Armed Citizen

[Iceaxe]

I think we need a seperate firearms thread about the positive.....

How many times have you been somewhere like a party and some liberal nut goes off about about the evils of firearms and you just smile because you are carrying concealed?

I have a crazy liberal sister-in-law who is one of those types. She is one of the people that cried the night Trump won and had to take three days off work because of the trama, she cried when the Mueller report came out that stated our President was not guilty of treason. She hates guns and states she will never go anywhere that people carry firearms.... Anyhoo, you get the point...

The funny part is she will fly into one of her rants and never know I'm standing there with a smile on my face... and a gun under my shirt. She is none the wiser, yet she is safer for having me next to her. I will not shoot her. My gun will not pull it's own trigger and it can't just go off. My firearm is securely holstered. However, rest assured that if a deadly threat walks in and pulls out a weapon, I will draw my pistol and protect myself, my family and therefore protect her. I may get shot, but I will not die in a helpless blubbering heap on the floor begging for my life. I choose not be a victim. As for her, I don't ask her to carry a firearm or practice self defense. If she is not comfortable with a firearm then please don't carry one. But I choose to exercise my right under the 2nd Amendment to not be a helpless victim. There is evil in the world and I want the opportunity to protect myself and my family.

USA USA USA
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[tallsteve]

I totally agree. I have some crazy relatives just like that on my wife's side of the fam. I can't even have a rational conversation about gun rights with them anymore. They have no clue that I'm pretty much always armed.

[BasinCruiser]

When reading the responses to the report from The Hill the other about the reversal of Cal mag capacity ban, there were many of the typical lib responses - "What is this judge thinking....This judge is a plant by the NRA...The sky is falling...All who support this have blood on their hands.." My reaction to these is similar to Iceaxe's - society is safer with responsible members being armed and able to defend them and those around if they have sufficient means to do so. I don't understand why they think that if someone uses X to do a terrible tragidy, to stop that from happening again in the future, all we have to do is outlaw X, and the world will return to our utopia. If we outlaw X, then only criminals and terrorists will have X.

As a conservative, I take upon myself accountability and responsibility for MY actions, and hold others to do the same. If someone uses X to do terrible harm, I don't demonize X and think it should be banned. I hold that person responsible, and believe they should be held accountable for their actions.

The thing that they never want to acknowledge and recognize is that the majority of mass shootings are stopped either by armed victims stopping the perpetrator (Sutherland Springs, NZ Christchurch), or the perp just moves on (Parkland). No offense to LEO, but they can't be everyone at once. The more responsible citizens are armed, the lower crime rates are, the fewer shootings occur, and the more civilized the society is.

I've only been carrying for about 6 months. As such, I haven't been very contious of businesses with signs restricting firearms. Has anyone noticed many/any here in UT? I've often wanted to get the business card to give to such businesses that highlights the positives of having responsible, armed citizens with CCP on their premises - passed background check, no criminal record, can assist in deterring an attack, etc.

[tallsteve]

The Megaplex theaters have a no firearms policy. Or at least they did. I can't find it on their website now, though. Target has a no gun policy. Old Navy does as well. Here's what I'm going to say about it. Unless it's a federal, state or city building where they are prohibited, I ignore it. Here's why: if you get caught (and that's a big IF) it's only a citation- the equivalent to a parking ticket. They can't confiscate your weapon or send you to jail. I refuse to be a soft and easy target in a gun-free establishment. I've been carrying for 2-1/2 years. I have never had my firearm accidentally fall out of my IWB holster. I've never left it behind anywhere (like bathroom stall). It's always very well concealed. My life and the lives of those I'm with are worth the risk to me.

[Iceaxe]

I went to a Utah Jazz game last week and they don't allow firearms in Vivent Smart Home Arena, you have to walk through a metal detector to enter and if you are carrying you either can't enter or must leave your firearm in your car.

I hated walking out of that place after the game. Yes the arena might have been secure, but they created a huge soft target when leaving. I felt naked until I was away from that place. Some nut jobs going to figure this out about arena's being a soft targets after the event eventually.

Maybe I'm in a minority but I'm always extremely aware of my surrounding. I always know where the exits are located and keep an eye out for someone acting strange. Exiting Vivent unnerved me a little, I didn't like being such an obvious target and feeling helpless. It's not like downtown isn't already filled with a bunch of whacko's.

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[BasinCruiser]

It's amazing how people that see something wrong in society think that they can correct that wrong by instituting more control fail to recognize and admit that their policies often do the opposite of what they intended to do. Lack of affordable housing in an area - let's set rent pricing limits, but fail to acknowledge that eventually only makes the rent market even worse for low income. People can't survive living earning minimum wage - let's increase minimum wage rates, but ignore the fact that this causes reduction in minimum wage hours and jobs, making it even harder for workers in that market to get sufficient means, and hurt those above earning mim wage because they don't get any wage increases either because all of the revenue went to min wage increase. Terrorist threat (or fear of one) of attacking a sports stadium - let's just screen everyone coming into the stadium and not let them carry guns into the stadium, and ignore the fact that now a wacko knows that all of those people in the stadium are unarmed and are a soft target and a big bull's eye for mass of people leaving the stadium when the event is over.

[Sombeech]

she will never go anywhere that people carry firearms....
That's what SHE thinks

[Scott Card]

I was in Philadelphia this past weekend at a National School Board convention. On my spare time I chose to visit many historical sites like Valley Forge, multiple museums about the Revolutionary war and the constitution, Independence Hall, the grave of the unknown soldier of The American Revolution, and more. On the last day of the convention in the very last class, which happened to be on school safety, strategies and school designs to protect our school children, a comment was made that stunned me. A gentleman from Washington state said something like this:

"I am from Washington State, a progressive state. I have been sitting in classes all weekend and I am shocked that not one time have I heard anyone talk about "sensible" gun control measures like more bans on bump stocks and other weapons. Not once! Why are we not talking about sensible gun control! That is how we will protect our children." He said some other things along those same lines.

There was a momentary hush that came over class until a school board member, who was also a cop, spoke out. He said, "I'm from Arizona and I am a cop. I don't agree with anything you just said." Then a lady from some where else piped up and said, "Yeah, I agree with the cop". Then another gentleman said, "I am from Wyoming. We have small schools and few police officers. I can promise you (and he paused and mustered some emotion) I can promise you, there will be guns in our schools and we are arming our teachers."

The moderators of the discussion had to get control of the class and said that the gun issue is a local issue and should be discussed locally. That short exchange was by far the most entertaining part of my three day conference. From those that spoke up and the reactions of those who didn't, it appeared that the majority were against gun control. My take away is that there are those who just don't get it and there are those who do.

Fun fact - It is interesting that one of the things that irritated the colonists was the Iron Act of 1750. It was a law that would not let the colonists produce finished iron products like muskets and swords as well as other day to day iron products that were widely used. The Act stated that the colonists could only produce pig iron and cast iron and were forced to ship it to England where finished iron products were produced then sent back to America and sold to the colonists. The stated purpose was to keep British citizens employed in the iron industry but they had no raw material to produce iron. That Act didn't sit well with the colonists and many ignored the law. This law was one of many that sparked the revolution. That good 'ole American defiance of restrictions on freedom was one reason that muskets, cannons and ammo were not a problem for the colonists. We had iron ore, limestone and wood in abundance. That meant muskets, cannons and ammo.

[rockgremlin]

^^^That single dude from Washington was a vocal minority -- and a metaphor for how our society behaves towards guns IMO. I think most folks either support the 2nd amendment or are neutral, and a minority are for strict gun control. Unfortunately, it is this small minority that dominates the media. Kinda like Adam Sandler's character in The Wedding Singer: "Well, I have the microphone and you don't...so you WILL LISTEN TO EVERY WORD I HAVE TO SAY!"

[Scott Card]

It was also telling to me when he said "not one single word has been said about gun control at this conference..." My thought was, Exactly! The significance and responsibility of the 2nd Amendment is profound. To have the right to carry a weapon and then to actually carry a weapon is extraordinarily powerful and has a chilling effect on anyone at any level who wants to exert power over that person. It also has a powerfully chilling effect on anyone who wants to abuse the right to possess, carry and use a weapon.

[Sombeech]

A gentleman from Washington state said something like this:

"I am from Washington State, a progressive state. I have been sitting in classes all weekend and I am shocked that not one time have I heard anyone talk about "sensible" gun control measures like more bans on bump stocks and other weapons. Not once! Why are we not talking about sensible gun control! That is how we will protect our children." He said some other things along those same lines.

Can you imagine living a life, or having a frame of mind, where you've been told that bump stocks are what's killing the kids in schools? A first reaction may be to laugh at the guy and call him stupid and ridiculous. But it might be more proper to feel pity and sorrow for these people. They've been lied to, for profit. CNN tells people that once bump stocks are illegal, Assault Rifles will not have as much killing power. He's probably not a bad guy, he wants to keep his kids safe too, but he's been fed poison, and thinks it's vitamins.

Good for the school board member.

[Iceaxe]

:-)
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[tallsteve]

WOW!!!! You can see this bad guy drop.

https://kutv.com/news/local/shots-fired-at-matheson-courthouse-police-responding

[Iceaxe]

Damn!

[twotimer]

Don't screw with the cops, especially when there's a whole bunch of 'em. Looks like a suicide to me.

Jeez, I'd much rather jump off a 1200 ft. cliff than get all shot up.

[Iceaxe]

Armed citizen stops kidnapping of Phoenix girl

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kidnapping-of-phoenix-girl-11-scuttled-by-witness-with-handgun-report?fbclid=IwAR36uebYrbT72rcvQ-5cfTUaEPU3S0Hvffzru0h3THF-UXusNsXe2A23VxE#

[BasinCruiser]

Why do citizens need to be armed in today’s “civilized, progressive “ society? When you’re an elderly person that is being mugged and beaten up in broad daylight just outside McD’s, the pansy idiotic witnesses can only do one thing- sit inside and record the show on their iPhone, and do nothing to help. But only freak out when that victim pulls out a gun to defend himself. What a pathetic despicable society we live in today.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/chicago-teens-attack-security-guard-then-he-pulls-his-gun/

[BasinCruiser]

Fathers got to be proud.

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http://concealednation.org/2019/04/son-saves-family-of-6-takes-out-armed-home-invader-with-head-shot-while-sisters-hide-in-closet/

[BasinCruiser]

I’ve only hung out in the on-line gun community for about a year or so. Whenever someone brings up questions about why their shooting is off, they often ask what trigger they should get to help their marksmanship. Most often , the reply is that the real root cause of their bad shooting is lack of training, grip position, site picture and alignment, and finger position on the trigger. I think that there may be times you also should check the alignment of the ‘sights’.

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[Sombeech]

I’ve only hung out in the on-line gun community for about a year or so. Whenever someone brings up questions about why their shooting is off, they often ask what trigger they should get to help their marksmanship. Most often , the reply is that the real root cause of their bad shooting is lack of training, grip position, site picture and alignment, and finger position on the trigger. I think that there may be times you also should check the alignment of the ‘sights’.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u5A0H6PkqE

[BruteForce]

WOW!!!! You can see this bad guy drop.

https://kutv.com/news/local/shots-fired-at-matheson-courthouse-police-responding

My nephew is South Salt Lake PD (scene of this shooting) and even he said it was excessive. Not a single round was fired by South Salt Lake PD, though it was in their jurisdiction. Way excessive and those cops had each other in their fields of fire, its surprising there wasn't a blue-on-blue incident. Finally, that last cop hiding behind the passenger mini-van could have put that family in jeopardy had the suspect returned any fire that direction. Super careless on the part of UPD, UHP and the other responding agencies.

[Iceaxe]

I was not impressed with the takedown.

[Scott Card]

92479

Thanks for this. It totally made my day. :roflol::facepalm1::lol8::roflol:

[twotimer]

http://www.bogley.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=92479&d=1555434881

This guy experienced a real life "Jules and Vincent".

Bonus points to whoever knows what I'm referring to...

[Iceaxe]

This guy experienced a real life "Jules and Vincent".

Bonus points to whoever knows what I'm referring to...

My wife's favorite movie of all time...

[Goat]

Are we all just going to sit here and ignore the endless cross-eyed jokes?

[twotimer]

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[Iceaxe]

Washington homeowner shoots, kills burglary suspect while on the phone with 911

https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-homeowner-shoots-kills-burglary-suspect-while-on-the-phone-with-911-police-say

[Scott Card]

Victim (ccp holder) of would-be carjacking in Chicago legally defends himself. Carjacker dead.

https://wgntv.com/2019/04/26/concealed-carry-holder-fatally-shoots-attempted-carjacker-after-crash-in-loop-police-say/

[Iceaxe]

From April 29 – May 4, 1992, Korean-American immigrants in Los Angeles were defending their homes, and businesses from being destroyed, and looted by rioting thugs, after the Police, and Government abandoned them, following the Rodney King Verdict.

The Koreans took positions on their roofs, and behind equipment, and armed themselves with firearms, and defended what they had built, the lives they had made, and all they had achieved in their adoptive home.

All the neighborhoods around them burned, Koreatown remained untouched.

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[Iceaxe]

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190501/7b69460bc02b3b05f609e8e6795ef1db.jpg

[Iceaxe]

I think there may be some kind of correlation here....

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[Iceaxe]

#NRA

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[oldno7]

Houston pastor, his wife shoot, kill armed intruder, police sayhttps://www.click2houston.com/news/husband-and-wife-shoot-kill-armed-intruder-police-say

[tallsteve]

Not armed but, brave. Thank you young man and future Marine!

Colorado teen who plans to become Marine tackled suspected shooter


https://www.yahoo.com/news/colorado-teen-plans-become-marine-140304427.html

[BasinCruiser]

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[bertha]

I totally agreehttp://juragan.club/assets/5/o.png

[Iceaxe]

Venezuela is a poster child of gun control gone wrong

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/cliff-maloney-venezuela-is-a-poster-child-of-gun-control-gone-wrong#

[Iceaxe]

I'm sure the cops would have arrived in 20 or 30 minutes....

Woman shoots and kills intruder.

https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/woman-shoots-kills-intruder-at-her-kaufman-county-home/287-e2a87343-fbf0-4a39-9f86-9779e34e1926

[oldno7]

This store clerk was fired for defending himself and employer.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=koZGZ_1558724871

Would-be robber shows hatchet, clerk pulls out gun

[BasinCruiser]

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[rockgremlin]

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^^^THIS IS HILARIOUS :roflol:

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Foreplay - either I’m missing something or doing something wrong, or this guy is. Who involves a loaded weapon when getting jiggy with it?

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https://www.kxxv.com/news/national/florida-man-accidentally-shoots-kills-woman-during-foreplay-deputies-say

Makes one really have to question, was the victim really complicit in the foreplay, or was this an attempted rape that the victim didn’t comply with?

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha....
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[BasinCruiser]

Hahaha....
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Make that last word in that last sentence a variable and you have the epitome of the socialist mind, today. I can’t be responsible for my own......choices, education, priorities, self improvement, finances, housing, sustenance, healthcare, being a productive member of society.... Attributes that most people used to pride themselves on, they see as ‘oppression ‘.

[BasinCruiser]

When a liberal finally gives guns a try.

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[BasinCruiser]

Talk about overkill. Who needs that many keys?

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[Sandstone Addiction]

This is a tough one...I realize I don't know all the facts, but from what has been stated in the news, I don't think I would personally resort to using deadly force in this situation. What do y'all think?

Deadly Provo shooting: Friends, family puzzle over man's final moments


https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900074268/deadly-provo-shooting-friends-family-puzzle-over-mans-final-moments.html


PROVO — Those who worshipped and drank coffee with Jeremy Sorensen had the same thought when they learned he was shot and killed by a passerby who had spotted him in a violent struggle with a woman.

"This can't be our Jeremy. This isn't him," said Troy Walker, a pastor at Redeemer Church in Orem, where the 26-year-old Sorensen was a member.

Walker and Steven McKinley, also a member of the congregation, remember their friend was social and upbeat, even if anxious at times. He had not had an easy start in life, they said.
As police wrapped up their investigation Thursday, Sorensen's friends and family members said the authorities' account of the last moments of his life does not line up with the Jeremy they knew.

About 8 p.m. Monday, Sorensen and an 18-year-old acquaintance were fighting in the driveway of an apartment complex, Provo police said, when a driver in his 20s got out of his car and told Sorensen to stop, warning he would shoot. The gunman shot Sorensen twice, including once in the chest, said Provo Sgt. Nisha King, and Sorensen died later at a hospital. She declined to release the name of the gunman, who she said has cooperated with investigators.

The woman was treated for a concussion and hip injuries consistent with being repeatedly punched and kicked. Police withheld her name and have not said how she and Sorensen knew each other or what led to the violence.

On Thursday, Sorensen's cousin, Mike Olson, said Sorensen sometimes struggled to process things due to a brain injury he sustained early in life.

"He would not have acted out violently if he was not provoked," Olson said in an email. "I hope that through a thorough investigation the police will be able to figure out what led to this. Jeremy has been described by friends as childlike, which is very accurate. He wasn't an intimidating or imposing person, but rather gentle."

Sorensen's church friends recalled him as a skeptic who loved to read and worked multiple jobs, both in construction and fast-food restaurants. He was adopted by a Utah County family after a time in foster care and sometimes visited his birth mother in Texas, they said, part of an effort to come to terms with his complex family life.


McKinley often tried to get a rise out of Sorensen by making off-color jokes, but found his friend was unflappable.
"I never saw him out of control," McKinley said.

Walker, the pastor, noticed some of Sorensen's traits mirrored those of his own adoptive brother.

"It helped me put who Jeremy was in context," Walker said. "It would help me see past some of that initial awkwardness or initial quietness, to see who he was at his core."
Sorensen spent time with Walker and others in the congregation at coffee shops, their homes and at church, and would crack jokes and challenge others to think critically about their faith.

Walker, who is from Texas, noted Provo is home to very few black residents. But he said he could not be sure if race had played a role in the shooting.
"If race did play a role, I don't believe it was that the shooter disliked African-Americans. I believe it would have to do with fear of the unknown," he said.

Sorensen's brother, Joseph Sorensen, said in a statement he suspects the woman from that fateful encounter is the same woman who he says had been harassing his brother for about a year.

"We certainly wish the shooter would have pulled out a phone rather than a gun. We also wish Jeremy had called the police before ending up in a fight with this woman but we wonder if it would have turned out any better if he had — especially if it was the woman who has been harassing him," the statement reads.

Sorensen's adoptive family raised him in Tooele along with eight siblings, and he attended then-Dixie State College for a time before working on an organic farm in Arizona, according to an online obituary. He loved fishing, "Lord of the Rings" and comic con, and leaves behind his own young son being raised by an adoptive family with whom he had a positive relationship. His funeral is scheduled for Friday morning.

About the same time, Utah County Attorney David Leavitt will meet with Provo police to review their investigation. There is no deadline on a possible decision to file criminal charges against the gunman, Leavitt told the Deseret News, but his office will work at a "reasonable pace."

"I want to see the whole picture," Leavitt said. His approach won't be "to look for hate crimes where they may not be there, but to be willing to be open to the possibility, if you see evidence of that. This is a fair and balanced analysis."

Leavitt said it's his job to protect civil order and guard against vigilante justice, but also to recognize that people have a right and maybe an obligation to help victims of crimes.

One main question, he said, is Sorensen's mental state.

"What was he doing with this victim? Was he trying to kill her? That has to be a relevant question to answer the question of whether there was justification to shoot," Leavitt said.

Utah's self-defense law stipulates that people are justified in using deadly force if they reasonably believe it is needed to prevent death or serious injury to themselves or others. Such violence is justified when the threat stems from imminent, unlawful force, or if it's needed to prevent a forcible felony, Utah code states.

[uintafly]

Make that last word in that last sentence a variable and you have the epitome of the socialist mind, today. I can’t be responsible for my own......choices, education, priorities, self improvement, finances, housing, sustenance, healthcare, being a productive member of society.... Attributes that most people used to pride themselves on, they see as ‘oppression ‘.


Just wondering what your stance is on things like death with dignity, drug legalization, Utah alcohol rules, gay marriage etc?

[middlefork]

This is a tough one...I realize I don't know all the facts, but from what has been stated in the news, I don't think I would personally resort to using deadly force in this situation. What do y'all think?
Utah's self-defense law stipulates that people are justified in using deadly force if they reasonably believe it is needed to prevent death or serious injury to themselves or others. Such violence is justified when the threat stems from imminent, unlawful force, or if it's needed to prevent a forcible felony, Utah code states.

I guess it would depend on if I could stand by and watch a man (generally bigger and stronger) beat up a woman (generally smaller and weaker) while calling 911 and then get my camera going to record the action so that it can be determined that the man was indeed meaning to create serious injury to the woman.

A passerby as I understand it, saw the struggle and decided to interrupt it. It was reported that he shouted to the man to stop and that he refused to obey.His choice became to engage in a physical hands on approach or a more distanced approach. He chose the later.

I don't think anyone has the real story because on the surface he was completely justified in his action.

It's too bad he will put through the ringer and spend a lot of money to defend himself. If that is a hassle you don't want to go through perhaps you should rethink your reason to carry. Is it only ok to use deadly force if it is your immediate family?

[rockgremlin]

Just wondering what your stance is on things like death with dignity, drug legalization, Utah alcohol rules, gay marriage etc?

I know you didn't ask me personally, but I'll insert my stance anyway. I'm pretty liberal on all these points: Pro euthanasia, pro MJ legalization, I advocate for gay rights, and think utah's liquor laws stink.

But to balance that out I am a strong advocate of constitutional carry gun laws, and believe in tighter immigration policies.

I think that makes me a Republicrat. :mrgreen:

What about yourself?

[twotimer]

I know you didn't ask me personally, but I'll insert my stance anyway. I'm pretty liberal on all these points: Pro euthanasia, pro MJ legalization, I advocate for gay rights, and think utah's liquor laws stink.

But to balance that out I am a strong advocate of constitutional carry gun laws, and believe in tighter immigration policies.

I think that makes me a Republicrat. :mrgreen:

What about yourself?Sounds good, man. I'll throw down some big stuff too...

Euthanasia? Oh yeah...I've got a spot all picked out to huck myself off when it's time to check out. As long as I can get there...1200ft, the crows and critters have have the juicy bits. My bones will be crushed to dust and washed down the Colorado River Basin. However, If I can get a shot that let's me die in my sleep, that is certainly an alternative.

MJ?...mixed bag on that. I kinda recuse myself.

Gay stuff? Let 'em get married if they want...who the hell cares otherwise? I also don't care one bit about who someone is boinking...so if they're going to scream about "discrimination"...then screw them. My ears turn off...I may even work against them if I get annoyed enough.

Guns? Oh yeah.

Shoulda thew abortion in there too, Mr. Fly.

[twotimer]

In regards to Mr. Sorensen...I would have kicked his ass if that appeared to be a certain win. Otherwise, if he didn't stop, I shoot him in the ass. I wouldn't shoot to kill unless he was coming at me. Also, I don't think it would have been wise to just "film" this girl getting beat up or wait for the cops...he could smash her skull.

[Iceaxe]

Ice's words of wisdom.....

Don't start a fight you can't win...

Or

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight...

YMMV

[Sombeech]

That's quite the unfortunate story, so many alternative routes could have been taken.

Without knowing the story behind the struggle, why go for the kill? If you MUST shoot your gun, how about a warning shot, or at the very last straw, shoot the guy in the lower leg. But going for the kill?

What if he had just found out the girl had stolen 10K from his grandmother, or molested his child, or had run over a pedestrian while driving and texting? Still no justification to beat a woman as described, but there had to be some motive for this "reasonable" man to lose it.

The shooter could very well be charged with manslaughter if they find a certain backstory that would justify this "calm" man to get upset.

[oldno7]

GRANDPA Of Teen Killed In Home Invasion Says AR-15 Gave Homeowner “Unfair Advantage”

Last week, a 21-year-old Elizabeth Rodriguez allegedly waited in a vehicle outside, while three Oklahoma teenagers, 17-year old Jacob Redfearn, 19-year old Maxwell Cook and 16-year old Jake Woodruff, broke into a Wagoner County house. Investigators say the 21-year-old Rodriguez planned the home invasion. All three teens were shot and killed by the homeowner’s son.

Now the grandfather of one of the teenagers is speaking out about his grandson’s death.

https://100percentfedup.com/grandpa-of-teen-killed-in-home-invasion-says-ar-15-gave-homeowner-unfair-advantage-video/

[oldno7]

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[uintafly]

I know you didn't ask me personally, but I'll insert my stance anyway. I'm pretty liberal on all these points: Pro euthanasia, pro MJ legalization, I advocate for gay rights, and think utah's liquor laws stink.

But to balance that out I am a strong advocate of constitutional carry gun laws, and believe in tighter immigration policies.

I think that makes me a Republicrat. :mrgreen:

What about yourself?

I think technically it makes you a libertarian. Me too, for what it's worth. I know it's like pissing into the wind, but if we could somehow break the 2 party stranglehold on our politics I may be able to once day vote for someone who represents what I think. For me most of the time I am voting for the slightly better than option. I think Trump is a conman and a crook, but most of the current crop of dems would like to enact all sorts of policies that would take my money and give it to others, and I am selfish and want to keep most of what I earn. I have no problem paying for community improvements like roads, security, libraries, schools, parks, etc. but draw the line somewhere to the right of paying off other peoples student loans and college tuition. The dems seem to have gone all in and telling people that everything wrong with their lives is the fault of billionaires and that they deserve the government to step in and give them everything for free.

[rockgremlin]

Yeah I've never understood the concept that since billionaires exist that I'm somehow owed something more than what I earned of my own accord.

The billionaires aren't the problem.

If all those folks out there advocating for a 70% tax on the rich were somehow made filthy rich overnight do you think they would change their minds? Or would they still agree to pay 70% of all their income to the government? Ya, right. :roll:

The rich aren't the problem -- entitlements are the problem. If you're not satisfied with your current financial situation, step up and do something about it instead of putting on a Robin Hood mask and trying to evoke financial equality via stealing from the rich.

[twotimer]

Robin Hood is bigger than Jesus.

[Sombeech]

Yeah I've never understood the concept that since billionaires exist that I'm somehow owed something more than what I earned of my own accord.

The billionaires aren't the problem.

If all those folks out there advocating for a 70% tax on the rich were somehow made filthy rich overnight do you think they would change their minds? Or would they still agree to pay 70% of all their income to the government? Ya, right. :roll:

The rich aren't the problem -- entitlements are the problem. If you're not satisfied with your current financial situation, step up and do something about it instead of putting on a Robin Hood mask and trying to evoke financial equality via stealing from the rich.

There was some petition somewhere/some time recent for the WalMart employees to ban together and cut down the CEO and top management salaries, to make them more equal.

So let's say you've got a salary of 5 MIL, and you've got 50k employees, you give each of them 100 bucks, and you're down to zero. So every one of your employees got $100 richer FOR THE WHOLE YEAR and you've got no salary. Problem solved?

People need to stop thinking that because somebody has a lot of money, there's less for everybody else. It's false. And this theory will ruin the economy.

[Iceaxe]

People need to stop thinking that because somebody has a lot of money, there's less for everybody else. It's false. And this theory will ruin the economy.

^^^THIS^^^

unfortunately a large number of people don't understand basic economics... including many in Congress.

[twotimer]

There are MILLIONS of people in our country that are definitively poor...by USA standards, at least. But there are many millions more that have a lot of nice stuff. You know what happens to a plate of cupcakes that's brought into a 3rd grade classroom? It disappears, and they want more.

A girlfriend of mine proclaimed herself a communist, and I said "Good luck with that, because you guys aren't getting jack shit." She laughed and said "Well, you can't stop a girl from trying". Can't stop any of them, really.

You know what's funny? You can get rich "representing" these people.

[uintafly]

You know what's funny? You can get rich "representing" these people.

It is kind of ironic that when they do get rich they don't immediately donate all their dough to the poor. The fact that Bernie doesn't see the irony in this quote is hilarious, “I wrote a best-selling book. If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too,”

Replace writing a book with starting a business or investing in real estate though and suddenly it doesn't count. lol

[BasinCruiser]

92855

[BasinCruiser]

What’s better than paying extortion money to the Mafia for ‘protection ‘? When the government does it for you. Who needs to be armed when the bad guys are paid to not rob you?
92878
”The Richmond program utilizes a team of pseudo-social workers, typically former convicts, monitor high risk individuals and pitch them to join the program and eschew violence.In Richmond, the stipend for high risk individuals giving up violent activity ranges from $300 to $1,00 each month, depending on their progression in reaching personal and professional goals, Mother Jones reported.”




http://sjvsun.com/news/fresno/fresnos-new-idea-to-stop-gang-shootings-pay-the-shooter/

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha... so my daughter just sent this to me...

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[twotimer]

Yep...and you should be proud.

[BasinCruiser]

92889

[middlefork]

That's quite the unfortunate story, so many alternative routes could have been taken.

Without knowing the story behind the struggle, why go for the kill? If you MUST shoot your gun, how about a warning shot, or at the very last straw, shoot the guy in the lower leg. But going for the kill?

What if he had just found out the girl had stolen 10K from his grandmother, or molested his child, or had run over a pedestrian while driving and texting? Still no justification to beat a woman as described, but there had to be some motive for this "reasonable" man to lose it.

The shooter could very well be charged with manslaughter if they find a certain backstory that would justify this "calm" man to get upset.

Later reports indicate that witnesses said the guy started approaching the shooter after he ceased beating the woman.

Sorry if you are going to pull a gun your mentality should be to end the threat period. Warning shots and wounding shots are only good on TV. If you are not shooting center mass you are not training right.

[rockgremlin]

92889


:roflol::roflol::roflol:

[BasinCruiser]

92912

[tallsteve]

Sorry if you are going to pull a gun your mentality should be to end the threat period. Warning shots and wounding shots are only good on TV. If you are not shooting center mass you are not training right.

Yep. This. Even with center of mass shooting, your target can still fight. There are so many videos out there of shooting victims still physically staying in the fight for 30+ seconds even after getting shot in the heart. Keep shooting until the threat is down and neutralized. Never fire warning shots (you are responsible for every round fired. Where is that warning shot going?) and never shoot to wound.

[twotimer]

"It's a hell of a thing killing a man. You take all he's got, and everything he's ever going to have".

Bill Munny.

[Iceaxe]

Platinum level quote :-)

[Sombeech]

We are all taught the proper way to stop a threat in the concealed carry course, but it sure can be different when you've got a gun pointed at somebody. Suddenly the thought comes that this person has just made a mistake, maybe they're drunk or high, maybe something traumatic just happened to them, and I'm going to kill them for it, speaking from experience.

But I agree, if it's to protect somebody while the attacker is in the act, do what you must. But you'll have to live with it. They never follow up with the shooter to see how they're doing a year later.

[Iceaxe]

Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended.

Four ruffians break into my house.

"What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle.

Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot.

Draw my pistol on the second man, misses him entirely because it's smooth-bore and nails the neighbor's dog.

I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot.

"Tally ho lads!" The grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms.

Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion.

Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up.

Just as the founding fathers intended.

#July4th #USA #TallyHoLads

[Scott Card]

"Rapscallion" will be added to my vocabulary once I have perfected the proper usage of "miscreant".

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190704/4568f318944bddeb5d3325b9b48e1b0b.jpg

[BruteForce]

I hosted a 6 person CCW class at my house last night. CCW's for everyone, including my wife and youngest son! #winning #2A4ever #gunsdontkill

[Iceaxe]

A 7-Eleven customer stopped a potentially deadly robbery in Virginia Beach this morning when he used his firearm to defend against masked, armed men who stormed the store.

"Thank God for that guy," said a customer. "I want to thank that guy personally. I want to buy him a steak dinner."

https://wset.com/news/local/police-gun-toting-customer-shot-two-men-robbing-7-eleven-killing-one

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[Iceaxe]

Define Irony....

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[Iceaxe]

Hard pass...

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[BasinCruiser]

93140

[BasinCruiser]

93142

[Iceaxe]

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[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qgxn9LbPig&feature=youtu.be

[Sombeech]

93142


I get it, making a great point, but that gun can be snatched away from that chick so damned fast. Not to mention the public disturbance she's causing. Sure, educating the people is a good cause, but that's a lot of chaos to cause by choosing to educate them that way.

Her performance needs to be absolutely spot on perfect to pull off that demonstration, and that can be exhausting. She'll slip up at one point, and that's where the plan will go south, and possibly evolve into hindering our rights to open carry.

[Iceaxe]

^^^Good luck trying to snatch that gun away... that's a good way to get shot.

It's better to have and not need than it is to need and not have....

YMMV

Climb-Utah.com

[BruteForce]

^^^Good luck trying to snatch that gun away... that's a good way to get shot.

It's better to have and not need than it is to need and not have....

YMMV

Climb-Utah.com

Concur, but that being stated, she could have chosen a better holster..

[BasinCruiser]

Salute to the pregnant wife. Job well done.

93405

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2019/11/01/victim-of-violent-home-invasion-speaks--credits-wife-with-saving-his-life

[BasinCruiser]

:stud::flag::flag::flag:


93586


https://tribunist.com/news/americans-bought-enough-guns-on-black-friday-to-arm-the-marine-corps-yet-again/?utm_source=zulu

[BasinCruiser]

93607


How pro-2A are you? I find nothing wrong with this.

[BasinCruiser]

93628

[twotimer]

93628Funny thing about this...I wouldn't be bothered at all. However there are those that would absolutely freak out.

I was on the board of my HOA here for many years and we had a young couple come in to complain about our "security guard"...it's a pretty safe neighborhood, so his job is to mostly ticket cars that haven't moved. He cruises thru one a week...move it or we'll tow it type thing. Anyway, he's armed...along with the shirt, belt, boots and other cop like accoutrements.

The couple were bothered with his firearm. "Can't he do his job without the gun?" they asked. All five of us literally laughed them out of the room. Never saw them again.

[Iceaxe]

Funny thing is I would actually feel a little safer seeing that guy sitting at the counter of a restaurant I was dining it.

It's always nice to know you won't have to face a violent threat alone :-)

Climb-Utah.com

[Scott Card]

Charlize Theron's mom shot and killed her husband in self defense.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/charlize-theron-details-night-her-003114363.html

[BasinCruiser]

“Gun rights = female empowerment = gender equality. “ - No feminazy ever.

93687

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/thugs-try-mugging-a-man-in-broad-daylight-meet-his-armed-wife-instead/

[BasinCruiser]

He didn’t want to have the same fate as the UPS driver. Sucks that he’ll likely lose his job due to violating FedEx no weapons policies on the job just for saving his life.


93689

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/17/report-fedex-driver-fatally-shoots-robbery-suspect-during-package-delivery/

[Iceaxe]

Better to be alive with no job then employed and dead. But I'm sure many on the left would disagree with that.

YMMV

Climb-Utah.com

[Iceaxe]

This is my favorite stat so far of 2019. I always love it when some dumbass liberal asks me... "What are you going to do if the government comes for your guns?" :ne_nau:

My standard reply is "I'll hand them over bullets first." :lol8:

American Civilians Bought More Guns Than It Would Need To Arm The Marine Corps, On Black Friday

https://life.shared.com/american-guns-need-arm-marine-corps-black-friday-sale-nra-gun-violence

:assault:

[BasinCruiser]

Another hero good guy with a gun saves the day. Get ready for a 2 week onslaught of MSM coverage of interviews with the guy that took down the shooter, and debates on what kind and caliber of gun is best to use for CCW self defense in these situations- or, not. YMMV.

93752

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/report-one-person-killed-2-critically-injured-texas-church/CU2SVOWT4NECNJUKWNFR5V6NCY/

[BasinCruiser]

93753

[dougrz]

Wow, awesome to see security in action. I was on sec duty for my congregation for a while. Really sobering. Our sec detail attended a few confabs organized by the county sheriff. The risks are no joke. I had to mentally prepare myself to take someone down. 3 of us were armed, but nothing ever happened.

But it certainly can.

[BasinCruiser]

http://youtu.be/s5NzuGSkL2E (https://youtu.be/s5NzuGSkL2E)

[BasinCruiser]

93759

[Iceaxe]

I've always been a believer that there are three types of people. Sheep, wolves and sheep dogs, which are you :-)

The guy on the right is definitely a sheep dog.

Climb-Utah.com

[Iceaxe]

C'mon we can do better...


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200118/2c095d885c03faac944e0856891a04d6.jpg

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[BasinCruiser]

“Police should only have the ability to shoot criminals” - Bloomberg


I wonder what the cop that was assisted by this armed citizen would have to say about that.

93868



https://concealednation.org/2020/01/armed-citizen-shoots-and-kills-suspect-who-ambushed-and-shot-state-trooper-on-highway/

[oldno7]

C'mon we can do better...




I turned all mine into mitt romney to avoid the back up at his door later.

[BasinCruiser]

This could have ended so much better if she didn’t have that blasted gun on her. :crazy:


93870


https://tribunist.com/news/man-pulls-knife-and-rope-on-real-estate-agent-at-open-house-she-draws-her-gun/?utm_source=zulu&fbclid=IwAR2H7nEsCqjqQEDPwIwWkF9GFickbyid5aL0UzT6W MCmzP3fLd2i76Qs-rU

[BasinCruiser]

An elderly Florida lady did her shopping and, upon returning to her car, found four males in the act of leaving with her vehicle.


She dropped her shopping bags and drew her handgun, proceeding to scream at the top of her lungs, “I have a gun, and I know how to use it! Get out of the car!”. The four men didn't wait for a second threat. They got out and ran like mad.


The lady, somewhat shaken, then proceeded to load her shopping bags into the back of the car and got into the driver’s seat. She was so shaken that she could not get her key into the ignition.


She tried and tried, and then she realized why. It was for the same reason she had wondered why there was a football, a Frisbee and two 12-packs of beer in the front seat. A few minutes later, she found her own car parked four or five spaces farther down.


She loaded her bags into the car and drove to the police station to report her mistake.


The sergeant to whom she told the story couldn't stop laughing. He pointed to the other end of the counter, where four pale men were reporting a car jacking by a mad, elderly woman described as white, less than five feet tall, glasses, curly white hair, and carrying a large handgun.


No charges were filed.


The moral of the story?


If you’re going to have a senior moment… make it memorable.


Share this with all your friends to give them a good laugh 😁😁

[BasinCruiser]

How to tell if someone is a Republican, a Democrat, or just a Southerner.

Are you a Republican, a Democrat, or a Southerner? This little test will help you decide:
You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.
Suddenly, a Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges at you…
You are carrying a Kimber 1911 chambered in .45 ACP, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?
******************************
Democrat’s Answer:
Well, that’s not enough information to answer the question! What is a Kimber 1911 and what does .45 ACP mean?
Does the man look poor or oppressed? Is he really a terrorist? Am I guilty of profiling? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation?
Does the pistol have an appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he’d be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted? Can we make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior?
I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus. This is all so confusing!
******************************
Republican’s Answer:
BANG!
******************************
Southerner’s Answer:
BANG!
BANG! BANG!
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Click…..
(Sounds of reloading)
BANG!
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
BANG!
Click.
Daughter: “Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Speer Gold Dots or Federal Premium hollow points?!”
Son: “Can I shoot the next one?!”
Wife: “You are NOT taking that to a Taxidermist!”

[Iceaxe]

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[BasinCruiser]

Dear Nancy,

Thank you for doing your part to help make America safer.

Sincerely,

DiFi



94087


https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/year-impeachment-guns-bought-time-us-history

[BasinCruiser]

Who here has been talking to Mad Maxine? :roflol:


94097

[oldno7]

Well---since EVERY single gun owner walked out of a gun store, I guess theres no need to push further background checks.

If they had a gun--they went through a rigorous background check(NICS)

Maybe she needs to leave her lavish house and hang out in the hood and see if the criminals are using NICS.

Or maybe quit pretending and sponsor a bill to ban ALL guns.

[BasinCruiser]

^^ based on her comment, I bet the only gun owner she ever talked to Lives in the hood, and never passed a background check, nor was ever in a gun shop that was an FFL

[BasinCruiser]

Hah. Told ya the only gun owners she’s ever talked to were in the hood.


94104

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/21/maxine-waters-defends-crips-bloods-in-the-hood-as-/

[Iceaxe]

Utah lawmakers shoot down slew of gun bills
https://www.ksl.com/article/46721850/utah-lawmakers-shoot-down-slew-of-gun-bills

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T377A using Tapatalk

[BasinCruiser]

Story is a couple years old. Still waiting for feminist nazis to come out in support of this woman for standing up for and protecting herself from toxic masculinity, patriarchy, and male privilege- in Seattle, of all places.


94147

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/motorcycle-rider-defends-herself-with-handgun-in-road-rage-attack/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=agora&utm_term=sh&utm_campaign=sh

[rockgremlin]

Story is a couple years old. Still waiting for feminist nazis to come out in support of this woman for standing up for and protecting herself from toxic masculinity, patriarchy, and male privilege- in Seattle, of all places.


94147

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/motorcycle-rider-defends-herself-with-handgun-in-road-rage-attack/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=agora&utm_term=sh&utm_campaign=sh

Gun hate > Feminist values

[BasinCruiser]

Constitutional Carry? Sounds like the #2A to me.

94174

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/3/5/21166410/carry-concealed-gun-utah-lawmaker-unveils-bill-to-drop-need-for-permit

[Iceaxe]

Constitutional carry has passed twice before in Utah and that asshat Herbert has vetoed it both times.

I can't wait until Herbert leaves office as I have him listed under "what a douche" in my contacts.

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[middlefork]

They are right. Only a new Governor will keep it from getting vetoed again. And I wouldn't rely on that.

[Iceaxe]

^^^Herbert is retiring... Utah will have a new Governor when 2021 rolls around.

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[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60078/IMG_1452_JPG-1302895.JPG

[middlefork]

^^^Herbert is retiring... Utah will have a new Governor when 2021 rolls around.

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I know that. So which candidate do you see signing it? Everyone I've seen seams to be a clone.

[Iceaxe]

I actually liked Huntsman when he was Governor. Probably not voting for Cox because that's who Herbert is endorsing.

I'll probably try to ask all the candidates I like about constitutional carry and see how they answer. Also watch who the NRA endorses.

FWIW - at the moment I'm hoping Kathleen Anderson replaces that asshat Ben McAdams in 4th district. That woman really likes guns :-)

Climb-Utah.com

[oldno7]

FWIW - at the moment I'm hoping Kathleen Anderson replaces that asshat Ben McAdams in 4th district. That woman really likes guns :-)

Climb-Utah.com

And mcadams really likes pelosi

[oldno7]

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/medium/124187.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Irony.... the people who say "you don't need that much ammo" are buying 500 rolls of toilet paper....

[oldno7]

And for a bit of silver lining to the incident, Jenison, Michigan gun shop Next Level Armament (https://www.facebook.com/nextlevelarmament/posts/2779167352190752?__tn__=-R) hooked Wayne up on Wednesday with an actual AR-14, a gun which figuratively did not exist until this week.
https://news.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Detriot-Auto-Worker-in-Biden-Gun-Video-Gets-a-New-AR-14-1.jpg
Boom (Photo: Next Level Armament)
“When a patriot stands up for the 2a community it is a great thing, especially when he’s from the great state of Michigan,” said the company on social media. “But when @Jerry (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=24905)waynear14 got all up in @joeb (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=21480)iden ‘s feels, we decided we needed to get him taken care of. Next Level Armament AR-14 edition AR-15 lasered up by @armoryvalentine for our boy.”
Good job, Next Level, and keep up the fight, Jerry.

[oldno7]

I'm sure quid pro joe was talking about these

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/209321/DtVjKK1_jpg-1313639.JPG

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/DRsYVBy.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

Bonner County sounds like a great place to live. I bet the crime rate is very low.

94255


https://bonnercountydailybee.com/news/2020/mar/15/overzealous-gun-owners-kept-us-from-buying-home/

[Iceaxe]

I'd say the folks of Bonnar County dodged a bullet (haha...) when this California liberal transplant refused to move to the community.

I really wish some of these same types of people who moved to Utah and brought the left with them would move out. It always amazes me the number of people that move to Utah because they can no longer stand California, and then immediately try to implement everything they ran away from.... crazy...

Also in regards to the article above.... I'd suggest many news reporters are really not qualified to accurately report the facts... but that pesky 1st Amendment allows them the right to spew garbage.

Climb-Utah.com

[BasinCruiser]

Anyone in the market for offloading any guns? Gotta love capitalism.


“We have a request and we need your help. We have had more people than ever come down to purchase home-defense firearms, but unfortunately we're almost completely sold out. Our distributors are also mostly tapped out, so we're turning to you. If you have a shotgun, pistol caliber carbine, AR15, any suitable home defense style firearm you're willing to sell so that a fellow American can protect their family, we urge you to bring it down to us today or tomorrow. We're here until 5:30 today and Noon til 830pm tomorrow. Because of the number of firearms we are going through at this time we'd have to do consignment on these firearms. Bring them down, we'll work with you to set a fair price and when it sells we take a 20% cut. We understand a lot of people would never consider getting rid of a firearm at a time like this, but some of us have massive collections that could really help out a fellow American. Remember our history during WW2 when we rallied together and lent thousands of personally owned firearms to our UK allies!”


https://www.facebook.com/364960410274625/posts/2501175759986402/?d=n

[oldno7]

Panicked Leftists Surprised They Can’t Just Purchase a Gun Online Like They Were Told
Barack Obama spoke to mourners in Dallas in July 2016 after a Black Lives Matter activist gunned down several police officers.
Obama told the audience, “It is easier for a teenager to buy a glock than to get his hands on a computer or even a book.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/panicked-leftists-surprised-they-cant-just-purchase-a-gun-online-like-they-were-told/

[BasinCruiser]

~Redhawk~
This morning I lucked out and was able to buy two boxes of ammo cheap.
I placed the boxes on the front seat and headed back home. Stopped at a gas station where a drop-dead gorgeous blonde in a short skirt was filling up her car at the next pump.
She glanced at the two boxes of ammo, bent over and leaned in my passenger window, and said in a sexy voice
"I'm a big believer in barter, old fella. Would you be interested in trading S.E.X. for ammo?"
I thought for a few seconds and asked,
"What kind of ammo 'ya got?" :naughty:


94363

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/NZQjFHo.jpg

[oldno7]

most liberals won't get this.

https://i.imgur.com/ppuezBO.jpg

[Sandstone Addiction]

More WIN!

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20200329/florida-alert-us-dept-of-homeland-security-adds-gun-retailers-and-firearms-industry-to-essential-business-list-amid-coronavirus-outbreak

Alert! US Dept. of Homeland Security Adds Gun Retailers and Firearms industry to ‘Essential’ Business List Amid Coronavirus Outbreak



DATE:
March 29, 2020


TO:
USF & NRA Members and Friends


FROM:
Marion P. Hammer



USF Executive Director



NRA Past President





03.29.20 - The US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has included the gun industry in their 'critical infrastructure' advisory list during coronavirus crisis/Feds Add Gun Companies to ‘Essential’ Business List Amid Coronavirus Outbreak/

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DHS includes gun industry in 'critical infrastructure' advisory list during coronavirus crisis (Washington Examiner)
Feds Add Gun Companies to ‘Essential’ Business List Amid Coronavirus Outbreak (Washington Free Beacon)
NSSF Thanks Trump Administration for Firearms Industry Critical Infrastructure Designation (The Truth About Guns)
DHS Adds Workers for Gunmakers, Gun Retailers, and Shooting Ranges to "Essential Critical Infrastructure" List (Reason)

[oldno7]

Interesting thing--SL County doesn't list Firearms industry^^^^^^

https://img.ksl.com/slc/2779/277900/27790008.png

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/KPeDV5A.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^LOL The toilet paper rolls splashing out of her oversized bags are a nice touch. :lol8:

[BasinCruiser]

What’s the saying? One gun in your hand is better than 5 cops on the phone? Enter exhibit A.


94466

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/florida-woman-shoots-burglar-while-on-the-phone-with-911/

[oldno7]

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128895/sign_jpg-1350994.JPG

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[accadacca]

https://i.ibb.co/988C6mP/96-D3-FE16-D6-E6-425-E-84-DD-200-F0-F255670.jpg

[oldno7]

https://i.imgur.com/X68Mt5Z.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Judge tosses California law requiring background checks for ammunition

https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-tosses-california-law-ammunition-background-checks

[Iceaxe]

Where is the lame stream media's news coverage of this?

6 time felon killed in shootout with 13 year old boy during home invasion.

https://truthuncensored.net/6-time-felon/

[accadacca]

JUST IN: Assault-style weapons are banned in Canada effective immediately, the country's prime minister said Friday. The move comes less than two weeks after Canada's deadliest rampage in modern history.

"You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said at a news conference in Ottawa. "So, effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military-grade assault weapons in this country."

"These weapons were designed for one purpose, and one purpose only, to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time. There is no use and no place for such weapons in Canada," Trudeau said.

https://cnn.it/35nsjzH

[rockgremlin]

JUST IN: Assault-style weapons are banned in Canada effective immediately, the country's prime minister said Friday. The move comes less than two weeks after Canada's deadliest rampage in modern history.

"You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said at a news conference in Ottawa. "So, effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military-grade assault weapons in this country."

"These weapons were designed for one purpose, and one purpose only, to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time. There is no use and no place for such weapons in Canada," Trudeau said.

https://cnn.it/35nsjzH

What does that mean for folks who already own an assault rifle? Do they have to turn them in?

[accadacca]

What does that mean for folks who already own an assault rifle? Do they have to turn them in?I'm sure those tuff Canadians will say, "Come and get it."

[Iceaxe]

The only reason someone would try to take your black rifle is because they are about to do something you might shoot them for.

AR-15's are not designed to take down a deer... they are designed to stop tyranny.

I'm curious to see how this ends for Canada.

[middlefork]

Lets see.... 22 people in 12+ hours. I'm pretty sure even the dumbest SOB can figure out how to reload a single shot every half hour.
Genius

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

I wonder where she and her family would be today if Lauren McKluskey had been carrying.

94750

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/05/07/woman-shoots-ex-after-he-breaks-into-her-home-san-antonio-police-say/

[Iceaxe]

California liquor store owner uses AR-15 to protect his property from looters in George Floyd unrest

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-liquor-store-owner-uses-ar-15-to-protect-his-property-from-looters-in-george-floyd-unrest

Climb-Utah.com

[Iceaxe]

Truth...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200605/39b39b46e81a36333ab73875c88937ca.jpg

[Iceaxe]

...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200613/a88752901bf46d170f7e7578815e52de.jpg

[Iceaxe]

:-)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/a81eba2b49393d6170c66feeb80fb31b.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

Make sure your equipmentis is always in good functioning condition, that it properly fulfilled its purpose, and it fits the great you are carrying. This isn’ta time to use a rusted out screw driver as a chisel.

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94910


https://www.facebook.com/groups/155430211839647/permalink/572673530115311/


https://www.facebook.com/100016806514676/posts/722194475017430/?d=n

[rockgremlin]

:eek2::eek2: YIKES!!

That link appears to be dead, btw. Maybe it was hit with a stray bullet, LOL.

[Iceaxe]

Truth...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/7fa6a36ea120c4f34414ef6e10c55661.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

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I’m thinking the S&W D-vorce. Anyone else?

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[dougrz]

We all need to be stockpiling whatever gun related items. Be it components for reloading, or 22LR now that it's available and cheap, or purchases of hardware you've been putting off.

The 2nd Am is toast. Direct will be an SC ruling striking down Heller, sometime in the next 5 to 10 years. But indirect and quickly, like 2 to 3 years, will be liability. The industry will be bankrupted when Congress strips immunity in the case of illegal use next year.

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Hard truths, on both sides.


http://youtu.be/SsAB_IKIJNk

[Byron]

They're seeing just how far they can push it. We're in a civil war right now, actually.

It gets hot if we start shooting in residential areas and the thugs get passes large scale by the liberal DAs. Sounds contrary to logic, eh?...but with everybody flying by the seat of their pants these days it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

It truly is time to fortify your personal arsenal.

[BasinCruiser]

Congrats to the great citizens of Idaho. #2A Independence Day.

95022

https://gregpruett.com/constitutional-carry-in-idaho-now-for-all-americans/

[dougrz]

Congrats to the great citizens of Idaho. #2A Independence Day.

95022

https://gregpruett.com/constitutional-carry-in-idaho-now-for-all-americans/That's great. I'm heading up to ID to look at property next week. Am scouting a few western states for a last in life move. Just need to live in peace for 20 or 30 more, and urban areas won't be it.

[dougrz]

It truly is time to fortify your personal arsenal.

Part of the plan B. We are being left to fend for ourselves.

[Iceaxe]

Come on America... we can do better. Pump those numbers up....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200702/1adb4f150b417d1553da58a4990c7297.jpg

[Byron]

Part of the plan B. We are being left to fend for ourselves.Yes and no. I would imagine that most of these people buying guns are going to do the same thing that guy in St. Louis did...You ain't coming in MY house!

So what are these "anarchists"...a bunch of stupid bums. You have concerns about the future, but violence, looting, killing, vandalism and lack of security isn't going to have much appeal to the young 'uns. Not all of those under the age of 30 are down with blowing everything up and finding "success" somehow from the debris.

That's exactly what the liberal press and politicians are offering. Total chaos...and they're hoping somehow to snatch victory from the mess. They've lashed out like a wild animal because it's all they had left. Fighting. They've been fighting tooth and nail for 4 years but now they finally drew blood.

They're going to get their asses kicked in a few months.

[BasinCruiser]

Shooters Grill - Rifle Colorado. Owner and waitresses open carry heat.

Gonna have to plan on stopping in my next time through this area to check it out.

https://www.facebook.com/shootersgrill.rifle/videos/932464700532608/?vh=e

[BasinCruiser]

How NOT to troubleshoot your gun.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/1929083943778232/permalink/3322780087741937/


When you want to argue that one shouldn’t need any training to exercise self protection, It’s incidents like this that make you pause a moment.

[Byron]

How NOT to troubleshoot your gun.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/1929083943778232/permalink/3322780087741937/


When you want to argue that one shouldn’t need any training to exercise self protection, It’s incidents like this that make you pause a moment.I'm a house painter...inside and out. I've been in thousands of homes. Moving everything around, cleaning and painting and putting it all back. And I can assure you that most people are lazy. Filthy too, I might add.

Too many movies where they just point it and pull the trigger. "Just shoot them in the leg"....OK, good luck with that when you don't know what the f*ck you're doing. Hand a gun to most and watch as they miss a coffee can 20 feet away six times in a row. Straight outta Pulp Fiction.

You gotta learn how to manhandle any firearm you own. And then go to the range every few months (at least) to fire off a few dozen rounds to keep yourself familiar.

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

Well... there is that...


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200708/774284081ffcbc28b404f74638dfabaf.jpg

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200712/00d9463fe004e4adf674d6ba3e7a31d5.jpg

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200712/cfa5f548896178389951f3ae8d6d0e2f.jpg

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200712/5f7595c55fd9a5f74259afdf3fffabc7.jpg

[accadacca]

This is NOT a guy who you wanted armed. I could hear them detonate both bombs today. You gotta read the details on this one...wow!

South Jordan evacuations lifted after officials detonate material in arrested man's home

The situation began last Saturday, July 18, when South Jordan police received reports of threatening text messages and calls about a mass shooting sent to the owner of a Culver's restaurant at 3372 W. South Jordan Parkway, according to a jail report.

Police identified McManigal as the person who sent the threats, according to the report. He claimed that the Culver's was harassing him, and "harassment is the reason mass shootings occur," the jail report states.

McManigal also asked the business owner how he would feel if he went into the Culver's and "mowed down customers and staff," according to the report.

On July 19, police received more reports that two nearby residents saw McManigal carrying an AR-style rifle outside his house, the jail report states. Several gunshots were reported around the time the residents saw McManigal with the gun, according to the report.

Police determined that after the shots were reported, McManigal posted on Facebook saying that he had shot out a street light. Officers checked an area near 10365 S. River Heights Drive, which is directly west of McManigal's house, and found a broken street light.

Further investigation revealed that McManigal was served with two protective orders last year, one in April and the other in June. Both orders prevent him from owning an AR-style rifle or any other firearm, according to the jail report.

Police were concerned about McManigal's mental health and reached out to a crisis team to help negotiate with him to turn over his guns to law enforcement, according to Pennington. They were unsuccessful.

"We tried to come to some sort of peaceful solution during the week but he wasn't real cooperative at all," Pennington said.

Due to the reports of threats, the calls about fired shots, the damage to the streetlight and the parameters of the protective orders, investigators obtained a warrant to search McManigal's home.

They served the warrant on Thursday about 11 p.m. McManigal refused to leave the home, and a SWAT team and some armored vehicles arrived on scene, the jail report states.

While an armored SWAT vehicle from West Valley City was approaching the house, "it came under heavy fire and was hit with numerous bullets out the front door of the house," the jail report states. Several rifle bullets also hit a South Jordan SWAT vehicle on the west side of the house, according to the report.

A team of marksmen on the roof of a business southwest of the home also reported hearing several rifle rounds fly over their heads, the report states. Another team of marksmen on the north side of the house reported the same experience, the jail report said.

A short time later, McManigal surrendered, came out of the home and was taken into custody without any injuries. No law enforcement officers were injured during the situation. McManigal fired at least 15 bullets during the confrontation, the report states.

McManigal later admitted to police that he shot towards officers until his gun jammed, at which point he surrendered and came outside, according to the jail report. He told investigators he was shooting at police so they would not kill him, and he shot out the street light in an effort to send a message to police to leave him alone, the report states.

He also admitted to knowing about the protective orders and owning several other firearms, the report alleges.

McManigal was booked into the Salt Lake County Jail early Friday morning for investigation of 23 felonies and three misdemeanors, including aggravated assault targeting law enforcement officers, possession of a dangerous weapon by a restricted person and violating protective orders.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50000507/south-jordan-evacuations-lifted-after-officials-detonate-material-in-arrested-mans-home

[BasinCruiser]

Just throwing this out there, in case you hadn’t thought of it.

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[oldno7]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/Utb8ey2O.png

[Iceaxe]

BREAKING NEWS: NRA scores a HUGE win in California today. The 9th Circuit, led by a Trump-appointed judge, rules that ban on magazines with more than 10 rounds is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. This case will have repercussions nationwide.

[dougrz]

Can't be understated. One link of many:
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/08/14/9th-circuit-ends-california-ban-on-high-capacity-ammunition-magazines/

CA will probably do the following. 1, ask for a TRO pending an en banc hearing before the full court. 2, ask for the en banc. Not sure how either ruling will go, but Trump flipped the 9th last year or so.

This is 2 wins in a row in CA Fed courts on this issue. Will have to go to the SC you'd think, in about 3 years.

Which sets the stakes monstrously high if Biden wins. I foresee the entire 2nd Am going down in totality with a leftist majority. They'll rule the 2nd Am prohibits private ownership based on the militia wording. Don't laugh about that.

All hands on deck in this election!

[Iceaxe]

They'll rule the 2nd Am prohibits private ownership based on the militia wording. Don't laugh about that.

The Supreme Court has already ruled on that and stated an individual's right to keep and bear arms is protected, and not connected to participation in a militia.

See District of Columbia vs Heller

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller?wprov=sfla1

[dougrz]

The Supreme Court has already ruled on that and stated an individual's right to keep and bear arms is protected, and not connected to participation in a militia.

See District of Columbia vs Heller

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller?wprov=sfla1I know the Heller decision well. Then the follow up ruling that applied it to the states. But with 5 Sotomayors? They won't hesitate.

[dougrz]

Iceaxe , get some 80%s. I advise everyone to do that in advance.

[dougrz]

Article with best detail on the ruling:

https://www.breitbart.com/news/9th-circuit-ends-california-ban-on-high-capacity-magazines/

[Sandstone Addiction]

@Iceaxe (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=36) , get some 80%s. I advise everyone to do that in advance.



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[accadacca]

A man in his 20's is dead after he was shot at Club Echo. Salt Lake City PD tells us the man was a club patron who went outside to get a gun. He came back in and started shooting. A club employee then got his own gun and shot back. The man stumbled out of the club and died.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50006625/officials-identify-man-killed-after-allegedly-firing-weapon-in-slc-club

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

Hahaha...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200829/de1bffa67c9bc8189926beb38b5a133c.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

How completely out of touch with reality is politicians today?

’Amid all of these riots country wide, let’s have a gun hand in event. :2thumbs:‘


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https://www.fox29.com/news/gun-turn-in-event-to-be-held-in-philly-this-weekend

[oldno7]

https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/imageedit_4387_5532362475.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

:roflol:NYPDs finest proudly posted that they confiscated this evil gun. The comments are great.

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https://www.facebook.com/NYPD60pct/photos/a.140949129789036/736641763553100/?type=3

[devo_stevo]

It's hilarious how proud they were of getting that gun too. Getting that "illegal firearm" off the street. #onelessgun

Completely stupid.

[dougrz]

The McCloskey's indictment is really sickening. The MO governor better do something about this.

[rockgremlin]

The McCloskey's indictment is really sickening. The MO governor better do something about this.

Agreed. I don't know how they can claim the "protestors" were victims when there are videos around the internet of the crowds pushing over their gate and trespassing onto the McCloskey's private property.

[BasinCruiser]

The MO governer has announced he will pardon them if conivcted. At least someone in that state has a head on their shoulders.

[oldno7]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/s7bykJGY.jpeg

[Iceaxe]

This would be funny if it wasn't the grand plan...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201014/0a2a864b4e9895e649e0ed39245f46da.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^Are you freaking kidding me? I swear politicians are all brain dead morans.


There isn't a thimble full of brians amongst the entire Democrat party.


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[Scott Card]

^^^^^^ Probably my favorite meme of all time ^^^^^^^ :lol8:

[oldno7]

^^^Are you freaking kidding me? I swear politicians are all brain dead morans.


There isn't a thimble full of brians amongst the entire Democrat party.


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mark my word

[oldno7]

This would be funny if it wasn't the grand plan...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201014/0a2a864b4e9895e649e0ed39245f46da.jpg

me an ol' rock dun did this, out on a back country road.

I had my sherrif friend drive by for good measure and I swear, rock came close to runnin':roflol:

[dougrz]

This would be funny if it wasn't the grand plan...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201014/0a2a864b4e9895e649e0ed39245f46da.jpgHow close are we, Iceaxe?

Lay some numbers.

Chance of a Biden win:
Chance of a Dem sweep:
Chance of a Dem sweep and a court pack:

[Byron]

How close are we, @Iceaxe (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=36)?

Lay some numbers.

Chance of a Biden win:
Chance of a Dem sweep:
Chance of a Dem sweep and a court pack:
I'll answer that! Zero, zero and zero.

[Byron]

^^^^^^ Probably my favorite meme of all time ^^^^^^^ :lol8:I can't help but wonder if he wrote that as a double entendre...otherwise if he's from Arkansas or Oklahoma that may be the way they pronounce it.

Either way...isn't it something that an average guy gets up in the morning, writes a few words on a piece of cardboard and becomes the internet equivalent of a complete fool. There's your 15 minutes, dude.

[dougrz]

How close are we, Iceaxe?

Lay some numbers.

Chance of a Biden win:
Chance of a Dem sweep:
Chance of a Dem sweep and a court pack:I'm at 90, 80, 50.

Not only the 2A falls if they pack, the 1A. Some ruling upholding a hate speech law ends it.

[Byron]

Geez Doug...at the rate you're going, a couple weeks from now you're going to be a nervous wreck.

[rockgremlin]

Geez Doug...at the rate you're going, a couple weeks from now you're going to be a nervous wreck.

He's already there. Been there for months already.

[dougrz]

I'm disappointed you guys don't understand the threat. They are telling you what they'll do.

Listen to them.

[rockgremlin]

I'm disappointed you guys don't understand the threat. They are telling you what they'll do.

Listen to them.


Listen to them...and then what?

Join a bunch of outdoor forums and endlessly lament the Marxist takeover of America?

[Iceaxe]

^^^This^^^

Dougie Downer... your rhetoric gets old, stale and boring after a while and begins to fall on deaf ears. You really need to come up with a new schtick.

I think just about everyone on this forum understands exactly what is at stake, at least more than the average voter does.

I do well when the Democrats are in office, I do better when the Republican's are in office, but either way my life changes very little.

If they come for our guns I think most in this country understand they will be handed over bullets first.

YMMV

[dougrz]

Listen to them...and then what?

Join a bunch of outdoor forums and endlessly lament the Marxist takeover of America?First, stop thinking if they sweep it's going to be normal Dem corporate rule. That is what I'm specifically perplexed by in your response. It won't be. They need to end any threat of a Trump uprising ever again. They need to end the notion of human freedom this country represents. We are the last stand.

After that? I don't know. But in the meantime, do everything you can, please. Your country is at stake. Believing a Bill Clinton, 90s Dem style govt is coming, leads to apathy.

[dougrz]

If they come for our guns I think most in this country understand they will be handed over bullets first

Guns are 3rd or 4th on the list of worries. What are you doing this cycle? Have you donated, have you worked, have you called out of state lists?

All hands.

And the "getting old" comment. Easy to say the same back. We all know where we stand, nothing to learn. In my case it's ringing the alarm for the, still heard, "Trump landslide" thinking that I've been afraid has seen good people on this board not put all those hands in.

Something as simple as posting the NY Post story places, or the more serious of risking friendships to discuss the threat. Whatever.

[Iceaxe]

^^^Yada yada yada^^^

[dougrz]

^^^Yada yada yada^^^You aren't a sophisticate with an understanding of the sweep of history, that's for sure.

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha... I have an excellent grasp of history.

I just don't give a shit. I'm an old man, I'll soon be dead, my future is pretty much assured, my generation handed off a wonderful and prosperous country to the next generation... I guess if the the next generation wants to turn it into an everyone gets a participant trophy shit hole it's their choice. Who am I to dictate how they run their country when I'm gone? I think they are wrong, and I tell them so, but in the end it's their choice, which is the bases of our Democratic Republic, which is something you fail to grasp.

[dougrz]

I just don't give a shit. I'm an old man

I'm asking you to. This is a country worth saving beyond how it merely serves us personally.

And regardless of anything else, I count you as an ally and friend.

[Iceaxe]

And I'm telling you those who have to live here should have the right to choose their government, even if I disagree and think it's wrong.

It's their bed they are making and they are the one's who will have to sleep in it.

[oldno7]

Lets be honest, here.

Theres nobody that has election results bluetoothed in from back to the future.

Everyone is posting pre conceived notions on Nov. 3rd election, there is no Nostradamus among us.

I don't see it as a foregone conclusion any direction.

I agree with Doug that todays democrat/socialist/communist ain't JFK's.

I think the core base, remaining on this site use rational and common sense, more than most to base decisions on.

I think Dougs point is--"that" concept is lost on a large % of voters.

IF all Americans thought rationally and with common sense--the vote would already be over, Trump in an electoral/popular landslide.

Preparing mentally/physically, stocking food, self defense items, etc. is not crying wolf--it's prudent.

Plan for the worse(I think all here are)hope for the best.

I believe thats Dougs story, makes sense to me,

Todays hyperbole can quickly become tomorrow's reality.

We are in a key time historically, will be talked about for eons.

And I can see a Trump loss being the final straw for this Constitutional Republic, theres no one else who has the ability to fight communism here.

4 more years of Trump will change that outlook--drastically.

Doug is not the enemy but there are many who are.

[rockgremlin]

First, stop thinking if they sweep it's going to be normal Dem corporate rule. That is what I'm specifically perplexed by in your response. It won't be. They need to end any threat of a Trump uprising ever again. They need to end the notion of human freedom this country represents. We are the last stand.

After that? I don't know. But in the meantime, do everything you can, please. Your country is at stake. Believing a Bill Clinton, 90s Dem style govt is coming, leads to apathy.


You know, I heard this exact same rhetoric when Obama took office in 2008 and the Democrats had a majority in both the House and the Senate.

And then again in 2012 when Obama ran against that other Democrat Mormon....I can't recall his name...


And here we all are --- we seemed to have survived 8 years of a Democrat majority even though the political doomsayers swore that Obama was going to usher in socialism.


But this time it's different...

[oldno7]

But this time it's different...

Indeed it is.
Whomever the democrat mormon obiden ran against---he was part of the insiders, he was paid handsomely and was never a threat to those who would destroy a perfectly good Republic.

Trump--as we all know and understand, is the first threat to a politicians "cozy" highly enrichened lifestyle.

Unless you can tell me who will fight, on a top National level, after him--yes, it's different, way different.

[dougrz]

And I'm telling you those who have to live here should have the right to choose their government, even if I disagree and think it's wrong.

It's their bed they are making and they are the one's who will have to sleep in it.

And this is why I thought we had little chance even in 2019. This isn't a knock on you, it's just observation and reality. We're older, getting tired, looking to wind down, don't have so many years to suffer the end result of what they're doing.

But also, we do have a streak of tolerance they don't, to let a result stand. So in the end, they are more devoted than most of us are. And Trump supporters are hella devoted, granted. Their allegiance isn't to Biden but to leftism, and following an idea is stronger than following a person.

[oldno7]

heres an oldie I posted to lighten up.

Throwback Thurs.


Subject: The test
An old country preacher had a teenage son, and it was getting time the boy should give some thought to choosing a profession. Like many young men his age, the boy didn't really know what he wanted to do, and he didn't seem too concerned about it. One day, while the boy was away at school, his father decided to try an experiment. He went into the boy's room and placed on his study table four objects.


1. A Bible


2. A silver dollar


3. A bottle of whisky


4. And a Playboy magazine


'I'll just hide behind the door,' the old preacher said to himself. 'When he comes home from school today, I'll see which object he picks up.

If it's the Bible, he's going to be a preacher like me, and what a blessing that would be!

If he picks up the dollar, he's going to be a business man, and that would be okay, too.

But if he picks up the bottle, he's going to be a no-good drunken bum, and Lord, what a shame that would be.

And worst of all if he picks up that magazine he's going to be a skirt-chasing womanizer.'

The old man waited anxiously, and soon heard his son's foot-steps as he entered the house whistling and headed for his room. The boy tossed his books on the bed, and as he turned to leave the room he spotted the objects on the table.

Curious, he walked over to inspect them. Finally, he picked up the Bible and placed it under his arm. He picked up the silver dollar and dropped into his pocket. He uncorked the bottle and took a big drink, while he admired this month's centerfold.

'Lord have mercy,' the old preacher disgustedly whispered.

'He's gonna run for Congress!'

[Iceaxe]

#MAGA

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Climb-Utah.com

[dougrz]

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[Iceaxe]

Utah is really armming up....

Gun background checks, sales skyrocket in Utah

https://www.ksl.com/article/50036372/ksl-investigates-gun-background-checks-sales-skyrocket-in-utah

[dougrz]

Utah is really arming up....

Gun background checks, sales skyrocket in Utah

https://www.ksl.com/article/50036372/ksl-investigates-gun-background-checks-sales-skyrocket-in-utahEither way we have to. Trump wins, nationwide violence. Dems sweep, online buying outlawed, NFA on semiautos, and civil immunity gone leading to industry bankruptcy over time.

Dark days.

[rockgremlin]

Either way we have to. Trump wins, nationwide violence. Dems sweep, online buying outlawed, NFA on semiautos, and civil immunity gone leading to industry bankruptcy over time.

Dark days.


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[dougrz]

https://img.memecdn.com/ominous-gloomcat-of-doom_o_7163338.jpg

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/60745694.jpgAs Ari Fleischer said on Twitter last night, Dems plan to pack the states, pack the court, and pack the country with immigs. He's a Bushie non-Trumper.

Just simple logic to see CA policy writ large if they sweep.

[Iceaxe]

Either way we have to. Trump wins, nationwide violence. Dems sweep, online buying outlawed, NFA on semiautos, and civil immunity gone leading to industry bankruptcy over time.

Dark days.
I wake up every morning and thank God I don't live on your planet.

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[dougrz]

I wake up every morning and thank God I don't live on your planet

Probably explains why I suspended work, am in another state working, and have donated thousands.

[BasinCruiser]

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[BasinCruiser]

Flashback Thursday. Blast from the past of Uncle Ted discussing armed citizens with David Letterman back in the 80s.



http://fb.watch/1qlHxlYEYH/


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