Utah Cop illegally arrests Nurse for not giving patients blood sample

[accadacca]

I haven't seen the video yet, but this guy sounds like a real asshat. Another episode of bad cop no donut.

What was this guy thinking?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_RjebYDis


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=C204U2LUQVk

[Rob L]

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/09/01/youre-under-arrest-utah-cop-under-fire-after-arrest-of-salt-lake-city-nurse-caught-on-tape

[kiwi_outdoors]

Perhaps in UTAH the woman is expected to obey the man - and thats what really got the cop annoyed.

[Iceaxe]

It appears the dumbass cops watch supervisor order him to arrest the nurse, so at least two heads should roll.

[gholt]

Love how cops like to push their authority to get whatever they want.

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[BruteForce]

The U of U and DPS officers are complicit. Why didn't any of them intervene on such an obvious abuse of power and violation of law?

[gholt]

Two cops placed on leave.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com


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[Taylor]

The U of U and DPS officers are complicit. Why didn't any of them intervene on such an obvious abuse of power and violation of law?There were no DPS officers present nor are they ever involved with the U of U. This was SLCPD exclusively.

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[accadacca]

Full video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=MHWXqZQ2_Rw

[Iceaxe]

There were no DPS officers present nor are they ever involved with the U of U. This was SLCPD exclusively.

At least one U of U officer was present as the nurse asked him to intervene and he refused. So it was more then just SLCPD.

[accadacca]

I counted 4-5 cops or dudes with badges in total and not one of them stopped the madness. There are SO many other ways to handle the situation:

• How about talking to hospital management, instead of arresting a nurse for following hospital policy, her boss and the LAW.
• How about knowing the ACTUAL law.
• How about leaving your EGO at the door.
• How about not assaulting an innocent law abiding citizen.
• How many other things can we list?

Instead, both cops were hell bent on arresting her and telling off anyone else with a logical thought. Textbook example of cops gone bad, letting their egos get in the way and abusing their power.

She should totally sue the state for that BS. Ridiculous.

[Taylor]

At least one U of U officer was present as the nurse asked him to intervene and he refused. So it was more then just SLCPD.

Ok. This was SLCPD and U of U officers. Still not DPS or UPD or Sandy PD, etc, etc. It was reported incorrectly in the media and it is an important distinction. Jeff Payne works for Jackie Biskupski and Mike Brown, not the governor.

[BruteForce]

Ok. This was SLCPD and U of U officers. Still not DPS or UPD or Sandy PD, etc, etc. It was reported incorrectly in the media and it is an important distinction. Jeff Payne works for Jackie Biskupski and Mike Brown, not the governor.

I read at least two reports indicating a DPS officer was present. What's your thing with this? Personal connection with LEO?

[Iceaxe]

U of U police chief says his officers should have protected nurse.

http://kutv.com/news/local/chief-officers-should-have-protected-nurse-at-u-of-u

[Sombeech]

My buddy works with Jeff Payne, the arresting officer. He's a douche. He acts like this his whole career. He's a cop, an investigator, and also an EMT. He gets paid to get blood samples, so when the Nurse was showing him the agreement that his very own Police Department had made with that particular hospital, he lost his patience and cuffed her.

His defense is you can see her backing up as he charges toward her and she does what any scared and shocked human would do to any hand that is coming toward them, she tried to deflect it away.

This is where she assaulted a police officer. This is his only little piece of hope in this whole thing. The definition of assault is getting a little stupid.

He is also on other audio from this same incident, heard saying that he brings a lot of patients to this hospital, so now he'll only bring transients, bums, drug addicts and homeless to this one, and bring the "good ones" elsewhere.

This is the piece that has him removed from his EMT job, where my buddy works with him.

Imagine, an EMT that knows if you're deserving of the proper care because of the neighborhood you're from.

[Sombeech]

There are arguments that a CDL driver has agreed to automatically give a blood sample in an incident, this and that. But all of those conditions are NULL and VOID when the police dept agreed with that hospital that there are only 3 methods to get a sample.

If the person is charged with a crime

Consent by the individual

EDIT, I forget what the 3rd rule is, but this dude didn't qualify.


The real story you may not hear, is this patient was involved in a chase up in Logan, Cache County, and the police officer ran into the vehicle and caused this injury to the patient. So they are really super duper really hoping that they could find the guy was on Meth or something illegal to justify the whole thing.

I may be wrong but I don't think they found any illegal substance in the patient's blood.

[middlefork]

The real story you may not hear, is this patient was involved in a chase up in Logan, Cache County, and the police officer ran into the vehicle and caused this injury to the patient. So they are really super duper really hoping that they could find the guy was on Meth or something illegal to justify the whole thing.

I may be wrong but I don't think they found any illegal substance in the patient's blood.

And where on earth did you get this version of the story?

KSL may not always get everything right but their reporting make more sense than your above story.
https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45174911&nid=148

[Sombeech]

And where on earth did you get this version of the story?

KSL may not always get everything right but their reporting make more sense than your above story.
https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45174911&nid=148


Eh, close I guess. One version was the officer made contact with the vehicle, the other is he was just following, but both stories involve the high speed chase.

So now since the driver died after being involved with a high speed pursuit, the police department was overly anxious to find something in the driver's blood.

If the driver was completely sober and dies in a police pursuit, that's a much more difficult story to swallow than the dude being coked out.

This is why Jeff Payne was in such a hurry to get this blood sample, although I'm not sure what the final result was except Officer Payne made a boo boo.

[middlefork]

The person who's blood they were determined to draw only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The approaching vehicle that was being pursued crossed over the center line to directly strike the truck of the injured driver who's blood they were trying to get.

I don't see what reason they would have to test his blood. If a pursuing officer tried a pit maneuver and the car then struck the truck it seems most likely that the pursuit driver would be tested along with the driver of the car being pursued. Again no reason to test the driver of the truck.

[Iceaxe]

Middlefork has the correct sequence of events.

[Sombeech]

I didn't think they were trying to test the truck driver's blood either. It was the guy in the pursuit, right?

They really, REALLY wanted it to come back positive for something, and they wanted to test it urgently while the levels were still potent.

[Iceaxe]

I didn't think they were trying to test the truck driver's blood either. It was the guy in the pursuit, right?

They really, REALLY wanted it to come back positive for something, and they wanted to test it urgently while the levels were still potent.

Nope, this brewhaha is because they were trying to test the truck driver, AKA innocent bystander.

The driver of the car that was being chased by the cop was dead. That's the heart of the problem in that the truck driver did nothing wrong so there was no legal reason for him to submit.

[Brian in SLC]

Nope, this brewhaha is because they were trying to test the truck driver, AKA innocent bystander.

The driver of the car that was being chased by the cop was dead. That's the heart of the problem in that the truck driver did nothing wrong so there was no legal reason for him to submit.

I heard a super early version of the events and had heard they'd wanted the truck driver's blood from the get go.

I'm guess that in a civil case, where the family of the deceased sues the po po for excessive force (or what ever), having an impaired driver in accident along with the fatality they were chasing waters down any case in court. Maybe enough...?

If a police chase wasn't in the mix, then, I'd think they'd get blood samples from all accident folks. I can guess what insurance would do if the accident was clearly someone's fault, but, the other driver was impaired.

At least, that's the only logic I can see in this. The PD involved in the accident wants to water down their potential culpability.

[accadacca]

Gold Cross fires officer Jeff Payne's from their ambulance team.

"Although Jeff was not working for Gold Cross Ambulance at the time of the incident, we take his inappropriate remarks regarding patient transports seriously," the company said in a statement. "We acknowledge those concerned individuals who have contacted us regarding this incident and affirm our commitment to serving all members of the community with kindness and respect. We will continue to maintain our values of outstanding patient focused care, safety and the complete trust of the communities we serve."

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45689348&nid=148

[middlefork]

I heard a super early version of the events and had heard they'd wanted the truck driver's blood from the get go.

I'm guess that in a civil case, where the family of the deceased sues the po po for excessive force (or what ever), having an impaired driver in accident along with the fatality they were chasing waters down any case in court. Maybe enough...?

If a police chase wasn't in the mix, then, I'd think they'd get blood samples from all accident folks. I can guess what insurance would do if the accident was clearly someone's fault, but, the other driver was impaired.

At least, that's the only logic I can see in this. The PD involved in the accident wants to water down their potential culpability.

The driver of the truck was unconscious and could not give consent to a blood draw. The only way the police could get a draw is if they had a warrant. I would guess that it would be the same for an insurance company.

In this case the nurse explained the rules/laws and the cop and apparently his supervisor tried intimidation instead of just getting a warrant. If a judge would have issued a warrant is another discussion altogether.

[uintafly]

I heard a super early version of the events and had heard they'd wanted the truck driver's blood from the get go.

I'm guess that in a civil case, where the family of the deceased sues the po po for excessive force (or what ever), having an impaired driver in accident along with the fatality they were chasing waters down any case in court. Maybe enough...?

If a police chase wasn't in the mix, then, I'd think they'd get blood samples from all accident folks. I can guess what insurance would do if the accident was clearly someone's fault, but, the other driver was impaired.

At least, that's the only logic I can see in this. The PD involved in the accident wants to water down their potential culpability.

I think this is 100% correct. Otherwise, why else would they want an innocent bystanders blood? Methinks they were worried that the high speed chase was justified or not. At some point you have to decide is the threat to the public during a high speed chase worth the catching the criminal? Maybe they were worried that in this case it wasn't worth it. but if the innocent bystander is drunk it's a bit of a get out of jail free card. Kinda like Tony Stewart.

[Scott Card]

I thought this was a pretty good write-up with some thought provoking questions and inferences.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-the-utah-good-nurse-bad-cop-video-says-about-medical-privacy/amp

[Sombeech]

Interesting, so Payne was trying to get the blood of the Truck driver, who wasn't being pursued by the police?

Strange, I assumed because of the whole rush he was in, that it was the guy that ran from the police.

[Sombeech]

Hospital security should be kicked in the balls


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GRrtLLDikM

[gholt]

Those security guard did not do their job.

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[Sombeech]

I thought this was a pretty good write-up with some thought provoking questions and inferences.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-the-utah-good-nurse-bad-cop-video-says-about-medical-privacy/amp


"The truck driver, William Gray—who, in one of this story’s many byways, was a reserve police officer in Rigby, Idaho—staggered out of his semi, his clothes and body on fire. He was airlifted to the burn unit. One might wonder why the police wanted his blood, when he was, essentially, a bystander. The Utah police have said that it was meant for Gray’s protection, but Payne, in his report on the incident, obtained by the Salt Lake Tribune, said that the officers who were dealing with the crash wanted to know whether Gray had any “chemical substances (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/utah-nurse-arrested-over-blood-draw-says-shouldn-t-happen-n798556)” in his system. Another, troubling possibility could be that they were looking for something that might place some of the responsibility for the crash on Gray, in case he complained that the police had been reckless in their pursuit."

OK this sheds a little light on why Payne wanted that blood so bad.

If Gray, the innocent truck driver was intoxicated and ran into the assailant being chased by police, then the police would justify not feeling so bad about the fatality, because they didn't die from being chased by police, they died because another driver got involved while intoxicated.

So now I'm curious if a blood sample was EVER obtained. If so, I assume it was negative, or Payne would be shouting his justification of "the end justifies the means".

Any info on the Truck Driver's blood? While the nurse was in handcuffs, did Payne take this chance to snag a blood sample?

[middlefork]

It is my understanding that blood was drawn by the hospital. It just would not be handed over without a warrant.
It is pretty standard to draw blood with any serious injury or illness.

[Sombeech]

It is my understanding that blood was drawn by the hospital. It just would not be handed over without a warrant.
It is pretty standard to draw blood with any serious injury or illness.

I think it was Payne that wanted to draw the blood himself, as he's also an EMT on the side and draws blood regularly for different contracts. I believe he gets a few hundred bucks for each task, drawing blood for different warrants or whatever orders call for it.

[middlefork]

Yes he wanted to draw the blood sample himself and he was trained to do so. I have no absolute proof but I doubt he even had a chance to get a needle out much less get the sample.
And it wouldn't matter in the least as it would have been illegally obtained if he did.

Maybe a better question is who's going to pay the bills for the truck driver? What kind of insurance do you think the kid who ran had?

[accadacca]

Salt Lake Police Biskupski: Officers violated 6 policies in Alex Wubbels' arrest

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5682fba7bfe8733044495b6f/t/59b9aab7f6576ed37dd94b8e/1505340087511/UMED+Incident+IA+Policies1.pdf

http://www.slcdocs.com/civreview/PCF/C2017-0062.pdf

[accadacca]

Officer Payne was disciplined for sexual harassment within the last few years.

[accadacca]

Should he get fired?

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Detective makes final plea to keep his job as nurse-arrest case heads to chief’s office

The ultimate decision of whether or not Detective Jeff Payne loses his job will soon rest with Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown.

Payne’s attorney, Greg Skordas, spoke with 2News after the internal affairs hearing Monday.

“I don’t think anybody is going to say that Jeff couldn’t have done things differently and there should be some sanction for that. I don’t think this warns major discipline, I don’t think it warrants termination by any means,” Skordas said. “I hope that people can keep this case in perspective and not let the media frenzy that surrounded it decide what the punishment should be.”

http://kutv.com/news/local/detective-makes-final-plea-to-keep-his-job-as-nurse-arrest-case-heads-to-chiefs-office

[gholt]

I think so. He acted like a bully using his police force and arrest as a billy club to get what he wanted.

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[accadacca]

Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown fired embattled police detective Jeff Payne on Tuesday and demoted Lt. James Tracy for their involvement in the July arrest of University Hospital nurse Alex Wubbels.

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46118645&nid=148&title=chief-fires-officer-who-arrested-u-nurse-lieutenant-demoted

[Iceaxe]

Next question... what took so long?

And the sad part is nothing would have happen to these cops and it would just be business as usual if not for the leaked video.

[rockgremlin]

Next question... what took so long?

And the sad part is nothing would have happen to these cops and it would just be business as usual if not for the leaked video.


So true.

So his career is pretty much over now. Do you think he could at the very least get a job as a rent-a-cop somewhere? :haha:

[accadacca]

A disgruntled overbearing mall cop would be my guess.

[BruteForce]

Why is this still a discussion? Have any of you seen the "extra video" of him along the car tweaking out like he was either on drugs or just trembling from the experience? This guy needs to go and resume life as a rent-a-cop.

[accadacca]

Why is this still a discussion? Have any of you seen the "extra video" of him along the car tweaking out like he was either on drugs or just trembling from the experience? This guy needs to go and resume life as a rent-a-cop.

Nope...?

[Iceaxe]

Why is this still a discussion? Have any of you seen the "extra video" of him along the car tweaking out like he was either on drugs or just trembling from the experience? This guy needs to go and resume life as a rent-a-cop.

Yes, I've seen the extra video. I assume you are talking about the one that also got Payne fired from Gold Cross for threatening to bring all the homeless to the U. Most people don't realize the guy lost two good jobs that night.

FWIW - My wife is a Paramedic and worked with Payne at Gold Cross.

[Sombeech]

FWIW - My wife is a Paramedic and worked with Payne at Gold Cross.

Sounds like she works with my buddy Evan shown on the right

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[gholt]

Why is this still a discussion? Have any of you seen the "extra video" of him along the car tweaking out like he was either on drugs or just trembling from the experience? This guy needs to go and resume life as a rent-a-cop.

Where is this extra video


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[accadacca]

Nurse Wubbels will be collecting $500k from the state for her troubles.

[gholt]

Nurse Wubbels will be collecting $500k from the state for her troubles.Not from the state, from the taxpayers.

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[Scott P]

Not from the state, from the taxpayers.

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Yes, that's the sad thing about payoffs such as this. The nurse was wronged and now the taxpayers will be wronged as well.

[accadacca]

Yep, the state meaning the taxpayers.

[uintafly]

This is a bit of a joke. The cop certainly deserved to be fired, but is this really worth $500k? She was in the cuffed and in the car for what? All of 20 minutes or so?

[Sombeech]

I'm telling my wife to not serve the next cop that comes to her location now. I'm tired of working.

[uintafly]

I'm telling my wife to not serve the next cop that comes to her location now. I'm tired of working.

I'd even go a few more steps and let em taze me a time or two.

[accadacca]

The former Salt Lake police officer who received worldwide criticism for his arrest of University of Utah Hospital nurse Alex Wubbels says he was only following orders. He now wants $1.5 million from the city for being wrongfully fired, defamation of character, breach of contract and not being properly trained.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900042306/officer-who-arrested-university-of-utah-nurse-plans-to-sue-city-cowards-mayor-police-chief.html

[Goat]

The former Salt Lake police officer who received worldwide criticism for his arrest of University of Utah Hospital nurse Alex Wubbels says he was only following orders. He now wants $1.5 million from the city for being wrongfully fired, defamation of character, breach of contract and not being properly trained.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900042306/officer-who-arrested-university-of-utah-nurse-plans-to-sue-city-cowards-mayor-police-chief.html


Just following orders didn't work at Nuremberg, it shouldn't work here.

[accadacca]

Jeff Payne, the former Salt Lake City police detective who was fired in 2017 after his controversial arrest of University Hospital nurse Alex Wubbels, has been hired by the Weber County Sheriff’s Office.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46627814/former-salt-lake-police-detective-involved-in-controversial-alex-wubbels-arrest-hired-in-weber-county