Black Lives Matter

[dougrz]

Goodyear's promotion of BLM is the end of them for me. Bye.

[BasinCruiser]

When the supreme leaders aren’t even hiding when they make laws and rules for the rest of the population, while executing themselves from them, she’s protecting themselves while throwing their constituents to the wolves.... At what point do people wake up and realize this os the very definition of tyranny?

95252

https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-police-lightfoot-home-protests-20200820-s563zjj4uzc2rcbprrruzalwaq-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true&s=09


’Safety and protection for me. None for thee. ‘

[Iceaxe]

^^^I find myself using the word shitshow significantly more than I used to.

[oldno7]

https://i.postimg.cc/26dWsB6X/117840568-3516278441738336-2901861157470112863-o.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/aNFuN4o.jpg

[rockgremlin]

If black lives matter so much why did Michael Jackson spend a lifetime trying to Caucasianize his appearance?

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[Byron]

Y'now, I always thought he was trying to turn himself into Diana Ross.

[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_7yrwYAYw0

[devo_stevo]

Great video. He's not wrong. I'm sure he'll get a lot of crap for saying it though.

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/200_jpg-1553889.JPG

[oldno7]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/OrWYvODc.jpeg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/wSSxt73.jpg

[Byron]

The guy I've know for nearly 30 years who runs the paint store I buy from turned me onto these guys...Blue Collar Logic. Told me it was good stuff and I agree. Watch this one while you still can...what I have in common with this guy in particular is that we both live in mixed race neighborhoods and while most of the blacks (the older ones) seem pretty laid back, the younger ones have a bit of attitude that you can see from 30 feet away. Not all of them, but enough to where it's casting a sketchy feel to the area. It's uncomfortable and although I think I can see things coming pretty good, all this is totally up in the air. When it gets to the point that I can't walk up to the grocery store after dark then it's definitely time to leave.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5tNDF5Khv4&bpctr=1598315029

The word is that this guy had a knife and the cops were there for a domestic violence call. Dude got tased and it didn't even phase him...cops might have figured he had a weapon in the car...I haven't heard one way or another.

I think from now on, if cops roll into a neighborhood on a call and there's a whole bunch of black folks around, then they should just bail out of there...forget the domestic violence, forget the burglary, whatever...it's too bad that women, children and other innocent victims won't be rescued or crazy people locked up, but the violence and vandalism that occurs if things don't go "right" isn't worth the trade off. They want to be left alone?...then leave them alone.

Pretty soon they're going to start assassinating cops as soon as they pull up. I think they're going to work themselves up to a bloodlust...forget smashing windows and burning cars.

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxtDxAfjpg4

[devo_stevo]

How dare they try to stay in business after some thing happened on their property. So disrespectful.

[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ox545FxJoA

[oldno7]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/6GVHVAYF.jpeg

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Irony--I see irony, everywhere.


‘No police for you rioter!’ Extremists screaming ‘call the police’ after one is shot draws little sympathy
The phrase began trending after Black Lives Matter protesters screamed for assistance from police following the shootings (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/26/two-rioters-dead-after-armed-vigilantes-show-up-to-face-down-violent-extremists-in-wisconsin-964609), which many users found ironic given the BLM movement and its supporters are anti-police and want to defund departments.
In one video of a man who appears to have been shot in the head, someone is heard screaming, “Call the police!”

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/26/no-police-for-you-rioter-extremists-screaming-call-the-police-after-theyre-shot-draws-little-sympathy-964700

[oldno7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=227&v=ZlUcPJSxS1M&feature=emb_ logo

[rockgremlin]

^^^It's tragic that people have to senselessly die but what are innocent civilians supposed to do when an angry, bloodthirsty mob is destroying their property and chasing them in the streets?


Ironically, the first shooting victim repeatedly asked to be shot. Wish granted.

[oldno7]

^^^It's tragic that people have to senselessly die but what are innocent civilians supposed to do when an angry, bloodthirsty mob is destroying their property and chasing them in the streets?


Ironically, the first shooting victim repeatedly asked to be shot. Wish granted.

There are no winners in a situation like this.

I can't see it getting better.

[oldno7]

From last night

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/1d/81db6469-d86a-5cc5-8374-c954086299b5/5f467b92e176a.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C809

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[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=227&v=ZlUcPJSxS1M&feature=emb_ logo

Look at these fools destroying themselves...FOR WHAT? I have no mercy for any of them. They can all slaughter each other for all I care.

[Iceaxe]

There are no winners in a situation like this.

I can't see it getting better.
Oh trust me... there will be a winner in the end and it will not be BLM.

The stupid in this movement is mindboggling.

[rockgremlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=227&v=ZlUcPJSxS1M&feature=emb_ logo


Well....at least he still has a mask on. :facepalm1: Even after being shot in the head they refused to remove his face covering to allow him to breathe.


I can't understand what is going on in the minds of these rioters. Do they actually think that their actions will bend the system to their will? That somehow, after weeks of rioting and looting that the governor will relent and cave to their idiotic demands? Maybe issue a public announcement that as a result of all of the BLM violence the police will be defunded and disbanded?

Dream on.

[oldno7]

Well....at least he still has a mask on. :facepalm1: Even after being shot in the head they refused to remove his face covering to allow him to breathe.


I can't understand what is going on in the minds of these rioters. Do they actually think that their actions will bend the system to their will? That somehow, after weeks of rioting and looting that the governor will relent and cave to their idiotic demands? Maybe issue a public announcement that as a result of all of the BLM violence the police will be defunded and disbanded?

Dream on.

As witnessed in these videos, after shots ring out--the communist scream for police.

When the police are gone, it would make this an every 10 minute event.

What they think they want would lead to total destruction and all out war.

One side has been holding back as the realities of such war would destroy this country as we once knew it.

The other side wants this war to destroy peace and prosperity and American idealism.

After November 3rd, I see the gloves coming off.

[Byron]

I can't understand what is going on in the minds of these rioters. Do they actually think that their actions will bend the system to their will? That somehow, after weeks of rioting and looting that the governor will relent and cave to their idiotic demands? Maybe issue a public announcement that as a result of all of the BLM violence the police will be defunded and disbanded?

Dream on.I've said it before and I'll say it again...it's survival of the fittest. When we were cavemen, guys like this didn't make it...they got stomped by the mammoth for getting to damn close or did something stupid to get themselves cornered by a cave bear or sabertooth tiger or some other predator.

Heck, maybe it was like the Spartans...they could tell just by the way they looked out of the womb that they were rejects.

Now what I said may sound cruel, but ANYONE out in the streets in a situation like this where there is rage and gunplay is a fool that has shit for brains...period.

Any one of us may end up being in a "defend your castle and family" situation...but the thing to do is shoot from the windows and take head shots all the way, no screwing around. You don't go outside and argue with these freaks...they make moves on your pad, you start shooting. Looks like they'll scatter real good.

[Sombeech]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=227&v=ZlUcPJSxS1M&feature=emb_ logo


Beautiful. I hope this rings out as a loud warning. Look at how hard ass you can be until you attack a guy with a gun.

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[accadacca]

They shut the whole league down...
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[Byron]

Indeed...go to the 4 minute mark with the guy having his arm damn near blown off...friggin' gnarly. Maybe some of these meatheads that want to go out after dark will give it a second thought if they realize that doing so is like jumping into a rabid animal pit.

Probably not, though. Even as shots were ringing out there were plenty just standing around. When the gas station is about to blow up, the smart thing to do is run as fast as you can in the other direction...right? But there's always the cave bear meat just standing there waiting to see what happens.

[Sombeech]

Must carry a sharpie

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200826/aeade9960156d0c526271f20686bb2fb.jpg

[Byron]

They shut the whole league down...
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200826/a761140b22e65fd9391cb2b00a5eeb9d.jpgShut it all down. Football, too. Nobody cares anyway.

Stupid fools.

[Byron]

95311
Must carry a sharpie

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200826/aeade9960156d0c526271f20686bb2fb.jpg

Get the King Sized one at Home Depot, I use them to write on paint cans...

EDIT: Get the MAGNUM sized...far superior to the King size. See?...I'm already prepared! Bring on the BLM fist. You'll be able to see what ya did from a hundred feet away.

[oldno7]

so----would you be correct in saying he "dis armed" one assailant?

[rockgremlin]

They shut the whole league down...
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Couldn't give less of a shit....

I hope they cancel all sports for the rest of 2020. Maybe it will force people to actually pick up a book.

That dude that got shot in the head was a moron -- he kept taunting the guys carrying the guns: "Shoot me nigga! Shoot me nigga!" Dude, first of all, you're white. Just because you are marching for BLM doesn't give you the right to appropriate the "N" word. :facepalm1: Secondly, you're asking armed men to shoot you, and then you attack them. Can you be any stupider?

[oldno7]

this guy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734252874770677790/748210306991259708/image2.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177890/118607214_331571844876635_18243963994799-1564024.JPG

[Byron]

this guy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734252874770677790/748210306991259708/image2.jpg


Yeah...a real tough guy. Shows up to the party with a gun, a can of whatever it is on his backpack to blast someone in the face with and a pocket so full of something heavy (bullets? rocks?) that it's actually hanging out of his shorts.

Then he proceeds to lose the full function of his right arm for the REST OF HIS LIFE.

Yep...play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Iceaxe]

^^^I have zero sympathy^^^

[Sombeech]

The blessed memes

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[Sombeech]

If anybody is interested in a good analysis from all angles, the kid, yes kid, was clearly in self defense. He'll have to live with this the rest of his life.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=rdMTghlrFiw

[rockgremlin]

^^^OMG :lol8:


These are horrendous!

[Sombeech]

Holy shit this one LOL

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/6c97eedc5cadce40c766fb680a206918.jpg

[rockgremlin]

If anybody is interested in a good analysis from all angles, the kid, yes kid, was clearly in self defense. He'll have to live with this the rest of his life.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=rdMTghlrFiw


Yeah from the looks of it the kid was acting in self defense. He's 17 -- probably gonna be tried as an adult.

Now.....can you just imagine how the streets will erupt when this kid is only convicted of minor offenses? I can't see any way that he gets convicted of murder. :nono:

[Byron]

Holy shit this one LOL

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/6c97eedc5cadce40c766fb680a206918.jpg

Mr. "MissingBicep" wasn't trying to take his gun...he was actually going to kill that kid with that handgun he pulled. Tried to be sneaky and it failed big time...lucky he didn't get his face blown off instead.

I'll tell you what, that kid that did the shooting was tuned in to the max on adrenaline...sharp as a hawk. Did a great job, quite frankly.

Hopefully he'll beat the rap...although he shouldn't have been there in the first place (guarding the gas station) what occurred was clearly self defense. I would advise anyone with sense to stay well away from these rabid animals.

We've been wondering when we were going to start fighting back...here you have it. Hopefully this will plant a seed of doubt into the minds of the anarchist that aren't willing to die for the cause.

Total chaos...the cops seem to be hiding in their armored vehicles...and you know what? I don't blame them. Why risk getting shot or killed yourself in defense of these crazies?

Nuts, huh? Never seen anything like this...people roaming the streets with guns while the police are ordered to do nothing about it. It's the Great Bernie Bro/Pissed off Blacks/Covid Nervous Breakdown of 2020.

The triple whammy...class envy, racial rage and "burn it all down" all mixed together...the gutter dwellers of American society making a whole lot of noise.

[accadacca]

Real Salt Lake's home reopener with LAFC postponed after similar moves by NBA, WNBA https://www.ksl.com/article/50010849/real-salt-lakes-home-reopener-with-lafc-postponed-after-similar-moves-by-nba-wnba

[Iceaxe]

^^^Yawn... who gives a shit. Over paid crybabies. I hope they cut their own throats.

[oldno7]

so----would you be correct in saying he "dis armed" one assailant?

https://media.thedonald.win/post/9p7HmV9I.jpeg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/201_jpg-1564352.JPG

[dougrz]

Mr. "MissingBicep" wasn't trying to take his gun...he was actually going to kill that kid with that handgun he pulled.

Is there a video of this? What city? I've been utterly swamped with work and out of the loop for about 3 weeks.

[Iceaxe]

I've been utterly swamped with work and out of the loop for about 3 weeks.

By my calculations you've been out of the loop for about 3 months!

ROFLMAO

Damn... Sometimes I really crack myself up.

[dougrz]

By my calculations you've been out of the loop for about 3 months!To Dougie Downer let's add Dopey Doug.

It's not that I believe our message can't win, and this night of the conv no doubt is appealing, but it's that I believe the control of information flow by the left is so overwhelming.

Given a truly unbiased media, we'd win at Reagan levels, given D radicalism now.

[Byron]

Is there a video of this? What city? I've been utterly swamped with work and out of the loop for about 3 weeks.Spend a little time in this thread and you'll see it..it's all within the last two pages...he got his arm essentially blown off last night.

[oldno7]

They shut the whole league down...
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[Byron]

To Dougie Downer let's add Dopey Doug.

It's not that I believe our message can't win, and this night of the conv no doubt is appealing, but it's that I believe the control of information flow by the left is so overwhelming.
I disagree, Doug...I think any "momentum" the left may have gleamed from the Floyd bullshit, the Covid bullshit and whatever else is eroding quite quickly.

[Byron]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/9p7HmV9I.jpegFriggin' dumbass. They'll likely have to cut out a chunk of his ass and use it to patch up that hole. I've endured some juicy lacerations and had to get stitched up but that's straight up nasty. Man...that'll put your ass in shock.

And the irony of it? He and his two buddies that got killed were taunting the guy with the rifle. That'll learn ya...

[oldno7]

This is actual tv screenshot, I'm told


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473532/AF4C40F1-1C3C-46E6-8831-0949841B1C1F_jpe-1564507.JPG

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/npUWnKZ.jpg

[oldno7]

This is actual tv screenshot, I'm told


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473532/AF4C40F1-1C3C-46E6-8831-0949841B1C1F_jpe-1564507.JPG


https://media.giphy.com/media/Yl5aO3gdVfsQ0/giphy.gif

[devo_stevo]

This is actual tv screenshot, I'm told


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473532/AF4C40F1-1C3C-46E6-8831-0949841B1C1F_jpe-1564507.JPG
At 2:22 in Mark Dice's video from earlier today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKrraHPBBhw

[Sombeech]

This is actual tv screenshot, I'm told


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473532/AF4C40F1-1C3C-46E6-8831-0949841B1C1F_jpe-1564507.JPG

True, I thought it was a parody also but I just watched the video.


Is there a video of this? What city? I've been utterly swamped with work and out of the loop for about 3 weeks.
@dougrz (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=26963) honestly you're probably better off being out of the loop, living a more happy life. We could all use a break from the news cycle for a couple of weeks, this working from home stuff is tough for me to keep out of the news though.

But yes, I posted a decently analyzing video from multiple angles. It shows the first guy was shot after he chased the kid and threw a lit cocktail at him, continued to chase him and the kid shot when he got cornered.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=rdMTghlrFiw

The disarmed / armed victim was shot when he charged the kid as he was tripped on the ground, the kid showed him the rifle, victim stopped for a second, and continued diving on the kid. BOOM. The photo clearly shows him still clinging to his pistol, probably unable to let go as his arm has been disabled. Hard to argue it wasn't self defense, getting dove upon by a man with a gun, with a criminal record.

The skateboarder that was shot and killed is shown from multiple videos slamming the kid, while on the ground tripped up, with his skateboard.

In every one of these 3 shootings, the kid was unquestionably, completely justified in self defense.

Now the only debate they have left is, the kid traveled across state lines to help protect the property. But this is because the police had been given orders to stand down. Interestingly, the people pushing this narrative will conveniently exclude that ALL 3 of these victims have criminal records, and were SHIPPED IN to the city from outside. These were not Kenosha residents.

If Salt Lake City had riots, many of these same people would be paid and shipped in on those comfy tour buses. This uprising is not organic, it is planned, organized and paid for.

[Sombeech]

In fact, this image shows the arm guy on the left pausing, holding up his gun as a surrender, but a split second after this he charges again. It's on 3 different cameras.

No sympathy for this son of a bitch

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[Sombeech]

One more thing, after the kid, THE KID shoots the felon, he immediately calls 911 for a medic.

Then the gang starts chasing the kid, the kid trips and they rush him while on the ground.

The kid showed amazing composure, better than I probably would have.

And thanks to the dumb shit antifa jackasses filming 100 different videos of the same thing, it shows how innocent the kid is.

I'm just glad they have the decency to film horizontally for TV. They were trained to do this no doubt, to make it on TV.

[rockgremlin]

^^^How many 17-yr-old kids do you know of that could walk alone through the streets of a city under siege, and come out almost unscathed. Nerves of steel on that kid.

How can his actions not be justified when he was left with only two options: Shoot his attackers, or succumb to lethal mob violence.

The idiots on the left are continually claiming that he "murdered 2 peaceful protesters in cold blood." As if he opened fire into an unwitting crowd of peaceful citizens. :roll:

[Sombeech]

Oh and at the end of similar videos it shows the kid approaching the police and showing them where to go.

This kid is a hero.

[Sombeech]

This kid deserves an award, here he is cleaning graffiti earlier that day.
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[rockgremlin]

This kid deserves an award, here he is cleaning graffiti earlier that day.
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CNN's likely reaction:


I'm just appalled that he isn't wearing a mask! :eek2:

Here we are in the midst of a PANDEMIC, and he has the audacity to thumb his nose at accepted safe practices -- he's NOT EVEN OBSERVING THE 6 FOOT MINIMUM SAFE DISTANCE!!

Hello? This is outrageous!

[Sombeech]

By cleaning up BLM graffiti, he doesn't think black lives matter.

Good thing BLM and Antifa are mostly professional WHITE protesters shipped in from other states, and all 3 that were shot are white with criminal records.

What are the odds

[oldno7]

Lots of internet forums have a cadre of lawyers who participate for whatever reasons.
We have the illustrious Mr. Card.
This is an attorney from another site going over legalities of the Kanosha 17 year old shooter.



Rittenhouse prevailed in at least four physical encounters, at least one if not two of which involved contests for control of his weapon by larger, presumably stronger assailants. Rittenhouse's use of a tactical sling would seem to have been of enormous help in permitting him to retain control of his weapon in the physical contest with Huber.
To the extent Rittenhouse made tactical mistakes the most obvious would seem to include:
1. Entering an (Kenosha) environment alone and without apparent support. While Rittenhouse may have been casually associated with some of the groups on the ground it seems to be the case that his association was struck up on his arrival, not a pre-existing one.
2. Allowing himself to become physically isolated and surrounded at the scene of Engagement 1. It is not clear what precipitated the initial conflict with Short Bald Subject, but in this Rittenhouse appears to have been rather unlucky to become entangled in a dispute with one of the more volatile individuals on the scene. This said, it should be entirely foreseeable that volatile individuals would be at the scene of a riot or civil unrest.
3. Failing to remain as situationally aware as possible, particularly to threats behind him, and permitting himself to be repeatedly overtaken from the rear in between Engagements 1 and 2. Prior to going to the ground at the beginning of Engagement 2, Rittenhouse allowed no less than three attacks from the rear which resulted in physical contact. Rittenhouse was lucky that none of these attacks disabled him or rendered him helpless in the face of the pursuing mob. The first battery to the back of Rittenhouse's head, in particular, had the potential to take Rittenhouse out of the fight for good. If, in fact, Huber and Short Bald Subject were associated, it isn't hard to imagine Rittenhouse would have come out badly on the wrong side of Engagement 2 if Huber was the vengeful type.

Legal Analysis (Note: I am a lawyer but certainly not yours, and not in Wisconsin):
Possession of Firearms in Wisconsin and Illinois:

Wisconsin firearms law provides for open carry of loaded rifles and pistols for those 18 and older not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms. Unless Rittenhouse's age has been incorrectly reported he would be in violation of these statutes. Similar statutes exist in Illinois.
Further, in Wisconsin and Illinois, providing an underaged individual with a firearm is a felony. It seems safe to assume that Rittenhouse's enthusiasm for firearms was supported at least in some measure by his legal guardians. If they knowingly lent him use of the AR he carried in Kenosha they may face charges under these statutes.

Transportation of Firearms between Wisconsin and Illinois:

Federal law pre-empts the prosecution of illegal transportation via 18 U.S.C. §?926A which provides:
"Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console."
Any number of state statutes in Wisconsin or Illinois may govern the illegal importation or exportation of firearms where the "peaceable journey" exemption of 18 U.S.C. § 926A does not preempt. Rittenhouse is in jeopardy here if his age is reported correctly as he is not legally able to possess the AR platform he possessed in Kenosha in either Wisconsin or Illinois.

Self Defense:

In general, and Wisconsin is no exception, a "self-defence" defence to homicide (i.e. "justifiable homicide" or "excusable homicide") or the use of deadly or potentially force requires several elements. Those claiming self defence must:

1. Have the reasonable belief that...
2. ...they or another person...
3. ...are in imminent...
4. ...danger of death or great bodily harm, and...
5. ...that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent said harm.

Key elements of the defence to hone in on are:
Reasonability. It is not reasonable to claim that you feared for your life when your snotty eight year old cousin charged you with a Star Wars Lego Imperial Star Destroyer at Christmas dinner (even if the Turbo Lasers appeared to be charged because of the flickering of the dinner table candlelight in the translucent plastic).
Imminent. You cannot pop Jimbo next door in the head with your Barrett M82 because he is planning to poison you tomorrow. Well, technically you can, but your self-defence argument might be somewhat weakened by the non-immediacy of the threat (no matter how real the threat is and how deadly the poison).
Wisconsin incorporates these elements in its excusable homicide statute thus:
"A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself." (Wisconsin Updated Statutes 2019 § 939.48(1))
Further, many jurisdictions do not permit defendants to use self-defence as an argument if deadly force was used in a confrontation the defendant him or herself precipitated. Wisconsin is one such jurisdiction, terming the restriction "Provocation" providing:
"A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defence against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defence, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.
A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defence." (Wisconsin Updated Statutes 2019 § 939.48(2))

Use of Deadly Force By Rittenhouse

My own review of the Engagements suggests that it is difficult to argue that Rittenhouse was not of the reasonable belief that deadly force "was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself."

Engagement 1:
Reasonable belief...
In the initial encounter with Short Bald Subject, Rittenhouse can be seen turning at least once to face the pursuing Short Bald Subject after Short Bald Subject hurled an object at Rittenhouse. In that quick turn it is possible that Rittenhouse brought his rifle barrel to bear. Short Bald Subject seems to hesitate, but continues to come on just as strong thereafter, charging Rittenhouse at full tilt. I would be at pains to articulate an argument that Rittenhouse did not reasonably believe that force was necessary to avoid a physical confrontation.
..that he faced imminent...
You don't get a lot more imminent than an adult male charging you at full tilt, especially as close as Rittenhouse permitted Short Bald Subject to approach (1.0-1.5 meters from the look of it).
...danger of death or great bodily harm...
It is entirely reasonable, within the context of civil unrest, mob action, and a lack of any real police presence, to expect that a full on physical fight with a determined adversary will result in your great bodily harm. I would expect that Rittenhouse's own exposure to police cadet programs and training would make this reasonable belief by him easy to establish based on what he may have learned in such programs, but anyone watching the news or even vaguely aware of the propensity for mob violence in cities facing unrest (and Kenosha in particular) would be reasonable in fearing great bodily harm or death if they are jumped in that context. Ironically, Rittenhouse's own words in the prior video interview, that he was armed because he might have to go "into harm's way" is a good piece of evidence vis-a-vis his state of mind at the time.
...and, that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent said harm.
Again, Short Bald Subject was not stopping for anything. Given the video evidence of Short Bald Subject's disposition at the Ultimate station earlier, I suspect any third party will be able to safely infer that the prison-hardened Short Bald Subject did not intend to give Rittenhouse an over-the-knee spanking.

Effect of Provocation:

As I was unable to locate video or audio of the events immediately preceding Engagement 1, it is entirely possible that Rittenhouse somehow provoked Short Bald Subject within the meaning of § 939.48(2):
"A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defence against such attack..."
It is not impossible to argue that Rittenhouse's illegal possession of a firearm, and perhaps some "assault by pointing" behavior not visible on the available video might have "provoked others [Short Bald Subject] to attack him...." This "assault by pointing" trigger concept isn't a terrible theory given Short Bald Subject's dialogue at the Ultimate station, which seems to describe the origins of his animus:
"Don't point no mother****ing gun at me [homes.]?"
Even allowing this provocation argument, it would seem to be obviated by two caveats:
First the language that follows in the statute: "...except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defence, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant."
Given what we do see on video, Rittenhouse retreating, turning, retreating again with Short Bald Subject giving chase until Rittenhouse is cornered, the provocation argument would seem to be defused. More so by the next clause:
"The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant."
Whatever preceded the video we do have of Engagement 1, it seems obvious that Rittenhouse was withdrawing with every means available to him.

Engagement 2:

Reasonable belief...
In the video of the chase immediately before Engagement 2 Rittenhouse can be clearly seen looking behind him, obviously registering the number of pursuers he faced. If he had any doubts about their intentions the blow delivered to the rear of his head by White Shirt (a Misdemeanor Battery in Wisconsin) should have made them clear. When Rittenhouse fell to the ground and turned to face his attackers he had a view of at least a dozen individuals approaching him, including the four primary assailants.
..that he faced imminent...
While Red Backpack is deterred by the sight of the barrel of the rifle coming to bear and therefore receives no fire, in each of the cases where Rittenhouse used deadly force (Light Pants, Huber, Grosskreutz) Rittenhouse fires when contact is either imminent or already initiated.
...danger of death or great bodily harm...
An attempted drop kick to the head (White Pants), a skateboard-wielding assailant fighting for control of Rittenhouse's weapon (Huber), and a handgun carrying assailant that fakes surrender to try and gain tactical surprise (Grosskreutz). Nearby an individual with a blunt instrument held upward. A group of pursuers who had chased Rittenhouse two or three blocks already shouting out things like "Get his ass!" and who swarmed on him when he fell.
...and, that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent said harm.
Rittenhouse's attackers were undeterred by the presence of and then even the discharge of his weapon. Still two of them (Huber and Grosskreutz) attacked.

Legal Effect of Illegal Possession of Firearm on Rittenhouse's Self-Defense Arguments

A number of webytubeintermedia sources make much of Rittenhouse's apparent criminal conduct in bringing an illegally possessed weapon into Wisconsin and staying out past curfew. While criminal acts do have an effect on self-defence arguments in Wisconsin I do not believe they apply here. Specifically, Wisconsin statutes provide:
"A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defence against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defence, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant."
The only seeming effect of illegal action on the defence of excusable homicide is to strengthen the defendant's duty to retreat. Specifically until he or she: "reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant."
In this instance Rittenhouse's amazing restraint, while tactically dangerous, would seem to easily satisfy the additional exhaustion requirement that might be imposed by illegal activity by Rittenhouse.
In fact, among use of force cases I have had any detailed familiarity with, Rittenhouse's is one of the most clear cut in terms of "exhaustion" of alternatives short of the use of deadly force and restraint I have encountered.

Recap:

Lessons learned:

Do not enter a zone of civil unrest alone and/or without support. If you find yourself separated from a group return to it immediately. Rittenhouse was vulnerable to Bald Short Subject because he was alone and without any support at the Car Source garage.
Check your baffles. Check it again.
Even when you check your baffles, and check it again, expect you are missing something in your baffles.
Effective slings are essential elements of weapon retention in CQB and the correct setup is a huge equaliser even against melee encounters with larger adversaries. This is a lesson for me in particular. I have resisted sling systems in the past.
Don't rely on firearm discharges or pointing to deter opponents determined to close distance with you.
Not that you needed reminding, but rifle stopping power is far superior to handgun stopping power. All three subjects Rittenhouse scored clear hits on were out of the fight immediately. One (Grosskreutz) melted down even though he had ample means to continue the fight. Grosskreutz is only alive today because of Rittenhouse's amazing (perhaps even naive) restraint. I don't know of any tactical instructor that wouldn't counsel a follow-up shot to center mass on Grosskreutz immediately after the arm-strike.
If attacking an individual armed with a firearm do not flinch no matter what. If you commit to grappling with a rifle or pistol holder you have to see your attack through. Four larger, assailants, one armed with a blunt instrument (skateboard) and one with a handgun were unable to subdue a nearly prone Rittenhouse because they shied from the muzzle blast at key moments. Had Grosswreutz followed through with his initial charge after the fatal center mass hit on Huber, Rittenhouse would likely have been subdued.

[oldno7]

Was chris rock a prophet?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=169&v=lx12Rox91ww&feature=emb_ logo

[dougrz]

The poor kid has been charged with 1st degree. Sickening.

[oldno7]

Wisconsin DOJ Confirms Jacob Blake Was Armed When He Was ShotKenosha, WI – The Wisconsin Department of Justice confirmed Wednesday that Jacob Blake was armed with a knife when he was shot on Sunday.
“During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession,” a Wisconsin DOJ statement said (https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-releases/update-kenosha-officer-involved-shooting-0). “DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.”

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/wisconsin-doj-confirms-jacob-blake-was-armed-when-he-was-shot/

[BasinCruiser]

95313

[oldno7]

https://www.trumparea.com/_pics/why-the-riots-are-happening.jpg

[rockgremlin]

The poor kid has been charged with 1st degree. Sickening.


Gonna have a hard time making those charges stick.

It was either shoot, or succumb to lethal mob violence. No third option.

[Iceaxe]

NBA Players : IN SUPPORT OF BLM WE ARE BOYCOTTING. WE AREN'T PLAYING THE REST OF THE SEASON!!!!

Owners : We aren't going to pay you if you don't play

NBA Players : What time is shootaround coach?

[rockgremlin]

NBA Players : IN SUPPORT OF BLM WE ARE BOYCOTTING. WE AREN'T PLAYING THE REST OF THE SEASON!!!!

Owners : We aren't going to pay you if you don't play

NBA Players : What time is shootaround coach?

NBA players still can't seem to wrap their brains around the fact that professional sports is a form of slavery, where the league is the plantation, and the coaches are the masters.

Sure they're getting paid millions of dollars, but that doesn't change the fact that the league owns their asses, to be traded and bartered with just like real world slaves so long ago. Players are driven under the lash of public entertainment, and are shamed when they don't live up to the audiences' expectations.

[BruteForce]

These folks (BLM Utah) are planning on staging a protest in South Jordan. I think I might need to be there.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1043887769011237/?post_id=3714151491984838&__cft__[0]=AZWd-PCuw2ShXJrjRIM1afvEWbuQfSF8tHz8ZFwCMeIgLJaq4xc6Jlu lOv6NzqAeZtKWpt4TeGV_oZOcYDZANeKtEabhi5zRut42ih1LY aRYqXz_OTIoT4yaUomr-zgY3CTowVso5TZrtxfnH1ryD7fEz7UeL3IAJRsfkuoMul9k7zS CyviJ_QEQDIoDPf4CSCY2OQV_CqVmvoucylvMWSoH7gcxeYDjS jKFhBF71h5CB-IqlAl_wRrBxQByWyYY_Mo&__tn__=-UK-R

[Byron]

NBA players still can't seem to wrap their brains around the fact that professional sports is a form of slavery, where the league is the plantation, and the coaches are the masters.

Sure they're getting paid millions of dollars, but that doesn't change the fact that the league owns their asses, to be traded and bartered with just like real world slaves so long ago. Players are driven under the lash of public entertainment, and are shamed when they don't live up to the audiences' expectations.I think they are well aware of this. A couple of months ago at least one NBA player floated the proposition of blacks forming their own league...haven't heard anything since but you've got to wonder just how it would go when the black owners have to negotiate salary, etc...I reckon they'd become the "bad guys" real quick.

Funny thing about these guys..."F*ck you, America...we're not going to play. We're not going to give you the pleasure of watching us perform" They're going to literally take their balls and go home. Kinda goes hand in hand with the blacks looting and burning their OWN neighborhoods, eh? They don't realize that they're hurting no one but themselves. They don't realize that the fans will give them the finger right back. Ever been to a home game where your team go their ass kicked? People file out of the stadium/arena all pissy and mad...ready to fire the coach, the quarterback, the point guard, whatever.

A quote from the movie Gladiator..."The mob is fickle, brother. He'll be forgotten in a month". In the case of that movie, the hero prevailed...but these black athletes aren't held up as heroes so much as spoiled fools.

You know who they're screwing over? All the young up and coming black athletes that are eager to get their shot at the big time.

[Byron]

These folks (BLM Utah) are planning on staging a protest in South Jordan. I think I might need to be there.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1043887769011237/?post_id=3714151491984838&__cft__[0]=AZWd-PCuw2ShXJrjRIM1afvEWbuQfSF8tHz8ZFwCMeIgLJaq4xc6Jlu lOv6NzqAeZtKWpt4TeGV_oZOcYDZANeKtEabhi5zRut42ih1LY aRYqXz_OTIoT4yaUomr-zgY3CTowVso5TZrtxfnH1ryD7fEz7UeL3IAJRsfkuoMul9k7zS CyviJ_QEQDIoDPf4CSCY2OQV_CqVmvoucylvMWSoH7gcxeYDjS jKFhBF71h5CB-IqlAl_wRrBxQByWyYY_Mo&__tn__=-UK-RSorry to say it Brute...but I think the best thing to do is stay well away from these jerk-offs.

Read some of the posts on this page...these people are pathetic and miserable. I'd go down there only if it were legal to put them out of their misery...Y'know, like prairie dog poppin'?

[Byron]

Was chris rock a prophet?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=169&v=lx12Rox91ww&feature=emb_ logoIf I were the Prez, after my speech tonight I'd say "Alright all you black people that are concerned with the police, here's a little video clip for you and this is really all I have to say on the matter".

Seriously...I'd play this to the whole friggin' nation.

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32167/7A1CC360-14F0-42B9-854A-C3C948FCE9C8-1565515.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/savage_JPG-180.jpg

[rockgremlin]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32167/7A1CC360-14F0-42B9-854A-C3C948FCE9C8-1565515.jpg

Utter pathetic human being. Kyle did us all a favor when he dispatched that bald douchebag.

[oldno7]

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/08/CNN-hed.jpg?resize=580%2C433&ssl=1


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[Sombeech]

A quick draw

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200828/f079f7c4028a2e4f27ad13d756f23c00.jpg

[Byron]

A quick draw

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200828/f079f7c4028a2e4f27ad13d756f23c00.jpg

If you (or anybody, quite frankly) could invade their website and draw that...that would be magical.

[Byron]

At 2:22 in Mark Dice's video from earlier today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKrraHPBBhwSo right after Trumps speech (well, after the epic fireworks, actually) I tuned into MSNBC and then went over to CNN to observe the misery.

Oh yes...misery it was.

[Iceaxe]

Oh yes...misery it was.

I'm thinking they better get used to it... 4 more years.

[Byron]

I'm thinking they better get used to it... 4 more years.Yep...I think tonight pretty much sealed the deal.

Here's a thought...we all know that 8 years of Obama led straight to Trump. Perhaps the liberal tactic is to throw this election with the hope the same thing could happen to them? Seems like they're really not trying to win...but their sad sack media sycophants didn't get the memo.

The problem with that theory is what Trump brought to the table...he won because it was definitely appealing. What could the Dems present to us 4 years from now? That's the million dollar question...mainly because the great unknown is what is going to fill the vacuum of the great Democrat Party collapse that we're seeing now.

What will arise from the ashes and what appeal can it possibly have? The way things look it's hard to imagine that the party is going to make a beeline back to the center...which would be the only chance they have. Where can they go from here when it appears that their trajectory is predetermined?

The far left brings anger, violence and misery with it...they self cannibalize, it'll never win the day and it's far to easy to ridicule the dysfunction of it.

Obama was supposed to be the leader of an all powerful liberal force...and it turns out that it was all an illusion. How the worm has turned, eh?

[Sombeech]

If people start seeing this and they start drawing a dick on the logo, more people will share it, and it will embarrass the movement. The problem with starting out though, is they'll Dox you, publish your home address, family names, all that crap. So you've gotta make up a fake social media account, fake email address but verified, and start posting these memes on the pages.

But what you do is, act like you're extremely pissed off that some racist bastard disgraced the sacred logo, and how it's bullshit and somebody should pay for this. The outrage would gain a following, exposing the mockery to more people that aren't afraid to share it and laugh.

[devo_stevo]

If people start seeing this and they start drawing a dick on the logo, more people will share it, and it will embarrass the movement. The problem with starting out though, is they'll Dox you, publish your home address, family names, all that crap. So you've gotta make up a fake social media account, fake email address but verified, and start posting these memes on the pages.

But what you do is, act like you're extremely pissed off that some racist bastard disgraced the sacred logo, and how it's bullshit and somebody should pay for this. The outrage would gain a following, exposing the mockery to more people that aren't afraid to share it and laugh.
Sounds like you've got a plan. I say go for it. :)

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/460291/HURRICANE-LAURA-BLM_jpg-1565697.JPG

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66085/118472142_2835078446710052_3700988801159-1565732.JPG

[oldno7]

hillarious

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1299139195823370240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[oldno7]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/rX0o4BPR.jpeg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/213_jpg-1566235.JPG

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/221_jpg-1566245.JPG

[Sombeech]

OK let's get the police back then

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200828/48bd40a3af58f33baee070b64a5acba5.jpg

[Sombeech]

Oh Em Gee

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200828/ae9339c1b2d355eb8c0aa7e178db673e.jpg

[Sombeech]

OMG the memes for Kenosha are GOLD.

GOLD I TELL YA

[devo_stevo]

Oh Em Gee

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200828/ae9339c1b2d355eb8c0aa7e178db673e.jpg
lol

Just wait. This is going to be the next thing the left calls Trump out for. I know it's a meme, but so was the "white power" hand gesture. You know, the one that's always been "OK"

[oldno7]

lol

Just wait. This is going to be the next thing the left calls Trump out for. I know it's a meme, but so was the "white power" hand gesture. You know, the one that's always been "OK"

I gotta tell ya-----I think the country is sick and tired of the left, in all aspects.

What they "think" has become completely irrelevant.

[oldno7]

36 seconds of pure laughs

might have to click on a warning

https://twitter.com/SpiceEssential/status/1299016632405307392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[oldno7]

biden has the wrong shooting:roflol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=39&v=X-E1VGGkny0&feature=emb_logo

[Sombeech]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jrgcwkBYsywr4v3G7

[accadacca]

Jacob Blake’s Mom Blasts Rioters For Destroying Kenosha, Apologizes To Trump

https://www.dailywire.com/news/jacob-blakes-mom-blasts-rioters-for-destroying-kenosha-apologizes-to-trump

[dougrz]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200829/94ef00ecb00f5345ba9a6b68d1ce56e7.jpg

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200829/5592c4c2f609f2ddbe5fc963bda16118.jpg
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[Iceaxe]

Sounds about right...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200829/e6981a22e9d400e46f9cc6ec9655dba6.jpg

[Iceaxe]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200829/7cc99494eca663480776ef2d5ee771f4.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Change my mind...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200829/0b185aa9fd00ee75251fd1b808532d7f.jpg

[oldno7]

might get froggy in portlandistan, tonight


https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1299841292466176000

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/d6HmnNN.jpg

[Byron]

https://i.imgur.com/d6HmnNN.jpg


People have been talking about a coming "race war" for decades. This proves that it's on.

[BasinCruiser]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200830/e1261c38d28a404b53db15c634c73923.jpg

[Byron]

Change my mind...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200829/0b185aa9fd00ee75251fd1b808532d7f.jpg

My neighbor Kim calls them "Carpet Munchers"...she's one too, but she bailed out on the "lesbo hangout" lifestyle about 5 years back.

She and her girlfriend of 25 years did all that stuff...lesbo softball league, lesbo bars, lesbo girls night out, lesbo ski club, hikes and camping trips. They were deep into the culture and she told me that it's a vicious world...lots of promiscuity and girls stealing other girls...TONS of jealousy.

She also said that the butch dykes and the more feminine type don't easily mingle. They're like two separate groups. She said the ultimate insult is to have your girlfriend leave you for a dyke. I have a niece who's one of these...her Facebook posts are full of rage. Amongst all the "kids", she's clearly the most miserable.

[Byron]

might get froggy in portlandistan, tonight


https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1299841292466176000People are getting tired of it. Rittenhouse may be the spark that lit the fuse.

I've got mixed feelings on this...on one hand it might be best to avoid confrontation simply because good people (freedom lovers...y'know, us horrible racist bigots that value peace and stability) might end up getting hurt and or arrested themselves. They also may be walking into situations that could have lifelong effects that aren't very good. It's kinda not worth it in a way...let them riot and loot and burn up the downtown areas and the crappy neighborhoods...the politicians and people that live the are all for these assholes anyway.

Another part of me wants to see these people start taking out the anarchist that spoil for a fight...just like Rittenhouse the other night. "Oh, you wanna get shot? Got ya covered, asshole". Kinda of like provoking out the worst or the antifa and picking them off...get rid of the worst of them. Just like Rittenhouse did.

Perhaps it's better to bust their chops where they swarm rather than wait until they do something really stupid and try moving into the residential areas. I've already seen some video of that...a mob roaming a nice, quiet street shinning lights into windows and mocking the "rich white assholes" that live within. Those people are hiding in their houses hoping no one kicks in the door or sets it on fire.

I'd be at the window...all nice and dark. Poised like a sniper ready to take head shots. Perhaps some of those houses contained people who were doing just that?

But with this possible confrontation tonight, or just about any night...I'm not sure it's worth it to harm someone in "self defense" when you've gone to "their" turf. I wouldn't travel from my property to engage them.

[rockgremlin]

Mayor Wheeler's letter to Trump just blew up in his face.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/08/29/why-portlands-mayor-may-want-that-federal-law-enforcement-help-right-now-n2575293

[accadacca]

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[Byron]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200830/38f4e18e6fc6f890621ab22d95221e9d.jpgWell gee...that looks reasonable, doesn't it?

Personally, I wouldn't put myself in the middle of that circle for two reasons...one, ALL lives matter, period. However...these criminals that get themselves killed fighting the cops?...I say good riddance...it's like weeding the garden.

Secondly...police brutality? I've never experienced it and I'm not bothered that some POS that's selling meth to teenagers is bent because the cops are a hassle. They want to defund the police so they can carry on with their money making activities without penalty...letting he mafia culture that they worship rule the streets.

If that makes me a racist then I'll go along with that all day long. Their behavior is not persuading me to be an advocate...it's making me an opponent. Some may say that I'm giving the progressive media exactly what they want...but it's only their mindless, fanatical violent foot soldiers that I have a problem with.

[BasinCruiser]

Do you realize that more people are mad and upset over a 17 year old killed 2 people in self defense, than a crack heard shooting a 5 year old?

[BasinCruiser]

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[accadacca]

Well gee...that looks reasonable, doesn't it?

Personally, I wouldn't put myself in the middle of that circle for two reasons...one, ALL lives matter, period. However...these criminals that get themselves killed fighting the cops?...I say good riddance...it's like weeding the garden.

Secondly...police brutality? I've never experienced it and I'm not bothered that some POS that's selling meth to teenagers is bent because the cops are a hassle. They want to defund the police so they can carry on with their money making activities without penalty...letting he mafia culture that they worship rule the streets.

If that makes me a racist then I'll go along with that all day long. Their behavior is not persuading me to be an advocate...it's making me an opponent. Some may say that I'm giving the progressive media exactly what they want...but it's only their mindless, fanatical violent foot soldiers that I have a problem with.

So you don’t believe there are crooked cops?

[BasinCruiser]

I’d like to completely retract what I previously said about Drew Brees. He is a pathetic sell out scum bag for putting the name of this rapist on his helmet.

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[Byron]

So you don’t believe there are crooked cops?That's not what I said.

The only experiences I've had with police have been traffic violations. Speeding, mostly...and although I'm a great driver (never been in an accident, never been hit, either, never had an insurance claim aside from hail damage) going a bit over does happen and getting nailed for it happens, too.

I've been pulled over about a dozen times in my life. Half of them I had to pay a fine and the other half I got off with a warning. Only once did a cop do something "weird"...he pulled me over just to get a close look at my girlfriend. He was a creep. Otherwise I haven't had my ass kicked or been tasered or shot at...so "police brutality" is only something I've seen on TV...like the Rodney King beating.

However, he had that coming. George Floyd should have been strapped to a gurney and taken to a hospital to calm down, so the cops (IMO) dropped the ball on that one by treating him like just another stupid low life. That dude in Atlanta shouldn't have fought with the cops, and that also goes for this rapist POS in Kenosha.

Police brutality? Well...the "examples" I've been shown sure don't measure up to the meaning of the phase...but the media and especially the low life class of criminals will tell me over and over again how it's "systemic". Ever heard of the phrase "Show me don't tell me?"

You can swallow what they tell you all day long, which is your prerogative, of course. Me? I gotta see it to believe it.

Bad cops? Sure...my dad was a cop and so were both of my uncles. Two Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs and one US Marshall. When I started driving my dad told me that if I'm pulled over to open both windows (even if it's raining) and keep both of my hands on the steering wheel as the officer approaches...don't be "moving around". Sound advice, wouldn't you say? Especially since the odds of an officer getting killed go up 100% every time they pull someone over...imagine having that job, huh?

He also told me that nearly every police district is going to have a "short stick"...meaning the guy that's just waiting for some perp to give him a hard time so he can bust some chops. Kinda like some asshole at the gym that's jacked up on roids. So they wanna weed these guys out? Sometimes they're obvious, sometimes they're not.

But when the rubber hits the road I think men like that are a rare breed...maybe one cop out of a hundred has a bloodlust. I think "killer cops" are rare.

So it depends on what you mean by "crooked cops"? If you're talking about corruption, kickbacks, lazy behavior, indifference, getting BJs from hookers or stuff like that...then the number of them that engage in that kind of thing would certainly dwarf the true killers among them, IMO.

I sure hope your trolling, Scott.

[accadacca]

That's not what I said.

The only experiences I've had with police have been traffic violations. Speeding, mostly...and although I'm a great driver (never been in an accident, never been hit, either, never had an insurance claim aside from hail damage) going a bit over does happen and getting nailed for it happens, too.

I've been pulled over about a dozen times in my life. Half of them I had to pay a fine and the other half I got off with a warning. Only once did a cop do something "weird"...he pulled me over just to get a close look at my girlfriend. He was a creep. Otherwise I haven't had my ass kicked or been tasered or shot at...so "police brutality" is only something I've seen on TV...like the Rodney King beating.

However, he had that coming. George Floyd should have been strapped to a gurney and taken to a hospital to calm down, so the cops (IMO) dropped the ball on that one by treating him like just another stupid low life. That dude in Atlanta shouldn't have fought with the cops, and that also goes for this rapist POS in Kenosha.

Police brutality? Well...the "examples" I've been shown sure don't measure up to the meaning of the phase...but the media and especially the low life class of criminals will tell me over and over again how it's "systemic". Ever heard of the phrase "Show me don't tell me?"

You can swallow what they tell you all day long, which is your prerogative, of course. Me? I gotta see it to believe it.

Bad cops? Sure...my dad was a cop and so were both of my uncles. Two Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs and one US Marshall. When I started driving my dad told me that if I'm pulled over to open both windows (even if it's raining) and keep both of my hands on the steering wheel as the officer approaches...don't be "moving around". Sound advice, wouldn't you say? Especially since the odds of an officer getting killed go up 100% every time they pull someone over...imagine having that job, huh?

He also told me that nearly every police district is going to have a "short stick"...meaning the guy that's just waiting for some perp to give him a hard time so he can bust some chops. Kinda like some asshole at the gym that's jacked up on roids. So they wanna weed these guys out? Sometimes they're obvious, sometimes they're not.

But when the rubber hits the road I think men like that are a rare breed...maybe one cop out of a hundred has a bloodlust. I think "killer cops" are rare.

So it depends on what you mean by "crooked cops"? If you're talking about corruption, kickbacks, lazy behavior, indifference, getting BJs from hookers or stuff like that...then the number of them that engage in that kind of thing would certainly dwarf the true killers among them, IMO.

I sure hope your trolling, Scott.
I haven’t experienced police brutality either, but that doesn’t mean much. I agreed that most cops are good people, but it only takes 1 out of 100 to cause a major problem and I think that’s what we’ve experienced. Now everybody is on edge and micro-analyzing every shooting.

[Byron]

I haven’t experienced police brutality either, but that doesn’t mean much. I agreed that most cops are good people, but it only takes 1 out of 100 to cause a major problem and I think that’s what we’ve experienced. Now everybody is on edge and micro-analyzing every shooting.OK...who's doing the micro analyzing? Who's framing the shots and telling us what to think about it? Pick you side, huh?

Two ways for any individual to approach this IMO...get angry or don't get angry. I don't get angry because I don't buy the narrative that the progressive media in particular is trying to sell me...and that makes in a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a woman hater...all that, according to THEM.

And to them I give a firm middle finger. They say they want to talk, but they're not interested in listening at all. Personally, I leave friends and lovers in the dust for behaving like that...these people dictating to me from the TV screen have nothing to stand on in comparison. They're already approaching me from a weak position and they've got to provide one hell of a persuasive argument to sway me. They're not.

[BasinCruiser]

Creepy Joe just emerged from his basement, and noticed in his infinite wisdom that there is violence in - Portland? And he’s challenging Trump to condemn the violence there? WTH has this nut case been for 3 months? The left is praising him now for this, while at the same time condemning Trump for not acting self and fierce enough on the CCP Virus. Unbelievable.


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[rockgremlin]

Creepy Joe just emerged from his basement, and noticed in his infinite wisdom that there is violence in - Portland? And he’s challenging Trump to condemn the violence there? WTH has this nut case been for 3 months? The left is praising him now for this, while at the same time condemning Trump for not acting self and fierce enough on the CCP Virus. Unbelievable.


95326

Pure 100% grandstanding right there. Soooo.... he's been in politics for 47 years and somehow doesn't understand that Trump can't do anything until the governor of Oregon asks for and accepts his help? Trump has repeatedly proposed to send in the National Guard to help quell the situation but has so far been turned down.

I think this is the left switching tactics since they're slowly realizing that condoning the riots isn't working to their favor.

[Byron]

Pure 100% grandstanding right there. Soooo.... he's been in politics for 47 years and somehow doesn't understand that Trump can't do anything until the governor of Oregon asks for and accepts his help? Trump has repeatedly proposed to send in the National Guard to help quell the situation but has so far been turned down.

I think this is the left switching tactics since they're slowly realizing that condoning the riots isn't working to their favor.What really cracks me up is all these fools that think if he gets elected, the anarchist will all calm down and everything will just be groovy.

What they don't understand (or maybe they do?) is that the primary target of the anarchists isn't the Republicans or the gun toting, capitalistic, freedom loving patriots...no, my friends...the target is the Democrat Party. They've been at war with it since Bernie started getting noticed...AOC would like nothing more than to see the old guard Dems put out to pasture...and she may well get her wish. But then again, after the Dems get their asses creamed in the elections they may come to their senses and abandon the Bernie Bros altogether...or try to.

Biden has no influence on these people...like that gay guy that's the head (no pun intended) of the "Walk Away" movement...he says "You'll give them your vote and they won't do a damn thing for you".

The progressives, anarchist, socialists and marxists aren't going to get any political power by working their way up the conservative ladder...no, they need to take over the Dem party...then they'll be able to actually influence (and write) legislation. Biden and the so called moderates can't lick enough socialist ass to stop them.

They seem pretty threatening don't they? They've got these crazy politicians in these cities letting them run rampant...but it'll be interesting to see if they start to lay low once the election is over and the cold weather comes in. Perhaps most of them will tire of it? One thing is for sure, this can't be tolerated...it can't go on indefinitely. Even though I've been saying all along to let them swim in their own sewers, at some point someone is going to have to make the tough call.

But then again, those that want to go into these cities and kick some anarchists asses may just let it go once Trump wins. Just let them swim in their own little shitty pond...kinda like containment...as long as they don't start assassinating innocent civilians.

For the first three years of Trump everything was nice and chill...no big riots, everybody had a job that wanted one, pretty peaceful. Even the pussy parade gals mellowed out. Sure would be nice to go back to that, huh? But now it's crazy times. Everything is up in the air. No telling what's going to happen.

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

read in Forrest Gump voice

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[BasinCruiser]

Gutless, pathetic, sellout.

95328

[rockgremlin]

Gutless, pathetic, sellout.

95328


Yet another reason why I refuse to pay any more attention to professional sports. How can you give a pass to an organization that openly glorifies criminals?

If you're not upset at the politicization of professional sports then you're either spineless or willfully ignorant.

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Byron]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/Smwoli5K.jpegI'll be a thousand bucks right now that David has been pegged.

[Byron]

Gutless, pathetic, sellout.

95328Yeah, this is a weird one. He came out in favor of standing for the flag and within 48 hrs he was on his knees polishing the black knob. I think his wife came out with a tweet saying that someone had "straightened them out" or "opened their eyes"...something like that.

For all you guys that ride bikes, I'm sure you're familiar with the disease called "Dickitus"...where all the guys working in a bike shop are just...dicks. Shitty, conceding attitude...they give off the vibe that they're miserable and would rather be somewhere else. Anywhere else, it seems. We've all experienced a place like this.

Of course it's not ALL bike shops...but where it exists it seems to me that all it takes is one guy to infect the whole place. Perhaps that's what happened to Mr. Brees...perhaps that's what's happening to all these sports teams...a few guys are so disruptive to the team camaraderie that a literal "Jedi mind trick" is inflicted on the others. "Go along to get along".

Seems like Brees got it real good, though. It may be that as strong and healthy as he is, he may be (and likely always has been) a mental pussy.

[rockgremlin]

Drew's real feelings came out on day one when he expressed support for the flag and the country.

But I think Drew was just railroaded into eating those words and he's too spineless to fight back -- especially if the team owner pulled him aside one day and firmly told him to stand down.

Drew is one of the most religious and God-fearing players in the NFL - I can't see him voluntarily endorsing a criminal.

[oldno7]

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[Scott Card]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/374309/Pro_Sports_jpg-1571070.JPG

There is a whole lot of truth to this sentiment. Everyone needs to take a step back from their dug-in positions and evaluate ALL of the facts prior to tweeting, posting, picking up a weapon and marching....etc. There is great wisdom (and admittedly frustration) in the legal system being sooooo slow to justice. It is called ferreting out facts from emotion, politics, etc. Again, the system works really well if it is run by the right people even if there are bad cops. Why? Good prosecutors and good judges will apply the law without regard to politics and social opinions.

As an aside, prosecutors need to prosecute bad people, which includes bad cops. If you think about it, cops and prosecutors are on the same side of the justice isle. Frankly, I blame bad prosecutors for failing to prosecute bad cops and I blame bad prosecutors for failing to charge bad people because it doesn't fit a particular political agenda. Justice must, I emphasize MUST be blind and the law has to be supreme over any political persuasion, policy, social knee-jerk popular opinion, etc.

[Iceaxe]

It's always a good day when the left begins to eat their own....

Progressives demand Portland’s mayor, police chief resign after fatal shooting

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/progressives-demand-portlands-mayor-police-chief-resign-after-fatal-shooting

[accadacca]

There is a whole lot of truth to this sentiment. Everyone needs to take a step back from their dug-in positions and evaluate ALL of the facts prior to tweeting, posting, picking up a weapon and marching....etc. There is great wisdom (and admittedly frustration) in the legal system being sooooo slow to justice. It is called ferreting out facts from emotion, politics, etc. Again, the system works really well if it is run by the right people even if there are bad cops. Why? Good prosecutors and good judges will apply the law without regard to politics and social opinions.

As an aside, prosecutors need to prosecute bad people, which includes bad cops. If you think about it, cops and prosecutors are on the same side of the justice isle. Frankly, I blame bad prosecutors for failing to prosecute bad cops and I blame bad prosecutors for failing to charge bad people because it doesn't fit a particular political agenda. Justice must, I emphasize MUST be blind and the law has to be supreme over any political persuasion, policy, social knee-jerk popular opinion, etc.

Well stated.

[oldno7]

Barack Obama Advised LeBron James, NBA Players on Playoff Boycott
Ex-President Barack Obama involved himself in the deliberations of the NBA players who led last week’s boycott over the Jacob Blake shooting, according to reports.
Obama presided over the conference call when a group of players, including LeBron James and Oklahoma Thunder player Chris Paul, hashed out their demands and statements ahead of last Wednesday’s walkouts.

The boycott ended (https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2020/08/27/nba-players-decide-to-continue-season-pursue-other-social-justice-initiatives/) after a single day once the wealthier players had it pointed out to them that younger players would be put in a financial bind if a boycott lasted too long.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2020/08/31/barack-obama-advised-lebron-james-nba-players-on-playoff-boycott/

[devo_stevo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQlnihfxhU

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Sounds like they tried to peacefully roast him like a marshmallow.
And who doesn't like a nice, peaceful campfire?
Wonder if he called the police:ne_nau:


Rioters Loot Stores, Set Fires at Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler’s Condo


Rioters marched on the home of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler overnight Monday into Tuesday, looting nearby stores and setting furniture on fire in the street. At one point, they reportedly set fires inside the condominium building itself.

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/09/01/rioters-loot-stores-set-fires-at-portland-mayor-ted-wheelers-condo/

[Byron]

Sounds like they tried to peacefully roast him like a marshmallow.
And who doesn't like a nice, peaceful campfire?
Wonder if he called the police:ne_nau:


Rioters Loot Stores, Set Fires at Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler’s Condo


Rioters marched on the home of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler overnight Monday into Tuesday, looting nearby stores and setting furniture on fire in the street. At one point, they reportedly set fires inside the condominium building itself.

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/09/01/rioters-loot-stores-set-fires-at-portland-mayor-ted-wheelers-condo/Like I've said...these people attack statues because they can't defend themselves. They riot downtown because there's plenty of places to run and hide. They thrive on weakness. They're bullies, when it comes down to it. Stand up to them and they scatter.

It's not the conservatives that they're after...it's the liberals and progressives that let them roam freely that they'll attack. They'd slit the throats of the very politicians that covet their votes. Most of them are just out of control punks, but he smart ones know that if they can replace the Dem politicians, then they'd have some real power. They can write legislation.

After Trump gets reelected, I think we're going to see an epic power struggle/civil war in the Democrat Party...although it's likely that the Democrat power broker oligarchs will buy them off...they've been raking in tens of millions and it doesn't look like they're spending much of it. They're going to need that money to grease some palms.

[rockgremlin]

Sounds like they tried to peacefully roast him like a marshmallow.
And who doesn't like a nice, peaceful campfire?
Wonder if he called the police:ne_nau:


Rioters Loot Stores, Set Fires at Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler’s Condo


Rioters marched on the home of Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler overnight Monday into Tuesday, looting nearby stores and setting furniture on fire in the street. At one point, they reportedly set fires inside the condominium building itself.

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/09/01/rioters-loot-stores-set-fires-at-portland-mayor-ted-wheelers-condo/


Never, NEVER make friends with an angry mob. I wonder if Mayor Wheeler is looking back fondly at his participation in the riots back in June? Are the very people he rubbed shoulders with back then the same hooligans that are now trying to burn his condo to the ground?

Hey Portland -- had enough yet?

This no longer has anything to do with BLM or Trump. This is an angry Marxist junior-militia that you are enabling. Wake up.

[Iceaxe]

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[Byron]

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Allegory_of_the_cave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave)

I took a lightweight Philosophy class at a community college back in the mid 80s and I remember the teacher using this as an analogy for entire populations going along with dictators in third world countries.

Rock has floated the idea that perhaps the mayor of Portland will "wake up" now that he's being attacked...but I don't think so. That dude is deep in the cave. Same thing with these progressive pundits...they're perfectly happy to deny reality because they create their own and truly believe it.

[rockgremlin]

That dude is deep in the cave. Same thing with these progressive pundits...they're perfectly happy to deny reality because they create their own and truly believe it.


I believe this is also called "delusion".

Wheeler's got a problem: Continue staring at that cave wall in front of him and risk losing his career, status in the community, and possibly his life, or walk out of the cave and save himself.

But I think you're right -- he's so invested in saving face that he'd rather sacrifice his career than renege and admit he was wrong. It's OK -- his saving grace will be that it's all Trump's fault. Blame it on Trump as opposed to making any effort at all to improve -- even for the sake of his constituency. It's Page 1 of the Democrat playbook -- blame someone else -- and it's going to get them 4 more years of Trump.

[Scott Card]

Allegory_of_the_cave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave)

I took a lightweight Philosophy class at a community college back in the mid 80s and I remember the teacher using this as an analogy for entire populations going along with dictators in third world countries.



I believe that this allegory should be required reading and discussion for every high school kid. Maybe spend a two weeks or so on this concept. Teaching kids how to think, reason, be tolerant of arguments and figure out how to formulate opinions. This would also take some extraordinary teachers to be able to teach this, too. This is one of the things I still remember from my philosophy days at BYU. The only problem with the allegory is that when taught, everyone thinks they are the enlightened ones and they quit thinking again. Very few people are willing to intellectually open their minds and consider all sides of an argument. And in today's world, where many receive all the truth they ever need in 140 characters or less, it will be even more difficult to drag people out of the cave and really enlighten them. It is a painful process that takes more effort than most people are willing to make.

[Iceaxe]

Rock has floated the idea that perhaps the mayor of Portland will "wake up" now that he's being attacked...but I don't think so.

Guys like the Portland Mayor will spend the next two years trying to show how woke he is by sucking tons of black cock... anything to be allowed back into the tribe.

[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ7ioHTBTBU

[Byron]

Guys like the Portland Mayor will spend the next two years trying to show how woke he is by sucking tons of black cock... anything to be allowed back into the tribe.Yeah...birds of a feather flock together.

Another angle on this is "take the money and run"...he'll serve out his term and ride off into the sunset with his pension and benefits package. If he's going to take any of it personally that his comrades have a target on his back, then at least he can console himself with that.

They leave a terrible mess and have absolutely no concern...they actually hit the mini lottery.

[Byron]

I believe this is also called "delusion".

It's Page 1 of the Democrat playbook -- blame someone else -- and it's going to get them 4 more years of Trump.Indeed...their behavior seems to go even beyond irrational. I think what we're seeing is seriously heavy and deep psychological stuff...they were broadsided in Nov. of '16 and haven't recovered...instead it's been a delusional nosedive. Like those liberal girls that write SLUT in black marker on their bellies although they're "protesting" sexual harassment?

I'm truly an open minded guy (at least I think I am) and I tell them "OK, persuade me"...but they fail miserably over and over again. Wishful thinking, dreams and fantasy are fun, but you've got to have a line that separates them from reality. You can cross that line and enjoy these things where it's possible, but blending them with reality as a matter of course is ignorant, childish and foolish at the same time.

The "blend world" is mostly what I hear progressives advocating for and they lack limiting principals...Unicorns farting rainbows is actually an excellent analogy.

[Iceaxe]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Sombeech]

Here's where they house the paid protestors, professionals that are shipped to different places like Kenosha and other hot spots.

These riots are not spontaneous. They are planned, paid for, organized.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CErnoZLp2u2/?igshid=8rnfxu3uydib

Edit, found it on YouTube


http://youtu.be/UE_3LDvWcbY

[Iceaxe]

^^^George Soros pays for a lot of the unrest and riots on the far left. I've never figured out why the Feds don't go after him.

[Iceaxe]

Looks like it’ll be six more weeks of peaceful riots y’all.


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[dougrz]

Could indeed cause some Portland reprisal riots.

We're spiraling further into the abyss. A Trump win would see massive nationwide chaos and open street fighting, imo.

[Byron]

Could indeed cause some Portland reprisal riots.

We're spiraling further into the abyss. A Trump win would see massive nationwide chaos and open street fighting, imo.Oh yeah? Amongst who? Those that'll be happy that Trump won aren't going to bother screwing with these knuckleheads...they'll all be at home in a great mood. Why bother paying a visit to the sewer?

If they act up, then these liberal mayors will have to deal with it...or not. I think by then a lot of them (not all, of course) will realize letting these people go apeshit is not in their best interest and will let the cops do their jobs.

I reckon when Trump wins he'll roll the Nat. Guard into these places whether the libs like it or not...the lawyers will find a way around it. Although I've said "Let them show us what they're all about"...at some point these punks need to be bitch slapped. Everybody got a good look at what these people are all about. That's enough.

[oldno7]

Oh yeah? Amongst who? Those that'll be happy that Trump won aren't going to bother screwing with these knuckleheads...they'll all be at home in a great mood. Why bother paying a visit to the sewer?

If they act up, then these liberal mayors will have to deal with it...or not. I think by then a lot of them (not all, of course) will realize letting these people go apeshit is not in their best interest and will let the cops do their jobs.

I reckon when Trump wins he'll roll the Nat. Guard into these places whether the libs like it or not...the lawyers will find a way around it. Although I've said "Let them show us what they're all about"...at some point these punks need to be bitch slapped. Everybody got a good look at what these people are all about. That's enough.

I think what you both said is true.
But one happens before the other.

[dougrz]

Oh yeah? Amongst who? Those that'll be happy that Trump won aren't going to bother screwing with these knuckleheads...they'll all be at home in a great mood. Why bother paying a visit to the sewer?

Recall in '16 the large scale marches in cities after he won. That x10 plus burning and looting. His win would be the final proof of the irredeemable racism and evil of this country and white people, in their minds.

And yes we'll be home hunkered down with weapons and supplies, no argument there.

[Byron]

Recall in '16 the large scale marches in cities after he won. That x10 plus burning and looting. His win would be the final proof of the irredeemable racism and evil of this country and white people, in their minds.

And yes we'll be home hunkered down with weapons and supplies, no argument there.Yeah...women dressed up as pussies. Y'know the perplexing thing about that? They put on these vagina costumes to protest "sexual harassment" and abuse yet what they're wearing is exactly what the "creeps" are after. If they were smart, they'd adorn the labia with smegma, warts and open sores. Don't turn them on, turn them off you dummies.

Nobody's going to be shocked by a Trump win. While the homeless meth addicts will likely act up, those with normal lives are going to be completely deflated. That's it...it's over. Live with it.

[oldno7]

:roflol::roflol::roflol:


The Democratic mayor of Portland, Ore., is moving from his $840,000 condo to avoid rioters who have repeatedly targeted the building, according to a report.
Ted Wheeler wrote to neighbors in his building to say it would be “best for me and for everyone else’s safety and peace” for him to move from the building that rioters tried to torch on his 58th birthday Monday, according to The Oregonian.
“I want to express my sincere apologies for the damage to our home and the fear that you are experiencing due to my position,” Wheeler reportedly wrote, according to a screenshot of the email.
“It’s unfair to all of you who have no role in politics or in my administration.”
The mayor bought his two-bedroom condo in the building with 114 units for $840,000 in 2017, the paper said, citing property records. It has regularly been a scene of protests, with fireworks lit and lights shone on the building as fires also get lit in the street.

https://www.lifezette.com/2020/09/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-tucks-tail-flees-city-after-rioters-try-to-torch-his-840000-condo/?utm_source=activeengage&utm_medium=email



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[rockgremlin]

The Democratic mayor of Portland, Ore., is moving from his $840,000 condo to avoid rioters who have repeatedly targeted the building, according to a report.
Ted Wheeler wrote to neighbors in his building to say it would be “best for me and for everyone else’s safety and peace” for him to move from the building that rioters tried to torch on his 58th birthday Monday, according to The Oregonian.
“I want to express my sincere apologies for the damage to our home and the fear that you are experiencing due to my position,” Wheeler reportedly wrote, according to a screenshot of the email.
“It’s unfair to all of you who have no role in politics or in my administration.”


It's Trump's fault. It's allllll Trump's fault. :roflol:

[dougrz]

Yeah...women dressed up as pussies.

I don't disagree about the ridiculousness of their thinking. But do we disagree about their sincerity? I truly believe, honest to God, the other side wants this country ended. Flag changed, anthem gone, history erased, monetarily looted, free markets ended, and people like us impoverished or imprisoned. They are serious. And will react accordingly if they lose this year.

[rockgremlin]

I truly believe, honest to God, the other side wants this country ended. Flag changed, anthem gone, history erased, monetarily looted, free markets ended,


Well, then what? Where does society go from there? You're describing complete anarchy, the rapid descent from "first world" to "third world" status in a matter of months or a few short years. That's the very opposite of progress. This strategy doesn't benefit anybody -- even those that are pushing for it. How is driving our society back to the stone age going to benefit anybody?


Are you describing the Anitifa and BLM rioters or all Democrats in general? That matters. If we spiraled down into a third world society where would Nancy Pelosi go to get her hair done? What would Obama do with his mansion in Martha's Vineyard?

[oldno7]

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[Byron]

It took a while, but I finally figured Doug out...especially with the latest doom and gloom prediction.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

[windminstrel]

It took a while, but I finally figured Doug out...especially with the latest doom and gloom prediction.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

Modern day catastrophists...

http://youtu.be/t6CbvxBdFko

[Byron]

That's an awesome song. Hard to believe it's more than 25 years old...some things never change.

[Byron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPFx3s9f0HA

[double moo]

Not sure if this belongs here or Bitches be Crazy...

https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/03/cancel-myself-george-washington-university-professor-apologizes-pretending-black-jessica-krug/

[Iceaxe]

^^^Bitchez be crazy....

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[rockgremlin]

Not sure if this belongs here or Bitches be Crazy...

https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/03/cancel-myself-george-washington-university-professor-apologizes-pretending-black-jessica-krug/

In an age where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions it's refreshing to see stories like this.

Even though she's crazy, I give her full marks for taking accountability for her previously bad behavior.

[BasinCruiser]

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[Sombeech]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEyypYYgIbU/?igshid=1lreqihmrx3fr

[Byron]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEyypYYgIbU/?igshid=1lreqihmrx3frThe best thing about this is the cops standing there watching the bonehead burn. They all probably laughed.

Ever burn a pair of beat up old shoes in a campfire? They burn up real good...like they're made out of oil or something.

[double moo]

In an age where nobody takes responsibility for their own actions it's refreshing to see stories like this.

Even though she's crazy, I give her full marks for taking accountability for her previously bad behavior.

Or.... she just went to exteme lengths to get out of teaching due to Covid...

[Iceaxe]

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[Scott Card]

I believe this is how you start a game. :2thumbs: Go Cougars!!!

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

Bubba Wallace has lost his NASCAR ride for next year... so how did the whole BLM, moose in the garage, race baiting enterprise work out for him?

https://speedsport.com/nascar/nascar-cup-series/wallace-confirms-departure-from-rpm/

[oldno7]

Arson is the newest social justice tool.
Already killed a little boy and his grandmother in these fires.



BLM activist livestreams his own arrest after allegedly setting fire in Washington StateA BLM activist and alleged arsonist charged for reckless burning in the second degree had reported a fire set in Washington and then filmed his subsequent arrest.
Jeffrey Acord, 36 of Pallyup, called 911 Wednesday evening to report a fire in the median of Highway 167 near Tacoma, Washington. After dialing dispatch services, Acord then livestreamed (https://www.facebook.com/demologik/videos/10159917885382289/) the incident to his Facebook page, providing constant narration.

https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-activist-charged-for-fire-set-in-washington

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Sources: Series of wildfires on the West Coast may be “coordinated and planned” attack
WEST COAST – A series of wildfires in Washington, Oregon, and California are now being considered arson – and sources tell Law Enforcement Today that they may be part of a “coordinated attack”. Law enforcement throughout the west coast is reportedly being put on alert to look out for “opportunists” and those who may have more sinister motives.
A number of arsonists are already in jail, and there a few on the run, we’re told.
Federal law enforcement sources also tell Law Enforcement Today. that some of the people who started the fires may be connected in some way.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/sources-series-of-wildfires-may-be-coordinated-and-planned-attack/

[oldno7]

Related?


UPDATE: 14 confirmed arson hot spots in Manti-La Sal National Forest

Eleven fires were started along Skyline Drive between South Tent Mountain and Potter’s Canyon. Firefighters have been able to contain all the fires before the predicted red flag weather arrived in the fire area, a press release stated.


Four of the fires had minimal potential, meaning they did not spread past the initial starting point. Five of the fires had slightly more potential but were contained after burning approximately one-tenth of an acre. Two of the fires had moderate potential because of spotting and rollout but were contained after burning approximately one quarter to half an acre, the release stated.
Crews will be working the fires the remainder of Monday and Tuesday. The public is asked to avoid that area for safety. This investigation is ongoing.
If you have any information, please contact the U.S. Forest Service at 775-355-5337.

https://kutv.com/news/local/suspected-arson-on-the-manti-la-sal-national-forest


Eleven fires were started along Skyline Drive between South Tent Mountain and Potter’s Canyon. Firefighters have been able to contain all the fires before the predicted red flag weather arrived in the fire area, a press release stated.


Four of the fires had minimal potential, meaning they did not spread past the initial starting point. Five of the fires had slightly more potential but were contained after burning approximately one-tenth of an acre. Two of the fires had moderate potential because of spotting and rollout but were contained after burning approximately one quarter to half an acre, the release stated.
Crews will be working the fires the remainder of Monday and Tuesday. The public is asked to avoid that area for safety. This investigation is ongoing.
If you have any information, please contact the U.S. Forest Service at 775-355-5337.

[Byron]

Throughout history soldiers have lost their minds during battle and gone on a "bloodlust"...they turn into ravenous butchers and slaughter innocents. It occurs mostly when commanders lose control over their troops but it has also happened by the command of the leaders. Genocides have not been committed by small numbers of people...so it just goes to show that when a group goes on a tear, they can really tear things up good.

These people that are starting these fires have lost their minds...like ravenous soldiers under the command of no one. They have no regard for other humans, the environment, the animals. They're taking "Burn it all down" quite literally. These people are enemies of us all, regardless of politics.

These people need to be stopped...because the more they're able to get away with, the more they'll want. When burning down the forests isn't enough, they'll likely start building bombs and blowing up grocery stores at random. They're not targeting the government, they're targeting everybody.

[dougrz]

They're not targeting the government, they're targeting everybody.

Indeed. Trump supporters need to be punished, that's a given. White people need to be punished. Americans need to be punished.

We're in a civil war, getting hotter by the day, and it'll explode full force if Trump wins.

[Byron]

Indeed. Trump supporters need to be punished, that's a given. White people need to be punished. Americans need to be punished.

We're in a civil war, getting hotter by the day, and it'll explode full force if Trump wins.I'm talking about the black clad anarchists...and they hardly represent millions of people that oppose Trump. A vast majority of them wouldn't hurt anybody or anything.

I've completely changed my opinion regarding the power of this BLM thing after watching the opening "ceremony" for NFL last night. It's weak sauce...the loudmouths are getting a few bones tossed to them. That's it. A lot of these guys are just putting on a childish "pout show".

Only one player on the Chiefs took a knee while all the others stood. A handful of those guys faced the flag with a hand over their hearts. The Texans stayed in the locker room...which tells me that the guys demanding to stand weren't going to be seen in a bad light. Either we all stand or we don't go out at all.

So the disrespect for the flag and the anthem was virtually nonexistent, IMO...especially compared to what it was "supposed" to be. I didn't see the names of these thugs that have been recently killed on any jerseys, shoes or shirts either. Like I said, a lot of talk, not a lot of walk.

To me, it was all very telling....it's all just a bunch of hype. I don't see this "civil war" so much as a black vs. white thing now...it's America (black, white, everybody) vs. these socialist/anarchist/Bernie losers and mentally ill.

[Sombeech]

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What happens when your Shithole state is denied a bail out of billions?

How else can you get huge wads of cash sent your way?

Fires.

Slowly, maybe over the next few years, more people will see that a lot of these fires in California were man made for the primary goal of getting money to the state.

The way that water was rerouted, the intentional decline of managing these forests leaving a floor of fuel for the fire, aerial photos showing strange patterns in the fire, especially near populated areas and NOT starting in the middle of nowhere.

Slowly, people will see. But for now, it's all a crazy conspiracy theory. Until the annual record of wildfires is more closely studied, showing a strange rise coordinating with the cutting of funds.... do people really think these fires are caused by Global Warming?

[Iceaxe]

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[oldno7]

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[rockgremlin]

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I think it's so funny he's wearing a "Paramedic" hat. It's even funnier that after he was shot he was running through the streets screaming for a medic. Dude, you've been watching too many war movies. :lol8:

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Bubba Wallace: "There's a noose in my garage!"

FBI: "We'll scramble 15 agents to investigate today!"

Tom Fitton: "The Mueller team destroyed 31 work phones to hide their tracks in 2018!"

FBI: "Sorry, we're busy at an Intersectionality training class."
— Emerald Robinson ?? (@EmeraldRobinson) September 12, 2020 (https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1304825473290194948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

[oldno7]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[Byron]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/VJNTnaMf.pngThis bonehead probably has an IQ hovering around 60...so it's hardly the end of the world.

[oldno7]

This bonehead probably has an IQ hovering around 60...so it's hardly the end of the world.

Does the "end" have to start somewhere or is it just suddenly the "end"?

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

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[Byron]

Does the "end" have to start somewhere or is it just suddenly the "end"?I get your point...I'd say it isn't the end unless the meek truly inherit the earth...because they're not going to know what the hell to do with it.

[rockgremlin]

https://i.imgur.com/Yif3ioD.jpg

^^^This is beautiful. The cartoonist nailed it.

[BasinCruiser]

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I don't understand what the panic is all about with the fires. 93% of forests in the USA are NOT burning down. So, what's the big deal?

[oldno7]

I get your point...I'd say it isn't the end unless the meek truly inherit the earth...because they're not going to know what the hell to do with it.

Incrementalism

Where does it start?

What is the intended "end" result?

Is this the "new normal"?

If we accept this low IQ behavior, aren't we accepting the "new norm"?