Where do voters stand on Proposition 2? - Deseret News Poll

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[Iceaxe]

I support the legalization of ALL drugs.... and then tax the shit out of them. Legalizing all drugs will tell you exactly who is commiting the crimes as a guy with a $200 a day drug habit and no job is getting his cash from somewhere. You can also use some of the tax dollars to get those who want it the help they need, that's a win - win - win - win situation. The "War on Drugs" is a fool errand.


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[rockgremlin]

^^^ Portugal decriminalized all drugs almost two decades ago, and it's working out very well for them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html%3famp

[twotimer]

I'm not with you guys on "all drugs". Meth is friggin' poison. No one should be allowed to make or sell it. It just eats people up.

[Iceaxe]

I'm not with you guys on "all drugs". Meth is friggin' poison. No one should be allowed to make or sell it. It just eats people up.I agree meth is posion... but.... We already know that criminalizing doesn't work.

Legalize it and then you can control it, at a minimum you can eliminate the numerous side effects that are a drag on society.

YMMV

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[Sombeech]

I really don't care either way, but next time I hear that Mormons are the reason that Medical Marijuana is still illegal, I'm going to help enforce that opinion by voting to keep it illegal.

Want it legal? Stop blaming Mormons and come up with a convincing argument to sway people like me in the middle of the road.

[rockgremlin]

I really don't care either way, but next time I hear that Mormons are the reason that Medical Marijuana is still illegal, I'm going to help enforce that opinion by voting to keep it illegal.

Want it legal? Stop blaming Mormons and come up with a convincing argument to sway people like me in the middle of the road.


I'm beginning to wonder if you are capable of posting an article about Marijuana without inevitably pulling Mormons into the discussion...

[twotimer]

I really don't care either way, but next time I hear that Mormons are the reason that Medical Marijuana is still illegal, I'm going to help enforce that opinion by voting to keep it illegal.

Want it legal? Stop blaming Mormons and come up with a convincing argument to sway people like me in the middle of the road.IMO...nothing really good comes from it being legal, aside from lots of new entrepreneurs. It's addictive and expensive. Homeless people live in the bushes near the dispensaries.

This coming from a guy who's smoked enough to choke a goat and occasionally still partake. Before legalization, there was always some guy who showed up at (name your party or event) with pot...the pothead. That's when you partook.

Now I meet friends to bike and they're pouring hash oil on top of the buds before lighting it up. That's hardcore. I can't do that, it'll make me go to sleep.

If you said you might be interested in trying it? I'd say don't bother.

If it becomes totally ubiquitous across the land, then so be it. I'm personally not an advocate for it. If I could go back and vote again, I would have voted against.

[BruteForce]

I don't have a solid answer on this; not religious, not super political, not super judgmental. BUT, my wife and I spent some time this summer in Colorado and visited a few "dispensaries" to see about some creme, gum, etc, for our autistic son. What we encountered in those "stores" was interesting. Mostly, what we saw were pot heads wanting one foot long joints rolled for them because they were too stoned to do it themselves and in some instances, some older folks just wanting pain care via rolled joints. Regardless, tax rate for CBD or non-CBD was around 40% to the State. Winner = Government, as per usual.

[Sombeech]

I'm beginning to wonder if you are capable of posting an article about Marijuana without inevitably pulling Mormons into the discussion...
That's it I'm voting no

PS... show me a Utah Marijuana legalization discussion without the mention of Mormons and I'll upgrade your status to double platinum

[rockgremlin]

That's it I'm voting no

PS... show me a Utah Marijuana legalization discussion without the mention of Mormons and I'll upgrade your status to double platinum

This got a bonafide belly laugh out of me.

I'll do my best. I really want that double platinum.

[devo_stevo]

Does that include the comments? I've seen loads of articles about it that don't even mention the church, but the very first comment is typically about those stupid mormons.

[DiscGo]

I really don't care either way, but next time I hear that Mormons are the reason that Medical Marijuana is still illegal....

Do you not believe that the LDS Church has an influence on politics in Utah? The LDS Church came out and told its members how to vote (seen here (https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/message-from-elder-craig-c-christensen-president-utah-area-august-23-2018) and emailed directly to many of its members). An organization which teaches that whether the leader of their organization says something or God says it, it is the same tells their members how to vote and you don't think that will have an impact?

[uintafly]

Sombeech, I already posted reasons in another thread as to why legalization is the better path. If you, like me, thought it was nuts when Bloomberg banned large sodas in NYC, than you should also not be a fan of the government telling you what you can smoke. Doesn't every good conservative love Milton Friedman? Uncle Milty was a huge proponent of legalization strictly on philosophical grounds. I am the same way, but there is also plenty of data out there suggesting that criminalizing has not had any positive effect. I'm with Ice and say legalize drugs and tax em to death. Get rid of the criminal element on the selling side and have tax funds available for treatment. I'd be willing to bet that I have seen the effects of meth addiction as much if not more than anyone else on the board and hate the drug. But having it illegal has done nothing to stop it.

[Iceaxe]

I'd be willing to bet that I have seen the effects of meth addiction as much if not more than anyone else on the board and hate the drug. But having it illegal has done nothing to stop it.

Three of my wife's four brothers are in prison for Meth, two are in state prison and one is in Federal prison. All three have been in and out of prison and jail numerous times and the root cause is always Meth. I've had a front row seat to the problems of Meth for the past 20 years and I can promise you criminalizing it doesn't solve the problem.

When her brothers get out of prison I can guarantee you all three will be back on Meth in less then a year as there is no treatment and no help available to them (at least nothing they can afford).

Anyhoo... that's my experience with the war on drugs...


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[Iceaxe]

Was there ever any doubt?!?

LDS Church urges Utahns to vote NO on medical marijuana
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46419486&nid=968

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[double moo]

My take...

I believe cannibis will be legal nationwide within the next 10 years. Better to approve this Prop2 and force our legislatures to act now to come up with some smart ways to both regulate and capitalize on the issue than to be caught flatfooted when it does go national....

That and I want so much for the church to realize that they no longer have the pull they once did!

[rockgremlin]

My take...

I believe cannibis will be legal nationwide within the next 10 years. Better to approve this Prop2 and force our legislatures to act now to come up with some smart ways to both regulate and capitalize on the issue than to be caught flatfooted when it does go national....

That and I want so much for the church to realize that they no longer have the pull they once did!

^^^I couldn't agree more. This is exactly how I feel on the issue, always have.

[jman]

I’m always skeptical of every thing anyone does or say these days. My friends, my family, outdoor forums, the news and what I read, social media posts, politics, and especially things that present themselves as facts. And someone agreeing with another person shouldn’t persuade another person but it should ask “why is that person agreeing with them” instead?

With Prop2 and witnessing the dust starting to the settle on Washington and Colorado, in my opinion, all we are doing is legalizing a problem. Remember that - “legalizing a problem”. Quickly, I need to copyright that expression!

Sure, a joint for someone Isn’t going to hurt them one bit. Especially from “infrequent” use. But worshipping, obsessing, creating a love-culture around the vice, because that’s what it truly is, will soil the good of society in many ways.

First, And don’t ever forget, that THC is a MAJOR component in Psychosis! Great...just what we need, more and more people who can’t tell what is real and what isn’t. But legalization will solve that problem though!! [emoji854]

All it is doing is creating more and more people addicted to another substance.

I love the coffee example. Name one person who doesn’t say “if I don’t get my morning coffee I will become an a**hole”. Literally everyone who drinks coffee says that. Lol. And I think if there was ever a shortage of coffee in the world, there literally would be riots and again, literally, murders over the absence of it. Mark my words. “But it’s just coffee”...yeah...sure.

I have seen irate people flipping out at hotel attendants, restaurants, and gas station employees because they were out of this or that coffee or it didn’t tase good, or whatever. To be fair, they were probably irate people by their personality, but not getting their coffee...(their “addiction they can quit anytime”)..definitely fueled that tantrum!

We also saw this with the prohibition of alcohol. Sure, it “didn’t work” as the pro-booze crowd loves to say as a strange mark of victory, but they are quickly silenced when you bring up the never-ceasing broken families it creates, ruined marriages, all kinds of abuse against women and children in their own homes, and sadly rape and violence which is all fueled by alcohol! (Don’t let them ever forget that fact!).

A small anecdote, My own grandfather had a serious drinking issue, (but remember “it is legal” so it’s all good now! [emoji854][emoji848]) but he was chained to this addiction. And problem is, he didn’t want to change. He did suffer from depression and had anger issues, but let me tell you, alcohol increased those traits 1000000% percent.

Remember that homeless guy on the street that you gave $10 to? Well it isn’t going to be put that towards food or his housing, but surprise surprise, it will go towards...MORE alcohol! You guessed right? (How did you know?) But don’t you worry your heart at - it was all legal! And double-dont worry! That alcohol tax is FINALLY getting the schools the crayons they need while a broken man gets...more broken. Programs like DARE clearly don’t work...so obviously...legalization and more proliferation of all vices is what these kids need to educate them about the dangers in society about such as addictions. Wait...that’s a weird paradox...[emoji854]

Oh, and the “More mental health treatment centers!” is the chanting you hear while the secret double-talk is whispering “more drugs for all”.

More access to hard drugs, right? Because that’s the libertarian way. It’s your life and you can do what you want....but oh yeah...My taxes will be paying for your “mental health treatment center” because of all the “legal” drugs you did to mess it up. That’s another odd paradox for libertarians to process. [emoji854][emoji848][emoji848]

I really enjoyed typing all of that, can’t you tell? Lol



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[twotimer]

"Legalizing a problem"...you should trademark that.

I read somewhere that at sometime in the 1800s it was estimated that tens of millions of Chinese adults were addicted to Opium. I don't know if that's true or not, I should look into it...

[jman]

"Legalizing a problem"...you should trademark that.

I read somewhere that at sometime in the 1800s it was estimated that tens of millions of Chinese adults were addicted to Opium. I don't know if that's true or not, I should look into it...

I would not be surprised one bit!

In the Mediterranean area, Khat, is another vice that the people often use. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat


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[Iceaxe]

Legalizing a problem at least allows you more control the problem, or at least set the narrative... just sayin'

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[rockgremlin]

The war on drugs is over. We lost.

Right now my boys can go out and score marijuana anytime they want. It's easier to get than alcohol. It's so ubiquitous. So if you think any regulation the government might pass is really going to change anything you're deluded. I think it should be legalized because it's already all over the place. We may as well profit from it. By keeping it illegal do you know who profits from it? Mexican cartels. Is that what you want?

I'm a little confused at your lengthy spiteful diatribe jman. So let me get this straight -- you want to criminalize cancer patients that are using cannabis as medicine?

Why would anyone want that?

[twotimer]

The war on drugs is over. We lost.

Right now my boys can go out and score marijuana anytime they want. It's easier to get than alcohol. It's so ubiquitous. So if you think any regulation the government might pass is really going to change anything you're deluded. I think it should be legalized because it's already all over the place. We may as well profit from it. By keeping it illegal do you know who profits from it? Mexican cartels. Is that what you want?

I'm a little confused at your lengthy spiteful diatribe @jman (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=333). So let me get this straight -- you want to criminalize cancer patients that are using cannabis as medicine?

Why would anyone want that?Jesus, rock...you sound just like a friggin' liberal. Coming in and spanking him for something he DIDN'T say. Not to bust your chops or anything, but I'm gonna throw one right back at ya...

You want your boys smoking pot?

[twotimer]

BTW...check out the history of Opium use in China. Pretty interesting. The English sure knew how to collect on the addicts.

[Iceaxe]

You want your boys smoking pot?

Just to be totally clear... Prop 2 does not legalize recreational marijuana.

I get sick of people purposely trying to confuse and cloud this issue. It's the same thing the liberals do with legal immigration and illegal immigration.

I don't want my daughter's smoking pot, but if they had something like MS or epilepsy and it improved their quality of life I'd be all for it.

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[Iceaxe]

Where I eventually expect liberals to go with those using `legal' marijuana is to stop them from owning firearms.

When you purchase a firearm from a dealer (FFL holder) you must fill out Federal form 4473. Question 11e asks "are you an unlawful user of marijuana". Those answering yes are not allowed to purchase a firearm. Under Federal law anyone using marijuana is illegal.

Anyhoo.... something to think about before using, even if it's legal under your State laws, it's not legal under Federal so don't be surprised if it comes back to bite you in the ass.

YMMV

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