iPhone X

[accadacca]

Let the flame fest ensue! :hail2thechief: :angryfire: :twisted: :bootyshake:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=mW6hFttt_KE

[rockgremlin]

$1000 bucks for that POS?!


Nope.


Android all day baby. That way I can have a cell phone AND avoid the guilt of taking bread out of my kids mouth's just so that I can look trendy.

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=175&v=WYYvHb03Eog

[rockgremlin]

Check out Acca's new outfit:


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[Iceaxe]

I don't use an iPhone, I pee standing up.

[BruteForce]

No iPhone(s) for me, EVER - but my youngest did ask for it! :roll:

[Scott P]

I don't have an iPhone, but I am curious to hear what's wrong with it.

I was thinking of getting an iPhone next time because you can make free international calls worldwide if there is a 3G or 4G signal (which is getting much more common even in undeveloped countries).

I can do it through Facebook Messenger on my Samsung, but only to someone who is on Facebook and only with WiFi.

My employer pays for my cell phone (any one I want) and all charges, minus international calls, so getting them for free would be nice.

Is there any reason not to go with the iPhone?

[rockgremlin]

I don't have an iPhone, but I am curious to hear what's wrong with it.

I was thinking of getting an iPhone next time because you can make free international calls worldwide if there is a 3G or 4G signal (which is getting much more common even in undeveloped countries).

I can do it through Facebook Messenger on my Samsung, but only to someone who is on Facebook and only with WiFi.

My employer pays for my cell phone (any one I want) and all charges, minus international calls, so getting them for free would be nice.

Is there any reason not to go with the iPhone?


1. Let's start with price. The new iPhone cost a cool grand ~ yep $999.00 bucks. Seriously? Who's got that kind of money?

2. Ever tried to switch/repair a battery in an iPhone? It's impossible. You have to send it off to the manufacturer and have their exclusive Apple techs work on it -- that's all a cost that is born by the consumer. Have you checked into repair costs for Apple phones lately? It's insane. Android battery switches are a breeze - and dirt cheap.

3. Having an iPhone has surpassed just having a phone ~ it's now a culture. Many iPhone iFans will stand in long lines to drop ungodly amounts of cash on the newest iPhone -- not because they need it, but because they just have to look trendy with the latest Apple product. No thanks.

4. Proprietary software & hardware -- Apple intentionally makes all of their iProducts not friendly to any other device or platform. Anything you purchase on the iTunes store may only be played via Apple products. Apple devices may only be charged with Apple approved chargers, with Apple approved charging cords. I don't believe in that nonsense.

It's interesting -- my tech savvy 16 year old has recently made the switch from iPhone to Android. His first phone was an iPhone and he was caught up in all of the hype. But now he's singing a different tune. He's sick of the ridiculous culture surrounding the iPhone. Apple -- it's not so much a company as it is a cult.

[accadacca]

Let me answer with some facts...


1. Let's start with price. The new iPhone cost a cool grand ~ yep $999.00 bucks. Seriously? Who's got that kind of money?

You don't have to buy the X, there are several options.

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2. Ever tried to switch/repair a battery in an iPhone? It's impossible. You have to send it off to the manufacturer and have their exclusive Apple techs work on it -- that's all a cost that is born by the consumer. Have you checked into repair costs for Apple phones lately? It's insane. Android battery switches are a breeze - and dirt cheap.

I have repaired several different iPhone models at home. It is not that difficult. Battery replacement is the easiest. I have lost count on the number of screens I have replaced. Have you heard of YouTube? There are hundreds of videos on how to do it.

If you are in a pinch you can use a 3rd party repair shop or an individual on KSL classifieds. I have used both. You don't have to go through Apple.

3. Having an iPhone has surpassed just having a phone ~ it's now a culture. Many iPhone iFans will stand in long lines to drop ungodly amounts of cash on the newest iPhone -- not because they need it, but because they just have to look trendy with the latest Apple product. No thanks.

To each his own. There are Android fan boys as well.

4. Proprietary software & hardware -- Apple intentionally makes all of their iProducts not friendly to any other device or platform. Anything you purchase on the iTunes store may only be played via Apple products. Apple devices may only be charged with Apple approved chargers, with Apple approved charging cords. I don't believe in that nonsense.

I buy all my iPhone chargers on Amazon. They have their own house brand and they work great.

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Two-Port-USB-Charger-Compatible-Samsung/dp/B01F2PWA5K/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505320172&sr=8-2&keywords=iphone+charger+amazon

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Apple-Certified-Lightning-Cable/dp/B010S9N6OO/ref=pd_sim_107_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=8CSM5HC7HF4HCFEYEQH9

It's interesting -- my tech savvy 16 year old has recently made the switch from iPhone to Android. His first phone was an iPhone and he was caught up in all of the hype. But now he's singing a different tune. He's sick of the ridiculous culture surrounding the iPhone. Apple -- it's not so much a company as it is a cult.

[Iceaxe]

Both my daughters switched to iPhone 7's from Android (Samsung S3) because their work would pay for the phones if they were Apple. Both daughters are constantly bitching about not having their Androids which they liked a lot better. I'll have to ask them what they liked better about Android. I do know the camera in their iPhone sucks compared to the one in my Samsung S7.

Now a good story.... My brother is an iPhone Fanboi (See Accadacca's picture). Anyhoo.... when my mother decided she was finally going to get a smartphone she asked my brother and I if she should get an Apple or Android. Instantly my brother launches into the iPhone Fanboi speech that is embedded in the brain of iPhone users about how great they are. I was tempted to argue the point but a light went on in my head and I simply replied "yup, the iPhone is probably best for you mom", Now the great part.... My 78 y/o mother is constantly calling my brother to ask him iPhone questions and how do you do this or why does my phone do that questions. My brother is constantly bitching my mother is bugging the crap out of him with smartphone questions.

:roflol:

#BulletDodged

[gholt]

Pricey, but to each their own. I like the android open architecture though. Wow people actually pay their own cash for that phone.

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[tallsteve]

I love my Samsung Galaxy S7 (the camera rocks!) and Android but, my company pays for my phone and cellular bill and our company is all Android. I don't really care what others use but, I really hate the snootiness from the iPhone users and my experience is there are far more snooty Apple users than snooty Android users. About a year ago I was up in the mountains or somewhere and a group asked me to take their photo. The dude hands me his iPhone. I stated that I have an Android and I wasn't sure how to snap the photo. Several of the iPhone fanboys said, pretty much in unison, "Well, there's your problem then". I'm a pretty laid-back, easy going and like-able guy (so I'm told) but, that ticked me off so, I basically said, you know what? If you're going to make fun of me because I don't have an iPhone then you can figure out out how to take your own photo. I set the phone down on the ground and walked off. I'm sure they thought I was a jerk but, I just didn't care.

[devo_stevo]

I've got a iPhone 5S. I've had it for 2 1/2 years and I like it. It works like it should. The battery life is great for me. It's been a solid, reliable phone. the camera does suck though. That's the biggest drawback to it in my mind.

When I replace it, I'll likely get another iPhone. I like the looks of the 8. I might go for that. It'll be a while though. I've got to wear out the current one.

All that being said. I don't really see a big difference between the two. It's all down to preference and what works for you.

[accadacca]

I've had all the iPhone models and I get lots of compliments on my photos. If you have a newer model phone and you cant take a good photo, then it may not be the phone. :lol8:

I'm the resident computer help desk with my family and I have had them buy all Apple products. I have found that I get FAR LESS calls then I used to when they had Windows and I can easily answer the questions when they arise. Win-Win for me. :cool2:

[rockgremlin]

I love my Samsung Galaxy S7 (the camera rocks!) and Android but, my company pays for my phone and cellular bill and our company is all Android. I don't really care what others use but, I really hate the snootiness from the iPhone users and my experience is there are far more snooty Apple users than snooty Android users. About a year ago I was up in the mountains or somewhere and a group asked me to take their photo. The dude hands me his iPhone. I stated that I have an Android and I wasn't sure how to snap the photo. Several of the iPhone fanboys said, pretty much in unison, "Well, there's your problem then". I'm a pretty laid-back, easy going and like-able guy (so I'm told) but, that ticked me off so, I basically said, you know what? If you're going to make fun of me because I don't have an iPhone then you can figure out out how to take your own photo. I set the phone down on the ground and walked off. I'm sure they thought I was a jerk but, I just didn't care.

I would've taken a picture of my crotch and then launched it into the weeds

[Iceaxe]

I've had all the iPhone models and I get lots of compliments on my photos. If you have a newer model phone and you cant take a good photo, then it may not be the phone. :lol8:

I'm the resident computer help desk with my family and I have had them buy all Apple products. I have found that I get FAR LESS calls then I used to when they had Windows and I can easily answer the questions when they arise. Win-Win for me. :cool2:

The Samsung S7 and S8 camera puts the iPhone 8's camera to shame, it's not even close, that is just a fact. The biggest difference is the quality of photo's and video in low light. I'm not saying the iPhone has a crappy camera, just saying it's not near the quality of the Samsung.

And YES, if you are the computer geek for the entire family I can understand you wanting them on iPhones as it would make your life much easier. But the latest Samsung Androids have really closed the gap with regards to software problems. Apples walled garden approach to software is both it's strength and weakness, great for the noob, sucks for a power user. I really don't know much about the other manufactures Android phones as I've only used Samsung. My kids had LG phones for a while and they were not nearly as good as the Samsung phones in numerous areas.

[accadacca]

Ozzy Man Reviews iPhone X


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUl1PfQktbs

[double moo]

Pre ordered my new 8 today... my old 5 has been more than rock solid with no reason to upgrade other then the deal they offered. Piad $650 two years ago for the 5 - they offered $630 for the trade in/trade up! That's less than a buck a month in depreciation... little buggers really held their value. New one should be even better!

[jman]

At my current company I help manage the cell phones for our 4000+ employees. We have over 1300 cell phones for our employees. Over 1100 are iPhones and the remaining are on Samsung phones (S5 to S7).

I can say that we have far more problems with Samsung phones than with iPhones. Even those 200 users are what we call our "problem child". Samsung enterprise support SUCKS! iPhone on the other hand...soo easy.

And when it comes to physical support (like if someone breaks the screen, bends it, whatever), I can drive down to the Apple Store at City Creek and have it fixed within an hour.

Samsung phones? Well, first, there is no official Samsung stores in Salt Lake that fixes phones! Sure, there is the "kiosk" in a Best Busy for Samsung phones, but guess what they do - ship off your phone and give you a loaner phone for a few days. Ooohh..special! Even for a simple screen replacement, they ship it off to a repair facility. Or you could take it to "Bad Apple" or another 3rd party store and have them replace the glass. But guess how much they charge for a broken S7 screen...$299! We repaired one a month ago and had to wait 3 days for the "warehouse" to get more inventory before the repair even happened.

If I take a iPhone 7 broken screen without AppleCare (which is an extended warranty) to the Apple Store, guess how much it would cost to repair it? $139. With AppleCare? $29. Then on top of it, if Bad Apple replaces the glass on the Samsung S7, then that warranty is completely gone. Even if it was a day old phone. (Same goes with iPhone repairs though).

If Apple fixes the broken screen, then they still ensure that warranty. That's really good support.

Say what you want about Apple, but Apple's support is by far unbeatable. Hands down.
Samsung support? Good luck finding someone, spend more, and have fun waiting a few extra days...

:bootyshake:

[jon.moab]

The Samsung S7 and S8 camera puts the iPhone 8's camera to shame, it's not even close, that is just a fact. The biggest difference is the quality of photo's and video in low light. I'm not saying the iPhone has a crappy camera, just saying it's not near the quality of the Samsung.

And YES, if you are the computer geek for the entire family I can understand you wanting them on iPhones as it would make your life much easier. But the latest Samsung Androids have really closed the gap with regards to software problems. Apples walled garden approach to software is both it's strength and weakness, great for the noob, sucks for a power user. I really don't know much about the other manufactures Android phones as I've only used Samsung. My kids had LG phones for a while and they were not nearly as good as the Samsung phones in numerous areas.

How can you make this claim when no one has had a chance to hold an iPhone 8, much less compare photo quality to the s7 or s8? Seems to be the similar argument made about the elite nature of iPhone user, albeit in reverse.


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[Iceaxe]

Ment to type iPhone 7 and not 8, my bad. I have no clue about the camera in the 8.

[Scott P]

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[rockgremlin]

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Looking trendy can get expensive.

[Iceaxe]

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[Sombeech]

Does the camera STILL protrude out of the body, asking to get scratched up? This goes for most manufacturers too, so ridiculous that you need to buy a case or your camera is going to get all scratched up by setting it down.

[kafene]

$1000 bucks for that POS?!


Nope.


Android all day baby. That way I can have a cell phone AND avoid the guilt of taking bread out of my kids mouth's just so that I can look trendy.

I love Apple and the integration. I have a gaming PC I built just for gaming, but otherwise, everything else is Apple. But just to point out, I don't need to look trendy and my kids aren't hungry. [emoji57] You should be guilty if you spent $50 on an Android phone & taking bread out of your kid's mouth. [emoji12] Cost of things are very relative to what you make. [emoji51]


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[rockgremlin]

^^^I'm flattered that you created an account just so that you could come on here and assure me that you're in no way trendy. :haha:

[Iceaxe]

Creating an account just to defend Apple.... That has to be the exact definition of a Fanboi.

[oldno7]

,,,

[Sombeech]

I love Apple and the integration....


^^^I'm flattered that you created an account just so that you could come on here and assure me that you're in no way trendy. :haha:


Creating an account just to defend Apple.... That has to be the exact definition of a Fanboi.

But, the account was set up in 2013, and then waiting, saving the posts, until this opportune moment! That's dedication. Welcome kafene !

[rockgremlin]

But, the account was set up in 2013, and then waiting, saving the posts, until this opportune moment! That's dedication. Welcome @kafene (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=22694) !

Which is even more interesting. Assuming he has been reading posts on this site for the last 4 years, nothing compelled him to come out of lurking to make a public contribution on this forum.....until Apple started getting dragged through the mud.

[qedcook]

Now you've scared him/her away, and they'll never want to post again....

[accadacca]

Great first post @kafene (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=22694) :cool2:

These Android fanboys have a hard time taking their own medicine. :lol8:

[phatch]

Do you like to know what your device is doing and how you can change that? Then go Android, otherwise, go Apple.

Is money your primary concern, then there are infinitely more inexpensive yet capable choices in the Android market.

Phones and software have become data collection/privacy violation tools. Apple seems to be giving more control to the user by default in their last few releases. Their web browser has better privacy and ad blocking options though they aren't necessarily enabled by default. Third party browsers like Firefox in Android give you more privacy than Chrome. You can enable more control in Android and extend privacy and security, but you need some nerd ability or help to do so.

Social Media is not your friend if you like privacy and ad blocking.

[uintafly]

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That's not a fair choice. I have eaten at Cracker Barrel so I know neither of those choices can be seen as smart! :naughty:

By the way, in the old days did people argue over who had the best landline phone?

[accadacca]

That's not a fair choice. I have eaten at Cracker Barrel so I know neither of those choices can be seen as smart! :naughty:

By the way, in the old days did people argue over who had the best landline phone?
Yeah and its not just a "Phone" you grumpy old men. Its a pocket computer with a phone that gets used 10% of the time. :haha:

[kafene]

^^^I'm flattered that you created an account just so that you could come on here and assure me that you're in no way trendy. :haha:

[emoji28] Actually, I didn't even know what site I was posting to. It just came up on TapaTalk so I replied. I use Apple products because it works for me. I'm not a fan of Apple as much as I am a fan of things that work well for my needs.

Always funny to see people talk about the virtues of what they think is the "best" product when these companies don't really care about what you think as long as you buy their products. Apple will sell me out in a heart beat if they thought they could make way more money somewhere else and so would SamSung or Android, or whoever. All they care about is market penetration.

Regarding the people arguing about what device takes the best photos, concentrate more on what memory your capturing. 20 years from now, I can pretty much tell you nobody is gonna give a crap about what device took the photo, and most people would probably feel embarrassed that they even posted arguments about it. By that time, the best camera out right now is probably gonna look like junk compared to what your 12 y.o. grandchild is gonna be using. [emoji51]


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[rockgremlin]

[emoji28] Actually, I didn't even know what site I was posting to. It just came up on TapaTalk so I replied. I use Apple products because it works for me. I'm not a fan of Apple as much as I am a fan of things that work well for my needs.

Always funny to see people talk about the virtues of what they think is the "best" product when these companies don't really care about what you think as long as you buy their products. Apple will sell me out in a heart beat if they thought they could make way more money somewhere else and so would SamSung or Android, or whoever. All they care about is market penetration.

Regarding the people arguing about what device takes the best photos, concentrate more on what memory your capturing. 20 years from now, I can pretty much tell you nobody is gonna give a crap about what device took the photo, and most people would probably feel embarrassed that they even posted arguments about it. By that time, the best camera out right now is probably gonna look like junk compared to what your 12 y.o. grandchild is gonna be using. [emoji51]


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I cannot refute any of these valid points.

[rockgremlin]

Hey guys! I just got an iPhone!! And it's everything the fanbois promised, and more!!

















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[jon.moab]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170927/657919188fa3693ef338fe4c44939294.jpg

I am pretty sure my new 8 iPhone Plusssssss could do more than any of your Android phones. Just saying. All things are not equal!


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[DiscGo]

https://cdn.dopl3r.com/memes_files/the-all-new-iphone-x-home-button-only-199-xTrlx.jpg

[DiscGo]

I don't have an iPhone, but I am curious to hear what's wrong with it.

There are a few things wrong with it. Most notably the removal of the "Home Button". Having a home button is very convenient but Apple supposedly got rid of to "better waterproof your phone" and because you wouldn't need it anymore to unlock your phone due to the camera unlock. The camera unlock is something that Samsung has had for about 5 years but it is not used very often because it isn't secure and it doesn't work in the dark. If you care about privacy at all, you should not use that methodology it is slightly better than no password at all. You have a Constitutional right to the content on your camera and the police can't make you unlock your phone (at least not without a warrant). If all they have to do is hold the phone to your face, you now have no password.

If you look at most Android phones now, the home button is in the back (which is arguably more convenient) because it is where your naturally resides and it does not take up screen space.
https://i.imgur.com/oizCmeT.png


Additionally, we have now found out that iOS 11 is causing up to a 60% percent battery usage reduction in other iPhones because iOS 11 is optimized for Apple's new chip (https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2017/09/24/apple-ios-11-problem-battery-problems-iphone-ipad/#4dd718ec4fdf). Apparently Apple is working on a fix but the days of "It just works" are long over and most people have not realized it.


Another issue with it is the trend Apple is now in of removing features (3.5mm jack on the last phone and now the Home Button on this phone) and charging you more money. At a certain point, The Onion's video about the Macbook Wheel becomes less and less like satire :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA)

The price is another issue. It isn't that $1000 is too much for a small computer that you can bring everywhere, it is that it is difficult justifying such a premium for a device that is not bringing any out new features and just starting to catch up to 2 year old android phones.

[DiscGo]

My family used to be huge Apple Sheep. They told me for years that I needed to get an iPhone. One of my clients contractually obligated me to use an iPhone and a Macbook for 1 year. I called my Dad and my brothers and asked them what I needed to make my iPhone great and they recommended the same apps and features that were on Android. I do IT for a living and ultimately I found the iPhone incompatible with my job, so I negotiated with my client to use an iPad instead of an iPhone and went back to Android. Most of my siblings now have Android and are much happier than they were previously with iPhones.

That said, I really don't have an issue with Apple charging $1000 for their phone. I am just sharing my opinion that Apple's days of "Think Differently" appear to have been replaced with "Think two models back from your competitor" and it has been a long time since we have seen any real innovation out of Apple. Look at the latest "Macbook". The biggest innovation was the reduction of USB ports and the consolidation of USB-C and Power into the single port. I feel like having to carry a bunch of adapters to have what you want, or having to learn to get by with less than you want isn't a great long-term strategy.
https://ryanscomputers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/0/2098_9074_vv.jpg

[rockgremlin]

^^^All of these arguments fall on deaf ears to the average iPhone user. Most people don't know what half of these terms even mean. All they know is if it's an Apple product, it MUST be superior, because...hey...it's Apple!! Your experience mirrors my own - family members singing Apple's praises and then a few years go by and they backpedal.

From my experience, if you want to look kewl downloading images to Facebook and Snapchat, get an iPhone. If you want a phone that can actually do something more than that, get an Android. As an example, I work in an industry that is heavily populated with engineers and IT specialists. Almost everyone has Android phones. When someone busts out an iPhone jokes are made about whether or not they borrowed their teenage daughter's phone that day.

[jman]

If you want a phone that can actually do something more than that, get an Android. As an example, I work in an industry that is heavily populated with engineers and IT specialists. Almost everyone has Android phones. When someone busts out an iPhone jokes are made about whether or not they borrowed their teenage daughter's phone that day.

The devil is in the details.

Curious - can you provide with specifics of the “want a phone that can actually something more than that, than get an Android” claim?





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[jman]

My family used to be huge Apple Sheep. They told me for years that I needed to get an iPhone. One of my clients contractually obligated me to use an iPhone and a Macbook for 1 year. I called my Dad and my brothers and asked them what I needed to make my iPhone great and they recommended the same apps and features that were on Android. I do IT for a living and ultimately I found the iPhone incompatible with my job, so I negotiated with my client to use an iPad instead of an iPhone and went back to Android. Most of my siblings now have Android and are much happier than they were previously with iPhones.

That said, I really don't have an issue with Apple charging $1000 for their phone. I am just sharing my opinion that Apple's days of "Think Differently" appear to have been replaced with "Think two models back from your competitor" and it has been a long time since we have seen any real innovation out of Apple. Look at the latest "Macbook". The biggest innovation was the reduction of USB ports and the consolidation of USB-C and Power into the single port. I feel like having to carry a bunch of adapters to have what you want, or having to learn to get by with less than you want isn't a great long-term strategy.
https://ryanscomputers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/0/2098_9074_vv.jpg

I have some employees at work here that have each independly said that they would “quit their job if they had to use a an Apple phone”. Hopefully you don’t fall into that same Android “sheep” mentality. :bootyshake:

And your point is valid about the adapter, but those are talking points and not reality.

But that is that logic true? More ports = better? Fewer ports = worse? Or fewer ports = better?

Android sheep bashed Apple for removing the headphone jack. Reality is, a year later, most Apple users find it a non-issue, and at worst, an inconvenience.

It was a ‘risk’ removing it sure, but now everyone will be following suit and a decade from now, it will be a thing of the past. It really will. Bluetooth 5.0, to start, among other similar technologies is replacing this.

But the point, Android sheep, use that argument against Apple users. Which is funny. Most Apple users don’t care.

And just for fuel for the fire, did you know that the iPhone 8 can export a 4K 2minute video in 40 seconds versus a Samsung Galaxy S8 at 4+ minutes? That’s hella fast.

And exporting a 4K 40min video took the iPhone 8 a smooth 4mins and the Samsung Galaxy S8 took 40+ minutes. Quite the difference don’t you think?





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[Sombeech]

And just for fuel for the fire, did you know that the iPhone 8 can export a 4K 2minute video in 40 seconds versus a Samsung Galaxy S8 at 4+ minutes? That’s hella fast.

And exporting a 4K 40min video took the iPhone 8 a smooth 4mins and the Samsung Galaxy S8 took 40+ minutes. Quite the difference don’t you think?


What was the export method, was just via cable or was it transferring over WiFi?

[jman]

What was the export method, was just via cable or was it transferring over WiFi?

Https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-8-benchmarks-fastest-phone,review-4676.html

It doesn’t mention specifically, but I am assuming that it’s the, for lack of better word, ‘preparation’ of the video before it sends it.

I don’t think they are testing the ‘transfer’ of the video.




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[Iceaxe]

The devil is in the details.

Curious - can you provide with specifics of the “want a phone that can actually something more than that, than get an Android” claim?





Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI can answer that.... I have about a dozen apps I've written for my own personal use, on my job and on our race cars. I write the apps and load them on my Android, and you can't do that with an iPhone.

[accadacca]

I can answer that.... I have about a dozen apps I've written for my own personal use, on my job and on our race cars. I write the apps and load them on my Android, and you can't do that with an iPhone.
A dozen apps! You should go into app development. That is part of my job, wrangling phone apps.

Curious what apps you have developed?

[accadacca]

If you want a phone that can actually do something more than that, get an Android. As an example, I work in an industry that is heavily populated with engineers and IT specialists. Almost everyone has Android phones. When someone busts out an iPhone jokes are made about whether or not they borrowed their teenage daughter's phone that day.


The devil is in the details.

Curious - can you provide with specifics of the “want a phone that can actually something more than that, than get an Android” claim?





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Ditto. Please elaborate.

[Iceaxe]

A dozen apps! You should go into app development. That is part of my job, wrangling phone apps.

Curious what apps you have developed?Hahaha... if I told you that you could simply copy the app, if you are actually writing apps then you know the money is in the idea, once you have a winning concept implementing the idea is relatively simple.

Several years ago I did publish several of my apps to the Android app store. I may or may not eventually update those and perhaps publish some of my others. At the moment my time is better spent on my real job as I can make a lot more money engineering structural projects then I can writing apps.

[DiscGo]

@jman (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=333) & @accadacca (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=3) -

Can you provide with specifics of the “want a phone that can actually something more than that, than get an Android” claim?

File Storage
By default (without 3rd party applications) you can use an android phone as a USB drive. So I can download a network driver for a computer and plug my phone into a computer with a USB cable and transfer the files right over (no need for iTunes). I can also share files with you more easily as a result.


Advanced App Permissions:
Android allows you to control what permissions you give developers which allow for increased functionality of cross-platform apps on Android.

Example: There is a popular App among Mormons called "LDSTools". This App is a directory of everyone who lives in your local congregation. On Android, you can give it access to your caller-ID which allows you to know who is calling (even if the person is not in your personal "Contacts" list) but Apple does not give you the ability to allow this convenient feature on your own device.


App Store:
Apple confines you to their App Store to ensure they get a piece of the money everytime. Android allows you to enable the usage of 3rd party App Stores. There are certain Apps that I use every week (at least monthly) in my job that are not available on Google's or Apple's App Store.


Etc.
Then there are all the other little things we have been telling you for years. Our ability to customize our phone to look however we want (adjusting themes, widget sizes, increased Widget rights, etc. Plus the ability to buy the phone we want.


Example: Some manufacturers have decided to try and follow Apple's lead and drop the 3.5mm port. But we can buy the phone which has the specs we want and have a lot more options. In the past, Apple claimed that by having all of their screens being the same sized allowed for better uniformity in App development. Android developers have gotten really good at reflexive programming while Apple is still in the mindset of programming their devices for the singularity (which is why they release an update that optimizes iOS for the newest phones without regard to the impact on 90+% of the other iOS devices).

I feel like iPhones seem to last longer than Android phones. You still see iPhone4s in the wild and you don't see a lot of 6 year old Android phones in use anymore. So I'm not saying that iPhones don't have their place or that they do nothing right. I'm just saying that you can't claim that iPhones have capabilities over Android but the reverse is true.

[DiscGo]

P.S. Confession: I have been erroneously calling the new iPhone the "iPhone X" instead of "iPhone 10". Now that I know that it isn't pronounced iPhone X, I am more confused about why Apple didn't call it the iPhone 9???

[Iceaxe]

P.S. Confession: I have been erroneously calling the new iPhone the "iPhone X" instead of "iPhone 10". Now that I know that it isn't pronounced iPhone X, I am more confused about why Apple didn't call it the iPhone 9???

Windows skipped 9 and jumped to 10, it's what all the cool kids are doing. If nothing else owning an iPhone is all about being one of the cool kids ;-)

[rockgremlin]

Ditto. Please elaborate.

At my last job I was the lead surveyor. Much of that was done on the ground with gps, and every quarter we would have a flyover survey completed to assess total disturbance and reconcile volumes. That flyover was completed by a third party by a guy who compiled all of the data and transferred it to me via his smartphone. I'm not sure what kind of phone he had, but he warned me those files wouldn't open with an iPhone.

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha.... Samsung makes $110 for every iPhone X sold. It must really suck to have to buy the latest technology from your biggest competitor.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apple-rival-samsung-also-wins-if-iphone-x-is-a-hit-1506936602?mod=e2fb

[accadacca]

Hahaha.... Samsung makes $110 for every iPhone X sold. It must really suck to have to buy the latest technology from your biggest competitor.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apple-rival-samsung-also-wins-if-iphone-x-is-a-hit-1506936602?mod=e2fb
I'm sure Apple is ok with Samsung cleaning up the table scraps.

[double moo]

scraps?

samsung smartphone market share hovers at just over 23% while Apple tries to hold a distant second place at just under 15%. Recently Huwei has outsold Apple worldwide to claim the numbr 2 slot (the Iphone 8 should regain that #2 slot for apple). Factor in the non smart phones that samsung offers and their whole market share dwarfs apple. So sucking a hundred plus bucks off each iphone is just gravy. (interesting note - 81%+ of phone sold in 2016 were android based, 17%+ were IOS, with a small number of other operating systems sold)

Apple always maintains that they have the top selling phone - true. They have fewer options than their competiors so to buy an iPhone you get an iphone 8 or possibly a few holdover 7s. Hence that model sells the most as you don't have opportunity to select other models. Great phones, excellent build quaity, etc.. just over hyped in my opinion.

The new speculated iPhone X is hampering the 8 sales. it's closer to the current the market technology than the 8 and people are waiting instead of buying the 8 (sales are still great, just behind expectations). I read an article last week noting that in buying an iPhone X you are waiting for the opportunity to have technology 2 years behind the current market offerings. Apple used to take risks and lead... what happened?

[accadacca]

It will be interesting to see if the gap widens after the X is launched and holiday shopping wraps up next year.

Full List
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Most Profitable
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171011/75ae8c9d60e6e276c4d8235677fe27d8.png

[rockgremlin]

^^^I think those lists were documenting profits from all products, not just phones. So for Apple it would be not just their iPhones, but Macs, iWatches, iEarbuds, iBatteries, iTunes, iPods, etc...

Same goes for Samsung Electronics -- I think that applies not just for Android phones, but for TVs, and other Samsung products.

[double moo]

It will be interesting to see if the gap widens after the X is launched and holiday shopping wraps up next year.

Full List
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Most Profitable
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171011/75ae8c9d60e6e276c4d8235677fe27d8.png

Last time I looked profit was determined by what was left over after covering the hard and soft costs. If you make fewer products, pay your competitor 12% of every phone sold (part of the hard costs), capture 40% less of the market share, and still show double the profit line... you've got a great scam going! Let's us all know that Apple is charging way too much for their products (one investment report noted Apple profits nearly $400/phone) - thanks for pointing that out...

[accadacca]

Regardless of how you slice it, Samsung is cleaning up the table scraps. That was my point. I'm not only talking about the iPhone X, but the overall worth of the company.

The same could be said for Reebok, Adidas and others. They clean up the table scraps that Nike leaves behind. It all boils down to marketing. Apple does a phenomenal job in this category. The products may or may not be better, but the demand they create trumps the other variables.

Then it becomes basic economics. They charge what they want to charge, just like any other premium brand.

[rockgremlin]

Samsung is the Reebok of the electronics world? WTF? This statement may be the very definition of delusion.

[Iceaxe]

Regardless of how you slice it, Samsung is cleaning up the table scraps. That was my point. I'm not only talking about the iPhone X, but the overall worth of the company.

WRONG!!!

It's cute the way you try and manipulate information in an attempt to pacify you fanboi needs. You seem to only be looking at the value of Samsung Electronic's, when in reality Samsung is a much larger company. That's like looking at the value of Chevrolet but conveniently omitting the fact they are part of General Motors. Samsung is separated into four business groups: Samsung Group, Shinsegae Group, CJ Group and Hansol Group (think Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC).

For the record, notable Samsung industrial affiliates include Samsung Electronics, Samsung Heavy Industries, Samsung Engineering, Samsung C&T, Samsung Life Insurance, Samsung Everland, Cheil Worldwide and numerous other smaller ventures.

:soapbox:

[accadacca]

WRONG!!!

It's cute the way you try and manipulate information in an attempt to pacify you fanboi needs. You seem to only be looking at the value of Samsung Electronic's, when in reality Samsung is a much larger company. That's like looking at the value of Chevrolet but conveniently omitting the fact they are part of General Motors. Samsung is separated into four business groups: Samsung Group, Shinsegae Group, CJ Group and Hansol Group (think Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC).

For the record, notable Samsung industrial affiliates include Samsung Electronics, Samsung Heavy Industries, Samsung Engineering, Samsung C&T, Samsung Life Insurance, Samsung Everland, Cheil Worldwide and numerous other smaller ventures.

:soapbox:
So what is their combined revenue compared to the top 15 that is listed on fortune.com and other sites listing the most profitable companies?

It was announced that Apple took over the #1 spot many months ago at $45.7 billion: http://fortune.com/2017/06/07/fortune-500-companies-profit-apple-berkshire-hathaway/

[accadacca]

The global top 500 is what I referenced earlier with Apple #1 in the US.

http://fortune.com/global500/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/10/24/24-7-wall-st-most-profitable-companies/74501312/

[double moo]

https://www.quora.com/Which-company-is-more-popular-and-richer-worldwide-apple-or-samsung

Both make great phones, computers, and other electronics... Just boils down to preference.

[accadacca]

Gotcha. I guess the closest comparison would be Samsung Electronics vs. Apple Computer. The rest is apples to oranges.

[devo_stevo]

All I know is that opinions are like armpits. Everybody has a couple of them and they usually stink.

I like my iPhone. It works well, does everything I need it to do, and the quality of the hardware is top notch. They are a quality product. The same can be said of the comparable Samsung phone.

Use whatever one you want. I don't care. Yes, Apple makes a lot of money off of their phones. That's fine with me. They are in business to make money. All companies are. If they don't, they disappear and we don't get the cool new toys that we all want so much. That's capitalism for you.

[Iceaxe]

Don't expect your carrier to help pay for your $1000 iPhone.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dont-expect-your-carrier-to-help-pay-for-your-1-000-iphone-1505414696?tesla=y&mod=e2fb

[accadacca]

Forgot to set my alarm for 1 am. Ordered at 7 am, now I gotta wait a few weeks. They started selling out after 10 minutes.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171028/b5e69a68c2e068b7ddf3a07310dfeb60.jpg

[Iceaxe]

First World problems... LOL...

[accadacca]

First World problems... LOL...

Pretty much...lol

[double moo]

I read the other day that they have had production problems and will not have the amount available that they had hoped for. Will take longer to get the orders filled than expected. Probably why you are having to wait.

[jman]

accadacca when he gets his new phone https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171115/d33b6401565ee0e76b3e688be30be6aa.jpg


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[itsgreta]

I don't want to be poor forever so I will just use my android phone, unless it got broke but I won't still buy it.

[accadacca]

accadacca when he gets his new phone https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171115/d33b6401565ee0e76b3e688be30be6aa.jpg


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It’s finally in transit. [emoji41]

[BruteForce]

My kid has had his for almost 2 weeks now. What took you so long, accadacca ?

[accadacca]

My kid has had his for almost 2 weeks now. What took you so long, @accadacca (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=3) ?
Wow! You allow that kind of trash in your home? haha

I didn't order mine until that Friday morning, so my delivery was delayed.

[BruteForce]

Wow! You allow that kind of trash in your home? haha

I didn't order mine until that Friday morning, so my delivery was delayed.


I barely tolerate all the Apple products my youngest drags into the house.

[Iceaxe]

It appears Apple's closed garden approach to software and apps might be in jeopardy.... The closed garden is what I despise about Apple products and is what the Fanboi have wet dreams over...

Supreme Court could allow suit over Apple iPhone apps' sales
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=46434960&nid=151

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