Impeachment

[dougrz]

I keep seeing this urban legend/conspiracy theory floating around that “if Trump is impeached in the house & not senate, he can run 2 more times. The U.S. Constitution states that if a president is impeached by the House but not convicted by the Senate, that person's first term is nullified and they are eligible to run for office two more times.”

Where are people getting this from? Why do they think this? If this were true, why didn’t slick willey take a third run?There's nothing is the Constitution about that. Completely untrue.

[Iceaxe]

And in other games... the Swamp Princes is now threatening to not send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate because they will not get a fair hearing... you just couldn't make this stuff up. No one has any idea what would happen if Pelosi just sits on the Articles as it's never happened before. When Slick Willy was impeached the Articles were sent to the Senate 10 minutes after the vote.

Pelosi withholding articles of impeachment from Senate would be 'grave injustice'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-impeachment-constitution-senate-pelosi-trump

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[rockgremlin]

And in other games... the Swamp Princes is now threatening to not send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate because they will not get a fair hearing... you just couldn't make this stuff up. No one has any idea what would happen if Pelosi just sits on the Articles as it's never happened before. When Slick Willy was impeached the Articles were sent to the Senate 10 minutes after the vote.

Pelosi withholding articles of impeachment from Senate would be 'grave injustice'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-impeachment-constitution-senate-pelosi-trump

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Well if the articles don't move on to the Senate then what's the point of voting for impeachment at all? Either way Trump remains in office.

I wonder if they're aware of how ridiculous this whole thing looks to the average voter?

[BasinCruiser]

And in other games... the Swamp Princes is now threatening to not send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate because they will not get a fair hearing... you just couldn't make this stuff up. No one has any idea what would happen if Pelosi just sits on the Articles as it's never happened before. When Slick Willy was impeached the Articles were sent to the Senate 10 minutes after the vote.

Pelosi withholding articles of impeachment from Senate would be 'grave injustice'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-impeachment-constitution-senate-pelosi-trump

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But, but... I thought they had to push this through so fast because time is of the essence, and we are on the verge of an election of which he will cheat to win again, and we have to stop that at all costs, now, so we have to push these hearings through really fast. And once the vote is complete on the House floor, :tumbleweed:

[BasinCruiser]

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[Sombeech]

So how long before the riots begin because Trump wasn't escorted from office, and the Democrats play it up like they don't know the procedure either?

[rockgremlin]

So how long before the riots begin because Trump wasn't escorted from office, and the Democrats play it up like they don't know the procedure either?


This has been my question all along.

The average mainstream social-media follower is not well versed in the mechanics of government and constitutional procedures, so there HAS to be literally millions of folks out there today, right now who are celebrating and just waiting for the official Trump-removal ceremony to be announced.

And when just the opposite happens and he's re-elected for another 4 years there's gotta be another flamboyant backlash. They've already taken to the streets dressed up like an anatomically correct vagina --- what's gonna top that?

[BasinCruiser]

They've already taken to the streets dressed up like an anatomically correct vagina --- what's gonna top that?


Peaches

[BasinCruiser]

As with everything else, the market sure seems to be taking a toll from this impeachment.

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https://apple.news/AwJbYiq7aQ9SXfUEZSSg7XQ

[Scott Card]

Those record highs in the markets...... Trumpster fire! :lol8:



(For the record, I am still not a fan of Trump, the man. I am a fan of Trump the President.)

[oldno7]

Those record highs in the markets...... Trumpster fire! :lol8:



(For the record, I am still not a fan of Trump, the man. I am a fan of Trump the President.)


That can and has been said my many.

He may not be the best man but---

He IS the best man right now as President.

[Iceaxe]

Those record highs in the markets...... Trumpster fire! [emoji38]8:



(For the record, I am still not a fan of Trump, the man. I am a fan of Trump the President.)
Trump is an imperfect man who is perfect for the job :-)

Climb-Utah.com

[BasinCruiser]

Battlefield mentality- when on the battlefield, you want to have the hardest, toughest bad ass that is going to fight along side you and help you win. If he is a jerk and of low character when at home, so what.

You don’t pick the guy that is respectful and loyal to his girlfriend, is perfectly honest and treats everyone with dignity and respect, or because he has the same moral code as you to be on the battlefield with you. When you’re back at home, you choose the type of people you hang out with that way. Not when you are at war.

[oldno7]

what??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_S34bxNKIU

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[dougrz]

My prediction: Romney, Murkowski, Collins side with Schumer and a full rehearing takes places with new witnesses. To drag out and score more points, not to end in removal.

[oldno7]

Right out of the dem playbook



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=57&v=X5DLwCMZGw0&feature=emb_l ogo

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

Impeached Cody Penn-Dent Codypd

Let's put this all in prayerful perspective:
Nancy Pelosi has a brown bag with poo in it.
She's refusing to light it on fire and put it on the Senate's doorstep unless Mitch McConnell promises to put the fire out by stomping on it instead of using a fire extinguisher.

[BasinCruiser]

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https://www.facebook.com/35499336459/posts/10157801084991460/?d=n (https://www.facebook.com/35499336459/posts/10157801084991460/?d=n)

[BasinCruiser]

Another one changes teams. Way to go, Nancy, purging your party one constituent and leader at a time.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/475345-trump-announces-van-drew-will-become-a-republican-in-oval-office

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https://www.facebook.com/35499336459/posts/10157801084991460/?d=n (https://www.facebook.com/35499336459/posts/10157801084991460/?d=n)Exactly correct. Sad thing is, it'll still come down to Romney. If he defects and sides with Schumer on the floor rules for the trial, Murkowski will go along and possibly Collins of Maine. Giving Dems control of the trial itself.

Utah is never to be forgiven for putting this a-hat into office.

[BasinCruiser]

Back when Nancy was sober.


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[Iceaxe]

So I could never figure out how the Demo-Rats planned to actually land this impeachment airplane... but it appears they are just going to sit on the Articles of Impeachment and not send them to the Senate... Their talking point will be "We made our point"...

That's a new one...

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[Scott Card]

So I could never figure out how the Demo-Rats planned to actually land this impeachment airplane... but it appears they are just going to sit on the Articles of Impeachment and not send them to the Senate... Their talking point will be "We made our point"...

That's a new one...

Climb-Utah.com

This, to me, is a complete mockery of the Constitution. :angryfire:

[BasinCruiser]

Begin Operation POTUS Pelosi phase II.

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https://dailysounder.com/adam-schiff-finds-next-target/

[oldno7]

This, to me, is a complete mockery of the Constitution. :angryfire:


The dems have been mocking it for a long time.

Just more openly, now.

[oldno7]

Begin Operation POTUS Pelosi phase II.

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https://dailysounder.com/adam-schiff-finds-next-target/


for some reason, when reading this, the vision of tar and feathers sticks in my head.

Weird--huh....

[Iceaxe]

The dems have been mocking it for a long time.

Just more openly, now.
^^^Yup^^^

The radical left has pulled back the curtain so we can see how they plan to make the sausage... no where is this more evident than to those following the battle over the 2nd Amendment.

Their "we don't want your guns, we just want commonsense gun laws" has become "hell yes we're going to take your guns."

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[dougrz]

I heard two pieces of analysis regarding the delay. 1, the preamble to the articles says the speaker "shall" send over, etc. So she's in violation of the law in not sending over; 2, a Senate rule states the matter shall be taken up once transmitted by the House. Change that rule and the Senate can consider the articles without further House action.

The Constitution is silent on requiring a separate vote on transmittal.

Given this, would forcing transmittal tarnish the legitimacy of the articles more, or letting them rot?

[BasinCruiser]

:crazycobasa:

1. Drunken Nancy impeaches Trump
2. Then refuses to hand over articles to Senate unless she gets her way ( quid pro quo?? for political power?)
3. Then Sends Trump an invitation to give the SOTU 2 days later????

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What is the crackhead smoking?

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Fake, but funny still. :roflol:

Trumps reply letter to crackhead

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[BasinCruiser]

Had Trump truly been ‘impeached’, yet?


DEMOCRATS’ OWN CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERT DISAGREES WITH PELOSI, SAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT CONSIDERED ‘IMPEACHED’ UNTIL SHE SENDS THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT TO THE SENATE
by Kevin Ryan


Nancy Pelosi has just lost all her leverage in the battle over the impeachment articles.


Shortly after the House voted to approve articles of impeachment against President Trump and media headlines blared out “PRESIDENT TRUMP IMPEACHED”, Speaker Pelosi (D-CA) told the press that she wasn’t going to send the articles to the Senate, at least not for now.


“He just got impeached. He’ll be impeached forever. No matter what the Senate does,” Pelosi told reporters, insinuating that if she didn’t send the articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial and acquittal, Trump would remain “impeached forever.” Analysts say she’s been using that threat as leverage to get the Senate to agree to whatever terms Pelosi and House Democrats want.


But now, thanks to the Democrat’s very own constitutional expert, Pelosi has not only lost all the leverage she thought she had, but it turns out the president is not even considered “impeached” unless and until the House sends the articles of impeachment to the Senate.


According to an article written today by Harvard Law professor Noah Feldman, one of the constitutional experts called by Democrats to testify in front of the Impeachment Inquiry earlier this month, “impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the articles to the Senate for trial. Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial.


“If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.”


In other words, the Senate now has all the leverage in Pelosi’s delay game. If she doesn’t send the articles over, Trump will not be considered impeached. And as of right now, the articles of impeachment have still not been transmitted to the Senate.


Meaning, despite all media headlines to the contrary, President Trump has not yet become the 3rd president in history to be impeached.


SOURCES: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/20/noah-feldman-democrat-impeachment-witness-says-tru/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/us/trump-feldman-impeach.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosi-power-gavel-means-trump-impeached-forever-n1105646

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

That about sums it up.....
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[Iceaxe]

Here is a great letter sent to Pelosi from Mike Huckabee:

Dear Madame Speaker:

I read the six-page letter sent to you by President Trump on the eve of his impeachment and thought that as long as letters are flying around, I would send you one myself, just as someone trying to help.

The biggest question for you now is what to do next as you contemplate what action might be taken in the Senate. Your follow-up strategy is very important, I know, to your goal of damaging the President as much as possible before the 2020 election. But right now you and your Democrat colleagues are busy celebrating — behind closed doors, of course — and it’s hard for people who are giddy with merriment and even perhaps a bit hung over to chart their next steps. (You’ve tried your best to look somber and be discreet about the celebrations, but some news accounts have slipped out. You know how it is with leaks.)

The impeachment of President Trump is your long-awaited Christmas gift to yourselves, and now that you have finally unwrapped it, you naturally want to play with it a while. Goodness, you’ve worked so hard and have come so far. And you must all be very proud of yourselves, considering you got this done completely on your own, with not one single vote from the Republican side. Who needs those Republicans, right? You made up your own rules and accomplished the deed all by yourselves.

You worked and planned for this, and only this, literally for years. You were single-minded. You did it. You own this.

And Now More Games
But now it’s time for the Senate to take it on. And I just read in The Daily Caller that you are “leaving open” the possibility of withholding the articles of impeachment from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell until you are “assured a fair trial in the Senate.” You said that, so far, you haven’t seen anything that looks fair to you. You’ve apparently suggested to reporters that you plan to hold up the impeachment process.

Wow, what an idea! You get to put the “black mark” of impeachment by President Trump’s name, after railroading him in Adam Schiff’s kangaroo court. And then, for as long as the Senate has to wait to dismiss the charges or have their trial, those charges, vague as they are, continue to officially hang over him. You, of course, use those charges to try to discredit any appointments or other Presidential actions.

The founding fathers never intended something like this, and we know how much you respect the founding fathers because you mention that so often, but, hey, the founders would surely understand if they knew President Trump was really an agent of Russia, right? Of course they would. They would no doubt give their blessing to anything you did under these unique circumstances.

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Anyway, you’ve said you think the President is “goading” you to come after him because he thinks it will “fire up his base.” And, my goodness, I see that you really are playing along. I understand you are still sending out congressional subpoenas to certain prospective witnesses that you didn’t have time to include in Schiff’s proceedings, as you needed to rush through impeachment by Christmas so you could open your present and “ooh” and “ahh.”

You didn’t have time for the court challenge from Trump that would have had to go before a judge (who might have ruled against you), so you just labeled the exercise of his constitutional rights as “obstruction” and forged ahead. As a result, even though you’ve already presented your case for impeachment and voted on it, you’re still working on investigations of Trump, plus his close allies and cabinet members, in three committees: Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs. It just never ends.

How diligent of you to continue building a case against the President even after your part is supposed to be done. This must be why you want to keep calling witnesses even in the Senate. That wish is certainly understandable, Madame Speaker, considering you have no actual evidence at all at this point. It simply isn’t fair for them to require you to make do with the evidence you have — hearsay and gossip and presumption that wouldn’t even be allowed in a court of law. Goodness, how unfair it would be for the Senate to refuse to allow you to continue digging until you finally found something. And we know how deeply concerned you are with basic fairness.

So let me get to the point of this letter. I have a helpful suggestion for you that will give you the fairness you crave, and I think Sen. McConnell might be persuaded to go along with the idea. To make sure the process is scrupulously fair, here’s what you do: just have him follow exactly the same rules in the Senate that Adam Schiff did in the House. There you go, fairness!

Fair Play
This is how it will work: Sen. McConnell gets to make up the rules he wants, just as Schiff did. And being in the majority (as you were in the House), the Republicans vote straight party-line to approve them. Since you are the minority, you don’t get to call witnesses, but they do, and the witnesses can offer any “evidence” they want. You can ask questions — that’s only fair — but only the ones McConnell approves. The Senate majority has the option to dismiss the charges, of course, or it can subpoena Adam Schiff, his staff, Eric Ciaramella (alias “the whistleblower”), Hunter Biden, Joe Biden (after all, just because he’s running for President, he doesn’t have immunity), and numerous others. Maybe even Ukrainian President Zelensky would like to come testify — no quid pro quo involved.

That would be fair. After the way you treated the House Republicans, the slightest concession you get from the Senate should be considered gravy. And withholding the articles of impeachment is not going to help you, Madame Speaker, as it will just make you folks look more pathetic than you already do, if that is possible. This is one Christmas present you might be sorry you asked for.

Just trying to help. I’ll leave you with a quote from ranking House Judiciary member Doug Collins: “…history will reflect that Donald Trump is the third President to be impeached. History may also shortly reflect that he’ll be the first President to be re-elected after being wrongfully impeached.”

Sincerely,

Gov. Mike Huckabee

PS. Rep. Collins also said this; I thought you might appreciate it: “The funny thing about obstruction, any time the Democrats get caught trying to frame this President for some crime he didn’t commit, they follow up by accusing him of obstructing their efforts to frame him for the things he never did in the first place.”

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[dougrz]

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/947400?ns_mail_uid=0554a89c-fe34-4933-8104-96358923d059&ns_mail_job=DM77908_12262019&s=acs&dkt_nbr=01050269in6n&section=newsfront&keywords=bipartisan-acquittal-senate-trial&year=2019&month=12&date=26&id=947400

Let's hope this is true. I see Romney and Murkowski both joining the Dems to convict. Murkowski, recall, voted against Kavanaugh.

[dougr]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lisa-murkowski-trump-impeachment-vote-mcconnell-senate-trial

Murkowksi already speaking like a Dem on the issue. She's likely gone. Romney almost certainly gone you'd think. There are 53 R's and 45/47 Dems. So we're sitting at 51-49 to exonerate. The goal for the Dems is a simple majority for conviction. To then argue he was found guilty by a majority, just that the pesky Constitution requires 67 votes.

[Iceaxe]

I'm not too sure about this, only because I think Trump is going to insist on it.... I think the Senate (if articles of impeachment are even delivered) would LIKE to brush over it..... I'm not too sure about the new attorney general Barr either.... So far, he's all talk, no action..... same with Sessions..... Durham keeps promising his report, but nothing yet.....

SO..... that leaves Trump and Giuliani....... Now, Trump is absolutely going to insist on witnesses if this thing ever goes to trial in the Senate.... and I believe that chances are almost non-existant that Trump wouldn't have his favorite personal lawyer Giuliani testify..... If that happens, Giuliani is going to insist upon bringing forth his Ukrainian witnesses to vindicate his client.... If THAT happens, it's going to blow the whole Burisma Biden thing wide open...

THIS is why Pelosi doesn't want this to go to the Senate trial...... Sure, you could make the argument that the true role of the Senators during impeachment trial is to be jurors...... as Graham makes that argument.... and they can't call witnesses as jurors, but as McConnell has already stated, he will be working closely with Trump to allow Trump's legal team to call any damned witnesses they want...

Therin lies the risk to Pelosi..... She can't afford to let that happen..... It could mean the end of the Democrat party if it is ever fully revealed what they were up to in Ukraine... That's why I say, Pelosi is not going to ever transmit those articles to the Senate..... BECAUSE, that would be too great a risk, when she's already achieved the best she could hope for which is smearing Trump with the impeachment stigma..... If she goes beyond that, she's going to risk completely nuking her party, which is redundant at this point because there's already a smoking hole in the ground where the Democrat party used to be.... She doesn't want to be the one to end all hope however..... and destroy the stigma, allowing the Senate to completely vindicate Trump..... because that nuke is going to backfire and just make the rubble of the former Democrat party bounce....

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[Iceaxe]

Murkowksi already speaking like a Dem on the issue. She's likely gone. Romney almost certainly gone you'd think.

I listened to Murkowski's complete speech and the media is cherry picking certain sound bites to try and create a controversy and boost ratings. The media is conveniently skipping the parts where Murkowski blasted the Democrats and their kangaroo court.

I highly doubt any of the GOP will abandon ship as long as this record setting economy continues.


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[dougrz]

I listened to Murkowski's complete speech and the media is cherry picking certain sound bites to try and create a controversy and boost ratings. The media is conveniently skipping the parts where Murkowski blasted the Democrats and their kangaroo court.

That's good to hear and I'm glad you added that. I only read the article.

[BasinCruiser]

Romney couldn’t care less about the economy. His re-election isn’t for another 5 years. Today’s economy will be ancient news by the time 2024 rolls around. He is banking on enough fellow Mormon, anti-Trump and Dem votes to keep him in. He would proudly be remembered as the only GOP to vote against Trump in this trial, and hopes his base will remember him for that over the economy.

[BasinCruiser]

What is Quid Pro Joe afraid of?


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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/476097-biden-says-he-would-not-comply-with-a-senate-subpoena-in-trumps-impeachment

[Iceaxe]

I'm not sure how Biden can avoid testifying as he doesn't enjoy Executive Privilege like Trump does, unless there is some type of grandfather clause.

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[dougrz]

I'm not sure how Biden can avoid testifying as he doesn't enjoy Executive Privilege like Trump does, unless there is some type of grandfather clause.

Climb-Utah.comIt's called execudem privilege.

[BasinCruiser]

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Truth...

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[dougr]

Romney's move to support Bolton's testimony will lead to "cracks in Republicans standing up for Trump" articles. He, Murkowski, and Collins are the 3 a-hats on this issue and can do a lot of damage.

[oldno7]

Romney's move to support Bolton's testimony will lead to "cracks in Republicans standing up for Trump" articles. He, Murkowski, and Collins are the 3 a-hats on this issue and can do a lot of damage.

That is there intent.

Collins is less likely to vear off than romney.

but all 3 pretty shaky.

[Iceaxe]

Romney's move to support Bolton's testimony will lead to "cracks in Republicans standing up for Trump" articles. He, Murkowski, and Collins are the 3 a-hats on this issue and can do a lot of damage.

Romney has stated he will support McConnell and the 'Clinton Blueprint' for impeachment, which means no witness testimony unless Republicans decide to call them. This gives the GOP a solid 51 vote majority and doesn't require Murkowski or Collins.

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[dougr]

Romney has stated he will support McConnell and the 'Clinton Blueprint' for impeachment, which means no witness testimony unless Republicans decide to call them. This gives the GOP a solid 51 vote majority and doesn't require Murkowski or Collins.

Just please promise me Utah will primary out Romney at the convention like with Bennett. Ironic that Romney intro'd Bennett back then in an effort to save him.

[oldno7]

wow--from cnn

McConnell just ate Pelosi and Schumer's lunch(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer have been bested by Mitch McConnell yet again. The two Democrats attempted to create impeachment leverage where none existed by withholding the Articles of Impeachment passed last month against President Donald Trump.

But like your Aunt Frieda threatening not to bring her awful fruitcake to Christmas Dinner, their plan didn't work. Nobody wanted it in the first place.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/opinions/mcconnell-impeachment-pelosi-schumer-jennings/index.html

[Iceaxe]

Romney, Murkowski, and Collins have all agreed to back McConnell and the 'Clinton Blueprint' of an impeachment trial. Pelosi is toast!

I get a big kick out of how every shitty trick the Democrats use always comes back to bite them hard in the ass. The Democrats made up the rules during the Clinton impeachment and now are bitching the rules aren't fair... cry me a river...

The biggest mistake Democrats ever made was Harry Reid changing the Senate vote to only require a simple majority, which has resulted in Trump and McConnell packing the courts with Constitutionalists.


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[Iceaxe]

Prediction - Pelosi will send the article's of impeachment to the Senate tomorrow (Friday) afternoon. Pelosi is now in a no-win situation and needs to unload this giant turd sandwich. An in Washington you unload turd sandwiches Friday afternoon so they are part of the Friday Night News Dump.

Climb-Utah.com

[dougr]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/mcconnell-signs-on-to-resolution-to-dismiss-articles-of-impeachment-if-not-received-in-25-days

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Given this, she has no choice but to forward now. The 25 day mark would be this Sunday, Jan. 12, by my calendar calc. I assume McConnell signed on knowing he has the votes for it.

[BasinCruiser]

Can’t.... stop.... laughing


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[Iceaxe]

I think the Democrats should get Maxine Waters to represent their side in the Senate trial... what else do they have to lose, and it would turn the whole dog and pony show into must watch TV.

Climb-Utah.com

[rockgremlin]

I got a chuckle out of this...


https://ipolitics.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/81_222730-1200x675.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/317173/saddayforthenaderbois_jpg-1233599.JPG

[Iceaxe]

FWIW - The democrats just named both Nadler and Schiff to the impeachment prosecution team... I assume this was done so they can't be called as witnesses and put under oath and forced to defend their lies, for which they could then be prosecuted.... I hate to say it, but that was a smart move.

Now I'm curious to see how the Demo-Rats try to protect their presidential front runner, Creepy Joe.

[BasinCruiser]

Today, we saw 2 versions of leadership. One signed a major China Trade Deal (Phase 1), China has agreed to buy 200 billion in American products and services. The other failing leader, Speaker Pelosi, wasted American taxpayers’ dollars on the impeachment hoax with a group of failing politicians who do not have a clue. Thank you President Trump! We, the Americans see your actions and efforts in continuing to make our country better economically while dealing with the impeachment hoax. We appreciate our new China Trade Deal! #KAG #Trump2020


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[dougrz]

The battle will be over "all witnesses or no witnesses." My guess is the Dems will go for none, but argue they were stopped from calling any in a coverup. Everything is designed for media spin, and yelling coverup is better than clips of Biden having to testify.

The sad thing is, this is the permanent state of politics and the country. Zero truth, zero good faith from the leadership of 1/2 the country.

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/33_jpg-1236302.JPG

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Gotta love Teddy.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1217634848426397696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1217634848426397696&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Finstant-articles%2F

[dougr]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gao-says-trump-admin-broke-law-ukraine

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Ah, now we know why Pelosi delayed. To give the GAO time to issue this opinion. Of course with Deep State contacts telling the Dems this was going to be the finding.

The media will run with this hard. Probably enough to get Collins, Romney, and Murkowski on board to convict. OMB issued a statement of disagreement with the GAO. But does Romney care? He wants to get even.

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

Trump has pretty much assembled an All-Star team of lawyers... while the House is sending over Nadler and Schiff... this should be like watching the Harlem Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals....

Ken Starr, Alan Dershowitz join Trump’s impeachment defense team

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ken-starr-dershowitz-join-trumps-impeachment-defense-team

Climb-Utah.com

[dougrz]

^ Massive PR win for Trump. Political clown team screaming Russian collusion for 2 years vs actual Constitutional scholars.

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/slLjip1.png

[oldno7]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82713269_10216206069526406_3772581822630723584_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQkmzXkTd8QyOvMacqy8ju9FcSdNeiZIEM3XNZ6eXfN 05z1EMFLdrhztaRpNjT79q8w&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=89b8408810625e9d186e3ff1739390ed&oe=5EAAE325

[BasinCruiser]

Well, well, well. Another liberal ‘witness’ walking back statements they made in testimony. Where have we seen this before? Oh, yeah. The Kavanaugh hearings.



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https://neonnettle.com/news/9505-vindman-admits-to-fabricating-details-from-trump-s-ukraine-call-summary

[BasinCruiser]

Schiffhead mischaracterize evidence? Say it ain’t so. This is my shocked face. :popcorn:


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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/21/schiff-parnas-trump-evidence-101832

[oldno7]

parnas is a schiff sandwich for dems.

They keep getting these bombshell momemts that blow up in their face.

[oldno7]

https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/pelosi-impeach-trump.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.arcamax.com/newspics/178/17845/1784590.gif

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/ftiXVUZ.jpg

[oldno7]

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/sk011920dAPC20200117084530.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/LWBrPvZ.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/9ohOb7a.jpg

[oldno7]

https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv012120dAPR20200122064508.jpg

[oldno7]

Barratry​

That is all....

[BasinCruiser]

:scared::crackit:

Does Chucky see dead people?

Schumer does an excercism rough on the Senate floor. Evicts a ghost from his chair.

https://www.facebook.com/1627497489/posts/10218800383873822/?d=n

[BasinCruiser]

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[caverdan]

..

[oldno7]

The question is.......what is fair......the true meaning that is?


I guess that would depend on if you base it on reality or fantasy...

[oldno7]

https://cdn.creators.com/1054/270764/270764_image.jpg

[oldno7]

https://cdn.creators.com/589/270763/270763_image.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

Double standard much?:ne_nau:

Recap: Anti Trump protestors have been there all week long - no action from police.

Infowars reporter stands there with tape over his mouth and a sign that says ‘Censored’, and gets arrested.

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https://nationalfile.com/breaking-infowars-reporter-owen-shroyer-arrested-protesting-outside-impeachment-trial/

[rockgremlin]

Double standard much?:ne_nau:

Recap: Anti Trump protestors have been there all week long - no action from police.

Infowars reporter stands there with tape over his mouth and a sign that says ‘Censored’, and gets arrested.

93895

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-infowars-reporter-owen-shroyer-arrested-protesting-outside-impeachment-trial/



Yeah well......they had it in for him when he interrupted Jerry Nadler in the opening minutes of the impeachment hearing:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protester-at-impeachment-hearing-owen-shroyer-infowars-host-interrupts-start-of-house-impeachment-hearing-today/

[dougrz]

Murkowski "offended" by Nadler's comments.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/impeachment-backfire-key-gop-senator-offended-by-nadler-charge-as-trial-tests-patience-and-stamina

Dems are appealing to the media and public, not senators.

[oldno7]

Murkowski "offended" by Nadler's comments.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/impeachment-backfire-key-gop-senator-offended-by-nadler-charge-as-trial-tests-patience-and-stamina

Dems are appealing to the media and public, not senators.

The real question is going to be--are there any in his own party who are put off by the prosecution so far?

I don't think chucky keeps his caucus in line like nan.

Could there be 10 defectors?

If going off a lack of a credible, impeachable offense, I can see several not toeing the line.

This sham might be getting more difficult to explain to thinking constituents back home.

[dougrz]

Collins "stunned" by Nadler's words.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stunned-sen-collins-objected-to-nadlers-impeachment-accusation-in-note-to-roberts

Add in Hakeem's utterly ridiculous presentation, involving the KKK and other garbage.

Really weak overall.

[oldno7]

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/215966849d6b4bbe5625ca2dc7c2db86c7e572d7d6217cef9e 44b72da7b346bb.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

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[dougrz]

Mike Lee on Foxnews was good tonight. I still don't like him anymore, but he was adamant about the case being so weak it should be closed now.

I didn't hear what Schiff said about heads on pikes or something? But that comment specifically, he said, ticked off the entire Repub conference including the key 3 or 4 waverers.

Collins quoted tonight saying the pike comment was not based in reality, that there has been no pressure on senators from the White House.

[dougrz]

Add: Great quote from Murkowski tonight saying the Dems' calling for witnesses, and court battles to bring them, is something the House should not dump on and expect the Senate to do.

That's a really good sign this is over.

[BasinCruiser]

“"I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place. It's unprecedented. It happens to be based on no facts. Every expert, regardless of political party, regardless of ideology — conservative or liberal — who has ever examined these issues in a serious way will tell you that instances of significant voter fraud are not to be found …

If you start whining before the game is even over, if whenever things are going badly for you and you lose you start blaming somebody else, then you don’t have what it takes to be in this job. Because there are a lot of times when things don’t go our way, or my way. That’s okay. You fight through it, you work through it. You try to accomplish your goals.
"But the larger point that I want to emphasize here is that there is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, in part because they’re so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved. There’s no evidence that that has happened in the past, or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes."- BO #44

[oldno7]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/83310461_10218144943267412_7206728498738626560_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=tM41n1gDPe8AX-l5u_-&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=7506148377ca5675a0bf4f03c69c1a14&oe=5E9B1DFD

[oldno7]

https://i.redd.it/wczz70i7zdc41.jpg

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/5_jpg-1245423.JPG

[BasinCruiser]

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[twotimer]

I’ve been out in the boonies for the last week but it appears that the Dems have puked all over themselves yet again.

I can’t imagine what they’ll come up with after this nonsense is over.

[BasinCruiser]

From the United Spot... 🤣😂🤣


Just in case you haven't had time to listen to all the impeachment hearings, we've taken the time to summarize it for you in a factual, unbiased manner so that you'll have the necessary information to make an informed decision about it.


Hearing Summary:
The whole impeachment explained accurately:


Dems: We have an airtight case against the President


Reps: Ok, go ahead


Dems: Trump and his staff came up with a plot to withhold funding to Ukraine contingent on the announcement of investigations into Joe Biden's son. AN ABUSE OF POWER, then he obstructed our investigation!


Reps: Oh gee that sounds bad.


Dems: It gets worse, he also withheld a meeting with the new President of Ukraine unless he complied.


Reps: WOW. That poor man, when will they get the money?


Dems: Oh, they already got the money. A few weeks before the deadline


Reps: Wait, he got the money? Are they going to withdraw the investigations?


Dems: He never announced the investigations, but Trump asked them to investigate in their meeting.


Reps: Wait, THEY HAD THE MEETING?


Dems: Well yeah, they had a meeting


Reps: So let me make sure I have this right, Trump gave them the money before the deadline, they didn't announce any investigations and they got the meeting.


Dems: Yes


Reps: And you investigated this?


Dems: Of course we did, we had to, the president clearly has bad motives.


Reps: and you found proof of this?


Dems: Absolutely, one guy overheard someone else on the phone talking to Trump about the whole scheme.


Reps: Like on speaker phone?


Dems: Not exactly, more like across the table in a crowded restaurant, not on speakerphone.


Reps: I see, I suppose he destroyed all the evidence, thus the obstruction.


Dems: Well no, first he declassified the meeting transcripts, BUT then he said he had executive privilege or some nonsense.


Reps: What did the court say?


Dems: What court?


Reps: Didn't you take him to court to get the records?


Dems: There was no time, we can't have a president extorting foreign countries. LOL MAN, are you crazy?


Reps: Just a second, let me catch my breath.


Dems: Shocking isn't it.


Reps: To recap, Trump gave Ukraine a meeting, the funding, no investigations were launched, declassified the meeting, and offered to go to let the courts decide on executive privilege, and you impeached based on an overheard phone call and the fact that you were in a hurry?


Dems: Well... when you say it like that it makes us sound silly. But you'll see when we call new witnesses during the Senate phase.


Reps: YOU HAVEN'T EVEN INTERVIEWED ALL THE WITNESSES YET?


Dems: Well, no but we did interview a few low level staffers.


Reps: *looks around*


Dems: *grins confidently*


Reps: You are f*****ng nuts.

[twotimer]

Aw shit man, I had that figured out before this whole stupid mess got started. Nice summary, though.

I was just wondering if the Dems had dropped the bomb that would have the Trumpster led from the WH in chains...y’know, like Cohen or Mueller was supposed to do? Where was this “new evidence“ that was supposed to come up?

These poor liberals swilling the TDS kool-aid...they’re like that woman in the TV commercial trying desperately to grab the dollar bill on the end of that fishing line.

Like I said, where can they go from here? They’ve blown every wad they’ve got short of assassination.

[dougrz]

So the RCP average of polls is now showing more opposed to removal than for. Given that same average of polls was markedly for removal several months ago, safe to say the tide has turned to the point where it's going out.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_ president_trump-6957.html

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200126/54f9114722f691692085096035a5026c.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

I really question who has the more dumb electorate- AOC, or Swallowell.


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[BasinCruiser]

Impeachment is a political trial. Who is winning? What is the collateral damage to the Dems for it?


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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/report-impeachment-is-driving-1000-republican-candidates-to-run-for-house-seats-this-year/

[oldno7]

And this will be the end result^^^^^

In Virginia alone, many dems got elected in un contested districts.

Rep. are great at apathy but these latest over reaches on Trump, guns, socialism, etc have indeed poked the bear.

[oldno7]

https://i.postimg.cc/nzpM8n82/Screen-Shot-2020-01-22-at-7-51-38-PM-png.png

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/rfgErWd.jpg

[dougrz]

So now we have Bolton possibly claiming in a book that Trump directly told him he wanted aid to Ukraine held to get Biden investigations going. And whether he actually says that in the upcoming book is nebulous enough to require his testimony. How convenient.

The Deep State strikes again, and by extension the neocon wing of the Repub party. Bolton is a perpetual war hawk and is angry about Trump's non-neocon foreign policy. The twin brother of one of the Dems' witnesses, Vindman, works at the NSC, where the manuscript was passed through. How convenient.

All fate back in the hands of Romney, who's looking for any way to plausibly sink Trump. He had nothing yesterday and now has something today to make his move.

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/555/you-knew-damn-5ce178_jpg-1251880.JPG

[dougrz]

DOW selling off a bit today. Small 1%+ move so far. But as the stakes get higher, the market, imo, will begin to price in risk of a Dem sweep.

You can't forget, Iceaxe, we live in a bubble. Where America is still decent, where truth matters, and where wild eyed leftism is a joke.

The media paints the opposite picture, and tens of millions know nothing else but what they hear from it. Maybe 60 to 80% of the pop hears nothing but that. Dems need to move just a small number of votes in WI, MI, PA and wherever else. Isn't much to get across the line.

Call me silly, I just have little faith in truth winning after decades of it losing.

[Iceaxe]

I'm all in, I'm riding this pony right into the ground...

And no way in hell are the Democrats going to sweep. Right now they are going to actually have to work to keep the House, which should have been a give me.

Trump will be elected President.
GOP keeps the Senate
Democrats keep the House

Those are my predictions at the moment.

/Bookmarked

[BasinCruiser]

So, what is Bolten's EXACT allegations, and what is the context?

1. Is he alleging that Trump mentioned to him that he would like or wants miltary aid tied to the investigations?
2. Or did he give him a directive to explicitly withhold military aid until after the investigations were confirmed?

There is HUGE difference between these scenarios. The first is symply Trump discussing plans with his National Security Advisor, and sharing his desires. This is in no way a criminal offense. This would be considered a THOUGHT crime. (Minority Report??). If all he was doing was blowing steam, or discussing the circumstance - even if he mentioned this during a discussion and was redirected and told - "Hey, Mr. President, you can't do that. That would be illegal", and then he backed down from it, that's still not a criminal offense, to be discussing what to do.

If if was the 2nd situation - if he actually withheld the military aid, where is the evidence of the crime? Where is the victim? Congress approved the money, and it was scheduled to be delivere to Ukraine no later than Sept 30. The aid was delivered Sept 12. Where is the crime?

Ukraine has repeatedly said - we don't know what you guys are talking about. "We didn't know aid was being withheld in exchange for investigations." How do you blackmail/pressure/extort someone if they don't even know they are being pressured to do something? Who is the victim? Shouldn't a victim allege that they were victimized in order for there to be a crime?

If Bolten had this information, why didn't he come forward with it earlier? Why did the transcript for his book have to be 'leaked' through the National Security Council 'conveniently' on the eve of Trumps defense taking the stand?

If his information was so important and so damning and necessary to this case, like Schiffty says, why didn't Schiffty subpena Bolten during the House trial?

[BasinCruiser]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/27/democrat-doug-jones-wants-to-subpoena-john-boltons-book/

"the New York Times about an as-yet-unpublished manuscript in which the former national security advisor reportedly claims, “President Trump said he wanted to keep aid to Ukraine frozen until its officials helped him with investigations into Democrats.”

If this is what they have - Bolten stating the Trump 'wanted' to keep aid...., isn't that evidence IN SUPPORT of Trump NOT being guilty of actually witholding aid for investigations? So, the only EVIDENCE that the Dems have is Trumps no fired National Security Advisor 'claiming' that Trump 'wanted' to withhold the aid. Can this seriously be any more flimsy of a case?

So, POTUS is scrutinizing aid to a foreign country that allegedly interfered with the 2016 election, and wants something done to investigate it, and the Dems want to remove him for it. ??

[dougrz]

Agreed ^. But it still comes down to how this plays out, in moving votes. We know the House didn't subpoena Bolton because they wanted to rush. We know his testimony doesn't materially change anything legal.

But do you believe those truths matter in today's America? They don't.

Romney and Collins have already made it pretty clear they want Bolton to testify. Toomey indicating similar. Justification for the entire impeachment. Very sad day.

Not sure if allowing one witness allows all, or if the Senate can specify which witnesses. If the latter, I doubt Romney and Collins would agree to call Hunter. If the former, Trump's team would call Hunter obviously.

Bottom line? Odds for removal went from zero to some number. Maybe 5% or 10% at this point. Thanks to John Bolton and the neocons. And this even after Dershowitz's utterly superb dismantling of the legal basis for the entire impeachment. But ignored by Romney.

[BasinCruiser]

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[Scott Card]

And this even after Dershowitz's utterly superb dismantling of the legal basis for the entire impeachment.
Yes, Dershowitz was brilliant. I hope there is a motion to simply dismiss this thing based upon the lack of any legal grounds for impeachment.

[Iceaxe]

Yes, Dershowitz was brilliant. I hope there is a motion to simply dismiss this thing based upon the lack of any legal grounds for impeachment.I think this would be the best thing for the country and Constitution as it would set a standard that would stop this from happening again.

I fear the day when one party rules both houses and removes an elected President simply because they don't like him.

Climb-Utah.com

[dougrz]

The behavior of these key Repubs is exactly what we saw for decades. Giving in to Dems "just a little" to make a deal possible. Trump ushered in a new era, of fighting and standing up. The key reason he's so hated by the left. They didn't mind the Bushes ultimately, who would roll and cave at the drop of hat. They were convenient foils and not much impediment to their plans.

Enter Romney and Toomey.

[BasinCruiser]

Did hell just freeze over? Or is she just pulling tricks?

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“Nine months left to go, the people should judge. We are a republic, we are based on the will of the people — the people should judge,” Feinstein said Tuesday, after the president’s team finished a three-day presentation in his defense. “That was my view and it still is my view.”


https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-01-28/trump-team-wraps-impeachment-defense-with-an-elephant-in-the-senate-john-bolton?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

[dougrz]

Probably says more that she's confident enough damage has been done.

I'm upping my odds of a Dem sweep from 40 to 50%. Kelly came out backing Bolton. The knives are out, blows are being landed.

The few % of middle voters decide all this, and this doesn't look good for Trump. Invoking exec privilege looks bad, and having Bolton say he requested "this" looks bad.

The end result will be probably 52 to 48 for conviction now. Given that the Romney axis has disregarded the constitution and won't dismiss this case, they are receptive to the very idea of ousting him, which means they will vote that way in the end.

Really upsetting.

[Iceaxe]

The end result will be probably 52 to 48 for conviction now.

It requires 67 votes in the Senate to impeach Trump... and that is NEVER going to happen. So you can rest easy....

The Senate can vote to dismiss the case with 50 votes, plus the VP as tie breaker.

[dougrz]

It requires 67 votes in the Senate to impeach Trump... and that is NEVER going to happen. So you can rest easy....

The Senate can vote to dismiss the case with 50 votes, plus the VP as tie breaker.I know the 2/3 requirement. But there's no denying it's a powerful message to run on: "a majority thinks he's guilty."

52-48 to remove was my prediction way back months ago when this started. I came around to quick dismissal as of Sunday. Blown away now by Bolton.

Repub skunks would be Romney, Collins, Toomey, Murkowski, and Alexander.

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

BREAKING NEWS: SEN. MAJORITY LEADER MCCONNELL (R-KY) SAYS HE DOESN’T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO END IMPEACHMENT TRIAL WITHOUT WITNESSES
By Kevin Ryan


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says Republicans don’t currently have enough votes to block witnesses in President Trump’s Senate impeachment trial.


Earlier today, Trump’s legal team concluded their defense presentation. At one point, they made the case that witness testimony by former National Security Advisor John Bolton wasn’t necessary, because even if his alleged claims that Trump told him he wanted to pause Ukrainian assistance until they investigated Burisma and Hunter Biden are true, it doesn’t rise to the level of impeachment.


But at a meeting of all Republican senators late this afternoon, GOP leaders told their members that they don’t currently have the votes to prevent witnesses from being called, sources say.


Republicans had hoped to wrap up the trial with an acquittal of the president by this week, but Democrats have said Bolton should appear under oath to offer a firsthand account of the president’s motivations for freezing aid to Ukraine.


Polls suggesting that a majority of the public also favors having witnesses may have convinced enough Republican senators to agree. Only 4 Republicans are needed to join with Democrat’s to vote for witnesses in order to make it happen. If McConnell is correct, that appears to be what is happening.


Sens. Mitt Romney (R-UT) and Susan Collins (R-ME) indicated on Monday that they were likely to favor witnesses. Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) and Lamar Alexander (R-TN) remained open to the idea.


A separate plan to make Bolton’s manuscript available to the Senate for review instead of calling him to testify about it has also been discussed. But as of right now, if McConnell is correct, it appears the Senate trial will not be able to conclude without witnesses.


Either way, the next phase, in which the Senators can ask questions to the defense and prosecution, begins tomorrow.


SOURCE: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-defense-team-to-close-arguments-complicated-by-bolton-reports-11580215229

[oldno7]

Seems a bit odd that every witness and The President of Ukraine, all said aid was not tied to a biden investigation.

Now, along comes bolton, selling a book and he says otherwise:ne_nau:

It doesn't add up for bolton.

[oldno7]

Leading up to rally in NJ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFR1S3wzPTM

[oldno7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IONzk_eRFpA

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

Tried to post a list of Trumps accomplishments---got this

The following errors occurred with your submission

The text that you have entered is too long (82320 characters). Please shorten it to 30000 characters long.



So--just go here:

http://www.magapill.com/

[dougrz]

Dems are playing a game where they want Bolton but not Biden/s to testify. I think they might reject any witness deal, in order to keep the Bidens out. Better to claim a crooked trial and let it end, they're going to lose anyway, then have the Bidens sullied. Run on the "coverup" line instead.

Also gives the skunk Repubs a chance to support witnesses knowing there won't be any.

[oldno7]

I believe Graham said yesterday, If they want witness' then we get them all.

If this goes to witness', this trial needs to go on for many months and drag out every one.

A long list of witness' is not the dems friend...

[Iceaxe]

The Democrats really don't give a shit about witnesses one way or the other... they just want to scar Trump...

Climb-Utah.com

[dougrz]

Dershowitz incredible again tonight. Particularly two points.

1. 1st term vs 2nd term action. A pres orders an investigation vs a "potential opponent" in the first term, as here, and that's called impeachable since his motive is to benefit himself. But in his 2nd term the exact same action wouldn't have a personal benefit motive. Therefore not impeachable? If motive is the central issue here, then the underlying action itself isn't impeachable. Motive isn't a crime, the underlying must be analyzed standalone.

2. If Obama got polling data saying the left wing in his party would be mad if he sold weapons to Ukraine, would deciding not to sell weapons to Ukraine because of that data be impeachable? No one would or did argue that for Obama's decisions. Yet his motive would be / was to benefit himself, rather than strictly doing something in the "national interest." Presidents make decisions all the time based on how the public will react for or against their own political benefit.

[dougrz]

And of course Collins and Murkowski submitted a question that gives indication about their leanings.

Paraphrasing: "If Trump was concerned about corruption in Ukraine, did he bring it up in 2017, 2018 before Biden became a candidate?"

The meaning being, he only took interest in 2019 after Biden announced. Going back to motive as the key.

When this first came up months ago, I thought defiance would have been best. "Damn right I want investigations into Biden. No one is above the law, including a Democrat. I'm the chief law enforcement officer of the country. We have a treaty with Ukraine for co- law enforcement action."

Instead the defense is more a denial of actions.

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

And of course Collins and Murkowski submitted a question that gives indication about their leanings.

Paraphrasing: "If Trump was concerned about corruption in Ukraine, did he bring it up in 2017, 2018 before Biden became a candidate?"

The meaning being, he only took interest in 2019 after Biden announced. Going back to motive as the key.

When this first came up months ago, I thought defiance would have been best. "Damn right I want investigations into Biden. No one is above the law, including a Democrat. I'm the chief law enforcement officer of the country. We have a treaty with Ukraine for co- law enforcement action."

Instead the defense is more a denial of actions.

The fly in the ointment for this line of flawed dem talking point is this:(Collins and Murkowski as well as mittens, just as well be dems)

Prior to Ukraine's last election, there was no one to work with that wasn't completely buried in corruption.

There was no reason to be compelled to call out a corrupt President on corruption.

That would be aikin to calling Carlo gambino and saying "ya know carlo, construction racketeering (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeering), gambling, loansharking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loansharking), extortion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion), money laundering (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering), prostitution,

those are bad things, you should knock it off".

Instead, Trump waited to deal with a new President of Ukraine who actually ran on ending the corruption.

It just so happened that push up joe started his campaign about the same time as the transition of a new President in Ukraine.

[oldno7]

Heres why Trump will be acquitted:

Jay Sekulow Band--these guys are pretty good:2thumbs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=125&v=5oh7kchkPNc&feature=emb_ logo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=103&v=om-oM-gXPEs&feature=emb_logo

[oldno7]

If classic rock is it---you must acquit

[oldno7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG-f2WuJmhQ

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http://patriotretort.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Distracted-Romney-800x445.jpg

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https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/012/329/769/original/b5dc997374e2ce32.jpg?1571936581

[oldno7]

^^^^^
According to The New Yorker, Hunter joined Burisma’s board in April of 2014 and remained on it until he declined to renew his position this past May. Meanwhile, according to Burisma’s website, Black was appointed in February of 2017 and continues to serve on its board. The timelines would indicate that Black and Biden worked together at Burisma, and indeed, web archives (https://web.archive.org/web/20171107043544/https:/burisma-group.com/eng/) from late 2017 show Black and Biden listed simultaneously on the board.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/top-romney-adviser-worked-with-hunter-biden-on-board-of-ukrainian-energy-company/

[oldno7]

I'm just curious.....

To date, the dems have called 18 witness'

Testimony of all but one was released by schifft

why is 18 witness' inadequate?:ne_nau:

[oldno7]

Bolton--"o.k. to lie"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=Sd3b2tALnrA&feature=emb_lo go

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https://twitter.com/pragmatometer/status/1222691954435284992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw



MIKE DROP

[dougrz]

Waiting to hear Lamar Alexander's decision on witnesses or not. As we sit, Collins announced she is for more witnesses. You'd have to assume Murkowski and Romney will go with her. So we're at 50-49 with Alexander deciding it.

[dougrz]

Alexander announces vote for no more witnesses, and with a good statement on overall acquital. Romney announces he wants more witnesses, specifically Bolton.

We're likely at 50-50 if Murkowski goes with Collins and Romney.

Dems will move to have Roberts vote to break the tie, he might abstain, he might vote. No telling.

50-50 means no more witnesses and case is over tomorrow.

I would expect the vote for/against witnesses to likely mirror the final acquittal vote. 50-50 in the cards? Would Manchin or Jones go for acquittal? That's important for the narrative.

[dougrz]

Best case: Romney, Collins, Murkowski vote to acquit even though they don't get more witnesses. Manchin and Jones vote to acquit being in heavy R states. Not realistic that Feinstein or Sinema vote to acquit, but say that happens. 57-43 for acquital.

Worst case: Romney, Collins, Murkowski vote to convict. Manchin and Jones stay home. 50-50 final.

[BasinCruiser]

BREAKING NEWS: SEN. LAMAR ALEXANDER (R-TN) SAYS HE WILL NOT VOTE FOR MORE WITNESSES, MEANING ACQUITTAL OF PRESIDENT TRUMP WITHOUT ADDITIONAL WITNESSES IS ALL BUT ASSURED
by Kevin Ryan


Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) says he has heard enough, and does not believe additional witnesses would change the fact that the articles of impeachment do not warrant removal of the president.


"I worked with other senators to make sure that we have the right to ask for more documents and witnesses, but there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution's high bar for an impeachable offense," Alexander said in a statement.


Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) says she will vote for additional witnesses. Collins is in a competitive race for re-election this fall. She says each side should be able to call the same number of witnesses. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) also says he would like to hear from John Bolton.


Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) has not yet decided on witnesses. But, since Senate Democrats need four Republicans to join them to prevail on the witness vote, and since it seems the most they can get is three (if Murkowski votes yes), it now appears all but certain that there will be no further witnesses, and President Trump will be acquitted.


The Senate will hold the vote on witnesses Friday afternoon and could move to acquit Trump from the impeachment charges later that night.


SOURCE: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/30/republicans-confident-defeat-witness-vote-trial-109603

[BasinCruiser]

POLITICO HAS UNCOVERED 1999 LETTER FROM THEN SEN. JOE BIDEN TO FELLOW DEMOCRATS SAYING SENATE SHOULD NOT CALL WITNESSES DURING CLINTON IMPEACHMENT
by Kevin Ryan


Politico has obtained a letter written by then-Sen. Joe Biden arguing strongly against the need for witnesses or evidence in President Clinton’s Senate impeachment trial. Biden sent the four-page document to fellow Democrats on Jan. 5, 1999.


“The Senate may dismiss articles of impeachment without holding a full trial or taking new evidence. Put another way, the Constitution does not impose on the Senate the duty to hold a trial,” Biden wrote at the time.


“In a number of previous impeachment trials, the Senate has reached the judgment that its constitutional role as a sole trier of impeachments does not require it to take new evidence or hear live witness testimony.”


Biden also said senators should take into account the impact that prolonging the impeachment proceedings would have on the country.


“In light of the extensive record already compiled, it may be that the benefit of receiving additional evidence or live testimony is not great enough to outweigh the public costs (in terms of national prestige, faith in public institutions, etc.) of such a proceeding,” Biden said. “While a judge may not take such considerations into account, the Senate is uniquely competent to make such a balance.”


He cites historical precedents from impeachment cases going back to the establishment of the Senate.


Biden’s comments from 1999 are at odds with current Democratic talking points that additional witnesses must be called to get to the bottom of Trump’s actions in the Ukraine saga. Seventeen witnesses testified in the House impeachment inquiry, but Democrats say they need more, and want the Republican-controlled Senate to subpoena former national security advisor John Bolton and others.


SOURCES: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/30/joe-biden-impeachment-witness-109730
https://static.politico.com/1e/c3/c1f5b0e64288babbba06da2e401a/0247-001.pdf

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/TqdtYnI.png

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/6p7JuVb.jpg

[dougrz]

Wow, Murkowski came out against witnesses. Really surprising to me. Making it 51-49 was, I think, critically important. Roberts potentially could have voted to break the tie. No guarantee he would have abstained.

So Collins, who could easily lose re-election this year, and Romney are the only 2 skunks.

How will those two vote on acquital?

[oldno7]

That is amazing.

We have so many traitors/swamp dwellers on the right.

Side question.................

What percent of congressmen have been compromised in any fashion?

I'd seriously guess very close to 100%

[dougrz]

Several lines from Murkowski's statement on her vote are interesting and could be read both ways. "Congress has failed," "this trial can't be impartial," "one institution has been degraded and I won't let another [the Supreme Court] be as well."

Then this: "We are sadly at a low point of division in this country."

Yes we are at a low point. But not why, I bet, you think. We're divided because for the first time the sides fundamentally disagree on basic values. We agree on nothing. Not how to raise children, not on religion, not on national identity, not on the role of govt, not on the definition of life, not on whether citizens are subjects or free people, nothing. It's a cold war, yes, literally. Understand that and you'll understand the need to defeat these people at every turn. It's not the old liberal vs conservative issues, it's leftists vs normal people.

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3097/3C404B01-6989-4CD0-8FF8-0A0EED9F13FF-1253162.jpg

[oldno7]

From the mike drop video

https://i.imgur.com/mlfLunv.png

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https://i.redd.it/49qognww41e41.jpg

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[oldno7]

https://preview.redd.it/5qdwqtiu56e41.jpg?width=899&auto=webp&eaf9d11f

[oldno7]

Just watched the vote on more witness'

Voted down 51-49

Romney of course voted with his allies the democrats.

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

This is a great watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=zo_oiObCf5M&feature=emb_l ogo

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/Reo35FU.png

[oldno7]

Meanwhile:

Trump Takes Out Another Top Terrorist In The Middle Easthttps://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-takes-out-another-top-terrorist-in-the-middle-east

[oldno7]

Meanwhile 2:

Zelensky: 'We Dearly Appreciate Efforts of President Trump' in Defending Ukraine Sovereignty
(CNSNews.com) - Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky told a news conference on Friday that relations between his country and the United States are "excellent."
Speaking at a joint news conference with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Zelensky said, "The United States have been and will remain our key ally in defending sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.
"We dearly appreciate efforts of President Trump and his administration on this track. We are grateful for your personal, unflinching, and unwavering stance regarding the war in Donbas and the illegal annexation of Crimea."
In response to a question on whether President Trump's impeachment has "spoiled" Ukrainian-American relations, Zelensky said, "It seems to me it's the other way around."

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/susan-jones/zelensky-we-dearly-appreciate-efforts-president-trump-defending

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Come see Adam Schiff take a dive off the poop deck.
See Naked Nancy Pelosi handing out her pens as the ship goes down.
Here Elizabeth Warrens speech “Free
Life Boats for everyone”
See Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden men’s room fist fight over toilet paper.


Watch the Trailer on Wacka-doo.Commies

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:roflol::roflol::roflol:

[oldno7]

Ya know what I'd like to see at the SOTU address?

Very little talk of impeachment, just turn to nan and thank her for all her prayers..

[Sombeech]

This is a great watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=zo_oiObCf5M&feature=emb_l ogoThat whole user channel, thank you

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

[BasinCruiser]

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[oldno7]

Man--does anyone know a vacant bed at an asylum, schiffty is in need.

Trump could sell Russia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=41&v=tGCYoXCW85Y&feature=emb_l ogo

[oldno7]

Vladimir , lols

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif

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[twotimer]

93976oh hell...I’d bet you 8 out of 10 people in this country would say the same thing. Besides, I reckon most football fans in Kansas are pretty happy about the win.

Better than Obama calling out 53 states or whatever was that number he coughed up.

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[oldno7]

The Senate Republicans have said they were going to investigate this guy, will see if they carry through.

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[BasinCruiser]

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Post #480. :bandit:

[BasinCruiser]

During the Senate trial, Trump posted his highest job approval rating poll from Gallup in his tenure: nearly 50%.

He was acquitted by a congress with an overall job approval rating of ~25%.

Tell me again how a Senate acquittal is a demolition of the Democratic process. :ne_nau:


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https://www.theblaze.com/news/amid-impeachment-trial-trump-gets-highest-job-approval-rating

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[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48896/13_jpg-1263297.JPG

[BasinCruiser]

Get ‘em while they last.

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https://shop.blazemedia.com/products/nancy-pelosi-sucks-commemorative-pen

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