[GRAPHIC VIDEO] Man killed by Father and Son

[Sombeech]

Go ahead and throw those headphones on at work, language.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF2ROKpLYiY&feature=youtu.be

What are your thoughts? I mean, besides the shirtless spectacle of fine back alley specimen, Of course we don't see the beginning of this altercation, but if you're stupid enough to threaten a couple of guys with guns saying you're going to kill them, you just might want to back off.

[rockgremlin]

In the first place, who owns the land where this happened?

Second, the gun wielding guys were calm and composed and didn't pull the trigger until after the orange shirt dude threatened over and over that he was going to kill them - which technically constitutes assault.

[Sombeech]

It looks like the guy in orange, or the only guy with a shirt, actually had a bat at the end. You can see he threw it at the older guy, likely after he stepped in to take a swing but threw it after the old guy took a couple of shots. I assume it was the younger lady killer with the shotgun that knocked the guy out for the final shot.

I think the shooters will go for the "Stand your ground" rule.

Some will say they should have backed away, but we really don't know what would have happened. They could have been attacked once they turned their backs on the guy.

Plus, they were threatened with their lives, very clearly. If somebody like that is yelling they are going to come to my house and kill me, I'm not going to turn my back and start walking away, assuming he'll cool down.

[tallsteve]

Yep, a swinging bat in the hands of someone telling you they are going to kill you is grounds to shoot.

[Iceaxe]

Bad idea to bring an orange t-shirt to a gunfight.

FWIW: Texas has a stand your ground law (Castle Law) on the books. I don't see how the father and son get convicted for this. The shooters gave warning and were not the party advancing. Orange shirt threatened and then advanced... not a smart move...

More on the story here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2018/09/21/you-pulled-gun-front-my-kids-over-mattress-man-said-then-he-was-shot-dead/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.51c6d8c7faec

[rockgremlin]

Bad idea to bring an orange t-shirt to a gunfight.

LOLed at this. :roflol:

[DiscGo]

After this video was released / went viral they raised the bail from $25,000 to $250,000

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/crime/2018/09/21/father-and-son-john-miller-michael-miller-arron-howard-viral-video-shooting-man-alley-trash/1383106002/

[Iceaxe]

I'm still trying to figure out why these two were attested in the first place. Orange shirt threatened them and then raised a bat.

The moment he raised the bat I would have shot him also. Waiting until after you have been hit with a bat is too little, too late.

I'll take wages that these two walk in the end, unless I'm really missing something, under Texas law they were within their rights as Texas is a stand your ground state.

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[damando]

After reading a few articles on this. It appears that the shooters are the ones that were intent on killing. Regardless if they try to use the [stand your ground ] issue. They deserve prison time for the killing. They went out of their way to confront their neighbors by deliberately taking the garbage out of the dumpster and bringing it back to them all the while armed.

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[DiscGo]

Legally they have the right to bare arms. They also has the legal right to "stand their ground" and defend themselves.

What they did was wrong (in my opinion) but I don't believe it was unlawful. The deceased man was foolish (again in my opinion) to continue to escalate things with two men who were holding guns on him.

I was once involved in a misunderstanding which led to Provo Police pulling their guns on me. As far as I was concerned I couldn't be compliant enough. I had a clean conscience but it was still terrifying (likely the scariest experience of my life).

From my experience, I believe this man was a fool to taunt them to shoot him. He was a fool to pick up that bat. And he was foolish not to walk away as soon as those guys pulled out guns.

Whether he was trying to save face, or felt he was protecting his family or personal rights, he went about it incorrectly. He should have gone inside and called the police. Nothing in or surrounding that garbage was worth putting his life on the line.

My guess is that he was gambling he could get those guys in trouble for pointing guns on him and safely walk away. If that is so, he lost that bet.

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

"You wont shoot my husband"
*Hold my beer...*

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[Sombeech]

I think it speaks to the shooters' character that they would give the shirts off their backs.

[rockgremlin]

Am I the only one who thinks the older fella kinda looks/acts like the grandpa in The Walking Dead?

[devo_stevo]

What a sad deal. This is the height of human stupidity. Ignoring the legal issues and all that, I see this and it makes me sad that a man is willing to either lose his life or take a life over whether a mattress can get thrown away in a shared garbage can.

This whole thing is utterly stupid. What a waste.

[rockgremlin]

What a sad deal. This is the height of human stupidity. Ignoring the legal issues and all that, I see this and it makes me sad that a man is willing to either lose his life or take a life over whether a mattress can get thrown away in a shared garbage can.

This whole thing is utterly stupid. What a waste.


Yup. The guy had kids too. And now they get to grow up without a dad. That sucks.

I mean, many people will say that he deserved what he got because he was stupid or that he provoked the gun owners, or that he threatened to kill them, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regardless.....this guy didn't deserve to die. And his poor kids don't deserve to be orphaned over this.

[devo_stevo]

Yup. The guy had kids too. And now they get to grow up without a dad. That sucks.

I mean, many people will say that he deserved what he got because he was stupid or that he provoked the gun owners, or that he threatened to kill them, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regardless.....this guy didn't deserve to die. And his poor kids don't deserve to be orphaned over this.
Agreed. If those guys had just left the stupid mattress in the trash and let it get picked up and taken away like the trash does every week, none of this would have happened. It's just a bunch of stupid rednecks trying to control what his neighbor does with his trash. Your friendly neighborhood HOA at work.

[Sombeech]

I read somewhere that they weren't his kids, they were his sisters kids or something, but he stated that for a more dramatic effect.

[Iceaxe]

There is certainly plenty of blame to go around on this one.



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[devo_stevo]

There is certainly plenty of blame to go around on this one.



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Absolutely. All parties are at fault as far as I'm concerned.

[nelsonccc]

Agreed. If those guys had just left the stupid mattress in the trash and let it get picked up and taken away like the trash does every week, none of this would have happened. It's just a bunch of stupid rednecks trying to control what his neighbor does with his trash. Your friendly neighborhood HOA at work.

I read that the dumpster was being paid for by the two shirtless guys and was for their use. The neighbor kept putting his stuff in there forcing the dumpster to be emptied more often, incurring additional cost to the people paying for the dumpster and that it was always full of the neighbors stuff and they couldn't use the dumpster they were paying for.

Now, I know that dumpsters on construction sites get the same thing and I've seen some pretty heated stuff go on between job sites and such because of this. I had one project that was in the ghetto that the owner hired armed security for just that reason since the neighbors in the area were having a free for all with their dumpster. So I can kind of get it.

My opinion is that all three of these people were idiots. All three could have deescalated the situation without the taking of lives. Even though they will likely walk they'll end up spending money to lawyer up.

[devo_stevo]

If that's the case, I understand the frustration and the argument. It'd bug me too.

I still think it's a terrible waste of a life over something pretty stupid.

[Iceaxe]

Sometimes the shallow end of the gene pool requires draining....

YMMV

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[rockgremlin]

Never forget...

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[Iceaxe]

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