Hatch

[DirkHammergate]

This is funny... Good to see him so savvy at 83.

http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Oops-Sen-Orrin-Hatch-Thanks-Salt-Lake-Tribune-12455361.php

(http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Oops-Sen-Orrin-Hatch-Thanks-Salt-Lake-Tribune-12455361.php) Orrin Hatch ✔ OrrinHatch (https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch) Grateful for this great Christmas honor from the Salt Lake Tribune. For the record, I voted for @SpencerJCox (https://twitter.com/SpencerJCox) and @rudygobert27 (https://twitter.com/rudygobert27). #utpol (https://twitter.com/hashtag/utpol?src=hash)
12:25 PM - Dec 25, 2017 (https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch/status/945375067927490560)



(http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Oops-Sen-Orrin-Hatch-Thanks-Salt-Lake-Tribune-12455361.php)

[DirkHammergate]

(http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Oops-Sen-Orrin-Hatch-Thanks-Salt-Lake-Tribune-12455361.php) Orrin Hatch ✔ @ (https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch)Orri (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=17372)nHatch Grateful for this great Christmas honor from the Salt Lake Tribune. For the record, I voted for @SpencerJCox (https://twitter.com/SpencerJCox) and @rudygobert27 (https://twitter.com/rudygobert27). #utpol (https://twitter.com/hashtag/utpol?src=hash)
12:25 PM - Dec 25, 2017 (https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch/status/945375067927490560)

"In 1976, in his first run for public office, Hatch was elected to the United States Senate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate), defeating Democrat Frank Moss (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Moss_(politician)), a three-term incumbent. Among other issues, Hatch criticized Moss's 18-year tenure in the Senate, saying "What do you call a Senator who's served in office for 18 years? You call him home."[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrin_Hatch#cite_note-9) Hatch ran on the promise of term limits[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrin_Hatch#cite_note-10) and argued that many Senators, including Moss, had lost touch with their constituents.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrin_Hatch#cite_note-11)"

This becomes more riotous every day....

[BruteForce]

Hatch and Garn provided me with my nominations to West Point (US Army Military Academy) in ~1985. I too think he has served too long and needs to now step aside. Utah needs true representation, not this dinosaur that now only votes for himself and/or his wallet.

[Iceaxe]

You guys do realize that if Hatch steps down we'll be stuck with Mitt Romney don't You?

I'd vote for a turd in a punch bowl before I'd ever support Romney.

So... I'm really hoping Hatch sticks around. YMMV

[DirkHammergate]

Hatch and Garn provided me with my nominations to West Point (US Army Military Academy) in ~1985. I too think he has served too long and needs to now step aside. Utah needs true representation, not this dinosaur that now only votes for himself and/or his wallet.

Yes, I'm concerned cause my Dad has just turned 90. Still in pretty good shape but simply no longer understands current issues that impact younger people and families. Always talks about how he doesn't understand why so many women work and don't stay home like it was back in the day. I suppose I'll lose touch when I'm that age, I'm already worried Hatch has lost touch 20 years ago. I'd be down for Mitt for sure as an Alternate in the Primary and Jenny Wilson would make a fine democratic candidate.

[rockgremlin]

You guys do realize that if Hatch steps down we'll be stuck with Mitt Romney don't You?

I'd vote for a turd in a punch bowl before I'd ever support Romney.

So... I'm really hoping Hatch sticks around. YMMV


What's your beef with Mitt?

Asking for a friend...

[DirkHammergate]

What's your beef with Mitt?

Asking for a friend...

Too reasonable? Too agreeable? Cause Obama copied his health plan as Governor?

Duh, That's Obama's fault, not Mitt's.

[Iceaxe]

What's your beef with Mitt?

He is a two faced hypocrit.

It's Matt's relationship with Trump I have problems with. I have no problem with the fact that Mitt hates Trump, I have a problem with the fact he sucked up to Trump and took his money, and kissed his ass, when it benefited Mitt.

Sorry, but I just can't respect that and find the ethics intolerable. You would hope the GOP learned it's lesson in Alabama where they ran a highly flawed candidate and lost a race that was impossible to lose (also see Democrats 2016 presidential candidate).

Perhaps my best personal example is back when I was racing motorcycles professionally, I would not accept sponsorship money or contingency money from business or products I didn't believe in. Many professional athlete's do the same, and many just take the money and say public beware. To each his own I guess.

[DirkHammergate]

So... I'm really hoping Hatch sticks around. YMMV

I'd argue that if Hatch does run against Jenny Wilson, it'll be very very close. Hatch's disapproval rating in early October was at 50%, it's likely gone higher with all the nonsense he's pulled with Trump. Pundits are already predicting a potential seat change with Mia Love's seat, Dems are running McAdams who's pretty popular. Definitely looking forward to 2018. I think the current delegation is in for a surprise.

[Iceaxe]

I'd argue that if Hatch does run against Jenny Wilson, it'll be very very close. Hatch's disapproval rating in early October was at 50%, it's likely gone higher with all the nonsense he's pulled with Trump. Pundits are already predicting a potential seat change with Mia Love's seat, Dems are running McAdams who's pretty popular. Definitely looking forward to 2018. I think the current delegation is in for a surprise.ROFLMAO... please stop, the humor is killing me....

You seriously believe a Democrat stands a snowballs chance in hell of winning a congressional seat in Utah? That's just too funny. Utah is the reddest state in the country. In the current political climate Republicans could run a goat for office and would still win.

[Iceaxe]

Here is my current prediction of how the 2018 mid terms will go...

Republicans will pick up seats in the Senate. Republicans will lose seats in the house but still maintain a majority. Which again leaves Republicans controlling all three branches of government and Democrats will be left with nothing to do but continue to chase the Russian unicorn.

/bookmarked

[DirkHammergate]

Here is my current prediction of how the 2018 mid terms will go...

Republicans will pick up seats in the Senate. Republicans will lose seats in the house but still maintain a majority. Which again leaves Republicans controlling all three branches of government and Democrats will be left with nothing to do but continue to chase the Russian unicorn.

/bookmarked

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/

(https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/)

[DirkHammergate]

In what world do Republicans pick up any seats in 2018?

[Iceaxe]

In what world do Republicans pick up any seats in 2018?
Simple math and a little commonsense will tell you how the Senate races will play out. There are 34 Senate seats up for grabs at the 2018 mid terms.

Democrats have 26 seats they must defend, 10 of which are in traditional red states Trump won.

Republicans have only 8 seats they must defend, and only one of those seats is in a state that voted for Hillary.

Republicans will pick up two or three seats overall in the Senate.

Also the way the majority of people vote is pretty simple. They ask themselves if their life is better or worse than last election. With stocks soaring, unemployment falling, wages increasing and taxes decreasing I'm guessing most people will be fat, dumb and happy to vote for little change. YMMV

[rockgremlin]

Republicans could run a goat for office and would still win.

....this kind of goat?

88595

[Iceaxe]

....this kind of goat?

88595

If her fantasy football luck carries over she would be a lock.

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

Hatch to retire, looks like we get stuck with Mittens.

#Judas

[Scott Card]

I'm a Mitt fan so I'm okay with getting "stuck" with him. :)

[DirkHammergate]

Is it a forgone conclusion with Mitt? The reason I could see him running for the seat would be to challenge Trump for the 2020 nomination. Bannon is already suggesting Mormons don't believe in the real Jesus (as if anything religious in nature isn't open to interpretation).

[DirkHammergate]

Also, I believe it to be a smart move on his part. He is widely unpopular here and I think it would be a challenge for him to retain the seat as much as everyone thinks you could run a steel pole versus a democrat and still win. Alabama did it, no reason Utah couldn't. It's absurd to think any midterm election is off the table.

[Iceaxe]

As of today Mitt will be the next Senator from Utah. It's a 100% lock.

[DirkHammergate]

As of today Mitt will be the next Senator from Utah. It's a 100% lock.

No dispute there. Like I said, Hatch was done, he's saving the seat.

[qedcook]

As of today Mitt will be the next Senator from Utah. It's a 100% lock.

I think it's lame. It's not a kingship that you choose who you pass it to... But I agree. Unless Iceaxe runs for the seat...

[Iceaxe]

I think it's lame. It's not a kingship that you choose who you pass it to... But I agree. Unless Iceaxe runs for the seat...

Hahaha... the current liberal media would crucify me if I ran for office as I've been known to tell an off color joke or two and grab my fair share of pussy....

...That and I'm much to honest to ever be a politician.

[emoji631]

[Iceaxe]

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[Iceaxe]

There are rumblings that Mia Love might be interested in Hatch's seat. I'd much prefer her to Mittens.

[Brian in SLC]

There are rumblings that Mia Love might be interested in Hatch's seat. I'd much prefer her to Mittens.

She might be doing the math. Ben could unseat her. He might be too junior for a Senate slot. I don't find her overly sharp. That said, having heard her speak in person a few months back, she did surprise me although her message kinda sucked. She did deliver it well. Hatch was at the same event. He looked old. Helped on the stage by his handlers. Secret Service guys were funny (suckin' up the free food). Black SUV parade. Hatch told that old tired Mormans-in-Heaven joke. Didn't play well. Dunno. Maybe he was tired.

Poor Jenny Wilson. Honestly, if Mitt runs, she oughta just drop. Why waste the time/money?

Be a heck of a lot more interesting if Mitt didn't run. Dunno. We'll see if he does.

[Iceaxe]

The worst kept secret in Washington is finally verified.

Mitt Romney launches US Senate campaign in video praising Utahns, criticizing federal dysfunction
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46262895&nid=148

This is a done deal in Utah as no Democrat can challenge him.

[Scott P]

This is a done deal in Utah as no Democrat can challenge him.

Yeah, the chances of a Democrat winning that position in Utah are about zero.

PS, my brother is married to Chris Buttars' daughter. Chris Buttars is proof than any Republican can win against any Democrat in Utah (except for the mayor of Salt Lake an a few other rare exceptions).

[Iceaxe]

Wow... this is a surprise. I guess I'm not the only person in the never Mittens crowd.... Mitt was first loser at the GOP convention. It looks like his 2016 Trump rants might bite him in the ass. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy....

Mitt Romney faces Senate primary in Utah after state GOP convention setback

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/21/mitt-romney-faces-senate-primary-in-utah-after-state-gop-convention-setback.html

[oldno7]

Thats great news, don't really need an easterner pretending to represent Utah values.

[oldno7]

carpetbagger for sure

[DirkHammergate]

Wow... this is a surprise. I guess I'm not the only person in the never Mittens crowd.... Mitt was first loser at the GOP convention. It looks like his 2016 Trump rants might bite him in the ass. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy....

Mitt Romney faces Senate primary in Utah after state GOP convention setback

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/21/mitt-romney-faces-senate-primary-in-utah-after-state-gop-convention-setback.html

The only problem with this is the Republican convention is known for nothing but total conservative nut jobs. He'll win the runoff handily.

[uintafly]

The only problem with this is the Republican convention is known for nothing but total conservative nut jobs. He'll win the runoff handily.

Yup. This is how we got Mr. "short sale" himself. No way Lee would have beat Bennett in an actual primary.

The majority of Mormon GOP that I know, are not fans of Trump. They may have voted for him, but they'd prefer Mitt.

[Iceaxe]

Mitt is without doubt the local media's candidate of choice, I don't think he's the citizens candidate of choice.... kinda like Hillary, but different.

I don't think Mitt is nearly as popular as the local media, and national media for that matter, would like you to believe. Oldno7 nailed it with carpetbagger.

Anyhoo.... we shall see, as that's why they play the game.

[Scott Card]

The majority of Mormon GOP that I know, are not fans of Trump. They may have voted for him, but they'd prefer Mitt.

This is me. I voted for Trump, I'm not a fan of him as opposed to many of his policies of which I am a fan, and yes, I'd prefer Mitt.

My prediction, Mitt will win and it won't even be close.

[uintafly]

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46324953&nid=148&title=kennedy-apologizes-on-behalf-of-all-utahns-for-opponent-romney-calling-pastor-a-bigot

Welp, any chance Kennedy had of beating Romney just went down the drain.

I'm trying to figure out the thought process on this one. "Hey, you know that pastor who routinely insults the deeply held religious beliefs of 80% of our constituency? Well let's jump on his bandwagon!"

[Sandstone Addiction]

Sounds like even the pastor thought it to be strange thing to say, in his interview with Fox News...

Whoever advised him to to that should be fired.

[Iceaxe]

So me choice for Senator is a Carpet bagger, a dumbass or a total retard....

....things are not looking good.

[Sandstone Addiction]

So Kennedy was on the Rod Arquette show yesterday and he said that KSL editorial board had misquoted him. Rod played Kennedy's conversation on the phone (didn't have Jeffries though) and the only thing he apologized for was Romney calling him a religious bigot.

He said that the reason for the phone call was that he was trying to be a missionary.

Not sure what to believe, but he did sound sincere.

[Iceaxe]

Just a reminder what Mitt said in 2004 when he signed the Massachusetts "assault weapons" ban. To this day he still defends his decission to infringe on the Second Amendment rights of American citizens.

In the recent debate with Mike Kennedy, he told Utahns gun control should be left to the states... But less than a second after making that statement, he invalidated that promise with a call for two new pieces of federal gun legislation.

Mitt Romney couldn't even keep a promise for no more federal gun control for more than a single second.

If Mitt Romney is willing to give two exceptions to his rule of no federal gun control, (in the same breath he says no to federal gun control) then he will eventually call for more exceptions.
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[DirkHammergate]

I'm I the only person in Utah that finds Romney actually acceptable? Mind you, I believe the entire Utah delegation are a bunch of spineless cowardly traitors so I don't want him elected but he seems exponentially better than the lacky motherf*ckers currently in office.

This whole blow back makes me continue to think Utah is ass f*cking backwards as per usual.

[DirkHammergate]

He said that the reason for the phone call was that he was trying to be a missionary.

Don't even get me started on this nonsense. That's just f*cking code for the audience.

[Iceaxe]

The big problem with both parties is they don't select good candidates, or at least candidates that have the best chance in the general election. To win the primary you have to be an extremist, but the general public wants someone close to the center of the road.

My current prediction for the 2018 mid-terms. The GOP will pick up at least 2 seats in the senate and possible 4. The GOP will also narrowly keep the house.

And take heed.... I nailed all my 2016 predictions. And I might revise this prediction before the mid-term, but the blue wave is turning into a ripple as the Democrats battle within their party and have no unified message outside of hate Trump.

:flag:

[twotimer]

I just finished two weeks of vacation with a lot of friends...camping, biking, hiking, canyoneering. Sitting around the campfire every night, talking.

They are all liberals...very liberal. Damn near socialists. I've know them for years and we get together often.

They have no leader and they seem to be aimless. They certainly don't like Trump and they actually bitch mostly about his appointees, but at the same time they seem resigned to the fact they're getting no satisfaction from their "party"...which they criticize as being lame.

All of this is quite remarkable as their pie in the sky dreams were amped up when Obama ran the show. Last year at this time they were all jacked up thinking Trump might get his ass kicked out, but now they seem to not care about any of it.

I reckon we'll see just how much our country "hates" Trump come November, eh?

[uintafly]

Twotimer and Ice's posts are spot on and so depressing. Trump's a madman leading an angry mob of lunatics (no offense to bogleyites), but the establishment GOP is so afraid of that mob that they don't know what to do, and Dems seem hellbent on self destruction.

For God's sakes, the sitting president just said it's impossible for him to commit obstruction of justice and that he has the ability to pardon himself anyway, and the right wingers just nod their heads and smile as they throw their panties at him. And somehow, unless there is a major downturn in the economy, we are stuck with him for at least 6 more years.

[oldno7]

Twotimer and Ice's posts are spot on and so depressing. Trump's a madman leading an angry mob of lunatics (no offense to bogleyites), but the establishment GOP is so afraid of that mob that they don't know what to do, and Dems seem hellbent on self destruction.

For God's sakes, the sitting president just said it's impossible for him to commit obstruction of justice and that he has the ability to pardon himself anyway, and the right wingers just nod their heads and smile as they throw their panties at him. And somehow, unless there is a major downturn in the economy, we are stuck with him for at least 6 more years.

Thanks for your upbeat/great report:2thumbs:

everything is a breath of fresh air after zero....

[Iceaxe]

For God's sakes, the sitting president just said it's impossible for him to commit obstruction of justice and that he has the ability to pardon himself anyway,

This is such a stupid battle on both sides... IF Mueller is dumb enough to subpoena Trump it would be tied up in court until long after Trump left office. Hell, the guy is 71, there is a good chance Trump would be dead from old age before a Supreme Court decision was ever handed down. For Christs sake SCOTUS can't even make a ruling on a gay wedding cake without kicking the can another 3 years down the road.

[oldno7]

Twotimer and Ice's posts are spot on and so depressing. Trump's a madman leading an angry mob of lunatics (no offense to bogleyites), but the establishment GOP is so afraid of that mob that they don't know what to do, and Dems seem hellbent on self destruction.

For God's sakes, the sitting president just said it's impossible for him to commit obstruction of justice and that he has the ability to pardon himself anyway, and the right wingers just nod their heads and smile as they throw their panties at him. And somehow, unless there is a major downturn in the economy, we are stuck with him for at least 6 more years.

uintah was likely ok with this

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/if-hillary-is-indicted-president-clinton-could-pardon-herself-and-congress-might-be-helpless/