E bikes?

[moab mark]

Can you ride e bikes on the Bonneville Shoreline Trail? I want to buy my wife one?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180219/e3d6bc4ce75bf0f9b86e4864ba5bff7e.jpg

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[moab mark]

Looks like u can?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180219/0b38e93aa3300d695e5ac3d2940a826f.jpg

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[moab mark]

Looks like u can?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180219/0b38e93aa3300d695e5ac3d2940a826f.jpg

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[moab mark]

Can't delete last post sorryhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180219/3bf196de53bd00651597cf3525e27ca9.jpg

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[Iceaxe]

Ebikes are currently a very touchy subject. Many land managers are currently wrestling with how they should be classified and there is currently no consensus. Everyone has a different opinion and where they are allowed changes back and forth at a pretty high rate. Just because they are legal or illegal someplace today doesn't mean the same will hold true tomorrow.

If you want my personal opinion I think they will eventually be classified as a motor vehicle when the dust eventually settles if for no other reason than it's the easiest place to draw the line. Ebike manufacturers are not doing themselves any favor in classifying as they continue to blur the line between bicycle and motorcycle.

Anyhoo.... that's my 2 cents.

[accadacca]

Seriously....

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[twotimer]

Seriously....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180511/d445bb9332d635582684c79431d3662f.jpgI can certainly agree that this is absolutely pathetic.

In regards to E-bikes on mountain bike trails, I have no problem with it at all. In fact, if I ever have the desire (or old age forces me) to buy one, I'll go right ahead and ride any trail I wish regardless of what some stinking sign says.

Anybody wanna give me grief because I'm riding trails in Moab on an E-bike? Well kiss my ass and call the cops.

[Iceaxe]

Ebikes are a lot like dating a porn star and skipping the sex.

ROFLMAO

[uintafly]

I can certainly agree that this is absolutely pathetic.

In regards to E-bikes on mountain bike trails, I have no problem with it at all. In fact, if I ever have the desire (or old age forces me) to buy one, I'll go right ahead and ride any trail I wish regardless of what some stinking sign says.

Anybody wanna give me grief because I'm riding trails in Moab on an E-bike? Well kiss my ass and call the cops.

You should take that attitude up Millcreek on an odd day. There's an old lady waiting to ram her trekking pole where the sun don't shine. :roflol:

[tallsteve]

This ad popped up on a website I was looking at this morning. What a sweet, high performance mtn. ebike!:roflol:

89672

[Iceaxe]

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Climb-Utah.com

[moab mark]

Here some info for you boys to chew on. Had an attorney i run around with have one of his clerks do a little research. He says the Forest Service has banned class 2 bikes. He also says as usual Gov agencies have stepped beyond what Congress has passed to create their own policies. His opinion is at some point somone will legally challenge....... he wants me to get the forest service to right me a ticket and he'd like to go to court and see how the forest service would defend their position. He has been unable to find anything as far as a written document on why the BLM has banned e bikes. He called them today but they have not returned his call.
We took whole trailer of non motorized vehicles (according to congress) and motorized vehicles to George a couple of weeks ago and had a riot. We rode about every mtn bike trail there as well as rode the dunes at Sandhollow. Great 4 day trip.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190104/38d7d212a36a45abfc5daa067ac50f9e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190104/b1dd9c1410df0722382855e3b30839e9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190104/7edc49119938a8ff3789cd2ad5f5a233.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190104/b1307eb4ea4de06789fe377bd25564aa.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190104/66ea9c9a68ce5a1a917eac5f671c6f8f.jpg

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[Sombeech]

I'm looking to take my ebike down south and hit Gooseberry Mesa, then still have time and energy to hit another full length trail the same day.

The more complaints I hear about ebikes, the more I laugh. With Specialized, Trek, Cannondale and other major mountain bike brands jumping into the ebike game, the "purists" are so conflicted. Then the ranger at Corner Canyon patrols on an ebike.

To be accused of cheating in an imaginary contest, it only motivates me to record other rides on Strava.

[moab mark]

According to Contender Bicycle the forest service bought three of them to patrol trails in this area. Park City ski resort who had them band bought 40 for the rental Fleet for this coming year. Could be b******* could be true.

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[moab mark]

When you're in Saint George and you have an e-bike and a KTM 300 to ride and you spend more time riding the e-bike that should tell you something. I own and have a owned a lot of toys in my life and it is right up there at the top of the list. Just damn fun.

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[Sombeech]

Yeah when you see photos from guys up on Ben Lomond with dirt bikes and people think that would be fun, and then they see an ebike up there and the very same people start bitching, like it's cheating, but the motorcycle was ok, it's nice to know who I can ignore in the future.

I'm waiting for the day where I get scolded on Mueller Park trail for riding an ebike, from some idiot that doesn't realize it's a moto friendly trail. I'll have it all on camera for the good folks of bogley.

[uintafly]

My brother is a big time Strava nerd and has a couple KOM's, so last year I took my dirt bike all over the trails by the Bountiful B while running Strava. Grabbed me a fistful of KOM's and got a message from some dipshit calling me "unethical, and everything wrong with America". He did not appreciate my joke. Little did he know that his message made me 10 times happier than just sending the screenshot to my bro.

That being said, ebikes are not mountain bikes and shouldn't just be automatically allowed on every trail that mtn bikes are allowed. They are a completely separate user group and should be allowed or not allowed on a case by case basis.

This would be pretty fun railing in corner canyon though: https://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/

[Sombeech]

My brother is a big time Strava nerd and has a couple KOM's, so last year I took my dirt bike all over the trails by the Bountiful B while running Strava. Grabbed me a fistful of KOM's and got a message from some dipshit calling me "unethical, and everything wrong with America". He did not appreciate my joke. Little did he know that his message made me 10 times happier than just sending the screenshot to my bro.

That being said, ebikes are not mountain bikes and shouldn't just be automatically allowed on every trail that mtn bikes are allowed. They are a completely separate user group and should be allowed or not allowed on a case by case basis.

This would be pretty fun railing in corner canyon though: https://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/

Just FYI, Ebikes are fully allowed in Corner Canyon. The ranger guy rides around on one, handing out cards to everybody informing them that ebikes are completely fine there.

[kiwi_outdoors]

still loving my ebike for commuting, more fun than the 650 moto ever was

[accadacca]

I noticed “E-Bike” under sport in Strava, along with a bunch of other things. So you can select it and put your ride under that category. Not sure how long it’s been in there. I guess it’s on the honor system.

[Iceaxe]

I noticed “E-Bike” under sport in Strava, along with a bunch of other things. So you can select it and put your ride under that category. Not sure how long it’s been in there. I guess it’s on the honor system.

The E bike setting has been there for at least a year. Unfortunately E bikes attract a large contingent of noobs to Strava and they just record under biking. Most probably believe the calories listed as burned is for their E bike.

I ride a MTB for the exercise, when I ride one of the Corner Canyon trails that cuts through the golf course I always laugh to myself at all the guys riding around in golf carts, drinking beer, and telling their buddies what great exercise golf is. I think of an E bike the same as I think of those golfers.

YMMV

[double moo]

I've been watching a lot of EMBN youtube vids of late. A lot of world class MTB folks are getting in on the trend. They are doing some pretty incredible rides... skill level 11 stuff. Another good place to look into it is the online magazine ebike-mtb,com. This is the ebike version of Enduro - sister publication. Mock them all you want some retired pros are making them look pretty incredible!

[Sombeech]

I noticed “E-Bike” under sport in Strava, along with a bunch of other things. So you can select it and put your ride under that category. Not sure how long it’s been in there. I guess it’s on the honor system.
Since I started using Strava again in the past couple of months, each of my rides have been in the ebike category. When I started up strava, it automatically came up. Damn Feds must have been watching me and selected it for me.

[Sombeech]

Hey when can Ebike riders start comparing themselves to the Civil Rights movement for the harassment? :lol8:

[Iceaxe]

Since I started using Strava again in the past couple of months, each of my rides have been in the ebike category. When I started up strava, it automatically came up.

Strava defaults to the last activity you did. I both run and MTB so I flip between those two settings.

FWIW - AFTER you complete and activity if you recorded it under the wrong setting you can simply edit your Strava and it recalculates all your times. Occasionally I forget to switch back to MTB after running and all the runners scream bloody murder when I destroy all their KOM's on my MTB,

[Sombeech]

That's the thing though, I don't think I did anything before. If I did, it was years ago and I had no ebike.

[Iceaxe]

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[Sombeech]

Hey there's gotta be some way for ebike haters to feel good about themselves when they see the smiles on the faces of ebike riders, wayyyyy up in front

[moab mark]

https://www.singletracks.com/blog/trail-advocacy/idaho-blm-office-will-test-new-travel-management-plan-e-bike-demo/

First crack in the armor.

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[Iceaxe]

What's the crack in the armor? This is pretty much how all trails are currently managed, which is on a case by case bases just like the Idaho BLM is proposing.

As someone who has been heavily involved in both off road motorcycles and mountain bikes I have a dog in both fights.

But my advice to MTB riders is if you except ebikes as equals it will eventually bite you in the ass and result in losing trails over the long haul. I went through this with motorcycles in the 70's and 80's and the loss of trails and I can tell you exactly how it will eventually end if ebikes and MTB's are grouped together.

YMMV

[moab mark]

The crack in the armor is this will be the first BLM District who has possibly made a change. The article said the decision would be made in January or February. I emailed the district manager up there I'll see what what they decided.

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[moab mark]

What I find interesting about this possible change in the Sun Valley area. I probably spend over 20 plus day singletrack riding dirt bikes in that area in the summer. Idaho has more single track dirt bike trails than any state in the Union. It's not even close, there trail system up there is absolutely unbelievable. You could ride your e-bike up there on the single track motorcycle trails for the rest of your life and not even touch what's available. So I find it interesting this is the one area that is starting to look at allowing E bikes on their mountain bike trails. I eventually see the F.S. and BLM designating certain areas that are non motorized e-bike friendly. I don't ever see it for example happening on the Wasatch Front (Crest etc) but I'll bet you see it happening like in the Logan District area Etc. Same with Moab, they'll pick areas like klondike bluffs but not the amaza back area where it is slower flow and more techical.
https://sunvalleymag.com/articles/throttling-into-the-backcountry/


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Zoom in and look at that map it's insane. Idaho is the absolute last place I would think would be looking at allowing e-bikes. Unless you look at it that they're so motorcycle friendly they are already in that mindset.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190203/d447b6352659adbe1796bd8161602303.jpg
That map is just west of Sun Valley. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190203/8fcd4ed61b2a8bb781292ec38ed20b2e.jpg

I put 5,000 miles on a Ktm 300 since 15 and most of that has been in Idaho and the desert of Utah.

[uintafly]

What's the crack in the armor? This is pretty much how all trails are currently managed, which is on a case by case bases just like the Idaho BLM is proposing.

As someone who has been heavily involved in both off road motorcycles and mountain bikes I have a dog in both fights.

But my advice to MTB riders is if you except ebikes as equals it will eventually bite you in the ass and result in losing trails over the long haul. I went through this with motorcycles in the 70's and 80's and the loss of trails and I can tell you exactly how it will eventually end if ebikes and MTB's are grouped together.

YMMV

This^^

I have no problems with ebikes, but they should be looked at as a separate user group from mountain bikes. A ton of hikers and horse people already hate mountain bikers and fight to get us booted from trails. Adding a motor and making bikes even faster is gonna piss them off even more, and could lead to more lost trails to bikes.

[Sombeech]

I thought the first crack in the armor was when the major bike manufacturers started getting on board and making ebikes. They bring ebikes to demo at all of the major bike race events.

None of the reasons to ban ebikes make any sense, by the way. Too fast? Where, on the climb? So now we will ban any cross country biker weighing 120 lbs and is in great shape, because they can climb fast? How fast, exactly? Or are we banning a class of bike based purely on hypotheticals and not actual experience?

We can't possibly mean they are going too fast on the downhill. Anybody who suggests this, does not have any experience on an ebike. They all have governors that stop. I've gone much faster downhill on my regular bike.

[Iceaxe]

None of the reasons to ban ebikes make any sense, by the way.

When did politics ever have to make sense?!? And make no mistake, ebikes are a hot political issue. My major concern is that ebikes will be used by the hardcore forest fairies and rock lickers as a weapon to ban all mechanized vehicles.

The problem as I see it is there are two very clear lines that can be drawn at the moment. No mechanized vehicles and no motorized vehicles. Ebikes are trying to elbow their way into the mechanized vehicle group to gain more access, this will result in some trail closes to MTB's over the long haul, exactly how much will be closed is debatable, but if MTB's push ebikes into the motorized vehicle category they can't be used as a weapon to close trails, which to me makes the choice of where I drawn the line simple.

YMMV

[moab mark]

He said when they get closer to a decision he will send me another email.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190204/d021e6d247bd485ea3f0608d730ccb9c.jpg

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[moab mark]

I thought the first crack in the armor was when the major bike manufacturers started getting on board and making ebikes. They bring ebikes to demo at all of the major bike race events.

None of the reasons to ban ebikes make any sense, by the way. Too fast? Where, on the climb? So now we will ban any cross country biker weighing 120 lbs and is in great shape, because they can climb fast? How fast, exactly? Or are we banning a class of bike based purely on hypotheticals and not actual experience?

We can't possibly mean they are going too fast on the downhill. Anybody who suggests this, does not have any experience on an ebike. They all have governors that stop. I've gone much faster downhill on my regular bike.Some beach is completely correct as far as going downhill. The assist kicks out at 18 miles an hour and due to the weight of the bike and the extra pedal force of having to turn the drivetrain without any assist you can't go nearly as quick as you can go on a normal mountain bike.

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[Iceaxe]

So long as ebikes remain classed as motorized vehicles by the BLM I'm good, at least from a MTB prospective.

[moab mark]

So long as ebikes remain classed as motorized vehicles by the BLM I'm good, at least from a MTB prospective.Until they just change the designation.[emoji41]

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[Iceaxe]

Until they just change the designation.[emoji41]

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I believe there are places ebikes belong and places they don't.

[Sombeech]

The main opposition towards ebikes, after each point is debunked such as "peeling out on the trail" or trail damage, or speed, or weight, or noise, or overall danger... all that is left is the fear that trails will be taken away because people will see an ebike and then suddenly decide all wheeled modes of travel should be banned.

Bikes like mine have the battery concealed in the bottom tube. I think we will see more and more ebikes looking just like a regular mountain bike. So then once the "non bikers" see them, they won't know the difference. It's just us bikers that know the little signs and pieces to look for in a bike to classify it as an ebike.

So then if the biking enemies can't tell if it's an ebike at a first glance, why would we blame ebikes for taking away access?

I guess they'll start filing reports on the rangers now for riding ebikes.

It just comes down to being angry that somebody else is riding the trail and not working as hard. Who cares.

[moab mark]

That is the one that I have is pretty darn hard to tell that's even an e-bike.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190204/ea47733829bf4a82668dbec95ccc9fee.jpg

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[Sombeech]

And more of the point of ebikes eventually restricting access for all, was it reported for any of these reasons?
-Biker was riding too fast
-bike peeled out and shot pebbles at me from the rear tire
-loud engine noise
-bike was too heavy, caused ruts in the trail (this would ban any fat rider on any bike on any trail, or any bike packer with 40lbs of gear)
-biker had a MAGA sticker on the bumper

Or was it likely because they expected to be in complete solitude only a mile off the road and they saw somebody on a bike

[Sombeech]

That is the one that I have is pretty darn hard to tell that's even an e-bike.



Ditto, you've got to notice some slight details to know it's an ebike. These details will only be noticed by bikers, not the groups that want to ban bikes.

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[double moo]

Unfortunately half the battle will be against the bikers - many of them want ebikes banned...

[moab mark]

https://www.singletracks.com/blog/trail-advocacy/imba-updates-electric-mountain-bike-position/

2015 IMBA was against e bikes on non motorized.

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[Iceaxe]

IMBA will support what the money tells them to support.

[Iceaxe]

The line continues to blur.... this is my problem with ebikes not being classified as motorized vehicles...

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[double moo]

The state has different classifications of ebikes. this one is in a differernt class than what Beech rides.

[Iceaxe]

The state has different classifications of ebikes. this one is in a differernt class than what Beech rides.

I understand that, the problem is your average citizen doesn't understand the difference and the more the lines blur the bigger the issue IMHO.

Heck, 99% of MTB riders can't simply look at an ebike and know it's classification, which is why I think the most defensible position is "motorized vehicles". As an engineer I also know this line will get more cloudy as engineers ring more performance out of smaller electric motors and batteries.

I'm not against ebikes, I'm against classifying them the same as non motorized vehicles. I think ideally ebikes should have their own classification, it would making signing trails and management simple. Similar to the way hikers, bikers, horses and motorcycles are currently managed. And Corner Canyon is probably a great example as all the above are allowed in the canyon, but all the above are also restricted from certain trails.

[moab mark]

No that bike is actually in the same class as the one that beach and I ride. That's considered a Class 1 it has 750 watts of battery and can only go 20 miles an hour. It comes in different versions in different countries but that article says in the US it's going to come in as a Class 1. I really want the seat on my bike now.[emoji3]

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[Sombeech]

The line continues to blur.... this is my problem with ebikes not being classified as motorized vehicles...

https://electrek.co/2018/12/19/suru-electric-moped/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190227/f2e4b3a7c00f1825bb64b7102b465d68.jpg

The problem with these bikes is they look gay. That's reason enough to ban them.

[blueeyes]

The problem with these bikes is they look gay. That's reason enough to ban them.E bikes are gay.

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[Sombeech]

E bikes are gay.

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yer gay

[blueeyes]

yer gay[emoji23][emoji39]

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[Sombeech]

I think the lines between ebikes and mountain bikes will become more blurred as time goes on, they will be less noticeable, harder to tell they have any pedal assistance as the batteries will become more concealed.

The thing with those bikes posted above, it looks like they just want to go fast and ride dirt bike trails. They are obviously not Class 1 like the rangers ride. I would agree they aren't for the non motorized trails, but reasons like "electric" are not good enough.

The reason should be speed, or causing any "peel out" damage, which class 1 bikes are not a culprit.

I rode up Wheeler Canyon at an average of 6MPH, with regular breaks, and came down at an average of 12 - 15 MPH, which is regular on my usual bike on a double track trail.

The uphill climb was the only noticeable difference, and even when I got up to 8MPH, it was on a straightaway and nobody was in danger. There is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. I know 140lb guys that cruise up trails that fast, so if speed is an issue, it had better be across the board.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbTcdtnB-VA

And because of my ebike, I had energy to go up and down Icebox too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrzC4-L69qU

[Sombeech]

I'm going to play the victim injured disabled card here, as I'm waiting on two new knees but I'm too young for replacements. So I get injections a couple of times a year that help a bit.

If it weren't for my ebike, I would loathe riding. I used to be the last one up the hill, and that's even when I wasn't setting up camera gear.

Now biking is fun again.

Here's the My Little Pony bandaid I got this last Tuesday for my right knee injection.

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[Iceaxe]

While you're out riding your ebike where do you store your penis?

Asking for a friend....

[Sombeech]

While you're out riding your ebike where do you store your penis?

Asking for a friend....

That's why the battery compartment is so huge

[blueeyes]

I honestly have nothing against Ebikes. Just on board with Ice in that they need their own designation and people who ride them need to respect trail designations.

I have seen Ebikes where they shouldn't be and that is potentially what will shut down trail use for mountain bikes.

And anyone I know who rides one is going to have to put up with me teasing them about it. I struggle up hill always have always will, currently still prefer to do it on my own power.



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[Sombeech]

I'm the Rosa Parks of the ebike movement

[Iceaxe]

I'm the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of the ebike movement

Fixed that for ya... you're welcome.

[emoji106]

[twotimer]

Not trying to be fresh or anything...but you've got a great complexion there, 'beech.

[Sombeech]

Not trying to be fresh or anything...but you've got a great complexion there, 'beech.The lights in the Dr's office are flattering

[Sombeech]

Alright, got my second knee injection, I'm ready to ride again


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[Iceaxe]

Hahaha....

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[double moo]

New YT Decoy... quite possibly the best looking eBike out there...

92288

[twotimer]

Pssssst...it's still an abomination. That thing weights 50 lbs.

Hopefully when I get old and may have a need for one of these things they'll be way more refined. I just can't see pushing that thing around, e-drive or not.

[Sombeech]

Great looking bike. Public opinion is swaying over to the ebike side at an exponential rate now, once they realized the key points for opposition were false, just like the Russian conspiracy.

Yeah it's heavy but I think the extra weight is a huge benefit on the downhill.

[Tharguien1993]

By the way, I found a decent article on Wikipedia with e-bikes regulations in different countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bicycle_laws
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Lol, during my trip to Ukraine's capital I even saw a mayor riding an e-bike to work.

[accadacca]

I saw a guy coming down the trail tonight wearing sandals and I was like wtf. Then I saw he was on an e-bike. Lol. [emoji23]

[twotimer]

I reckon the next big thing is you won't even have to pedal. Ride in flip flops while pounding a Red Bull...or perhaps a Mt. Dew?

[double moo]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/uci-threatens-disciplinary-measures-on-riders-who-compete-in-fim-e-mtb-series.html

FIM needs to stay out of this... just proving that ebikes could be considered morotcycles...

[accadacca]

I think it’s funny that the UCI calls it e-mountain bike. Lol. I haven’t heard that before. It’s just e-bike.

[Iceaxe]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/uci-threatens-disciplinary-measures-on-riders-who-compete-in-fim-e-mtb-series.html

FIM needs to stay out of this... just proving that ebikes could be considered morotcycles...

Your personal prejudice is getting in the way of your thinking...

Why should the FIM stay out of this? To the UCI and FIM it's not really about ebikes, it's all about the money, and since it appears ebikes are the hot new thing, whoever controls ebike racing stands to make a large pile of money.

I see no reason the UCI has any stronger claim to controling the sport than the FIM does. Ebikes are a motorized vehicle, which by definition makes them a motorcycle. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

And for the record... I've seen this exact same battle played out dozens of time before in NASCAR, USAC and the AMA. The racers will go where the money is, which is why UCI is threatening to yank the licence of anyone competing in an FIM event. The FIM will pay what it costs to attract the best racers. The UCI has already lost this battle as they don't have the war chest to compete.... again it's the simple task of follow the money.

[Iceaxe]

Laughing my as off....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190416/201b4f3456e68647521446756c1e90f6.jpg

[uintafly]

Great looking bike. Public opinion is swaying over to the ebike side at an exponential rate now, once they realized the key points for opposition were false, just like the Russian conspiracy.

Yeah it's heavy but I think the extra weight is a huge benefit on the downhill.

I think you're right about perception. They are probably here to stay, but probably won't get crazy popular until prices come down a bit. You can still get a nice mtn bike for under $2k, but I don't think you can get a good ebike for that. Though I really haven't shopped em so I could be wrong.

I'd have to completely disagree though on the extra weight being good on the down, but it may be riding style. I like to jump and pop my bike around as opposed to just plowing through things, so I like a little lighter ride. A few years ago I rented a full DH rig at Deer Valley and at the end of the day still preferred my normal bike, even on the more rowdy terrain.

[BasinCruiser]

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[Iceaxe]

Sensitive topic warning!!!!!

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[Sombeech]

Sensitive topic warning!!!!!

For who? You're the only one bitching about them :lol8:

[BasinCruiser]

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[Sombeech]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2J5TJxOdwU&feature=youtu.be

[double moo]

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Developing new skills... like braking into the corners while riding uphill!


Lovin' it so far...

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190712/edc8f6398d8d51f72a8d987b428eb036.jpg

[Sombeech]

But... I make it home sooner

[Iceaxe]

Ebikes are not allowed on US Forest Service trails in the Salt Lake Ranger District.

I expect you will see more places ban ebikes as time goes on and the line between ebike and motorcycles becomes more blurry. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190823/dbcb54060ce8a822dd17fe396b35880d.jpg

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[Sombeech]

How will they ticket me if they can't keep up?

on another note, just wait until money starts talking from the big bike retailers that are getting heavy into the ebike game.

[Iceaxe]

on another note, just wait until money starts talking from the big bike retailers that are getting heavy into the ebike game.

I've seen this movie before.... I went through this in the 70's when it was motorcycle's battling to keep trail access on USFS land. I already know how this will end.... which is why I tell MTB rides to put as much distance between themselves and ebikes as possible, or the ebikes will cost them trails.

I have nothing against ebikes, I just don't want them classified as a bicycle.



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[Sombeech]

I have nothing against ebikes, I just don't want them classified as a bicycle.



They don't need to be classified as a bicycle, just non motorized. Hikers, bikers, ebikers, horseback riders, and runners can all enjoy the same trail, no matter what we call them.

[Iceaxe]

They don't need to be classified as a bicycle, just non motorized.

Let me rephrase that.... I have nothing against ebikes. I just don't want them classified as non-motorized, for the simple reason they have a motor.

If ebikes are grouped with MTB's it will be the MTB riders that eventually end up holding the shitty end of the stick. As I said... I've seen this dog and pony show before and I know how it ends...

....But other then that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?



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[blueeyes]

Iceaxe is right.

I don't have anything against ebikes either. But a motor is a motor. In the end mountain bikes will get pushed out of using trails because of attitudes like Sombeech. Society's like Wilderness Society and Sierra Club are looking for any and all fuel to keep bikes out of wilderness "and" remove bike access from other trails.

So go ahead and ride your ebike where ever you like. You are right they probably can't catch you. But you don't help those advocating for access.

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[Iceaxe]

Summit County...

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[Sombeech]

:roflol:

$1000 fine and 6 months in jail???

Somebody sure is butthurt over ebikes

This looks like somebody lost a big argument online and is looking to win a different route. I'd love to see this story in the news, ebike rider in jail for 6 months. Hilarious.

[double moo]

Summit County...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/182339b59df17cc73eecad5bd09bdc22.jpg

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Deer Valley purchased a fleet of them for rentals. Looks like the county ought to be able to make a lot of money off the tourists!

[double moo]

Summit County...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190826/182339b59df17cc73eecad5bd09bdc22.jpg

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Deer Valley purchased a fleet of them for rentals. Looks like the county ought to be able to make a lot of money off the tourists!

[tallsteve]

Deer Valley purchased a fleet of them for rentals. Looks like the county ought to be able to make a lot of money off the tourists!

Haha, except I don't think the Deer Valley trails are part of Basin Rec's trails. I'm guessing there's some different regulations that come into play.

[Sombeech]

I'm still laughing at that jail time punishment.

Somebody lost a terrible internet argument and was publicly humiliated with facts.

[Scott Card]

$1000 fine and 6 months in jail???


All that means is that they are charging the crime as a class B misdemeanor like trespassing.

[double moo]

Fun facts... and made up shit.

Basin Recreation promoted and based this ordinance on a 2017 staff report, that was based on a 2014 study (9/10/14), that recommended limitations of EABs (electric assisted bicycles). In the same report they recommended a speed limit on all trails to be enforced at a max of 14.5 mph. Wow... that would suck! Maybe we should continue to base our ordinances on outdated recommendations - how about returning to the 55 mph freeway speeds even though in the long run it proved to not be any safer and modern cars don't drink the fuel like they used to? FACT

There are Local Bike shops in the PC area that are making a case against this outdated ordinance - a lot of which must be driven by the desire to sell bikes. Europe now sees over a third of their bike sales in e-bikes - hard to think local shops wouldn't try to cash in on that trend. I'd hate to see sales dictate this one, but at least there is a group working on rewriting the rules. FACT

Ebikes may actually do less damage than acoustics to the trails. ebikes are heavier but most run wider tires at lower pressures, hence the contact patch is larger allowing for more control, less skidding, and less pounds per inch trail pressure. Using that rational we could assume that gravel bikes are trashing the trails - BAN GRAVEL BIKES NOW! And the heaviness of the bikes shouldn't be used as a factor without looking at rider weight also. If so we should weigh all riders with their bikes and issue them color coded jerseys depending on where in the spectrum they fall. Only red jerseys get to ride my favorite trails, the brown or polka dot jerseys have to stick to the double tracks, etc... this should be fun. Better yet we could force the tire industry to color code tires so we can easily verify the width or tire and assume the amount of trail damage potentially incurring. Of course,,, we'd have to factor in the brakes to ensure that for the tire width and weight they are adequate to reasonably slow and stop the bike without damaging the trail. (4-pots on 2.8s and I'm feeling pretty good on this one). The bike shops would have to weigh you and issue your rider credentials when they sell you the bike (jersey color, tires to compensate for weight, etc...). ASSUMPTION w/ BULLSHIT

A recent study shows that ebike riders get more exercise. So the headline is a little misleading on this one - true they get more exercise, but why? This study showed that the ebike crowd was less fit than acoustic bikers (not a big surprise), but they rode longer, more often, and tended to commute more. Net result was a lower exertion of exercise - but more of it. Good for their health - but not really a great comparison. My own ebike experience is that I do ride longer - not just further, but actually more hours. FACT

Upper body workout is greater on an ebike. OK I'm making up shit based solely on personal experience - here goes... Leg workout is based on cadence and power output - both higher on the acoustic bike - and factor in the length of ride (which can tilt towards ebikes) and you should assume that the acoustic is still the better leg workout. But the upper body workout seems to come down to distance (my experience leads me to this hypothesis). You get the upper body workout by cornering, banking, hitting obstacles, recovering from that last stupid assed move where you nearly died in the rock garden, etc... Using this as a weak platform you can extrapolate that the further you ride (off road type riding), the more obstacles you hit, thus the more workout your upper body gets. (I ride typically 12-14 mikes on the acoustic but regularly push 20-25 miles on the ebike). Also look at how much more upper body workout you get descending versus climbing - now factor in that you can ride uphill in the 10-12 mph range for long distances and you start to get the picture that you are working the upper body nearly as much on the climb as the descent. If you don't believe me, please rent yourself an ebike and come hammer out some miles on the trails for an afternoon with me. After a good ride my arms, pecs, lats, and core can be sore for a day or two - much like a low resistance upper body gym session... that went on for 2 plus hours. FACT-PERSONAL

And lastly... for your viewing pleasure - Seriously tough ebike stage race featuring pro and Olympic athletes. FACT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMxLI6DbjL8&t=11s

(I still get as many miles on the acoustic as on the Powah. It's a different experience. I enjoy both.)

And NO... I was not a pro athlete during the latter half of the 70s. But I can lay claim to winning the first sanctioned MTB race in the state of Utah.

[Iceaxe]

All that means is that they are charging the crime as a class B misdemeanor like trespassing.

Hahaha.... I'm still laughing that Sombeech failed Law 101...

:lol8:

[accadacca]

Mountain Trails Foundation:


TRAIL USE ALERT/eMTB DISCUSSION THURSDAY, 8/29

Do you have an opinion on whether or not eMTB's should be allowed on Park City single track??? If so, make YOUR voice heard and participate in the City Council meeting tomorrow, Thursday, 8/29 at 6:30pm.

FYI, the City is considering an eMTB pilot program in Round Valley. See more details and LINK below...

Council will be discussing e-bikes again this Thursday August 29th.

Meeting starts at 6pm and this item will take place between 6:30 and 7pm depending on timing of items before.

The report recommends ordinance amendments to expire on July 1, 2020 (part of pilot program)
-Class I E-mtbs allowed for users 65 and older anywhere on system
-Class I E-mtbs allowed for all users within Round Valley

Below is a link to the report

https://legistarweb-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/attachment/pdf/418990/SR_8_29_19_ebike_ordinance_update_FINAL.pdf


Source: https://www.facebook.com/173264522684150/posts/2669965199680724?sfns=mo

[Sombeech]

That drift thohttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190828/45d491fcb5c347d05c8c67ae8b018f6c.jpg

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[Sombeech]

Some of those anti ebike comments are gold.

"Passed me going uphill totally out of control"

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[twotimer]

Here ya go Justin...for when you're ready to move up a level.

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[double moo]

Here ya go Justin...for when you're ready to move up a level.

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No boost... would not ride.

[accadacca]

Crazy stuff...

The report recommends ordinance amendments to expire on July 1, 2020 (part of pilot program)
-Class I E-mtbs allowed for users 65 and older anywhere on system
-Class I E-mtbs allowed for all users within Round Valley

[Sombeech]

BOOM
Ebikes classified as non motorized. Thanks Trump! #winning

"It’s part of a new Trump administration order — hotly opposed by many outdoors groups — that will allow e-bikes on every federal trail where a regular bike can go."

"Interior Secretary David Bernhardt signed the order without fanfare Thursday, classifying e-bikes as non-motorized bikes."

https://www.apnews.com/d22c8bb8a83c48c0b421dc0da81efd0b


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[double moo]

Just reading comments on another site. IT was noted that this is from the Dept of the Interior which is why it lists BLM, Fish and Wildlife, National Parks and other specific agency managed land. Good for many areas - like Moab.

The National Forest Service is under the Department of Agriculture which is not included in this administrative order. Wasatch, Cache, Uintah, etc... forests are not inclluded... which is pretty much every where around here that we want to be riding.

Maybe they will follow suit? Maybe they are waiting to see how this works out before including the NFS land? Groups are already lining up to sue the government, and theywill find some liberal judge to block this just because of the administration it was implemented under. Had this happened under Obama we'd now have Bernie and Pocahantas wanting to give a free eMTB to every college grad with their tuition forgiveness.

[moab mark]

http://kutv.com/news/local/coming-soon-to-national-park-trails-electric-bikes

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/interior-department-moves-electric-bikes-national-parks-public/story?id=65293209

Click on new memo to read the details.



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[accadacca]

Lol

"If you're hiking on a trail in Utah and you're rounding a bend and something's coming at you at 20 mph, that really changes the experience," said Kristen Brengel, a vice president of the National Parks Conservation Association, a non-profit that advocates for the national park system.

"It's pretty jarring" to those who take to public lands to escape city noise and stress for nature, Brengel said. "You're adding significant speed and a throttle to those trails."

[Sombeech]

"It's pretty jarring" to those who take to public lands to escape city noise and stress for nature, Brengel said.

The only noise heard will be the hikers screaming

[BasinCruiser]

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[Sombeech]

I'm waiting for the tandem ebike. Then when your wife or kid fakes the pedaling, it's ok.

[Iceaxe]

I'm waiting for the tandem ebike. Then when your wife or kid fakes the pedaling, it's ok.

On an ebike isn't everyone fake pedaling?!?

:roflol:

[Sombeech]

On an ebike isn't everyone fake pedaling?!?


That's not what my KOMs say

[Iceaxe]

That's not what my KOMs saySo you beat out another fat guy on an ebike for a KOM? Cool!

I think just about every KOM in Corner Canyon is now owned by an ebike, you should come down and chase some of those records.

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[Sombeech]

THERE's the trigger I was looking for :lol8:

[Sombeech]

https://sierratrails.org/understanding-e-bikes-and-what-they-mean-to-lost-sierra-trails/

"In more than 300 miles of riding a wide range of trails on Class 1 e-bikes in different conditions, we discovered that although an e-bike has a motor attached, it is still human-powered and requires physical effort, as it will not move without pedaling input. But more importantly, we discovered this new form of recreation is just as low impact as a traditional mountain bike, and has the ability to create many more advocates for trails and the protection of public lands."

"The Tahoe National Forest recently opened more than 200 miles of non-motorized trail to Class 1 e-bike use including favorites like Hole in the Ground, Emigrant, Sawtooth, Bullards Bar and North Yuba Trail in Downieville. "

Like Trump says, I'm gonna get #tiredofwinning

[Iceaxe]

But It's got a motor! :roflol:

My motorcycle also will not move without human powered effert... I have to twist my wrist to make it go... same thing... just different.

[BasinCruiser]

But It's got a motor! :roflol:

My motorcycle also will not move without human powered effert... I have to twist my wrist to make it go... same thing... just different.

Back in the day, before electronic ignition, also had to kick start it. How is that different from an ebike?

[Sombeech]

Wait, you guys don't kick start your motorcycles? FAT ASSES!

[Iceaxe]

The only motorcycle I still own requires kick starting, but then again, we have already established that I'm not an overweight pussy... so there is that...

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[BasinCruiser]

On the one hand, I don't understand the load social media uproar by some MTB purists about E-bikes on trails. However, as the line continues to blur between motorcycles and mountain bikes as performance and endurance increases with ebikes, the tension and concerns are likely to escalate and increase before they die down. At what point do we say that this is just an electric motorcycle with pedals?


https://electrek.co/2019/09/16/frey-bike-electric-bicycle-cc-ex-am1000/

[Iceaxe]

It looks like ebikes are going to have some competition... the door has been kicked open....

Feds open Utah's National Parks to ATV's
https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2019/09/28/feds-open-utahs-national/

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[Iceaxe]

This is what happens when your wife finds out you were out riding an ebike.....

LMAO

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191009/ddec4b9e3d4832907275ab10384379f7.jpg

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[Sombeech]

Just got back from a beautiful colorful ride in North Ogden, and I had my first negative encounter with an older fella. And of course the GoPro was rolling, so this video will be funny.

I found the dude on Strava, so tonight was just one bonus after another.

I'm currently thinking up the title to the video, something like "Old Man complains about Ebike"

[tallsteve]

Just got back from a beautiful colorful ride in North Ogden, and I had my first negative encounter with an older fella. And of course the GoPro was rolling, so this video will be funny.

I found the dude on Strava, so tonight was just one bonus after another.

I'm currently thinking up the title to the video, something like "Old Man complains about Ebike"

Looking forward to it.
I got passed by two e-bikes yesterday evening up AF on one of the really long grind climbs. They were going so fast it made me feel like a slug. Of course I've been at sea level for basically the last week so I was pedaling like a slug, haha. Looking at strava, they did that mile and a half climb in 6 minutes when my PR is just under 14. They actually passed me later on after they went out and back on another trail. I didn't mind that they were on e-bikes at all. They covered a lot of ground in a short amount of time. More power to 'em.

[Sombeech]

Looking forward to it.
I got passed by two e-bikes yesterday evening up AF on one of the really long grind climbs.

I hope they at least greeted you. Although, I greeted this guy last night, asked him how he's doing, and then also said it's a great day to ride with these beautiful colors. Not even a "Yes it's nice out" or anything, he went straight for the "you shouldn't be on that with a motor", then he went on mumbling something else as he rode away, I replied "yes it's AWESOME", and he shouted something like "Ebikes suck", to which I replied "don't be whining now".

Anyways, that was my first negative encounter, and I'm waiting to see if he'll go online talking about how bad he was attacked by a guy on an ebike, so I can calmly correct the record.

Whatever our preferences are, kindness helps.

[tallsteve]

I hope they at least greeted you.

Nope. Looked like a couple of early twenty year olds and just hollered something unintelligible, which I took to mean "get out of our way".

[Sombeech]

Nope. Looked like a couple of early twenty year olds and just hollered something unintelligible, which I took to mean "get out of our way".
That's unfortunate. Yeah there will always be those punks that put a strain on the public relations, just like drone pilots.

[tallsteve]

That's unfortunate. Yeah there will always be those punks that put a strain on the public relations, just like drone pilots.

There's always those people no matter the mode of travel. I'm not perfect but, I do say "thank you" when someone pulls over to let me pass.

[spades]

Ebikes are a lot like dating a porn star and skipping the sex.

ROFLMAO

Exactly what was on mind!

[BasinCruiser]

When e-bikers aren’t e-biking.

http://www.facebook.com/1391672471/posts/10219739439221759?d=n&sfns=mo (https://www.facebook.com/1391672471/posts/10219739439221759?d=n&sfns=mo)

[Sombeech]

ha ha, when he stopped running and it kept going

[Iceaxe]

Yo beech... did you show this to your wife? She's a big runner if I remember correctly....

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[accadacca]

That video came up in my feed the other day. Pretty funny.

[accadacca]

I’m ready to tear it up! Giddy up!!!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200118/e8083b288748e437313cade1a3446ecf.jpg

https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2019/11/05/segway-unveils-electric-dirt-bike-sur-ron/amp/

[double moo]

http://gnarcouch.com/2020/01/14/xc-rider-pissed-off-when-e-bikers-have-more-fun/

[BasinCruiser]

Can’t wait until they come out with the ebike version of this beauty. Then I’ll really get the workout I’ve been looking for.



http://youtu.be/SuqZdN5jsZI

[Sombeech]

From the makers of Shake Weight

[stefan]

why stop at bikes?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CPJ-AbCsT8

[BasinCruiser]

Does this look like an ebike to you? Looks beautiful. I know i'll never 'afford' one of these at $6,500.


https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/02/turbo-levo-sl-1.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1000




Specialized’s new electric bicycle is super lightweight and super expensive (https://electrek.co/2020/02/05/specialized-turbo-levo-sl-super-lightweight-e-bike/)


https://electrek.co/2020/02/05/specialized-turbo-levo-sl-super-lightweight-e-bike/

[Giant Warp]

Thirty seven pounds. That is pretty amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4kkx_gn62g&feature=youtu.be

[Giant Warp]

Looking forward to it.
I got passed by two e-bikes yesterday evening up AF on one of the really long grind climbs. They were going so fast it made me feel like a slug. Of course I've been at sea level for basically the last week so I was pedaling like a slug, haha. Looking at strava, they did that mile and a half climb in 6 minutes when my PR is just under 14. They actually passed me later on after they went out and back on another trail. I didn't mind that they were on e-bikes at all. They covered a lot of ground in a short amount of time. More power to 'em.

I have photographic evidence of Tall Steve riding an ebike in AF canyon. LOL

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m10hSwEuQT8&feature=youtu.be


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFkRuoJsEKY&feature=youtu.be

[oldno7]

lots of e-bikes at the hunting expo. $3-6000

Rear wheel drive and 2 wheel drive.

They are claiming 21 miles of trail range.

Sorry I didn't get a pic or even remember the brands, my nephew was the one looking and I didn't pay enough attention.

[Sombeech]

Well, it's official, the major Mtn Bike brands can see that Ebikes are going to be popular so now the average price will be $12k. I'm glad I got mine early.

[BasinCruiser]

Well, it's official, the major Mtn Bike brands can see that Ebikes are going to be popular so now the average price will be $12k. I'm glad I got mine early.



Does that mean that demand is moving to e-bikes, and thus prices for real MTB bikes will come down? :naughty:

[BasinCruiser]

Jeep's is coming out with their version of an E-bike. Why not? Every one is doing it.



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https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21161230/jeep-ebike-electric-bike-quietkat-manufacturer-preorder-price-specs-date

[accadacca]

E-Bike???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHpP0tp92z4&feature=youtu.be

[Sombeech]

So many people are confused how to react on this one

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/travis-pastrana-ebikes-utah?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=2020_pastrana-and-friends&utm_content=us_paid



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[Giant Warp]

That Giant looks pretty sweet. I was in Moab last weekend and I saw that they were renting the new Santa Cruz ebikes.

[Iceaxe]

...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/2d4983e8b5fec8de7a68658c7130634b.jpg

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[accadacca]

The “baby maker” is a hipsters paradise. Lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9oAVFxaq64&feature=youtu.be

[Iceaxe]

:-)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200427/8d7fb10825c0b40b60d24d5888fc996f.jpg

[BasinCruiser]

So, apparently Karen just started into MTB, and was mistaken about a bike she saw in PC today.

‘Not sure if it’s a person on this group. But my wife and friend were biking today and got a note on their car. My wife rides a stache(29+) and her friend has a B+ plump jumper. Do people not know what e-bikes look like or are they embarrassed that a girl might be faster then them.’

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[Sombeech]

LOL

[Iceaxe]

Happy to see you got my note.

LMAO

You should post that on Utah MTB Enthusiasts, that will keep them entertained for at least a week.

[Sombeech]

For every ebike complaint I hear, I'm going to Strava a ride as a normal bike.

[BasinCruiser]

Happy to see you got my note.

LMAO

You should post that on Utah MTB Enthusiasts, that will keep them entertained for at least a week.


Ha. That’s where I stole it from.


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[Iceaxe]

For every ebike complaint I hear, I'm going to Strava a ride as a normal bike.

Too late... every meaningful uphill record in Corner Canyon has recently fallen to an ebike...

...you're a day late and a dollar short.

[Sombeech]

Too late... every meaningful uphill record in Corner Canyon has recently fallen to an ebike...

...you're a day late and a dollar short.Ha ha
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200507/fc1016f60c739e640d14abef95a813de.jpg

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[Iceaxe]

Yamaha unveils new state of the art ebike.

https://electrek.co/2020/07/29/yamaha-ydx-moro-new-full-suspension-electric-mountain-bike/

[accadacca]

Yamaha unveils new state of the art ebike.

https://electrek.co/2020/07/29/yamaha-ydx-moro-new-full-suspension-electric-mountain-bike/

Very nice. When do you pick it up?

[Iceaxe]

I don't ride an ebike. I pee standing up...

[double moo]

NBD - I want to ride the upper trails in AF canyon when the snow flies. The 4+ miles to the top pretty much does me in before I get started on the trails. Not any more... bring on the snow!95618

[Sombeech]

NBD - I want to ride the upper trails in AF canyon when the snow flies. The 4+ miles to the top pretty much does me in before I get started on the trails. Not any more... bring on the snow!95618

That's a pretty nice bike, 10.0 nice components, fat bike with full suspension.

[Sombeech]

Finally, they put some charging stations on the trail in Ogden.

Actually, I placed these here last week, but don't tell anybody. I wasn't sure how people would react, if they would try to push some kind of vandalism or littering BS on me.

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[BasinCruiser]

I’m gonna put an end to this ebike nonsense no matter what.

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[double moo]

I’m gonna put an end to this ebike nonsense no matter what.

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Needs more Lycra...

[BasinCruiser]

^^^^C’mon, man. Everyone knows it’s flannel season.

[double moo]

not for the purists...

[Clipped_in]

People on bikes is a good thing. No matter what you ride. :nod: ...And yes I am a purist.

https://incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/pee-wee-herman-bike-for-sale-2.gif

[double moo]

A little AF action this morning.
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[BasinCruiser]

Is this the next step in the evolution of ebike? Convert ‘practically any MTB’?


http://youtu.be/_mf_5XfF7Bk

[lokkenika]

I want a new bike, but I can't decide if to buy an ebike or a simple bike. I am more for a simple one, as I move more and as I sit more at work, I really need a lot of action after it. Plus, as I know the prices for bike insurance are cheaper than for an ebike. However, at my insurance company which is https://simplebikeinsurance.com/ the prices are reasonable for both of them which makes the decision a lot harder. What is your opinion towards this? Thanks in advance for your replies.

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha....
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[2065toyota]

They have their place. My mom is 70 now and wouldn't go ride the longer and harder trails without an ebike. It's fun to still get her out and take her with us.