Bogley, the non-outdoor community

[Scott P]

Bogley has changed. Don't say that it's just me or that it's due to Facebook.

Although there has always been disagreements and even a few flame wars, there were still some useful outdoor discussion. Now they are almost all gone and very few members post anything related to the outdoors.

I yes, I get it; some of you like Trump and some of you don't. Still, where are all the outdoor discussions to at least be mixed in there? Every time I visit Bogley, I hope for some interesting outdoor discussions, but almost every time, there are none to be had.

Maybe the name of the forum should be changed to Trump Discussion Community or Democrats vs Republicans Community rather than Outdoor Community. It would be nice if there were at least some interesting outdoor related discussions mixed in there on the site, but they are so far and few between that this is no longer an outdoor site.

[devo_stevo]

Yes it has. I was pretty active on here in 2008 up to about 2010ish. I took some time off and did other things since then and recently satrted coming back to visit and comment on stuff again.

I've noticed what you are talking about. There are a few people that still contribute to that part of the site, but they seem to be mainly the mods and a couple of others, mainly in the canyoneering forum. The rest of the site is pretty dead.

I miss the likes of @IntrpidXJ and his stories of epic off road adventures in the Colorado Rockies. He went to some really great places and it always made me want to visit those spots. There are a couple of other notable people that used to post here that don't anymore.

Also, this is the only site on the internet where I get ads for Russian, Chinese, and Lithuanian dating sites as well as Ashley Madison. I know those things are supposed to be based on search history and all that, but good grief. I've never typed anything remotely close to that stuff into a search engine and I don't get them on any other site on the internet. At least not the ones I'm willing to go to.

[tallsteve]

Also, this is the only site on the internet where I get ads for Russian, Chinese, and Lithuanian dating sites as well as Ashley Madison. I know those things are supposed to be based on search history and all that, but good grief. I've never typed anything remotely close to that stuff into a search engine and I don't get them on any other site on the internet. At least not the ones I'm willing to go to.

I don't see any ads. Ad Blocker turned on with Chrome.

[tallsteve]

Just for fun, I turned Ad Blocker off and refreshed. Ads for brass valves, tactical flashlights and camo clothing.

[devo_stevo]

Just for fun, I turned Ad Blocker off and refreshed. Ads for brass valves, tactical flashlights and camo clothing.Yeah, it's not every time I come here, but it's regular enough that I notice.

[Sombeech]

Yep, the General Discussion forum is just General. It's fairly rare that trip reports or outdoor related posts come to the General Discussion forum, rather than the respective subforums.

If anybody has Trip Reports or outdoor related discussion, by all means, we'd love to see it posted. But some folks just choose to post their outdoor topics elsewhere and then ask why it's not posted on Bogley, and there's not a lot we can do about that except to ask them to answer their own question.

We've been discussing the relocation of the political stuff back down into the political forum, and that would be a good idea. BUT.... I would love love LOVE if we could each commit to filling that gap in with 1 or 2 outdoors threads in place.

I say let's move it down to the respective forums. Doing this will absolutely take the forum activity to a decline, unless we keep the discussion going up here with outdoor topics. If you guys are ready to post just 1 or 2 threads to fill the gap, I'm all for it.

That's the main reason I've waited to move it down, because it's the primary cause for forum activity lately. But if we switch it over to good ol' outdoor related talk, I'm all for it.

Shall we?

[kiwi_outdoors]

Same thing over at motorcycle forums. Maybe partly due to we don't get enough time off to play (and plan for the play).

On a side note, the Wife and I are still planing our Ceda Mea trip for rock art and ruins, - two more guidebooks ordered! To test the "day trip" options, vs thru hike, this last Saturday we walked 13 miles, then on Sunday we walked 12 miles. We are both 66 yrs old, more or less.

[rockgremlin]

I think it has less to do with political affiliations of the users than it does the fact that most of the original forum creators are older. They have families now, and get out less often than they did when they were younger and had less real life responsibilities.

Also couple that with the fact that I don't document nearly as much as I used to. When I was younger I would take pictures of everything and do these massive TRs. Ain't got time for that anymore.

In some ways Bogley has become a version of the old Yahoo Canyoneering Group. :lol8:

[devo_stevo]

i do agree with rockgremlin. I used to have more time to go do stuff and I used to document it much more than I do now.

So yes, I'm a part of the problem, not the solution at this point.

[DirkHammergate]

Bogley has changed. Don't say that it's just me or that it's due to Facebook.

Although there has always been disagreements and even a few flame wars, there were still some useful outdoor discussion. Now they are almost all gone and very few members post anything related to the outdoors.

I yes, I get it; some of you like Trump and some of you don't. Still, where are all the outdoor discussions to at least be mixed in there? Every time I visit Bogley, I hope for some interesting outdoor discussions, but almost every time, there are none to be had.

Maybe the name of the forum should be changed to Trump Discussion Community or Democrats vs Republicans Community rather than Outdoor Community. It would be nice if there were at least some interesting outdoor related discussions mixed in there on the site, but they are so far and few between that this is no longer an outdoor site.

I mentioned that like 6 months ago when I resurfaced. We used to have actual gatherings now and then, I remember going to one at Desert Edge Pub. It was fun to meet a bunch of outdoor types. When I did mention the change I got the old "liberals are thin skinned or easily offended so they all ran off...." I actually get a kick out of watching IceAxe and OldNo7 perpetually in a Trump Meme circle jerk. Then again, its nearly impossible for me to get offended by anything, just don't say anything about my Mom or it's go time!

[twotimer]

It's winter time, so everyone is chillin' out. Go back to the warmer months and there's plenty of trip reports.

In regards to Trump...you can't turn on a TV, radio or computer without having the media bash you over the head with it. It dominates and will continue to do so. There was plenty of political talk around here when Obama was the prez, but I don't remember anyone whining about it. I think the more liberal types are all torqued because the Trump guys are all smiles.

I say move it back down to the basement...we'll have to log in to see it so any new folks wandering in here won't get all jacked and I also think the General Discussion and others will motor along just fine.

[DirkHammergate]

i say move it back down to the basement...


no!!!! Circlejerk! Circlejerk! Circlejerk! Circlejerk!

[Scott P]

There was plenty of political talk around here when Obama was the prez, but I don't remember anyone whining about it

There were also plenty of outdoor discussion back then.

In my opinion, political discussions are perfectly fine, but the outdoors should also be discussed to. The outdoor discussions seem to have mostly disappeared. I don't mean just trip reports either.


It's winter time, so everyone is chillin' out. Go back to the warmer months and there's plenty of trip reports.

We'll see. It seems more than that. Also, as far as winter goes, we went canyoneering last weekend. There wasn't any snow at all in the canyons and everything was super dry.

[Iceaxe]

Jesus.... now we have to babysit your candy ass and personally walk you to the proper forum while guarding your safe space?

EVERY forum ALWAYS takes on the personality of those who post often. If you want more hiking, canyons or other subject matter just go to the proper section and post a couple topics, it's not that difficult.

The general section has been popular lately because that's what those who post often find most interesting at the moment.

[oldno7]

no!!!! Circlejerk! Circlejerk! Circlejerk! Circlejerk!

you have a habit of ending up in the middle of these discussions, what does that make you, the Master-baiter??

[oldno7]

I guess we could go back to heart shaped pancakes,strawberries and love letters, they must have had some kind of outdoor connection....:roflol:

pot--meet kettle...

[Scott P]

If you want more hiking, canyons or other subject matter just go to the proper section and post a couple topics, it's not that difficult.

There has been almost nothing there; that was my point. I have posted some stuff there, including everything outdoors I did last year. I don't need to read my own stuff though; I already read it when I wrote it.


The general section has been popular lately because that's what those who post often find most interesting at the moment.

Yes, that's the point. There is nothing wrong with the General Forum, but the other forums are dead or mostly dead. That's fine if that's what you want, but I stand by my statement that the "outdoor" part of Bogley is disappearing.


I guess we could go back to heart shaped pancakes,strawberries and love letters, they must have had some kind of outdoor connection....:roflol:

pot--meet kettle...

Yes, but didn't I also post outdoor stuff while I was posting that? Once again there is nothing wrong with having a General Forum, or political posts.

You yourself used to post all kinds of great posts about the outdoors. For a long time I wanted to do some canyons with you (but apparently the feeling was not mutual). I haven't seen you post anything about the outdoors for a long time. Obviously that's your own choice, but I did enjoy it when you (and others) used to post about the outdoors.

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PS, this isn't my website and I have no say in what goes on. I am just pointing out that the website has changed. Obviously some like the way it has changed. I'm just pointing out that personally I miss the frequent outdoor discussions that used to occur. I'm not asking anyone to change anything for my sake.

[Scott Card]

It's winter time, so everyone is chillin' out. Go back to the warmer months and there's plenty of trip reports.

In regards to Trump...you can't turn on a TV, radio or computer without having the media bash you over the head with it. It dominates and will continue to do so. There was plenty of political talk around here when Obama was the prez, but I don't remember anyone whining about it. I think the more liberal types are all torqued because the Trump guys are all smiles.

I say move it back down to the basement...we'll have to log in to see it so any new folks wandering in here won't get all jacked and I also think the General Discussion and others will motor along just fine.

This ^^^^^^

I wonder how many people leave the site after poking around because the general section has turned so political.

[oldno7]

Have you ever thought maybe the lack of recent reports by EVERYONE might be tied to critics evaluating and belittling posters of said trip reports?

Was a ploy by the russians,tomhank, bots, et/al to drive usage to a newer site..

yea, thats working well for em:haha:

bogley has always been in competition with other sites but they ALL come back here,eventually, to PM and get good info. and find out why their brand of politics is wrong:roflol:

[oldno7]

This ^^^^^^

I wonder how many people leave the site after poking around because the general section has turned so political.

great question, I'll guess Scott and beech have an answer.

Is it possible the same things draw in many hits to the site?

Do hits pay the power company?

[jman]

All preface with this, that I have been here since 2006. Not the longest member but old enough to watch a LOT of changes over the years.

My first thought, and it’s a wild one, is to take Bogley back to UUtah.com or something similar. Watching the countless posts over the years, many TRs and threads just aren’t non-Utah specific. Except for outdoors news or gear. The point isn’t to eliminate non-Utahans from posting at all although it may be interpreted that way. I would dare say that 98% of all posts relates to Utah.

With that, the thought would be to make Utah-oriented again but with the addition of “outside of Utah” (or something similar). It may seem like rearranging chairs on the titanic but I think it serves a purpose and will make the forum feel “better” or more suited for everyone.

Another thought is to eliminate or consolidate the very dead sub-forums. Clean up the dead leaves so to speak.

Another thought is that posting a TR is tedious and does take up a lot of time like Rockgremlin has stated. If that process was easier, it would be a major incentive to others to post more TRs. I’m specially looking at the picture management or attaching photos. That is a mess, no offense personally, but it just is. That there alone would motivate me more to post more TRs. I try to post the good ones where I can, but a TR just takes a lot of time.

Another thing that I noticed is that when someone posts a length or detailed TR and no one relplies or comments for days on it, it kinda sucks. That is very demotivating. I’m
not saying every member needs to comment but a few more comments than just one is very persuasive for the person to stay and contribute more to the site. And to those who care, will.

Another thing, the spam prevention needs to be updated (or something) 100 fold.

Perhaps another site look is in order too. Strictly aesthetics - but it does help. Gotta take a little pride in it.


Those are just a few thoughts on the tip of my tongue...




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[rockgremlin]

Here's another thing to consider:

Personally, I don't post a lot of trip reports because I don't like splashing my personal life around the internet. I value my internet anonymity - highly. I don't have (nor never will have) a Facebook account, I don't Snapchat, and the only thing on my Instagram account are funny videos and memes that I've collected over the years. Nothing personal.

I used to document and post to this site frequently, but as I get older I have a desire to slip into the shadows and remain there, basking in the safety of anonymity.

Just like my avatar.


Just some reading from above:


Another thought is to eliminate or consolidate the very dead sub-forums. Clean up the dead leaves so to speak.

^^^Couldn't agree more. This NEEDS to happen.

[twotimer]

Yeah well...Mr. Reliable just put one up, so there.

[DirkHammergate]

what does that make you, the Master-baiter??

Only when I'm watching Stormy Daniels porn..... Did anyone notice FLOTUS looking quite pissed last night?

What Money can't buy, right?

[Scott P]

Anyway, for anyone who thinks that it is just because it is winter, here is a quick graph I made using Bogley Canyoneering Threads as an example (of course any other sub forum could be used as well; I just use canyoneering because it used to have a lot of posts.

In January 2018, there are six active threads in the canyoneering forum that have been posted in at least once. Here's how January 2018 compares with previous years. This is just an observation, not a complaint.

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[DirkHammergate]

Perhaps another site look is in order too. Strictly aesthetics - but it does help. Gotta take a little pride in it.

Yes, I agree with that. It's dated. My 2 cents? Just make a Politics Sub-Forum? That seems obvious.

[twotimer]

Only when I'm watching Stormy Daniels porn..... Did anyone notice FLOTUS looking quite pissed last night?

What Money can't buy, right?His wife is smokin' hot, but I'd take Daniels any day over the old lady. I don't blame the Prez one bit for tryin' to get a piece of that.

[2065toyota]

On my end, I used to do a lot of trip reports in the canyoneering forum. Nowadays, we do canyons that already have numerous reports done on them or we are doing canyons that we don't want to do a report on. Times have just changed a little and the content has also.

We can only post so many pictures of the popular canyons before everyone gets bored of them, they never get commented on, and it seems like nobody really cares or even wants to see them

[Iceaxe]

^^^THIS^^^

The Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed.

[twotimer]

On my end, I used to do a lot of trip reports in the canyoneering forum. Nowadays, we do canyons that already have numerous reports done on them or we are doing canyons that we don't want to do a report on. Times have just changed a little and the content has also.

We can only post so many pictures of the popular canyons before everyone gets bored of them, they never get commented on, and it seems like nobody really cares or even wants to see themNah...I disagree. I just posted one up with some cool pics...they're fun! It's always nice to read something and see the pics, no matter if it's the same places or not. I like seeing the people, too.

Fighting off laziness is job #1.

[2065toyota]

Nah...I disagree. I just posted one up with some cool pics...they're fun! It's always nice to read something and see the pics, no matter if it's the same places or not. I like seeing the people, too.

Fighting off laziness is job #1.


Your current post of pics is good, and is unique. But you can't criticize to fight off laziness. You have 3 total trip reports :haha:

Do not take my sarcasm the wrong way.

[2065toyota]

I've started threads in the hunting forums and off roading forums and they are completely useless I have decided.

The canyoneering forum seems to be the only one that gets a decent amount of use, and that is even pretty low anymore

[kiwi_outdoors]

^^^THIS^^^

The Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed.

just like the golden age of Hang Gliding has passed.

[twotimer]

Your current post of pics is good, and is unique. But you can't criticize to fight off laziness. You have 3 total trip reports :haha:

Do not take my sarcasm the wrong way.It's all good. And you're right with only 3 in a year. When I was here under the username Byron I had a bunch of TRs.

Baja certainly is interesting, but I'm gonna try to put up more of the in between stuff. That's the laziness part I'm talking about.

[DirkHammergate]

His wife is smokin' hot, but I'd take Daniels any day over the old lady. I don't blame the Prez one bit for tryin' to get a piece of that.

No way man, I'd flotus that FLOTUS everyday of the week over Stormy. You ever see the last episode Season 1 of Silicon Valley where they whiteboard how they can jerk off 1000 dudes at a conference in 10 minutes? Stormy has had too many D2F's, Hot Swaps and Busted P@nis'. I'm sure Donald spreads it, or maybe not since Baron Von Trump, Melania is a no brainer.

[accadacca]

Bogley has changed. Don't say that it's just me or that it's due to Facebook.
Disagree. The rise of Facebook has been a HUGE factor. Maybe the biggest of them all.

Completely agree and wish more people would post TR’s and talk about the outdoors. It’s so easy on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and others. Everybody and their dog (literally) are on those platforms. They have unlimited resources as well to advance the platform.


If anybody has Trip Reports or outdoor related discussion, by all means, we'd love to see it posted. But some folks just choose to post their outdoor topics elsewhere and then ask why it's not posted on Bogley, and there's not a lot we can do about that except to ask them to answer their own question.
^^^^THIS^^^^


I think it has less to do with political affiliations of the users than it does the fact that most of the original forum creators are older. They have families now, and get out less often than they did when they were younger and had less real life responsibilities.

Also couple that with the fact that I don't document nearly as much as I used to. When I was younger I would take pictures of everything and do these massive TRs. Ain't got time for that anymore.
^^^^THIS^^^^


EVERY forum ALWAYS takes on the personality of those who post often. If you want more hiking, canyons or other subject matter just go to the proper section and post a couple topics, it's not that difficult.
^^^^THIS^^^^


PS, this isn't my website and I have no say in what goes on. I am just pointing out that the website has changed. Obviously some like the way it has changed. I'm just pointing out that personally I miss the frequent outdoor discussions that used to occur. I'm not asking anyone to change anything for my sake.
This site belongs to the community, kinda like the community pool. The question; how do we fix it and who is willing to help?


On my end, I used to do a lot of trip reports in the canyoneering forum. Nowadays, we do canyons that already have numerous reports done on them or we are doing canyons that we don't want to do a report on. Times have just changed a little and the content has also.

We can only post so many pictures of the popular canyons before everyone gets bored of them, they never get commented on, and it seems like nobody really cares or even wants to see them
^^^^THIS^^^^

I agree with many other points, but my fingers are tired from making all these quotes!!!

[DirkHammergate]

Disagree. The rise of Facebook has been a HUGE factor. Maybe the biggest of them all.

Completely agree and wish more people would post TR’s and talk about the outdoors. It’s so easy on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and others. Everybody and their dog (literally) are on those platforms. They have unlimited resources as well to advance the platform.


^^^^THIS^^^^

If they post a TR on Social Media then what is it worth? I post pics on social media when I'm camping in a chair in the Swell with a 5th of Whiskey in my hand. I'd never put a technical information about routes on it.


This site belongs to the community, kinda like the community pool. The question; how do we fix it and who is willinIg to help?

I may know and have been on trips with TR Canyoneering posters. I'll ask their opinion, this site should be tightened down imo. I can't keep this Stormy Daniels bit up forever....

[DirkHammergate]

Dirk's had a tough quotation night.... peace

[2065toyota]

^^^THIS^^^

The Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed.

I would hardly say the Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed. Maybe yours. :haha:

There is still a lot out there for a lot of people, and a lot more people to do it also.

[Scott P]

^^^THIS^^^

The Golden Age of Canyoneering has passed.

Maybe so, but Canyoncollective has 33 active threads so far this month. That's about 3 times more than all of the Bogley Subforums added together. Bogley used to be at least equal in popularity than Canyoncollective. Of course that's a different topic already hashed out.

It seems to me that there are more reasons than just the Golden Age of Canyoneering is over and it's because of Facebook. I guess it's of little consequence though.

[Iceaxe]

Disagree. The rise of Facebook has been a HUGE factor. Maybe the biggest of them all.


I agree that Facebook is now the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

Forums seem to reach an upper limit on maximum number of people reading/posting very quickly and that max number is surprisingly low. Social media sites like Facebook don't seem to suffer from these limits. I know I can reach a much higher number of people with a lot less headaches through social media than I can through forums.

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[Scott P]

I agree that Facebook is now the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

Forums seem to reach an upper limit on maximum number of people reading/posting very quickly and that max number is surprisingly low. Social media sites like Facebook don't seem to suffer from these limits. I know I can reach a much higher number of people with a lot less headaches through social media than I can through forums.

Like me on Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/CanyoneerUT

Subscribe to me on YouTube: https://m.youtube.com/user/CanyoneerUT

[emoji631]

Didn't you say FB was doomed to fail sometime in the near future? :wink:

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[Iceaxe]

Didn't you say FB was doomed to fail sometime in the near future? :wink:

No, I said FB was extremely over valued as a stock (investment).

Facebook's stock value still makes no sense as Facebook is worth $500 billion while General Motors is only worth $50 billion. Heck, the tiny car company Tesla which has yet to turn a profit is worth $54 billion. Those numbers don't make sense if you think about them, give me GM all day long as a solid investment.

[reverse_dyno]

There doesn't seem to be much of an outdoor culture in Salt Lake City, or Utah in general. Yes, people go outside, but not nearly as much as in Oregon or Colorado. Fewer people going out means fewer posts on forms like bogley. Facebook outdoor groups are a joke. It is just a bunch of pictures of people (normally with kids in tow) hiking up Mt. Olympus or some other boring trail.

Outdoor culture is now dominated by people with less commitment to the sport, at least in Utah. Ten years ago people would brag about hiking +20 miles a day, now 10 miles is considered long. Why post a detailed TR when the trip you did was pulled out of a Falcon outdoor guide and nothing interesting happened?

Hopefully outdoor culture will once again return to its roots of exploration and adventure, but I doubt it. Safety and security are now the priorities of the masses.

[rockgremlin]

Didn't you say FB was doomed to fail sometime in the near future? :wink:

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[uintafly]

There doesn't seem to be much of an outdoor culture in Salt Lake City, or Utah in general. Yes, people go outside, but not nearly as much as in Oregon or Colorado. Fewer people going out means fewer posts on forms like bogley. Facebook outdoor groups are a joke. It is just a bunch of pictures of people (normally with kids in tow) hiking up Mt. Olympus or some other boring trail.

Outdoor culture is now dominated by people with less commitment to the sport, at least in Utah. Ten years ago people would brag about hiking +20 miles a day, now 10 miles is considered long. Why post a detailed TR when the trip you did was pulled out of a Falcon outdoor guide and nothing interesting happened?

Hopefully outdoor culture will once again return to its roots of exploration and adventure, but I doubt it. Safety and security are now the priorities of the masses.

Is this your opinion or do you have something to back it up? Not saying it is necessarily incorrect that Oregon and Colorado are more "outdoorsy" than Utah, but the idea that people in Utah don't have an outdoor culture is laughable. Ever seen the parking lots up BCC and LCC? Basically every trailhead and resort lot packed by 8:30 on a weekend. There is a reason it's called the Wasangeles Range. 2 or 3 days after a storm the backcountry is basically a mogul field. 15 years ago, it was easy peasy to hike to a Uinta Lake and spend a few days by yourself. Now it's basically impossible. You could go on and on: San Rafael, Escalante, North Wash, etc. All places that were basically ghost towns not too long ago and are now overrun. I don't think a lack out outdoor Utah culture is any reason why Bogley is slowing down. It's probably more to do people migrating to more specialized sites. Bogley basically has a subforum for everything, but there are sport specific sites that are much more active than any of the subforums: canyoneering has canyoncollective, hiking/backpacking has backcountrypost, skiing has TGR, etc.

[Scott P]

There doesn't seem to be much of an outdoor culture in Salt Lake City (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=37&BEFID=96424&aon=%5E1&MerchantID=304050&crawler_id=7304050&dealId=-zqyWBT7v6QZRUU5DgEgPA%3D%3D&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fanatics.com%2Fleague%2FNBAGL EAGUE%2Fteam%2FSalt_Lake_City_Stars%2Fcategory%2F8 022%2Fbrowse%2Ffeaturedproduct%2F2860805%2Fpartner id%2F8429%2Fsource%2Fshopping_ca%3Fsku%3D9746019&linkin_id=8058742&Issdt=180201124056&searchID=p11.73445fdbbfc1e463b44d&DealName=Men%27s+Salt+Lake+City+Stars+Fanatics+Bra nded+Primary+Logo+Long+Sleeve+T-Shirt+-+Navy&dlprc=29.99&AR=2&NG=2&NDP=5&PN=1&ST=7&FPT=DSP&NDS=&NMS=&MRS=&PD=&brnId=14305&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&op=&CM=&RR=2&IsLps=0&code=&acode=52&category=&HasLink=&ND=&MN=&GR=&lnkId=&SKU=9746019), or Utah in general. Yes, people go outside, but not nearly as much as in Oregon or Colorado. Fewer people going out means fewer posts on forms like bogley.

Colorado and Oregon have a lot more people than Utah, but by percentage of residents participating Utah was the #2 state for both hiking and climbing (behind Wyoming). I'll see if I can dig up the data.

In addition, the Wasatch National Forest surrounding the Salt Lake Valley is the most used section of Forest Service land in the nation.

Utah is also the undisputed center of canyoneering.

[rockgremlin]

Colorado and Oregon have a lot more people than Utah, but by percentage of residents participating Utah was the #2 state for both hiking and climbing (behind Wyoming). I'll see if I can dig up the data.

In addition, the Wasatch National Forest surrounding the Salt Lake Valley is the most used section of Forest Service land in the nation.

Utah is also the undisputed center of canyoneering.


Yeah I thought those claims that Utahns are lazy and don't get outdoors were bunk. I mean, I'm lazy and don't get out that much, but I know a lot of other Utahns get out fairly often. And really, with how close the Wasatch Mountains are in proximity to SLC how could that not be the case? SLC is spoiled to have such prominent mountains so close to the city.

[Sombeech]

How many hard drives are filled up with screenshot libraries waiting patiently for their chance to step out from the shadows to prove somebody wrong LOL

[Scott P]

SLC is spoiled to have such prominent mountains so close to the city.

True. No other major city in the US really compares.

Still, there are many people living in SLC who never visit the mountains.

[rockgremlin]

True. No other major city in the US really compares.

Still, there are many people living in SLC who never visit the mountains.

Even Denver, the "Mile high city" who's known for its mountainous setting is still quite a long distance away from the Rockies. Most people don't know this.

[jman]

There doesn't seem to be much of an outdoor culture in Salt Lake City, or Utah in general. Yes, people go outside, but not nearly as much as in Oregon or Colorado. Fewer people going out means fewer posts on forms like bogley. Facebook outdoor groups are a joke. It is just a bunch of pictures of people (normally with kids in tow) hiking up Mt. Olympus or some other boring trail.

Outdoor culture is now dominated by people with less commitment to the sport, at least in Utah. Ten years ago people would brag about hiking +20 miles a day, now 10 miles is considered long. Why post a detailed TR when the trip you did was pulled out of a Falcon outdoor guide and nothing interesting happened?

Hopefully outdoor culture will once again return to its roots of exploration and adventure, but I doubt it. Safety and security are now the priorities of the masses.

Exploration eh? Here’s a plug for my brothers website, as he likes to specialize in the not so known places. Check it out at www.thetrekplanner.com




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[2065toyota]

How many hard drives are filled up with screenshot libraries waiting patiently for their chance to step out from the shadows to prove somebody wrong LOL

I have almost 2 terabytes of canyoneering and hunting photos

[accadacca]

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What would that chart look like for political discussions or general chit chat topics? I would rather hang around a place that has a variety of topics and chit chat, instead of sausage fest canyoneering talk all day. Sorry, I can only take so much of that. [partly tongue in cheek/] [emoji23]

[reverse_dyno]

Shopping at REI and spending a few hours hiking the Wasatch every weekend does not mean you are part of a culture. Definition of culture: Culture is the social behavior and norms found in human societies. My point is there is a very weak set of shared norms and values around the environment/outdoor activities in Utah. You can see it on Bogley, and is the primary reason why I have stopped posting TR's here. SLC lost the outdoor retailers show because Utah doesn't embody the norms outdoor companies such as Patagonia and Black Diamond want to project, Colorado does. Culture has nothing to do with how many people do something, it has to do with how people feel about what they are doing.

[rockgremlin]

Shopping at REI and spending a few hours hiking the Wasatch every weekend does not mean you are part of a culture. Definition of culture: Culture is the social behavior and norms found in human societies. My point is there is a very weak set of shared norms and values around the environment/outdoor activities in Utah. You can see it on Bogley, and is the primary reason why I have stopped posting TR's here. SLC lost the outdoor retailers show because Utah doesn't embody the norms outdoor companies such as Patagonia and Black Diamond want to project, Colorado does. Culture has nothing to do with how many people do something, it has to do with how people feel about what they are doing.

So where do you post your TRs now? Serious question.