BYU Football 2018

[accadacca]

9 decommits and the final was BYU’s only 4 Star, who just committed to Washington.

[rockgremlin]

9 decommits and the final was BYU’s only 4 Star, who just committed to Washington.


:eek2:

This is BYU football deep in the throes of the death spiral from which they may never return...

[Iceaxe]

:eek2:

This is BYU football deep in the throes of the death spiral from which they may never return...I just can't understand how those in control (church leaders) don't see this and understand they need a conference.

I understand the whole football team is a missionary tool concept, but nobody is attracted or follows a perennial loser.

What are church leaders seeing that I'm missing?

[rockgremlin]

I just can't understand how those in control (church leaders) don't see this and understand they need a conference.

I understand the whole football team is a missionary tool concept, but nobody is attracted or follows a perennial loser.

What are church leaders seeing that I'm missing?


Maybe it's a teaching tool...:haha:


88576

[Sombeech]

I just can't understand how those in control (church leaders) don't see this and understand they need a conference.


They have General Conference twice a year

[rockgremlin]

They have General Conference twice a year

:roflol:OMG -- you win the internet today, LOL

[rockgremlin]

BYU hires former Utah OC Aaron Roderick as BYU's new passing game coordinator.


BYU better have a good field goal kicker, cuz they're gonna see a lot of fruitless trips to the red zone.


https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46225471&nid=294&title=patrick-kinahan-byu-finally-hires-experienced-football-coaches

[Iceaxe]

^^^ I noticed that and couldn't believe it.

Roderick should be the final nail in Quarterback U's coffin.

[accadacca]

They don't have many options. Scraping the barrel for leftovers...

[rockgremlin]

BYU's 2018 schedule is out:


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KSL link: https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46245189&nid=272&title=byu-to-face-five-power-5-teams-in-2018


The remarks in the comments section are hilariously scathing. Here's a few of the best:

"UtahmaninTexas (https://www.ksl.com/public/member/home/2899054/account)
BYU fans say the Pac12 is not P5, well if that is true byu only has one P5 school on the schedule next year. But we all know that's not true, Pac12 is P5. And yes Pac12 mediocrity is better than independent obscurity."

"Mark W. (https://www.ksl.com/public/member/home/469628/account)
Five P-5 level opponents isn't "daunting" by any means. It represents about half the schedule of every single P-5 team in the country. 9 to 10 P-5 games would be a "normal" schedule."

"LittleMan4 (https://www.ksl.com/public/member/home/3069428/account)
BYU fans like to talk down the PAC 12 and how Utah hasn't gotten to the PAC championship, so I'm really happy that they'll be playing 4 PAC 12 teams. After they go 0-4 the fans won't have any room to talk. By the way, it looks like you'll have some real thrillers to go watch in Provo. McNeese State, Wahoo!! I could see that one going down to the final minutes of the 4th lol"

"Mark B. (https://www.ksl.com/public/member/home/892770/account)
Not surprised. All five schools are looking for a patsy to pad their final standing. They found it in BYU. Time to get BYU out of the business of sports and back to being a teaching school."

"mark b. (https://www.ksl.com/public/member/home/2117319/account)
That's almost a tough schedule. It's almost a P5 schedule. Almost. Still need 3 more though. To all the cougar fans best of luck. If you want to down play the Pac12 you had better win at least half of them, but I suspect that won't happen. Good luck to both the local teams."

[accadacca]

They’ll be lucky to end at .500 and reach a bowl game. Mediocrity and obscurity continues in the independent experiment. Wandering in the wilderness...

[accadacca]

Holmoe is delusional...

—-

Holmoe says BYU independence is sustainable when three years ago Bronco said it was not

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865695354/Holmoe-says-BYU-independence-is-sustainable-when-three-years-ago-Bronco-said-it-was-not.html

[Iceaxe]

Independence sucks...

/End Discussion

[rockgremlin]

Another blow to BYU football:




Patrick Kinahan: Star LDS QB not interested in signing with BYU

By Patrick Kinahan, KSL.com Contributor | Posted Jan 31st, 2018 @ 10:22am


SALT LAKE CITY — The highly touted prospect, a strong-armed quarterback who is a member of the LDS Church, has everything BYU needs to bolster a sagging football program.

Yet, one week before national signing day, the best uncommitted high school quarterback is not expected to sign with his church-sponsored school. Tanner McKee, the prized recruit from Southern California, has not included BYU among his final five choices, according to Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755926-faith-over-football-4-star-qb-tanner-mckee-delays-cfb-dream-for-2-year-mission). In the messy world of recruiting, finishing in second place counts as much as fifth or 50th. BYU’s basketball program knows this fact, being in contention for high-end talent before losing out to Duke for the likes of Chris Burgess, Jabari Parker and Frank Jackson. But for a program that desperately needs to regain traction after a miserable 4-9 season, it is a blow to not make McKee’s final five.


The era of cleaning up most of the LDS talent apparently is long gone. As an example, for a long time, Utah didn’t expend much effort recruiting Utah County, but now the program has no qualms about mining BYU’s backyard. "Back in the day, BYU didn’t have to recruit very hard to get a player — especially if you’re talking about a missionary (who) is a member of the church,” former Utah coach Ron McBride said on 97.5-FM and 1280-AM The Zone. “Basically, the recruiting was already done. And plus, they had a national name. BYU was known across the country.” The Cougars need an infusion of talent, particularly with all the quarterback struggles last season. Even though McKee is planning to serve a church mission before enrolling, thereby delaying his college career for two years, BYU could have gained recruiting momentum if he would have committed to Kalani Sitake’s program.

Instead, as Bleacher Report has reported, McKee will pledge to play for Washington, Alabama, Stanford, Texas or Texas A&M. It is understandable to a recruit from California to consider two great Pac-12 teams and the nation’s best program, but BYU should make the cut above the two Texas schools.
As it stands, BYU’s football staff is trying to strengthen its relationship with the quarterback and his family. Much can change in the two years McKee is expected to be away from football on his mission. “There’s a different story for every recruit,” former BYU basketball coach Steve Cleveland said on the DJ and PK morning show. “BYU is not always going to be the perfect fit, even as a member of the church.” Yeah, but that’s the problem, McKee appeared to be the perfect fit. Here’s a kid who wouldn’t break the Sabbath to throw at The Opening, the Elite 11 camp’s biggest recruiting event of the year. His father told Bleacher Report that he probably would have participated on the Sunday, but his son “didn’t even blink an eye about not playing.” Going back several years, BYU has lost big-time talent to other programs in basketball and football. On both sides of the recruiting game, many college programs and LDS athletes have become more sophisticated, meaning BYU is no longer the automatic destination.

Understandably, Utah has benefitted greatly from recruiting LDS athletes in all sports. Stanford, among most Pac-12 programs, has made it a priority to sign LDS recruits.“There’s a lot of choices,” Cleveland said. “Even for LDS student-athletes, BYU is not the end-all for them, and we’ve seen that. I don’t think that people from BYU or members of the church should be offended by that, and certainly not the football coaches.” This is true — with one caveat.
Historically, given an illustrious tradition at the position, BYU does not often fail to secure top-ranked quarterbacks. While they may not match the hype — as was the case with Ben Olson, Jake Heaps and to-date Tanner Mangum — BYU usually attracts the best LDS quarterbacks. “I would put up BYU against anyone as a wonderful place to come to go to school, to represent their family and faith, to play sports at the highest level,” said former BYU tight end and current athletic administrator Chad Lewis.

Apparently, McKee’s interest in BYU dropped after Sitake fired offensive coordinator Ty Detmer. To be fair, new coordinator Jeff Grimes and his staff of new assistant coaches didn't have enough time to develop a strong relationship with McKee, as they are now doing with Jacob Conover, a star quarterback in Arizona who is also LDS in the Class of 2019. McKee understands the transient nature of the coaching profession, telling Bleacher Report: “Coaches are huge, but they bounce around. Even college programs, in general, are up and down. You have to judge it all together — the program, the coaches and players — to make a decision, and you have to envision being there for four years.”

For now, anyway, McKee doesn’t see himself being at BYU.


https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46250280&nid=294

[Iceaxe]

"Built Not Born" is the motto coined to save BYU football from obscurity.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865698144/BYU-football-players-hope-new-motto-helps-team-survive-grind-of-the-offseason.html

[accadacca]

"Built Not Born" is the motto coined to save BYU football from obscurity.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865698144/BYU-football-players-hope-new-motto-helps-team-survive-grind-of-the-offseason.html

I think the one thing they’ve already achieved is obscurity.

[accadacca]

BYU looking to decide on a starting QB within first 2 weeks of fall camp

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Senior Tanner Mangum, junior Beau Hoge, sophomore Joe Critchlow and freshman Zach Wilson are among those who are vying for the job.

Best comment:

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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900025464/byu-looking-to-decide-on-a-starting-qb-within-first-2-weeks-of-fall-camp.html

[Scott Card]

I think the one thing they’ve already achieved is obscurity. I respectfully disagree (shocking, I know). BYU still is a national brand with a great following across the planet. BYU travels as well as any team and better than the vast majority of teams.

[Iceaxe]

So exactly how old is Tanner Mangum? I just saw him on the local news and he looked to be at least 40. It probably didn't help that he is sporting a 70's porn-stache.

[Scott Card]

So exactly how old is Tanner Mangum? I just saw him on the local news and he looked to be at least 40. It probably didn't help that he is sporting a 70's porn-stache.39 maybe but not 40. :haha:

[Iceaxe]

BYU's quarterback pick is in: Tanner Mangum sits atop depth chart
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46380966&nid=294

Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

How many games do they win?

[rockgremlin]

How many games do they win?

Six.

[accadacca]

What will the score be in Tempe tonight?

[accadacca]

Couple donuts so far.

Bueller...

Crickets...

[accadacca]

Starting to take Zona out to the woodshed.

Cougar fans starting to buy national championship tickets.

[rockgremlin]

So much for Khalil Tate's triumphant return.

Mangum didn't look outstanding either. The Wildcats couldn't find an answer for Canada tonight.

[accadacca]

It took the Cougars 12 quarters to score 28 points last season.

Zona’s run defense was horrible. Moss should have a field day.

[rockgremlin]

In spite of their offensive woes, BYU has had some really good running backs. Jamaal Williams ran riot last year, breaking university records along the way.

[accadacca]

Score today? Any chance at all?

[accadacca]

Hanging tough.

[Iceaxe]

24 BYU
21 Wisconsin

FINAL

[Scott Card]

24 BYU
21 Wisconsin

FINAL:2thumbs:

[rockgremlin]

Who saw that coming?

#nobody

Shocking win for the Cougs today. If they play like that against Utah the Utes will likely lose.

[accadacca]

Google searches in Provo for “national championship tickets” just skyrocketed.

[rockgremlin]

If Utah can't work out their offensive struggles the Holy War will tilt to BYU's favor this year. Utah looking completely average this year so far.

[Iceaxe]

BYU slides into AP Top 25 for first time since 2015

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46391858&nid=294

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_S5709G7Ek&app=desktop&persist_app=1

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HYANTKAHPU&app=desktop

[accadacca]

Early on, but the Cougs getting pushed around by McNeese State.

[rockgremlin]

BYU by 27 points over McNeese State.

A quality win. :mrgreen:

[accadacca]

Yeah I only watched until the half. It was 3-0 two minutes into the 2nd quarter. McNeese had a couple chances, but couldn’t punch it in. Then they got sloppy and BYU scored 3 TD’s, so I turned it off and mowed my lawn.

Looks like BYU moved to #20 in the AP and still not ranked in the coaches.

[Iceaxe]

Yeah I only watched until the half.

I'm guessing there will be no need to watch next Saturday's BYU game past halftime either... LOL...



Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

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[rockgremlin]

Should be no surprises in this game. I expect the Huskies to be up for this one. BYU might be heading into this game with a certain degree of overconfidence as well.

Huskies 45
BYU 13

[gholt]

14-41 wu

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[Iceaxe]

Ouch!!! BYU is getting beat like a redheaded step child...

Oooovvvveeerrrrrraaaattttteeeeddd

[accadacca]

Well, they got waxed on this one. I thought it would be slightly more competitive. They ended up scoring in garbage time with :41 seconds left to avoid the 5 touchdown shutout.

[Iceaxe]

BYU visits the top 25, enjoys a cup of coffee, and quickly disappears...

Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

Maybe it wasn’t Ty’s fault...the cupboard was bare.

[rockgremlin]

Looks like the Aggies will go home with the Wagon Wheel this year. BYU getting clobbered at LES.

[accadacca]

Looks like the Aggies will go home with the Wagon Wheel this year. BYU getting clobbered at LES.

They will keep it.

[accadacca]

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[accadacca]

Back to Back

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[Iceaxe]

Ouch... that's a major beat down.

Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

I’m hearing that QB Zach Wilson may get the start this week. Desperation? Magnum hasn’t been great, but they got dismantled by USU across the board.

[Iceaxe]

I thought Ty Detmer was the problem?!?

Mangum is not the problem.... Detmer was not the problem.

I said it before and I'll say it again... BYU will never again be a powerhouse so long as they are an independent.

Climb-Utah.com

[rockgremlin]

Mangum benched and Wilson to start against Hawaii in homecoming game.

Wonder how Mangum feels about that. There was a lot of hype surrounding him at the start of the season...

[accadacca]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181014/ac029c8a66d4921b52c0c15eb6a29906.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Remember what Lavell Edwards always said "The most popular guy in Provo is always the backup QB".

So who believes the problem was Mangum, and now all is right in Cougar Town?

Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

Remember what Lavell Edwards always said "The most popular guy in Provo is always the backup QB".

So who believes the problem was Mangum, and now all is right in Cougar Town?

Climb-Utah.com

Hard to say, but he looked pretty dang good against Hawaii...whatever that’s worth. Hawaii was 6-1 with a few decent wins.

Magnum kinda got the short end of the stick because now they play a bunch of scrubs. Except Boise and Utah. Both on the road.

[Iceaxe]

So the problem wasn't Mangum, who would have ever guessed....

That being said Wilson looks good and has a much higher ceiling than Mangum. Not to mention you get Wilson for the next 3 years so might as well get him game experience as that's one of the few positives the Cougars can salvage from this season.

Wilson is going to be a good D1 QB barring injuries.

Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

It’s officially a “rebuilding year...”

[Iceaxe]

It’s officially a “rebuilding year...”

Until BYU joins a conference every year is going to be a rebuilding year.

[gholt]

Until BYU joins a conference every year is going to be a rebuilding year.This

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[Iceaxe]

I hear it tastes like chicken....
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Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

Gotta be one of the worst weekends on record to be a BYU Football fan.

[rockgremlin]

Gotta be one of the worst weekends on record to be a BYU Football fan.


They've got two more losses headed their way -- one to Boise State in Idaho this weekend, and the other one to the Utes in RES at season's end. Between those two losses they have gimme wins against UMass (3-6) and New Mexico State (2-7).

Should end the season with a 6-6 record. Last season they ended with a record of 4-9. How long will Sitake last?

[gholt]

They've got two more losses headed their way -- one to Boise State in Idaho this weekend, and the other one to the Utes in RES at season's end. Between those two losses they have gimme wins against UMass (3-6) and New Mexico State (2-7).

Should end the season with a 6-6 record. Last season they ended with a record of 4-9. How long will Sitake last?

Who else would want that Job?????

Head coach with no conference. Hard to recruit.

[uintafly]

Who else would want that Job?????

Head coach with no conference. Hard to recruit.

Not to mention their delusional and impossible to please fan base. A good chunk byu fans wanted Bronco out for years. Because 8-11 wins every season was just not good enough for such a national powerhouse. :roll:

Oh and the crappy pay.

[accadacca]

Not to mention their delusional and impossible to please fan base. A good chunk byu fans wanted Bronco out for years. Because 8-11 wins every season was just not good enough for such a national powerhouse. :roll:

Oh and the crappy pay.

He has more than doubled his salary and put Virginia #23 in the top 25 in his 3rd year.

[uintafly]

He has more than doubled his salary and put Virginia #23 in the top 25 in his 3rd year.

And if you look at their schedule they have a legit shot at 10-2, before probably getting steamrolled by Clemson in the ACC Championship Game.

[accadacca]

From BYU's Mike Shelton: "I like playing at home but sometimes our fans can be a downer & it brings us down. But I think we feed off of the energy when we play away."

When asked a follow-up question on the issue about embracing being the “hated team or opponent,” he said “That’s what I mean by feeding off the energy at away stadiums. It gives us something to look forward to whereas when we’re at home, I mean, we don’t get many cheers and we don’t get many boos, so it’s like what are you really playing for?”

http://www.1280thezone.com/byu-prefers-playing-on-the-road-due-to-indifferent-home-crowd-according-to-michael-shelton/

[Iceaxe]

^^^^For a number of years the Delta Center/Energy Solution Arena was called `The Mausoleum' by NBA players around the league because Jazz fans were so quiet, well mannered, and polite compared to all the others cities they played in.


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[accadacca]

Boise is favored by 13 at the moment.

Who you got? Score?

[rockgremlin]

BSU by a lot.

Broncos 38

Kitties 13

[Iceaxe]

I'll take Boise and give the points.

Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

Fred Warner (BYU rookie linebacker for the 49ers) is putting on a clinic vs the Giants on MNF.

[Iceaxe]

So the MWC has two teams ranked in the top 25, one of which still has an outside shot at a NY6 bowl game... this is the conference BYU owned as a member.

Meanwhile... BYU has to beat New Mexico State High School this weekend to become bowl eligible and a chance to play in the Who Gives A Crap Bowl...

BYU please join a conference!!! This will not end so long as you remain Independent.

/End Rant

Climb-Utah.com

[accadacca]

So the MWC has two teams ranked in the top 25, one of which still has an outside shot at a NY6 bowl game... this is the conference BYU owned as a member.

Meanwhile... BYU has to beat New Mexico State High School this weekend to become bowl eligible and a chance to play in the Who Gives A Crap Bowl...

BYU please join a conference!!! This will not end so long as you remain Independent.

/End Rant

Climb-Utah.com

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[Iceaxe]

The MWC would love to have BYU.

[uintafly]

The one thing that BYU has been good at since going independent is with scheduling good teams early in the year. The problem is they can't win them so the season is a little anticlimactic by mid September most years. The next 2 years look pretty rough though. Unless they can pull of an upset or 2 they could be staring at 0-4 and 2-6 to start the year, followed by 4 terrible teams. 2020 is a little more balanced throughout the year, but unless they really get better they will be staring at another 6 loss season.

[accadacca]

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[uintafly]

What a terrible bowl for BYU. Who wants to play in Boise in late December in front of a few dozen fans? On that hideous blue turf no less. If I was a player I'd fake an injury.

[Iceaxe]

What a terrible bowl for BYU. Who wants to play in Boise in late December in front of a few dozen fans? On that hideous blue turf no less. If I was a player I'd fake an injury.

BYU's crappy team should draw a good crowd in Boise. The lower portion of that state is as Mormon as most of Utah and has a lot of "Breed Em Young" fans.

[accadacca]

The Fry Sauce Bowl

It was crazy to see Fresno State beat Boise State on the blue turf in the snow for the championship. Wow!

[Iceaxe]

Wow... How the mighty have fallen. WMU played in the Cotton Bowl just two years ago!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181211/ae209687572a80709aa57b953a64bde3.jpg

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[accadacca]

BYU AD Tom Holmoe: Cougars 'back on track,' Kalani Sitake 'building champions culture'

For Sitake, who has one more year left on his contract, his overall record is 19-19, so his career mark as a head coach will go one way or the other Friday.

“Jumping out to a 20-0 lead at Utah,” he said. “Even though we lost the game, it proved to the players they are very close,” said Holmoe, who answered several questions about the football program from the Deseret News via email. “He’s made good progress on building a champions culture in Year 3, and I feel confident success on the field will follow.”

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900046603/byu-ad-tom-holmoe-cougars-back-on-track-kalani-sitake-building-champions-culture.html

[accadacca]

BYU AD Tom Holmoe: Cougars 'back on track,' Kalani Sitake 'building champions culture'

For Sitake, who has one more year left on his contract, his overall record is 19-19, so his career mark as a head coach will go one way or the other Friday.

“Jumping out to a 20-0 lead at Utah,” he said. “Even though we lost the game, it proved to the players they are very close,” said Holmoe, who answered several questions about the football program from the Deseret News via email. “He’s made good progress on building a champions culture in Year 3, and I feel confident success on the field will follow.”

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900046603/byu-ad-tom-holmoe-cougars-back-on-track-kalani-sitake-building-champions-culture.html

Unless Holmoe sees something different. I don't see too many wins coming up...

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[rockgremlin]

^^^My crystal ball says the Cougars start out the season 0-4, and will be lucky to get 5 wins on the season. 2019 is a tough schedule for them. 2020 is almost as bad -- 4, maybe 5 wins, tops. 2021 is looking like 3, maybe 4 wins.

Unless recruiting picks waaaaaay up (doubtful), it's not looking good.

[accadacca]

They better hope some of those teams have a rebuilding year.

[uintafly]

Today we are all Broncos.

[Scott Card]

Today we are all Broncos. "We"? Ummm, no...

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[accadacca]

The Cougs are favored by 12 1/2.

I’ll be eating taters with fry sauce during the game.

[Scott Card]

Final: BYU - 49 WMU -18

QB Zach Wilson: 18/18, 317 yards, 4 TDs. Not bad for a true freshman. Go Cougs!

[Iceaxe]

Yup... looks like Utah really screwed up taking Tuttle over Wilson.

[accadacca]

Congrats to the BYU Tigers!!! :lol8:

Watch this video...


https://twitter.com/JJSportsBeat/status/1076280977477890050

[Scott Card]

Congrats to the BYU Tigers!!! :lol8:

Watch this video...


https://twitter.com/JJSportsBeat/status/1076280977477890050

:facepalm1: It’s the hair......

[rockgremlin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du_P0jLU8AI27GE.jpg

I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.