Supreme Court Justice

[Iceaxe]

With judge Kennedy retiring his replacement is going to be huge. In many ways a judge on the Supreme Court carries more power than president as a judge can wield power for 40 years where a president is limited to 8 years.

Anyhoo.... since this is about to blow up in the media I thought it deserved it's own thead.

Bogley... where adult topics are discussed...

[emoji631]

[Iceaxe]

With another SCOTUS seat going truly conservative, the liberals have nothing to fear over abortions....

The right doesn't want to take away their abortions, they just want to enact some common-sense abortion regulations....

...see what I did there ;-)

[emoji631]

[oldno7]

Yup

[Iceaxe]

Good article on how Obams's arrogance doomed any chance of a liberal Supreme Court.

Democrats are furious about Trump and the Supreme Court – They have only Obama to blame

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/06/liz-peek-democrats-are-furious-about-trump-and-supreme-court-have-only-obama-to-blame.html

[Sombeech]

Thanks Harry Reid!

[Iceaxe]

Talk about between a rock and a hard place....

On eve of Trump's Supreme Court pick, top Dem suggests sacrificing Senate seats to stop nomination

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/08/on-eve-trumps-supreme-court-pick-top-dem-suggests-sacrificing-senate-seats-to-stop-nomination.html

[twotimer]

I sure hope he picks that crazy-eyed Christian chick.

Boy, the liberals are sure getting a mouthful of conservative hurt, eh? They should have been more respectful to him.

[Iceaxe]

Promises made, promises kept... great SCOTUS pick... MAGA

Trump nominates Brett Kavanaugh to Supreme Court

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/09/trump-nominates-brett-kavanaugh-to-supreme-court.html

[emoji631]

[rockgremlin]

This little drama is going to dominate the headlines for months.

If conservatives own a majority in the Senate, what recourse do liberals have? I mean, they can bitch and moan all day but in the end there's little they can do about it, right?

[twotimer]

He'll get thru just as easily as Gorsuch did.

Roe v Wade may get some modifications later down the road, but I really don't think they'll ever outlaw abortion outright. I'm definitely conservative, but I'm pro-choice. Abortion is at the very bottom in my list of priorities...hardly a factor.

There ya go, liberals...just another human being that you have to deal with that doesn't see things the same way you do. Maybe it's time for another vagina hats parade?

[Iceaxe]

It's going to be difficult to get Kavanaugh confirmed. All 50 Republicans Senators have to approve and getting 50 people to agree on anything is extremely difficult.

No Democrats will cross the aisle unless it appears the GOP has the votes, at which time several red state Democrats will cross to save their ass at home.

Remember just one asshat Senator (McCain) sunk the repeal of Obamacare, and he did it out of spite for Trump.

Conservatives will have to really thread the needle to get this conformation. Democrats are not going to help as they are still butt hurt over Republicans blocking Merit Garland.

[emoji631]

[Iceaxe]

So far the biggest negative liberal's can come up with against Kavanaugh is his first name. If they can't do better then that it's going to be a really long two months for them

Liberals attack Brett Kavanaugh for 'frat boy' name

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/11/liberals-attack-brett-kavanaugh-for-frat-boy-name.html

[rockgremlin]

So far the biggest negative liberal's can come up with against Kavanaugh is his first name. If they can't do better then that it's going to be a really long two months for them

Liberals attack Brett Kavanaugh for 'frat boy' name

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/11/liberals-attack-brett-kavanaugh-for-frat-boy-name.html


What about Brett Favre? I guess he was a pussified frat boy too, eh?

[Iceaxe]

With Rand Paul on board this should now be a slam dunk...

Rand Paul says he will support Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/rand-paul-says-will-support-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaugh.html

[Iceaxe]

LMAO...

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[qedcook]

LMAO...

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No way! She did not really say that, did she? Tell me she actually said that. That would be too true to life.

[stefan]

No way! She did not really say that, did she? Tell me she actually said that.

of course not. she was finishing law school during his second term

[Iceaxe]

Ginsburg screwed the pooch when she didn't retire when she was asked during the Obama administration. The Democrats tried to get her to step aside while they were in control but Ginsburg refused.

[twotimer]

Ginsburg screwed the pooch when she didn't retire when she was asked during the Obama administration. The Democrats tried to get her to step aside while they were in control but Ginsburg refused.She likely was all gnarled out because Obama would have replaced her with a young chick. Kick my ass to the curb, huh?

She won't leave until she's barley able to stand up. If they end up pushing her around in a wheelchair, then I'd think her life is entirely rooted in her job. Dying at the desk...screw that.

[Iceaxe]

This country owes Kennedy a huge thank you for stepping aside so he could be replaced by Kavanaugh. Kennedy is a true American hero, that was a great judge, and will leave the country a better place then he found it.

[Iceaxe]

Media's biggest Kavanaugh misses: Aspiring hit pieces on Supreme Court pick draw mockery

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/20/medias-biggest-kavanaugh-misses-aspiring-hit-pieces-on-supreme-court-pick-draw-mockery.html

Climb-Utah.com

[Iceaxe]

Hammer, meet nail....

"Watching this confirmation unfold is like watching the tortured last moments of a blowout basketball game, Democrats are down thirty with ten seconds left, but they keep fouling to stop the shot clock in an attempt to avoid their inevitable defeat." -Senator Orrin Hatch, R-Utah

[Iceaxe]

WOW!!! This conformation is going to be UGLY....

Democrat's are using a new tactic, which is to basically lay down on the Senate floor and throw a massive temper tantrum. But they are doing it one at a time, when one finishes the next one goes ballistic.

:popcorn:



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[twotimer]

Yeah, they've got these women all fired up that this guy is coming for their noonie.

They remind me of all these crazy old cat ladies that live around me here at my condo...convinced that there's a rapist lurking behind every bush.

[Iceaxe]

And just to bring ya'll up to date... according to the left, the world as we know it will come to an abrupt and fiery end if Kavanaugh is confirmed to SCOTUS.

Kavanaugh Supreme Court hearing kicks off with numerous arrests as protesters shout down lawmakers

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/04/kavanaugh-supreme-court-hearing-kicks-off-with-numerous-arrests-as-protesters-shout-down-lawmakers.html

[powerplay]

WOW!!! This conformation is going to be UGLY....

Democrat's are using a new tactic, which is to basically lay down on the Senate floor and throw a massive temper tantrum. But they are doing it one at a time, when one finishes the next one goes ballistic.

:popcorn:



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Code Pink's tactics aren't new; their obstructionist tactics were developed around the Bush Era as I understand it, so coming up on 20 years ago. The Woman's March is funding legal help for some of their people but they seem more classically NVD then Code Pink.

And obstruction is in our country's DNA. Odd that so many right-leaning folks mock it. Its not my jam as a centrist but it clearly serves a valid purpose. Not my cup of tea but citizens actively engaging in governance is the point of representative countries like ours. And non-violent disobedience is happening on both sides as we speak. That is what Defense Distributed did with their schematics. Theater is always part of that process.

[powerplay]

Yeah, they've got these women all fired up that this guy is coming for their noonie.

They remind me of all these crazy old cat ladies that live around me here at my condo...convinced that there's a rapist lurking behind every bush.

There is no doubt this will be a turning point for Roe V Wade, ie women's reproductive health. No one is hiding that fact on the right. Pence and several others have been paving this road for a long time. There are 2-3 major socially conservative organizations that have set out influencing Congressional votes for a while on subjects like this. Its uneducated and disingenuous to ignore this fact and then mock women for protecting critical gains they made in previous decades.

Sadly, the DNC played their part in opening this door and evangelicals conservatives are just exploiting that reality. No one group deserves all the credit as they have all pushed Congress and SCOTUS nominations/hearings to this disfunction.

The next step will be the next Democratly owned Congress and POTUS, it will happen if history holds, stacking the court. There is no Constitutional definition for SCOTUS size and its happened several times in the past. But that move (action and counteraction) will just delegitimize to the point of crisis. The "best case" for the foreseeable future, without a noticeable correction, is a SCOTUS that changes ideology every 4-8 years as it becomes loaded with more partisan picks, or at least justices polluted by that perception. And evagelical views/opinions on women's reproductive health will remain a big part of that until libertarians and/or traditional conservatives divorce themselves from that base (never?).

[rockgremlin]

Am I just naive in thinking that the notion of Roe v Wade ever being reversed is fallacy? I always thought that pretty much everybody had come to accept the legality of abortion in the U.S. -- many folks may not like it, but it was always unquestionably here to stay.

Personally, I think all of this panic about Trump's newest SCOTUS picks overturning Roe v Wade is a gross overreaction. I don't see much evidence of that actually becoming a reality. If I'm way off base someone please enlighten me.

[oldno7]

abortion isn't going anywhere, what may change is government funding.

[oldno7]

I'm all in favor of people being able to make their own choices, I'm also very much in favor of the responsibility of those choices, rest on those who make them.

[powerplay]

Am I just naive in thinking that the notion of Roe v Wade ever being reversed is fallacy? I always thought that pretty much everybody had come to accept the legality of abortion in the U.S. -- many folks may not like it, but it was always unquestionably here to stay.

Personally, I think all of this panic about Trump's newest SCOTUS picks overturning Roe v Wade is a gross overreaction. I don't see much evidence of that actually becoming a reality. If I'm way off base someone please enlighten me.

Actually reversed? Not possible.

Legally made invalid through future rulings (plural) Yes. Make no mistake, current laws are working their way into legal confrontation that will require SCOTUS involvement within 2-6 years. The recent dialog involves "deference" to Roe v Wade but that is an intentional framing. Even Lindsey Graham stated yesterday that "it can be overturned, like every other decision" and recognized Kavanaugh's ability to do so:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/kavanaugh-will-give-roe-v-wade-deference-but-could-vote-to-overturn-the-ruling/569203/

Roe v Wade is contextual like every precedent so we only need new laws to be challenged with different context and nuance to ultimately change Roe v Wade's influence and meaning. We just need a SCOTUS willing to build future precedent that expands that broader interpretation. Pro-choice advocates have always known Roe v Wade was a tenuous foundation for abortion access because it is judicial precedent and not legislation. So have Pro-life activists. Several laws are already working their way through the lower courts and they appear to have been designed to do so (given the advise of the state AGs against such laws).

And no, not everyone "accepts" the legality of abortion (within the parameters of Roe v Wade). There have been major movements the last decade that prove this. And citizens are stuck voting for a myriad of issues so its not unusual for a pro-life candidate to get votes from citizens who are pro-choice because of the compromise inherent in voting. Remember, Pence rallied on this very issue in 2016:

"“I’m pro-life and I don’t apologize for it,” he said during a town hall meeting here. “We’ll see Roe vs. Wade consigned to the ash heap of history where it belongs.”

Until we have federal legislation that explicitly protects access to abortion to a defined limit (# of weeks, etc) then Roe v Wade will always be vulnerable to future rulings.

Kavanaugh's ultimate approval won't be armageddon but it will have major implications for not only the types of cases the SCOTUS will accept but ultimately the majority ruling.

[oldno7]

I can't find anything Ted states that I would disagree with.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=767&v=6yNmyekIxH0

[Iceaxe]

And obstruction is in our country's DNA. Odd that so many right-leaning folks mock it.

Oh I'm not mocking obstructionism. Mitch McConnell used it brilliantly to block Merit Garland and insert Neil Gorsuch.

The difference in my opinion is McConnell had a realistic chance and combined it with an excellent end game.

The left has literally zero chance of blocking Brett Kavanaugh and making this work. But in the process they are going to alienate middle America with their tactics.

This reminds me a lot of the massive hole the NFL has dug with the National Anthem Protests. The first rule when you find yourself in a hole should be to stop digging.

YMMV

:popcorn:

[powerplay]

Oh I'm not mocking obstructionism. Mitch McConnell used it brilliantly to block Merit Garland and insert Neil Gorsuch.

The difference in my opinion is McConnell had a realistic chance and combined it with an excellent end game.

The left has literally zero chance of blocking Brett Kavanaugh and making this work. But in the process they are going to alienate middle America with their tactics.

This reminds me a lot of the massive hole the NFL has dug with the National Anthem Protests. The first rule when you find yourself in a hole should be to stop digging.

YMMV

:popcorn:

If your idea is the individuals will alienate some voters, then clearly yes. You overstate and overuse the "left" and the scale of that influence though. I think we'll find the bulk of those who they piss off weren't undecided come the midterms anyways. And the "left" is no more homogeneous then the right is at the moment so your claim is spin at best.

I agree they have little chance of blocking Kavanaugh and I think their strategy is flawed if its focused on that.

Your interpretation is decidedly unbalanced. You talk of McConnells brilliance but don't mention anything how this type of obstruction by a minority group actually recruits people. There should be no doubt that this show of public resistance is gaining traction with women who know the tenuous nature of Roe v Wade. Ignoring the massive recruitment of these groups over the last year is as blindsided as it was for mainstream pundits to ignore Trump's appeal in 2016. Most people aren't paying attention to the fact groups like these are successfully garnering alot of interest and money in some of Trump's 2016 strongholds. In some cases they are fundraising 2to1 in areas that have never swung democrat. All too often those invested in the majority power ignore those realities and we know how that pans out.

And comparing citizen obstruction to the obstruction of the Majority Party's leader isn't remotely apples to apples. Citizens have taken to the floor of public venue with no chance of winning throughout our history and made major strides in the long game. And they have done so against the grain of "middle America" sentiments. Just look at the civil rights movement; they alienated "middle America" to the consternation of JFK and most folks in DC.

[Iceaxe]

Two months and we'll see which one of us is correct. I hope you stick around that long...

In the mean time you can watch me cheer Kavanaugh's confirmation while I drink heartily from the chalice of liberal tears.

Climb-Utah.com

[powerplay]

You won't be alone in the celebration of his appointment.

And I have no clue how the midterms will go. The only thing I am confident of are the lame partisan memes will keep flowing.

It is interesting to watch a portion of "conservatives" so elated by the nomination of a guy who holds some of the most expansive views of Executive Power in our lifetimes. Hard to predict what influence that will have but it should be of concern to anyone that values checks and balances in our federal system. He may have elements of a "strict" interpretation of the Constitution but he is part of a new school of that camp that is a wild card. And my guess is that will come into play sooner than later given both parties love expansive executive power when they are in office.

[Iceaxe]

If Congress truly cared about the balance of power they would stop succeeding their power to the executive branch and instead they would do their job.

Part of being a leader is taking what is handed to you and doing the most with it, I find it hard to condemn any president for doing just that.

[emoji631]

[rockgremlin]

Two months and we'll see which one of us is correct. I hope you stick around that long...


X2

I learn a lot from this back and forth banter. I am not strongly opinionated in the political arena and I tend more towards libertarian on most issues, so I glean a lot from civil discussions like this where two diametrically opposed ideologies talk it out.

[powerplay]

You have vocalized a support for that sort of power many times so I'm not shocked. I'm more Constitutional and libertarian in this regard and Kavanaugh's theories don't align well with the balance of power. And yes, Congress kowtows too much but its a negative feedback cycle that is leading us towards a more authoritarian executive power which isn't friendly to civilian liberty. And its not just about the Congress.

And I think there could be alot of pissed of conservatives down the road when we start to see an Executive who doesn't happen to agree with their stances exert the expansive power they so easily justified in the past. Its why consistency is key in the face of short term temptation but neither party seems to exhibit that trait anymore. But the hypocrisy bites them all in the ass eventually. And while its cathartic while "your" party is in power it ultimately leads to slow erosion of personal liberty.

Dysfunction Junction. When we get past the bread and circuses of this Administration and the unbending resistance of the opposition I think alot of value oriented citizens will look back at the deterioration of Senate norms during these hearings (its been a long road to here) in dismay and be shocked at what was swept under the rug. It will effect citizens of each party differently but there will be detrimental consequences for all of us.

[Iceaxe]

And on that note.... why aren't we hearing anything from the Democrats on how Harry Reid sold them down the river?!?

Inquiring minds want to know....

And just for the record, I consider myself a Libertarian as I'm closer to their ideology than any other.

I also believe Trump is more of a pragmatist than he is a Republican. He is just using the GOP to achieve his end.

YMMV :flag:

[powerplay]

The DNC is in too much disarray at the national level to throw anyone on the alter. The RNC was there not too long ago and will be there again once they survive Trump. Both parties are long overdue for restructuring and have been showing signs of organizational fatigue for a while.

Trump a pragmatist? I disagree. I think he's an opportunist who values the image of power, success and the relevant legacies of those attributes. I think whoever ran his campaign and continues to do so is the strategist who recognized he was a vehicle for policy. He has to throw around enough red meat to satisfy his very diverse and honestly discordant bases. I mean there are folks like you who recognized he was a means to end regarding SCOTUS nominations and the plethora of other lower court seats. There were those after a sense of catharsis of blowing the entire administrative state up. There were those who compromised knowing he was the only right of center choice in the general election. There were die hards fans. And there were undoubtedly those along the spectrum of entho-nationalist to full on white supremacists who heard the dog whistles someone in Trump's campaign knowingly placed. To just name a few. That's not an easy "base" to consistently appease and takes the concept of "big tent" politics to an extreme.

But at the end of the day I think Trump is just in it for himself, and likely setting Ivanka up for a future run. I think its obvious someone is trying to manage a political legacy like the Clinton's and Bush's of years past, whether its actually The Donald or his handlers is tough to diagnose.

[Iceaxe]

But at the end of the day I think Trump is just in it for himself, and likely setting Ivanka up for a future run. I think its obvious someone is trying to manage a political legacy like the Clinton's and Bush's of years past, whether its actually The Donald or his handlers is tough to diagnose.

At the end of the day I couldn't really give a shit why Trump is in it, so long as my lot in life greatly improves I'm all in. To date I've made a small fortune off of what Trump is doing, I'm in the steel industry and I've made more in the past 12 month's then I did in 8 years total under Obama, and this year is setting up to be our best in the past 20 years. And to top it off I'm only going to be taxed at 20% on the first $315,000 I make this year.... To Nancy Pelosi... Crumb's my ass....

So anyhoo.... you can see why I'd be extremely reluctant to vote against anything that is happening right now... That's my current lot in life, if you can improve yours going in a different direction I certainly won't fault you for it.

YMMV

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[oldno7]

...,

[powerplay]

Am I just naive in thinking that the notion of Roe v Wade ever being reversed is fallacy? I always thought that pretty much everybody had come to accept the legality of abortion in the U.S. -- many folks may not like it, but it was always unquestionably here to stay.

Personally, I think all of this panic about Trump's newest SCOTUS picks overturning Roe v Wade is a gross overreaction. I don't see much evidence of that actually becoming a reality. If I'm way off base someone please enlighten me.

" I am not sure that all legal scholars refer to Roe as the settled law of the land at the Supreme Court level since Court can always overrule its precedent, and three current Justices on the Court would do so"

Kavanaugh via email during Bush Years

[powerplay]

I wonder how the Senate will respond to Booker releasing committee classified (ie not traditionally classified) documents:

https://twitter.com/civilrightsorg/status/1037717473729175552

[Iceaxe]

I wonder how the Senate will respond to Booker releasing committee classified (ie not traditionally classified) documents:


Under the speach and debate clause of the constitution a Senater can release whatever they want. And just because a staff member marks a document classified doesn't make it so.

If this is all the Democrats have got I'd like to be the first to welcome Kavanaugh to SCOTUS.

[powerplay]

Under the speach and debate clause of the constitution a Senater can release whatever they want. And just because a staff member marks a document classified doesn't make it so.

If this is all the Democrats have got I'd like to be the first to welcome Kavanaugh to SCOTUS.

I don't know anyone who is doubting he will be nominated. The RNC made that a sure thing by rushing it before the midterms.

But the clause you cite only deals with arrest/prosecution (how does an alleged liberal know the Constitution better than you?). Norms/rules of Senate allow for discipline and possibly expulsion:


“Any Senator, officer or employee of the Senate who shall disclose the secret or confidential business or proceedings of the Senate, including the business and proceedings of the committees, subcommittees and offices of the Senate shall be liable, if a Senator, to suffer expulsion from the body; and if an officer or employee, to dismissal from the service of the Senate, and to punishment for contempt.”

I doubt the Senate will invoke the worst consequences but it will be interesting to watch. They called him out for showboating already which might be enough.

And it wasn't a "staff member" that marked it "confidential" but an internal Senate process for the hearing run by the Senators themselves.

With roughly two months before midterms the democrats are using this to rally their base. "Interim" racial profiling and a clear statement about the ability to "overturn" Roe v Wade will definitely rally folks to the polls.

[oldno7]

this booker deal reminds me exactly of harry reid going nuclear.

thats worked out well for the dems.

[powerplay]

this booker deal reminds me exactly of harry reid going nuclear.

thats worked out well for the dems.

I can see that possibility. These decisions cut both ways.

Nice gloss over the Repubs taking the Garland debacle to the next level. Hard to tell who is the pot or kettle in the ashes of Congressional norms.

[oldno7]

I can see that possibility. These decisions cut both ways.

Nice gloss over the Repubs taking the Garland debacle to the next level. Hard to tell who is the pot or kettle in the ashes of Congressional norms.

Some of us are fighting against political norms, some of you are fighting to keep them.

You may have missed my post where I stated--DC is so inbred I can hear the banjo player from here,

lots of pots and kettles, they need to be tossed out and bring in some air fryers.

[Iceaxe]

Term Limits!!!

Most of these old gators are more worried about their place in the swamp than in doing what's right for the citizens.

[powerplay]

Some of us are fighting against political norms, some of you are fighting to keep them.

You may have missed my post where I stated--DC is so inbred I can hear the banjo player from here,

lots of pots and kettles, they need to be tossed out and bring in some air fryers.

I get you want to be a molotov cocktail to the system at any cost. Sounds really simily to the politicians you rage against actually.

My "Congressional Norms" are rooted in Constitutional/Libertarian views regarding governance not politics. Yours appear to be about "draining the swamp" by flooding it with more salt water and swamp creatures. You are the dysfunction and "politics as normal".

I wonder when diehard MAGA fans will realize every campaign slogan, tweet, etc is designed to manipulate them? Its like the cricket that doesn't know, at least not until its head explodes, its lost control to the horsehair worm. Its the life cycle of the swamp creature.

Trump is a brand and every brand needs its obedient fanatics.

[powerplay]

Term Limits!!!

Most of these old gators are more worried about their place in the swamp than in doing what's right for the citizens.

Could theoretically help. But just look at every 2nd term POTUS to see the downside. At least the fear of elections creates some semblance of representation. The plutocrats and kleptocrats won't be stopped by term limits. They have the money and numbers/networking to protect their own.

The quote might be fabricated but it seems true: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others".

(Before someone rage comments, I know we are a democratic republic. )

[Sombeech]

I wonder when diehard MAGA fans will realize every campaign slogan, tweet, etc is designed to manipulate them?
And the downside is...?

[powerplay]

So you know you are a clueless tool?

I mean I got you to copy and paste a comment claiming you held someone else's junk during your circle jerks so I guess I shouldn't be shocked.

[Sombeech]

I'm seeing no downside to my MAGA brainwashing yet. Sorry you're upset.

[powerplay]

my MAGA brainwashing.

Actually I think I'll just leave that there.

[Sombeech]

Where did I say I was upset?
Bummer, you fell right into that one. Now I'm legit sorry you're upset.

[powerplay]

Well done on capture.

Still not upset, just wanted a different strategy. My bad. One point for you.

[Scott Card]

So you know you are a clueless tool?

I mean I got you to copy and paste a comment claiming you held someone else's junk during your circle jerks so I guess I shouldn't be shocked.

Is this your idea of intellectual banter? This is pathetic and disgusting. Any respect I may have had for your arguments is gone.

[powerplay]

Is this your idea of intellectual banter? This is pathetic and disgusting. Any respect I may have had for your arguments is gone.

Good to know. Never hid my intent when I started trolling these three last week. But their circle jerk has been defining this site since the election; I'm just naming it, and no more explicitly than others gifs, images, etc.

If you are actually worried about your sensibilities you should be honest with yourself about that fact. No sweat off my back either way.

[Iceaxe]

I wonder how the Senate will respond to Booker releasing committee classified (ie not traditionally classified) documents:



Media outlets celebrate Cory Booker's 'Spartacus' moment hours after it was proven to be inaccurate

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/09/06/media-outlets-celebrate-cory-bookers-spartacus-moment-hours-after-it-was-proven-to-be-inaccurate.html

[powerplay]

Media outlets celebrate Cory Booker's 'Spartacus' moment hours after it was proven to be inaccurate

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/09/06/media-outlets-celebrate-cory-bookers-spartacus-moment-hours-after-it-was-proven-to-be-inaccurate.html

Yeah, saw that update. Hope he wasn't putting too much stock in that for a 2020 platform.

But not quite as misguided as Kavanaugh's statement:

"Filling out the form would make them complicit in the provision of the abortion-inducing drugs that they were, as a religious matter, objected to.”

He was referring to the case by Priests for Life which dealt with birth control, not abortion. That was a big tell. Ted Cruz asking the question of Kavanaugh has used similarly incorrect comparisons and names, ie calling contraceptives "abortifacients".

Not only are women accurately concerned about abortion access with Kavanaugh's placement but his slipup shows he actually grouos contraception in that category.

[DirkHammergate]

Damn, is it to late to add odds for Corey Booker's jail time?

Corey Booker 8 to 1
John Kelly 1 to 7 (the mole will be hanged)

[oldno7]

,,..,.

[oldno7]

Good to know. Never hid my intent when I started trolling these three last week. .

And now you know why your girl lost, she didn't have it either.

[oldno7]

My "Congressional Norms" are rooted in Constitutional/Libertarian views regarding governance not politics.

.

so you want booker removed from congress?

He clearly broke rules of governance.

You do understand the governance has to be intermingled with politics it works no other way, :ne_nau:

[Iceaxe]

Yeah, saw that update. Hope he wasn't putting too much stock in that for a 2020 platform.

And in the spirit of the National Anthem thread... To put this in football terms... Booker just fumbled in his own endzone.

ROFLMAO

[powerplay]

And in the spirit of the National Anthem thread... To put this in football terms... Booker just fumbled in his own endzone.

ROFLMAO


Given his odd Spartacus claim it seems more like an old excessive celebration penalty. Just for the lame comparison alone, this was no Spartacus moment.

If his aim was 2020 then it definitely was a fumble. He's hard to read though. I think he cares about his constituents but has listened to the siren calls too much. But I think any WH goals are long gone for him, if he and the DNC are smart.

[powerplay]

so you want booker removed from congress?

He clearly broke rules of governance.

You do understand the governance has to be intermingled with politics it works no other way, :ne_nau:

Keep up, Drunk Uncle. Turns out he didn't as it was declassified before he released it. Was a stunt.

But yes, I am for censuring or more severe consequences when actions allow. But I doubt they never would because it would martyr him which is half the point of civil disobedience. But I'm for consequences that match the scale of the infringement.

Do you think rushing a SCOTUS hearing before all evidence can be inventoried and assessed is in the interest of the people? Do you think they should have greater transparency with the public, ie not withhold most of Kavanaugh's public records? Seems like if you care about personal liberty instead of political expediency then there is a clear answer.

What is your definition of politics, especially the type needed to make governance work considering you want to molotov cocktail the "political norms"? What I have seen from your many posts is a focus on political norms that suit your self-interest and throwing the rest under the bus.

And what is with your odd hate crush on Hillary? She pops up in your threads way too much for a healthy adult. Dude, its been almost two years.

[oldno7]

Theres been more documents turned over on the Cavanaugh hearing than the last 5 nominee's combined.

Your guys know they have no chance so they use this to stall, Your guy harry was a genuis.

And eventually it will all turn around again, if you guys ever dream up a platform besides hate Trump:haha:

[oldno7]

And what is with your odd hate crush on Hillary? She pops up in your threads way too much for a healthy adult. Dude, its been almost two years.

Hillary?

It's not odd to dislike her, she doesn't like herself.

It's not even odd to dislike obama, tens of millions do it daily.(ever try to buy insurance)?

Your probably on medicaid and it doesn't affect you.

[Iceaxe]

Hillary?

It's not odd to dislike her, she doesn't like herself.

ROFLMAO.... Nail, meet hammer.

[powerplay]

Hillary?

It's not odd to dislike her, she doesn't like herself.

It's not even odd to dislike obama, tens of millions do it daily.(ever try to buy insurance)?

Your probably on medicaid and it doesn't affect you.

How much rent do you charge them for residing in your head so much? I don't think about Presidents much after they leave office myself. Don't see much purpose.

And wrong again old man. I'm guessing the only one of us close to living off a government subsidy will be you. I myself have an average healthcare plan through an employer. Buy insurance every year, not any harder to purchase though its cost did rise a few percentage points higher than historical norms since the ACA. Granted, I've also offset some of that loss through a couple of its requirements.

I will say you are like an encyclopedia of dated assumptions, insults and political theory. No one seems to use encyclopedias anymore though. Sad.

[powerplay]

Theres been more documents turned over on the Cavanaugh hearing than the last 5 nominee's combined.

Your guys know they have no chance so they use this to stall, Your guy harry was a genuis.

And eventually it will all turn around again, if you guys ever dream up a platform besides hate Trump:haha:

Who is you guys?

[Sombeech]

Hillary?

It's not odd to dislike her, she doesn't like herself.

:lol8:

[oldno7]

...

[Iceaxe]

I'm thinking Cory Bookers I am Spartacus moment will turn into his Bush 41 "read my lips, no new taxes", or Hillary's "Basket of deplorables" moment, which probably cost both of them an election.

YMMV
[emoji631]

[powerplay]

Last night Fox reported several of the documents in the 2nd batch he released were still classified. Still no Spartacus moment.

Nothing on the scale of those two lines. More like Howard Dean's pig squeal.

[powerplay]

Curious, what percentage of Kavanaugh's records during his time with Bush Admin. have been released?

Is it libturd or RINO to care about personal liberty and privacy, asking so I know how to care about his role/statements on Yoo's warrantless wiretapping on US soil. I can just never remember who is supposed to care about Constitutional protections anymore.

[Iceaxe]

Curious, what percentage of Kavanaugh's records during his time with Bush Admin. have been released?


It helps to understand that basically every single piece of paper that crossed President Bush's desk first crossed Kavanaugh's desk as it was his job to review it before the president received it. And just because Kavanaugh saw it doesn't mean he supported it or not, it was just his job to mention any possible legal ramifications to the subject, if there were any. That's why this is pretty much a non-issue as the paper has nothing to do with Kavanaugh's personal opinions or thoughts, but it would lay bare everything the President of the US was informed of.

On the other hand everyone of Kavanaugh's actual legal brief's, judgements and opinions has been released and these do show Kavanaugh's personal opinions or thoughts among other items.

:flag:

[powerplay]

It helps to understand that basically every single piece of paper that crossed President Bush's desk first crossed Kavanaugh's desk as it was his job to review it before the president received it. And just because Kavanaugh saw it doesn't mean he supported it or not, it was just his job to mention any possible legal ramifications to the subject, if there were any. That's why this is pretty much a non-issue as the paper has nothing to do with Kavanaugh's personal opinions or thoughts, but it would lay bare everything the President of the US was informed of.

On the other hand everyone of Kavanaugh's actual legal brief's, judgements and opinions has been released and these do show Kavanaugh's personal opinions or thoughts among other items.

:flag:

Nice attempt at a diversion. Never answered the question.

And how would his response to significant legal issues of our era not expose "Kavanaugh's personal opinions or thoughts" any less than his other professional duty as a judge?

[Iceaxe]

:roll:

Liberals will still be asking for paper work that has nothing to do with the price of rice in China while Kavanaugh is arranging his desk in the Supreme Court... Enjoy...

[powerplay]

You clearly don't understand those roles than from an alleged Constitutionalist perspective. A judge's (professional) opinions should be less personal than a POTUS's chosen counsel. We would actually see more of Kavanaugh's bias in those Bush year documents than in his time as a judge if he was the man so many Republicans say he is.

Nice attempt at spin. Its what partisan hacks do to cover up glaring weaknesses in their argument.

[devo_stevo]

....though its cost did rise a few percentage points higher than historical norms since the ACA......
This gets my vote for the understatement of the year. Try being self employed and buying it yourself. It's obscene.

[powerplay]

This gets my vote for the understatement of the year. Try being self employed and buying it yourself. It's obscene.

I've been self employed, its always been obscene. Employers cover a massive portion of the true cost of insurance that most can't afford. Its why most self employed people I know were uninsured, and remained so even under the ACA the first few years until the fines really started building.

(I was and remain against the personal mandate).

[Sombeech]

Some people are going to be very disappointed with the lack of bias and prejudice found in the Kavanaugh documents they are waiting to read.

[devo_stevo]

Indeed. I've been paying the tax penalty for the last 3 years as it's roughly equivalent to just over one month's premiums. You are punished for being successful under the current system, and that's not going to change anytime soon as it's not politically popular to really do anything about it.

[Iceaxe]

This gets my vote for the understatement of the year. Try being self employed and buying it yourself. It's obscene.

I agree 100%.

I own three companies and employ a couple dozen people and Obama care has doubled the cost of insurance, and our insurance is not as good as it was. If your insurance has not gone up exponentially it's because someone like me is covering your share. And I'm tired of paying for your share.

Biggest Obama lie ever... if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance.

/End Discussion

[powerplay]

Is life hard running three companies Ice? Poor thing. And nothing you do pays for my share, my company does that with the labor I exchange for benefits and salary. If anything the company I work for has always helped subsize the cost of your small businesses insurance. Its the way its always worked.

PS... you aren't as good at numbers if you don't realize not everyone experienced a "doubling" of insurance costs. And my insurance did get better in the process.

[Iceaxe]

Is life hard running three companies Ice? Poor thing. And nothing you do pays for my share, my company does that with the labor I exchange for benefits and salary. If anything the company I work for has always helped subsize the cost of your small businesses insurance. Its the way its always worked.

PS... you aren't as good at numbers if you don't realize not everyone experienced a "doubling" of insurance costs. And my insurance did get better in the process.

Don't be a dumbass, I never said everyone's insurance doubled, but mine and my employees, that I also pay for has double. We also don't have as good of insurance as we once did. I have no doubt that the bottom end of the spectrum have it better, I know that for a fact because I'm subsidizing it.

Also keep in mind your employer could pay you more if he wasn't subsidizing your insurance. I don't think many employees realize the huge pay increase they have received over the past few years because many employers, my self included, have not directly passed the insurance increase on to employees.

Socialism (socialized medicine) is great and works wonderfully until you run out of other people's money.

YMMV
MAGA
[emoji631]

[powerplay]

Don't be a dumbass, I never said everyone's insurance doubled, but mine and my employees, that I also pay for has double. We also don't have as good of insurance as we once did. I have no doubt that the bottom end of the spectrum have it better, I know that for a fact because I'm subsidizing it.

Also keep in mind your employer could pay you more if he wasn't subsidizing your insurance. I don't think many employees realize the huge pay increase they have received over the past few years because many employers, my self included, have not directly passed the insurance increase on to employees.

Socialism (socialized medicine) is great and works wonderfully until you run out of other people's money.

YMMV
MAGA
[emoji631]

Interesting backtrack. You are normally so confident. Like just a second ago:



...Obama care has doubled the cost of insurance, and our insurance is not as good as it was. If your insurance has not gone up exponentially it's because someone like me is covering your share

You made it clear the ACA doubled the cost of insurance in general, not just as a reference to "your" insurance, as you clearly used that necessary descriptor in every other part of the sentence. And we all know this is a common, lazy claim by partisans who like to hide all the nuance. And do you not actually know what exponentially means?

Fully aware of cost of insurance, likely better than you given the budget I manage. And I know your small business isn't subsizing many people. Quite the opposite, when you honestly look at scale, us big corporations help you keep your cost down . But you aren't known for a honest accounting of the facts.

Your explanations are a disappointing portrayal of free enterprise. Most owners and managers I know don't whine as much as you do about what has always been the costs of keeping quality employees, which any smart business owner (at least not publicly traded) knows is the key to making butt loads of cash. I know the facts as well as you, I just don't gripe on the internet via a fake narrative.

We pay our employees what they are worth, provide quality/expensive benefits and do so with a smile. And our profits show it, even during the alleged bad years of Obama (those first 15 months after the 2016 election were nice though).

When you stop gloating about making buttloads of profit and publisizing trips to Mexico than I will lump you in with the small businesses truly hurt by the ACA, because they do exist and provide plenty of evidence of its glaring flaws.

Your concept of socialized medicine is laughable but it doesn't matter as we won't ever likely experience it at federal level in this country. Wish more people would just use the system as designed and do it at the state level if they wanted it. Our country is just too big, too diverse and doesn't share the same principles as those much smaller democratic socialist countries Sanders is modeling off of.

[Iceaxe]

Cory Booker is now being referred to as "Senator Spartacus" by the GOP.

ROFLMAO

That there is dang funny, I don't care who you are.

[emoji631]

Climb-Utah.com

[powerplay]

:roll:

Liberals will still be asking for paper work that has nothing to do with the price of rice in China while Kavanaugh is arranging his desk in the Supreme Court... Enjoy...

Will be interesting to see how statements like this one and the previous one age. Seems so many people who claim to care about the Constitution ironically care more about power and its personal benefits.

https://amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/judge-brett-kavanaugh-should-be-impeached-for-lying-during-his-confirmation-hearings.html

Even better when seen under the spotlight so many folks like OldNo7 turned on against Clinton. It would seem allegations of perjury would be important to investigate when it comes to a lifetime appointment. Especially when its documented multiple times and after the WH and Senate majority are still hiding the years of documents its been alleged to happen. We already have proof but it does rightfully make one concerned about the 90%+ of the documents they're hiding from the full Senate and public from Kavanaugh's tenure with the Bush administration. I mean, it's not like people within that administration did anything contrary to the Constitution, right?

#MAGA
#draintheswamp

[oldno7]

..,,

[Iceaxe]

Where's Spartacus?!?

Left wing fumes at Democratic leaders over Kavanaugh: 'You are failing us'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/08/left-wing-fumes-at-dem-leaders-over-kavanaugh-are-failing-us.html

[oldno7]

..,

[oldno7]

,,,.,

[Sombeech]

BRING ON THE CHARGES

[Iceaxe]

,,,.,That's money!

[DirkHammergate]

BRING ON THE CHARGES

He's definitely getting jailed.....

[oldno7]

,,.,

[oldno7]

,.,,.,

[oldno7]

,,,,

[oldno7]

..,,.

[oldno7]

Confirmation video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=59&v=wGO2fz1KlSc

[devo_stevo]

That was awesome. Thanks for sharing.

[Iceaxe]

That was awesome. Thanks for sharing.X2

[Sombeech]

But what is he hidinghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180912/3a320435d6e02eddcffbc98cbc06ecc1.jpg

[rockgremlin]

But what is he hidinghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180912/3a320435d6e02eddcffbc98cbc06ecc1.jpg



Here's the other funnier version that includes the dialogue:


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https://i.redditmedia.com/PqejJjKRuU7ilQhC-yz12CjXiiVheeuYJMm90OEvtxw.jpg?w=534&

https://i.redditmedia.com/PqejJjKRuU7ilQhC-yz12CjXiiVheeuYJMm90OEvtxw.jpg?w=534&

[oldno7]

...,

[oldno7]

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[oldno7]

/..,

[oldno7]

../,

[DirkHammergate]

Hilarious!

https://politics.theonion.com/gop-releases-new-letter-supporting-kavanaugh-signed-by-1829119874

[oldno7]

./.,.

[Iceaxe]

This is a load of male bovine excrement... the chick accuses Kavanaugh of a crime 34 years ago and now it appears she is bailing on testifying under oath.... this is just wrong....

Kavanaugh accuser has not yet accepted invitation to testify before Congress

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/kavanaugh-accuser-has-not-yet-accepted-invitation-to-testify-before-congress.html

[powerplay]

This is a load of male bovine excrement... the chick accuses Kavanaugh of a crime 34 years ago and now it appears she is bailing on testifying under oath.... this is just wrong....


#Anotherlie

It takes some serious party-line spin to assume she is bailing on testifying simply because she and her lawyer have yet to agree to the terms of a senate hearing in less than 24 hours. I mean how many months have Trump and Mueller been working on terms now? Grassley extended an offer yesterday at some point and she only named herself this weekend; she initially requested earlier this summer to remain anonymous and to not have her letter go public. I mean how dare she remain under on the consultation of her lawyer for a couple days until they strike an acceptable deal. The only one to point fingers at right now is whoever in Feinstein's office leaked the letter to the press in the first place.

And this is what happens to SCOTUS hearings when both sides make it hyperpartisan. We're past Harry Reid's accountability. We are past the Garland debacle. This is now Trump fast-tracking Kavanaugh without enough time to properly research his full record. When you expedite the hearing of the personal hit man for Ken Starr and Bush's professional counsel without the relevant documents of that era than the opposition is going to dig in and play as dirty.

Welcome to the never-ending arms race of hyper-partisan court stacking. This isn't traditional conservative or libertarian behavior.

#FillingtheSwamp

[DirkHammergate]

I'm actually looking forward to the moment Orrin Hatch criminalizes her for being a woman and tells her to apologize to Kavanaugh a couple dozen times.

[powerplay]

Hatch use to be somewhat of a statesman. Now he is just a useless crony. He's already shown his partisan loyalty. When asked if accusations were proven true, he responded:

"If that were true, I think it would be hard for senators not to consider who he is today. He has denied this and I feel bad that this happened to him."

#theswamp

[Iceaxe]

Republicans will skip hearings and just move forward with his confirmation if she refuses to testify. Which we all know is what will happen in the end as her story is riddled with holes.

Grassley suggests last-minute Kavanaugh hearing could be canceled if accuser doesn’t accept invite

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/grassley-suggests-last-minute-kavanaugh-hearing-could-be-canceled-if-accuser-doesn-t-accept-invite.html

[powerplay]

Republicans will skip hearings and just move forward with his confirmation if she refuses to testify. Which we all know is what will happen in the end as her story is riddled with holes.

Grassley suggests last-minute Kavanaugh hearing could be canceled if accuser doesn’t accept invite

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/grassley-suggests-last-minute-kavanaugh-hearing-could-be-canceled-if-accuser-doesn-t-accept-invite.html

I thought Kavanaugh was a sure thing but his boat is definitely taking on water. Mark Judge, the alleged accomplice and Kavanaugh's close high school friend, appears unwilling to testify under oath. Who wants to perjure themselves? This guy wrote memoirs that go into detail about the types of party's the alleged victim described and about less than honorable debauchery. "Wasted" isn't exactly a book you want referenced at your Senate hearing.

Things are getting ugly. The RNC could lose alot of moderate voters and women for the midterms if they keep handling this so poorly.

I'm guessing Kavanaugh is now regretting saying "what happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep. That’s been a good thing for all of us" back in 2015.

[Iceaxe]

I still think Kavanaugh is a done deal.... this is just the democrats version of Clarence Thomas 2.0...

...but if not...

Democrats better be careful of what they wish for or they stand a good chance of ending up with an even more conservative judge than Kavanaugh... Amy Barrett will probably get the job if Kavanaugh is scuttled...

Anyhoo... the next week is sure to be filled with lots of drama from the mainstream media...

Climb-Utah.com

[savanna3313]

Couldn't resist....... :ne_nau:


https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42146029_1868220279880803_1031480303585067008_n.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=ff4fdba49e699ff98d39cd999caf8575&oe=5C263205

[oldno7]

And I don't regret the fact, that made me smile..

[Iceaxe]

Kavanaugh's accuser just bailed out the side door exit.... Kavanaugh's confirmation should be back on track by next Wednesday unless the Democrats figure out a way to conjures up more smoke and mirrors...

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford demands 'full investigation' by FBI before testifying, in letter from her lawyers

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/kavanaugh-accuser-christine-blasey-ford-demands-full-investigation-by-fbi-before-testifying-in-letter-from-her-lawyers.html

Climb-Utah.com

[double moo]

Dems put just enough doubt in the borderline Repubs that it may take a bit of time to convince Flake, Murkowski, and Collins... without them they don't have the votes.

[double moo]

But.. if a 3 and a half decade old sexual assualt claim means that much to all of them I think it's time for the whole group of Bill Clinton assaultees to get back on theband wagon - and take down HRC for being and active participant in their defamation.

[Iceaxe]

Dems put just enough doubt in the borderline Repubs that it may take a bit of time to convince Flake, Murkowski, and Collins... without them they don't have the votes.
The borderline Republicans are all indicating they will vote for Kavanaugh if she doesn't testify.

Flake in particular said he just wanted to give her the opportunity to tell her story and if she doesn't testify he'll vote to confirm.

Climb-Utah.com

[oldno7]

Collins said if she didn't show up Monday, she would vote to confirm as well.



This whole story is rapidly blowing up.

Now swinestain says she doesn't know if any of it is true.

[oldno7]

Another Spartacus moment

“Telling one’s own personal story is often the most powerful way to make a point, or, more importantly, to make people think,” Booker wrote in the February 19, 1992 column for the Stanford Daily, under the headline “So Much for Stealing Second.”
“When grandiose statements entrenched in politically correct terminology are made, many may listen but few will hear,” Booker continued. “When I hesitated in writing this column, I realized I was basking in hypocrisy. So instead I chose to write and risk.”
“New Year’s Eve 1984,” Booker recalled. “I will never forget. I was 15. As the ball dropped, I leaned over to hug a friend and she met me instead with an overwhelming kiss.”
Things apparently moved very quickly for the young man, who recalled thinking of sex as a “game.”
“As we fumbled upon the bed, I remember debating my next ‘move’ as if it were a chess game. With the ‘Top Gun’ slogan ringing in my head, I slowly reached for her breast. After having my hand pushed away once, I reached my ‘mark,’” Booker wrote.

https://dailycaller.com/2013/08/11/in-college-column-cory-booker-revealed-time-he-groped-friend-and-she-resisted/

[oldno7]

./,.

[oldno7]

Even taking the facts as alleged, this was a drunk 15 year old, and a drunk 17 year old at a party. There was no rape, her clothes didn't come off, there was no touching of her genitals, etc.. There is no evidence of physical harm at all. I think a lot of people would be hesitant at holding that against a 17 year old for the rest of his life. And that's if it was true.

So the dems want to die on the teenagers shouldn't be teenagers hill, along with sooo many other falsities.

[oldno7]

/..,

[oldno7]

..,

[oldno7]

....

[oldno7]

,,,.,

[uintafly]

GOP view on sexual assault:

"She was drunk, it was her fault she was raped"
"He was drunk, it wasn't his fault"

[rockgremlin]

Even taking the facts as alleged, this was a drunk 15 year old, and a drunk 17 year old at a party. There was no rape, her clothes didn't come off, there was no touching of her genitals, etc.. There is no evidence of physical harm at all. I think a lot of people would be hesitant at holding that against a 17 year old for the rest of his life.


^^^ Hell, what horny 17 year old didn't do all of the stuff listed above? It's called "Truth or Dare," and every kid I knew growing up played the game at least a half dozen times throughout grades 7 - 12.


What's next? Are they gonna dredge up "Toilet Papering" and "Doorbell Ditching" incidents too? :roll:

[Iceaxe]

"She was drunk, it was her fault she was raped"

First off, by all accounts, including Ford's... she was NOT raped.

If Ford's account is true a 17 y/o boy grabbed some boob over the top of her clothing.

[rockgremlin]

http://www.bogley.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=90619&stc=1&d=1537362719


Hmmmmm....how convenient....

[Sombeech]

What's next? Are they gonna dredge up "Toilet Papering" and "Doorbell Ditching" incidents too? :roll:

This is why I have given up on my goals to pursue public office

[rockgremlin]

This is why I have given up on my goals to pursue public office


It just seems like it has gotten out of control to the point of complete and utter lunacy. Things that normal, sane, rational thinking humans would reasonably dismiss as folly are now being openly credited as valid truth.

It's like the line between civility and hogwash has been blurred so much that now there is no longer a discernible difference between the two.


We need a new plague.

[powerplay]

^^^ Hell, what horny 17 year old didn't do all of the stuff listed above? It's called "Truth or Dare," and every kid I knew growing up played the game at least a half dozen times throughout grades 7 - 12.


What's next? Are they gonna dredge up "Toilet Papering" and "Doorbell Ditching" incidents too? :roll:

By oldno7's summary?

I hope ya'll took the time to read her letter. Pinning someone down by force and then groping them is sexual" assault. Its not a difficult concept except for the douche bros of the RNC that say things like "legitimate rape" and women's bodies can "shut that whole thing down" and that raped women shouldn't be allowed to abort a fetus.

This event has definitely justified why l can't vote party line. Its why my wife and daughter will always be unaffiliated. So many people jumping on the honey wagon and claiming its not full of crap.

[powerplay]

^^^ Hell, what horny 17 year old didn't do all of the stuff listed above? It's called "Truth or Dare," and every kid I knew growing up played the game at least a half dozen times throughout grades 7 - 12.


What's next? Are they gonna dredge up "Toilet Papering" and "Doorbell Ditching" incidents too? :roll:


Speaking publicly for the first time, Ford said that one summer in the early 1980s, Kavanaugh and a friend — both “stumbling drunk,” Ford alleges — corralled her into a bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house in Montgomery County.While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.
“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house.

If you did this in high school then you committed sexual assault.

Sometimes its best to STFU when you don't know what you are talking about. Just a thought.

[powerplay]

Here's my guess, Rock. You know sh&t like I quoted above is f*&^ing lame and assault. You would never do that and haven't in your past.

But don't you have to ask yourself then why you went along with drunk uncle's bullsh%t summary? I mean, he ignored some key details. Only stuff violent men do if the women isn't consenting. Why would drunk uncle omit that unless he's willing to lie and be as toxic as the worst politicians out there? You know, the ones he memes us to death with.

She's been polygraphed already and passed. Her description fits sexual assault counts to a T. She has professional notes from her therapist long before any of this circus was possible.

But lets make this look like just another "boys will be boys" mistake?

So why go out of your way to spread more BS on the issue?

I sure hope you never have to deal with a loved one assaulted like this. I have. So maybe you'll understand why I call BS on this type of lame bu$%sh^&. This isn't normal.

[oldno7]

biden, vice groper/assaulter in chief.

And he does it in public

[oldno7]

Heres your criminal case, pictures as evidence, of which there is no--pictures or evidence on 40 year old lies.

[oldno7]

..,.See--evidence of criminal activity--and no one cares, just joe being joe

[oldno7]

..,.Wheres the manufactured outrage?

[powerplay]

I rest my case.

[rockgremlin]

Here's my guess, Rock. You know sh&t like I quoted above is f*&^ing lame and assault. You would never do that and haven't in your past.

But don't you have to ask yourself then why you went along with drunk uncle's bullsh%t summary? I mean, he ignored some key details. Only stuff violent men do if the women isn't consenting. Why would drunk uncle omit that unless he's willing to lie and be as toxic as the worst politicians out there? You know, the ones he memes us to death with.

She's been polygraphed already and passed. Her description fits sexual assault counts to a T. She has professional notes from her therapist long before any of this circus was possible.

But lets make this look like just another "boys will be boys" mistake?

So why go out of your way to spread more BS on the issue?

I sure hope you never have to deal with a loved one assaulted like this. I have. So maybe you'll understand why I call BS on this type of lame bu$%sh^&. This isn't normal.


Nope, you're 100% correct.

Admittedly I pushed the reply button in too much haste without making an effort at actually searching elsewhere for the unvarnished truth. That was my bad, I'll admit. I try not to do that, and I think most of the time I succeed.

The published account you posted does legitimately cross the line into sexual assault. Big difference between playing spin-the-bottle and/or truth or dare and holding someone down with one hand and stifling cries for help with the other.

[powerplay]

I figured. Thanks for response to my follow-up and my bad for rougher first comment.

This is why I think internet users like oldno7 are poison.

[rockgremlin]

I figured. Thanks for response to my follow-up and sorry for rougher first comment.

This is why I think internet users like oldno7 are poison.


Keep fighting the good fight. Most folks would just give up and leave. Many already have.

I've made a concerted effort at trying to check my ego at the door when I come on here. When I'm wrong I don't have any qualms at admitting it...and no hard feelings on the rough comment. None of anything on this forum is personal.

[oldno7]

Any assault or rape against anyone, is a heinous crime to be punishable to the full extent of the law, no one would argue differently.

A purported incident that happened almost 40 years ago and wasn't brought to light until it is politically convenient is very likely not a crime

Anyone who falsely makes statements to attack an innocent person and purposefully try to destroy a career is also a heinous crime.

Both should be prosecuted.

The claimant has every chance to tell her story on Monday, if she in fact does and presents credible evidence, the case should be opened and investigated.

If she fails to comply, she never had a case.

Nice try to write the narrative but your comments are disingenuous at best.

[oldno7]

Poison is when a sitting senator from california, sits on a letter, all throughout a hearing, then present's it when all other lies have failed her and her party.

Politically convenient.

I will side with Mr. Kavanaugh and his innocence, he stated he was never at said party.

If someone can prove otherwise, they need to bring the evidence on monday.

If the facts are clear, that shouldn't be a problem.

[rockgremlin]

Poison is when a sitting senator from california, sits on a letter, all throughout a hearing, then present's it when all other lies have failed her and her party.

Politically convenient.


I've noticed this seems to be a common theme. Isn't this what Hilary did with that "Grab her in the p*ssy" video clip just mere weeks before the election? She waited to release it until it would inflict the maximum amount of damage.

[powerplay]

Any assault or rape against anyone, is a heinous crime to be punishable to the full extent of the law, no one would argue differently.

A purported incident that happened almost 40 years ago and wasn't brought to light until it is politically convenient is very likely not a crime

Anyone who falsely makes statements to attack an innocent person and purposefully try to destroy a career is also a heinous crime.

Both should be prosecuted.

The claimant has every chance to tell her story on Monday, if she in fact does and presents credible evidence, the case should be opened and investigated.

If she fails to comply, she never had a case.

Nice try to write the narrative but your comments are disingenuous at best.

Oh buddy, you've written a clear narrative for long enough. I'm just summarizing your role here.

And that's not how sexual assault experiences work. You might benefit from less meme patrol and more listening to victims if you truly care about them. If you knew victims you might understand why they might not submit to a staged political circus without certain demands. Remember, she wanted to remain anonymous; someone in the Feinstein office leaked this story (as pathetic as you are).

But I actually think the only thing you care about here is perpetuating bullsh&t. Haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise.

You are the Swamp.

[Iceaxe]

I've noticed this seems to be a common theme. Isn't this what Hilary did with that "Grab her in the p*ssy" video clip just mere weeks before the election? She waited to release it until it would inflict the maximum amount of damage.

It's called an October Surprise and is a common tactic in political elections. The term even has it's own entry in the dictionary.

Oc·to·ber sur·prise
noun
Any political event orchestrated (or apparently orchestrated) in the month before an election, in the hopes of affecting the outcome.

:flag:

[Iceaxe]

So the Democrats have manufactured outrage.... and in response the Republicans have manufactured empathy..... Looks like everyone has covered their bases...

Kavanaugh gets confirmed before the mid-terms.... there is not a chance in hell the GOP are going to let the Democrats pull a Merit Garland on them.

:flag:

Food for thought.... Just imagine the fake manufactured outrage if he had of allegedly grabbed her pussy! I think the Dems missed a golden opportunity with the just going for the tit story.

:popcorn:

[powerplay]

It's called an October Surprise and is a common tactic in political elections. The term even has it's own entry in the dictionary.

Oc·to·ber sur·prise
noun
Any political event orchestrated (or apparently orchestrated) in the month before an election, in the hopes of affecting the outcome.

:flag:

Definitely common.

Though the only indicator is that is was done by NBC or by a pissed off Apprentice employee after Trump denied the allegations they printed. No evidence anywhere of a relationship to Hillary or DNC. Its not like the Clinton's have a great reputation for treatment of women. Talk about obvious blowback.

[powerplay]

So the Democrats have manufactured outrage.... and in response the Republicans have manufactured empathy..... Looks like everyone has covered their bases...

Kavanaugh gets confirmed before the mid-terms.... there is not a chance in hell the GOP are going to let the Democrats pull a Merit Garland on them.

:flag:

Food for thought.... Just imagine the fake manufactured outrage if he had of allegedly grabbed her pussy! I think the Dems missed a golden opportunity with the just going for the tit story.

:popcorn:

Both sides are playing their hands.

Kavanaugh could still get confirmed but even Trump expressed his doubt today.

RNC will get a SCOTUS before end of year but not certain it will be Kavanaugh. I'd be happy with a Libertarian leanining judge without Kavanaugh's baggage myself. He was and remains too affected by his partisan history. Let someone who didn't personally serve a president who infringed on civil liberties take the bench instead.

[oldno7]

I really like the justice system, where one is innocent until "proven" guilty.

[powerplay]

I really like the justice system, where one is innocent until "proven" guilty.

This isn't a trial and she isn't pressing charges (way past statute of limitations).

This is judicial appointment that relies on public record, opinion and judgement of character. All of it is subjective.

[oldno7]

So ppp, in your subjective state---what is Kavanaughs relief if none of this is true?

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Oh dang!!

For those unfamiliar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

[powerplay]

So ppp, in your subjective state---what is Kavanaughs relief if none of this is true?

Relief?

His legal recourse is the same as any citizen, though the bar is tougher on public figures (though this may be a different scenario). Hint: its the law your MAGA guy has no clue about given he wants to change it at the federal level.

Kavanaugh won't go that way though. It would require Ford to testify under oath. You know, the guy who wrote a memoir bragging about being blackout drunk at that school and college. The guy who seems to be quoted saying some women are dressed to be raped. And countless other people.

His "team" appears to have pulled the wool over his supporter's eyes. Do you actually believe he didn't know this could pop up and just randomly had a letter signed by 65 women from that high school? I mean who does that in advance?

But I don't believe for a second you are concerned about him given your actions here. Do you actually expect me to believe you care about a public figures reputation? Ha.

[oldno7]

"Then he tries to kiss me again. And the second time he tries to kiss me he starts biting my lip … He starts to, um, bite on my top lip and I tried to pull away from him. And then he forces me down on the bed. And I just was very frightened, and I tried to get away from him and I told him 'No,' that I didn't want this to happen but he wouldn't listen to me."
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(Source: Twitter.)

"It was a real panicky, panicky situation," she said. "I was even to the point where I was getting very noisy, you know, yelling to 'Please stop.' And that's when he pressed down on my right shoulder and he would bite my lip. … When everything was over with, he got up and straightened himself, and I was crying at the moment and he walks to the door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And before he goes out the door he says, 'You better get some ice on that.' And he turned and went out the door."


https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/broaddrick-fbi-probe-ford-allegation-then-investigate-my-rape

[powerplay]

"Then he tries to kiss me again. And the second time he tries to kiss me he starts biting my lip … He starts to, um, bite on my top lip and I tried to pull away from him. And then he forces me down on the bed. And I just was very frightened, and I tried to get away from him and I told him 'No,' that I didn't want this to happen but he wouldn't listen to me."
https://www.cnsnews.com/s3/files/styles/content_100p/s3/screen_shot_2018-09-19_at_10.10.22_am.png?itok=DDhuSgo4
(Source: Twitter.)

"It was a real panicky, panicky situation," she said. "I was even to the point where I was getting very noisy, you know, yelling to 'Please stop.' And that's when he pressed down on my right shoulder and he would bite my lip. … When everything was over with, he got up and straightened himself, and I was crying at the moment and he walks to the door, and calmly puts on his sunglasses. And before he goes out the door he says, 'You better get some ice on that.' And he turned and went out the door."


https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/broaddrick-fbi-probe-ford-allegation-then-investigate-my-rape

So I assume you are concerned about what type of "relief" Bill Clinton gets given these accusations have never gone to trial? Or that you believe these should only be settled in court and Bill is innocent until proven guilty?

Nope. Then I guess its obvious you are hypocrite and conservative hack.

I gladly admit that Bill Clinton has been accussed of heinous sexual crimes. I openly dislike the Clintons and their place in politics.

See how consistency works?

[oldno7]

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[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

Juanita Broaddrick Blasts Hillary Clinton Over Due Process

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/09/19/juanita-broaddrick-responds-hillary-clinton-brett-kavanaugh-due-process

[powerplay]

Interesting difference in details.

Blasey's Letter:


Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's

Kavanaugh response Monday


this false allegation, from 36 years ago

Why is his response more specific than her's if it didn't happen? Seems like his comment would be less specific if the action didn't happen. Why does he know the exact year of a supposedly fake event?

[Iceaxe]

Why does he know the exact year of a supposedly fake event?

Is what I want to know is why she doesn't know where or when an event happened that supposedly ruined her life? That is why you'll never see Ford under oath with regards to this matter.

I knew Ford was bat shit crazy when the words couple counseling were mentioned... I feel sorry for the poor sucker that married her... you are welcome to an opposing opinion.



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[powerplay]

It's common for victims to remember years/decades later and not know all of the details.

And people go under oath all of the time with such ambiguous details. Her lawyer will have no problem preparing her for that.

Requesting an FBI investigation = official record and potential perjury charges if she ever contradicts herself ina hearing. Not sure why they want that though as it wasn't an alleged federal offense. But there is no benefit to her to start a federal investigation if she is "lieing" (nod) about the whole thing, ie heavy punishment.

[Iceaxe]

According to a 19th century legend, the Truth and the Lie meet one day. The Lie says to the Truth: "It's a marvellous day today"! The Truth looks up to the skies and sighs, for the day was really beautiful. They spend a lot of time together, ultimately arriving beside a well. The Lie tells the Truth: "The water is very nice, let's take a bath together!" The Truth, once again suspicious, tests the water and discovers that it indeed is very nice. They undress and start bathing. Suddenly, the Lie comes out of the water, puts on the clothes of the Truth and runs away. The furious Truth comes out of the well and runs everywhere to find the Lie and to get her clothes back. The World, seeing the Truth naked, turns its gaze away, with contempt and rage. The poor Truth returns to the well and disappears forever, hiding therein, its shame. Since then, the Lie travels around the world, dressed as the Truth, satisfying the needs of society, because, the World, in any case, harbours no wish at all to meet the naked Truth.

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[powerplay]

Is this your way of admitting how many #fakenews lies you spread?

[Sombeech]

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[Iceaxe]

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[oldno7]

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[Iceaxe]

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This pic is money... at least we now all know what powerplay looks like.

:roflol:

[BasinCruiser]

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Well.....yes and no. I have a close family member who underwent and very traumatic event in childhood. That event and everything surrounding it has been completely blocked from memory. It's like in the presence of something so traumatic, the brain just installs a firewall as a defense mechanism. Krazy how that works, but it's completely true.

[BasinCruiser]

This isn't a trial and she isn't pressing charges (way past statute of limitations).

This is judicial appointment that relies on public record, opinion and judgement of character. All of it is subjective.

So, the real question is: Given what we know, should allegations (that are shady at best, unsubstantiated with no corroboration, however countered with loads of positive character witness support for the accussed) from 35 years ago be sufficient to blindside and destroy a persons career and character? Furthermore, should they stop the US Senate from voting on SCOTUS confirmation? If so, that is an extremely dangerous and scary precident to set - which appears to be what is happening.

[Sombeech]

Trump shoulda nominated Hillary to SCOTUS so we can finally get a thorough investigation on her.

[powerplay]

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Says alot about a good, upstanding mormon that they think allegations of sexual assault (forcably pinning down, holding mouth shut, trying to remove clothes without consent) are meme worthy and comparable to spin the bottle. Funny right? Its not like Sombeech had a thread that exposed that fact he could reference.

[Iceaxe]

https://rabidrepublicanblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Christine-Blasey-Ford-Anita-Hill.jpg

[powerplay]

I was wrong on the statute of limitations. No such law in place in Maryland for attempted rape or rape. Seems like there are now calls for the state to step in and investigate instead of the FBI (which I don't believe has any authority in the case to begin with).

Nothing like a SCOTUS appointee being under investigation for sexual assault to represent conservative values well, huh?

I think the odds of Kavanaugh withdrawing or being cut loose by Trump are going up. Still unlikely by viable.

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

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[powerplay]

One point of clarity. The meme by rockgremlin isn't her. Its a shutterstock photo. Many of the allegations against her character have been proven false already. But none of them affect the allegations.

And what you are doing, as well as Sombeech and Oldno7, is exactly why any victim would be hesitant to appear at a Senate hearing without first having a formal investigation. Anita Hill is a good comparison. That made the Senate look like a circus (both sides). But even then the hearing didn't happen until an investigation happened. By the FBI because it was allegations of sexual harassment during federal employment. But both were interviewed and polygraphed before the hearing.

Ugly all around.

[Sombeech]

Says alot about a good, upstanding mormon that they think allegations of sexual assault (forcably pinning down, holding mouth shut, trying to remove clothes without consent) are meme worthy and comparable to spin the bottle. Funny right? Its not like Sombeech had a thread that exposed that fact he could reference.
:roflol:

[oldno7]

The democrat upholder and champion of womens rights, yea, the hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

[Iceaxe]

Something that's kind of getting lost in all this is how Feinstein tossed Ford under the bus. Nothing like sacrificing your soldiers to maintain your power.

[BasinCruiser]

Should Cory Booker resign?



https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/09/20/spartacus-had-roamin-hands-cory-booker-admitted-to-groping-high-school-friend-n2520919

[oldno7]

And to prove this liberal/progressive manufactured outrage, I bring you Karen Monahan.

[oldno7]

Should Cory Booker resign?



https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/09/20/spartacus-had-roamin-hands-cory-booker-admitted-to-groping-high-school-friend-n2520919


absolutely not, he's a democrat and its allowed on that side.

[powerplay]

:roflol:

Looks like I guessed wrong from all of your acting like a victim of liberal change.

If so, another point for the Dom DeLuise lookalike.

[powerplay]

Something that's kind of getting lost in all this is how Feinstein tossed Ford under the bus. Nothing like sacrificing your soldiers to maintain your power.

#fakenews

Been talked about since the story broke. I've mentioned several times here. I several stories have been written about the poor treatment of Ford by those who handled the letter.

You are racking up quite the score on lies.

Also, it was revealed the last few days that the letter was sent redacted to the Senate committee before the story broke. I'm still guessing its still a Feinstein team member but the potential list is bigger than originally thought.

[powerplay]

The democrat upholder and champion of womens rights, yea, the hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

To be fair, many on the left asked him to leave. And he did.

I'm wondering if the key women swing votes on the right will hold the same line with Kavanaugh? No photographs but it went from sexual harassment with him to allegations of sexual assault with Kavanaugh.

[Iceaxe]

#fakenews

Been talked about since the story broke. I've mentioned several times here. I several stories have been written about the poor treatment of Ford by those who handled the letter.

My bad.... I didn't realize that Ford signed up for this voluntarily....

...in that case....

Ford is a complete dumbass to walk into a "he said, she said" battle as her life and her families lives will never be the same. The minute she or anyone associated with her enters a room for the rest of their lives half the folks in the room will instantly despise her. She will be the butt of jokes and meme's the remainder of her life. She will gain nothing from this an lose everything.

Now I understand Kanvanaugh's reasoning for putting up with this shit show because if he pulls it off he instantly becomes one of the most power people in the country, probably in the top 10.

YMMV
:popcorn:

[powerplay]

Something that's kind of getting lost in all this is how Feinstein tossed Ford under the bus..


#fakenews

Been talked about since the story broke. I've mentioned several times here. I several stories have been written about the poor treatment of Ford by those who handled the letter.

You are racking up quite the score on lies.

Also, it was revealed the last few days that the letter was sent redacted to the Senate committee before the story broke. I'm still guessing its still a Feinstein team member but the potential list is bigger than originally thought.


My bad.... I didn't realize that Ford signed up for this voluntarily....

...in that case....

Ford is a complete dumbass to walk into a "he said, she said" battle as her life and her families lives will never be the same. The minute she or anyone associated with her enters a room for the rest of their lives half the folks in the room will instantly despise her. She will be the butt of jokes and meme's the remainder of her life. She will gain nothing from this an lose everything.

Now I understand Kanvanaugh's reasoning for putting up with this shit show because if he pulls it off he instantly becomes one of the most power people in the country, probably in the top 10.

YMMV
:popcorn:

Nice try at spin and ignoring context.

Are you allergic to the truth?

[Iceaxe]

Judge Kavanaugh’s accuser revealed her true identity!!!

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[Sombeech]

Looks like I guessed wrong from all of your acting like a victim of liberal change.

This would have been a great opportunity to blame it on one of the "other users logged into your account" instead of taking the blame yourself.

That's alright, everybody's got a learning curve.

Cheers

[Iceaxe]

Nice try at spin and ignoring context.

Are you allergic to the truth?

Either Feinstein tossed Ford under the bus or she jumped under it voluntarily, it was one or the other.

If it came from Feinstein's camp she is responsible, or at least that's how it works everywhere I've ever been employed and in every company I've ever owned. The top dog is ultimately responsible for everything that happens under them in the end. If you're going to make the big bucks you need to sack up and take responsibility...

...I know... it's not like that in your little everyone gets a trophy world, but in the real world that's how it works.

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[powerplay]

Read the bolds and my initial response old man. You'll figure it out at some point.

[powerplay]

This would have been a great opportunity to blame it on one of the "other users logged into your account" instead of taking the blame yourself.

That's alright, everybody's got a learning curve.

Cheers

Thank you for the entertainment. You have no clue how much this satisfies the purpose of the troll.

[Sombeech]

Thank you for the entertainment. You have no clue how much this satisfies the purpose of the troll.
We had some high hopes for this account, but the decline is starting to show. You're starting to repeat yourself. That's too bad, we were hoping you would have stuck around for a while.

You're welcome back any time. It's been fun seeing you come back after all these years.

[powerplay]

And what new wild guess do you offer up? I've heard two so far and some other random names never directly asked.

Hell, I'll even let you know if you just get one of our names right. The third one should be Powerball level winnings but that ain't gonna happen, and she hasn't edited anything in over a week I think.

I'll even given you a hint: one is a New Testament book.

My exit will be next week if paperwork goes through. So you've only got me for tomorrow and a couple work days next week. Will be biking this weekend in the Uintas with my daughter.

I doubt I will be missed and positive I will be mocked by the three of you.

[Sombeech]

And what new wild guess do you offer up? I've heard two so far and some other random names never directly asked.

Hell, I'll even let you know if you just get one of our names right. The third one should be Powerball level winnings but that ain't gonna happen, and she hasn't edited anything in over a week I think.

I'll even given you a hint: one is a New Testament book.

My exit will be next week if paperwork goes through. So you've only got me for tomorrow and a couple work days next week. Will be biking this weekend in the Uintas with my daughter.

I doubt I will be missed and positive I will be mocked with tired memes.

Ah, no worries, there will be plenty of time to laugh about it when you're gone. Nah, I'm not thumbing through the New Testament chasing down that bread crumb, and I'm not scratching my head wondering if you have a daughter or not. I already know who you are and it's not a big deal. Don't worry, it's not your IP address and it's not your registration email. It's all good, don't worry about it.

You know, even to this day if I ran into you, I'd still shake your hand and ask how you've been. But I think you would have a real problem with that. It's unfortunate. We let political BS get in the way of what could otherwise be a decent friendship. That's why politics suck, and even though I claim to be less interested, you've gotta admit that the better memes come from the Conservative side. I mean, hey if you make a jab at me, like you did in your opening post with this account, I'll come right back, all in good fun, right?

I think if you let some things go, it would benefit you. If you decide to join up again, or brand new with your real identity, you're welcome back and I won't give you crap.

Anyways, have a safe trip.

[powerplay]

Ah, no worries, there will be plenty of time to laugh about it when you're gone. Nah, I'm not thumbing through the New Testament chasing down that bread crumb, and I'm not scratching my head wondering if you have a daughter or not. I already know who you are and it's not a big deal. Don't worry, it's not your IP address and it's not your registration email. It's all good, don't worry about it.

You know, even to this day if I ran into you, I'd still shake your hand and ask how you've been. But I think you would have a real problem with that. It's unfortunate. We let political BS get in the way of what could otherwise be a decent friendship. That's why politics suck, and even though I claim to be less interested, you've gotta admit that the better memes come from the Conservative side. I mean, hey if you make a jab at me, like you did in your opening post with this account, I'll come right back, all in good fun, right?

I think if you let some things go, it would benefit you. If you decide to join up again, or brand new with your real identity, you're welcome back and I won't give you crap.

Anyways, have a safe trip.

Damn, you even have me wondering who I could be now with that response.

I wasn't sure you were a moderator but I guess I know now. Is it common to browse user's emails and IP when not moderating their posts? Seems invasive and aggressive for a site that claims not to ban people.

Never been too worried though, IP only gets you within 50 miles or so. And you clearly haven't figured that situation out yet.

You actually have one of our full names then; actually a last name and a common name. Still have one to guess. Odds are good, less than a dozen male titled books.

Your profile guess is not in orbit. Would have no clue who you are in person. And I am fully aware of how different a person is off the internet. The only two names I am certain of are Scott and Bryan and only because they logged in that way. Never met either. Will admit I assumed Scott had been pushed out from the way he was bullied this winter. Never seen a forum treat people like that.

Hell, I would assume whoever IceAxe is is likely a different person offline. Only know what he revealed last week and one photo I saw not long ago.

I'm guessing we've all had a drunk uncle in the family. Handle with kid gloves and they calm down.

The fun part isn't the distraction of guessing who I am it is that this all serves a purpose. I just didn't predict you would own up to using moderator access to scope out the competition.

[Sombeech]

LOL ok, have it your way. Yes I'm invasive, that's why I bought a drone.

Your "multiple" people use the powerplay login, and you're warning us about your departure, yet nobody will be left behind to post to the account. Are you all leaving town together? Weird wacky stuff. Sounds like a powerplay party where all of the users will be hanging out together without internet. Maybe you should recruit one more powerplay user that will stay behind and continue to login to the account, giving you updates of the latest memes via carrier pigeon.

Anyways, have a great trip, maybe leave some of your anger behind.

[powerplay]

Reality is funny that way. Sometimes the truth hides in plain sight while we think we have found it somewhere else.

Its funny that you are set on believing multiple users is some hard practice. Plan took less than fifteen minutes. Nothing other than that went into it. I always said we were lazy trolls.

And no party. Too much effort. Life provides proximity without trying. And also reasons for exits at same time.

Very simple actually. And it sounds like you have dug into a few clues. Should be obvious use is limited by other two.

And how many accounts do you invade for information? Just chatted with an avionics moderator and he says they never use those tools unless a member is spamming or they plan to ban. He thought doing so is sketchy as hell.

[Sombeech]

Okey dokey, just remember the offer still stands, come on back to ol' bogley town in your original user ID and we'll give you a big fat welcome.

Have a safe trip

[powerplay]

Okey dokey, just remember the offer still stands, come on back to ol' bogley town in your original user ID and we'll give you a big fat welcome.

Have a safe trip

Oh come on Sombeech. Its a simple question. How often do check up on users personal information when its not related to moderation?

[Sombeech]

For all of that studying you did, waiting in the bogley shadows before you were ready to join up with your team.... and you still didn't know I was a moderator?

You need to do some restructuring at your team headquarters and let some people go.

Make Powerplay Great Again.

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[powerplay]

Yep, I made a mistake. Never saw moderation so it never crossed my mind. After watching the hazing this winter I thought the moderators would be obvious. No ego attached to that error. Another point for you.

You've created a funny impression of the limited effort we put in. I'll give you a hint, you were an afterthought. A conversation one night drifted into the role certain "good mormons" have played in immoral behavior. That's when we chose to target you. Before then we were just going after IceAxe and OldNo7.

No plan for you other than going straight to basic insults.

[powerplay]

So how often do you look into private information for users who aren't being moderated?

You can see how a 5 min plan trapped something bigger than expected. Until now you were a placeholder.

[oldno7]

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[Sombeech]

So how often do you look into private information for users who aren't being moderated?

You can see how a 5 min plan trapped something bigger than expected. Until now you were a placeholder.
Before I reply, I need to know if I'm speaking with the true Spartacus

[oldno7]

while the pp group's victories have all been self proclaimed.

they can certainly take pride in their new nickname....

I am spartacus

no--I am spartacus

I am spartacus

you were spartacus yesterday, I am spartacus

no--I am spartacus, mom said...

[Iceaxe]

A conversation one night drifted into the role certain "good mormons" have played in immoral behavior. That's when we chose to target you. Before then we were just going after IceAxe and OldNo7.

WOW!!! Talk about living rent free in someone's head!

So Powerplay and his two imaginary friends actually held multiple meetings and group discussions to plan the best way to attack me? At these meeting did you serve milk and cookies? Did you hold the meeting in your mom's basement or did she drive you to the park?

I'm absolutely thrilled to be such a captivating, exciting and intellectually challenging individual that anyone would actually spend precious time and energy worrying about my personal views on life... you honor me greatly with your presence... thank you from the bottom of my heart for caring.


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[Sombeech]

This trolling thing isn't working out too well for powerplay, let's back off a bit, let him win a few until he leaves, and then resume normal operations.

[powerplay]

We've got the three of you jumping when we say jump. And the troll was never about personal views or traditional provocation. It was about something much simpler.

Getting the three of you to act in unison is one part. You all play a role together.
Every time one of us gets 2 or 3 of you in one thread it works.

And it just took one broadside for each of you. 1 thoughtless insult. 1 fact. 1 naming of a political hack. And then the three of you have done the rest for us. With the occasional insult to keep stirring the pot. But most of the time we just get to add a few facts and watch one of you react.

Though another error here. IceAxe has shown more restraint then we guessed between bouts of what I guess is supposed to be provocative, original posts. I mean, are we supposed to be angry about half naked women? The only part to be angry at is ruining a perfectly good shot with a photoshopped MAGA hat.

Its a win win if you jump or not. I mean how much time did Sombeech waste last night to ultimately expose his invasion of personal info? Most conservatives I know take that seriously. But feel free to openly damage your own brand.

[powerplay]

And thanks for the mom and basement jokes. Icing on the cake.

[Sombeech]

We've got the three of you jumping when we say jump.

And yet we manage to do it without double and triple posts in a row.

Wait, is it 1 post per powerplay teammate? Is that why you're so inconsistent?

Poor performance from team troll. Go back to the 1 person model, it'll work out better for you.

[powerplay]

Hehe, mocking multiple posts. OldNo7? Point for us. Good laugh.

We've got you hooked Sombeech.

#jump
#beetlejuice

[uintafly]

Yep, I made a mistake. Never saw moderation so it never crossed my mind. After watching the hazing this winter I thought the moderators would be obvious. No ego attached to that error. Another point for you.

You've created a funny impression of the limited effort we put in. I'll give you a hint, you were an afterthought. A conversation one night drifted into the role certain "good mormons" have played in immoral behavior. That's when we chose to target you. Before then we were just going after IceAxe and OldNo7.

No plan for you other than going straight to basic insults.

While I agree with you politically and you seem like an informed guy, this is really f#$king weird. I've never really understood the point of trolling, but the whole preplanning and team effort aspect puts this into creepy territory.

[DirkHammergate]

Wow, I get a deep tissue infection in my foot by a wasp bite while gardening on a Sunday and laid up for 5 days.

What did i miss?

[Scott Card]

Wow, I get a deep tissue infection in my foot by a wasp bite while gardening on a Sunday and laid up for 5 days.

What did i miss? Absolutely nothing. Seriously.....Same ole blather, mostly personal attacks, little of any substance, no minds changed, nothing productive done or said. Still wondering if some people actually work and contribute to society. So yeah, nothing. :ne_nau:

(Wasp bite/infection sounds awful. Hope you are doing better.)

[Sombeech]

Memes and more memes. The same number of opinions have been changed as those voting No on SCOTUS pick after they reviewed the requested documents.

[powerplay]

While I agree with you politically and you seem like an informed guy, this is really f#$king weird. I've never really understood the point of trolling, but the whole preplanning and team effort aspect puts this into creepy territory.

Agreed. Matched effort to those being trolled. Creepy trio calls for creepy plan.

As my boss says, sometimes you go for hearts and minds and sometimes you drop bombs.

But when it sets in I think most people will admit making jokes about sexual assault and invading personal privacy are creepier.

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[DirkHammergate]

Absolutely nothing. Seriously.....Same ole blather, mostly personal attacks, little of any substance, no minds changed, nothing productive done or said. Still wondering if some people actually work and contribute to society. So yeah, nothing. :ne_nau:

(Wasp bite/infection sounds awful. Hope you are doing better.)

I figured. Bite was awful, couldn’t walk Tuesday and Wednesday but my boys were great. I’m pretty much in the middle of my garden harvest and they’re getting it all for me so I can start canning later today and tomorrow. Got a 3 week window basically for 6 months of work.

[rockgremlin]

What's in your garden, Dirk? If it's anything like mine, there's a bunch of tomatoes and the zucchini has slowed production waaaaay down. The Butternut Squash yielded only two fruits, sadly.

[Iceaxe]

We've got the three of you jumping when we say jump.

I case you missed it let me point out the obvious once again.... by your own admission you and your friends sit around worrying about me and contemplating what I say. You and your friends spent a month plotting your attack (troll?). You and your friends actually went through the time and trouble of setting up fake accounts to launch your attacks. You and your friends actually hold conversations to discuss strategy for these attacks. You and your friends actually spend time coordinating these attacks through a shared account.

I hope this doesn't hurt your feelings too bad.... but outside of this forum I've never given you a second thought.

Here's another picture of me so you and your friends don't all have to carry around the same one in your wallet... kisses...

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[DirkHammergate]

What's in your garden, Dirk? If it's anything like mine, there's a bunch of tomatoes and the zucchini has slowed production waaaaay down. The Butternut Squash yielded only two fruits, sadly.

Tons of tomatoes and Armenian cucumbers, canning now. It’s the best thing ever. I’m thinking about selling it

[powerplay]

You and your friends spent a month plotting your attack (troll?).


Your allergy to the truth is strong. Might want a prescription of flonase..

Don't worry, "plan" took about 15 minutes. Nothing more than that. Sombeech was an afterthought on a completely different conversation.

No coordination beyond that. We find out what someone wrote if we log-in.

And I may have been a few years shy on my age guess or you haven't aged well. But I'm glad you are comfortable sharing your Grindr profile pic.

But thanks for the entertainment.

[Iceaxe]

Your allergy to the truth is strong. Might want a prescription of flonase..

Don't worry, "plan" took about 15 minutes. Nothing more than that. Sombeech was an afterthought on a completely different conversation.

No coordination beyond that. We find out what someone wrote if we log-in.

And I may have been a few years shy on my age guess or you haven't aged well. But I'm glad you are comfortable sharing your Grindr profile pic.

But thanks for the entertainment.

Why do you have to guess at my age? I've never cared how old you are, never given it a second thought. And just so you have no need to guess I'm a few months shy of 60 years old.

If you spent even 15 minutes worrying about me outside this forum you have put 1000 times more effort into it then I spent on you. That I'm actually a topic of conversation among you and your friends brings a huge smile to my face. That you and your crew actually spend time and energy thinking about me lets me know that I'm at least somebody in your world.... Doesn't matter if you're cheering or booing.... so long as I'm in the conversation I have already won because I'm a somebody in your world.

:popcorn:

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