Are we raising snowflakes?

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmzFFImgoJw

[devo_stevo]

Yes. We are raising snowflakes. Also, there are far too many of them that seem to be raising themselves.

[BruteForce]

The sudden and rapid loss of masculinity and the utter feminism of boys/men is just astounding. Hard to tell a guy from a girl these days. In contrast, its also getting harder to define a girl from a guy. Try being an alpha male and making eye contact with almost any "male" these days. Sad.. Really sad.

The result is these emasculated things become Internet keyboard and social justice warriors!

[rockgremlin]

The sudden and rapid loss of masculinity and the utter feminism of boys/men is just astounding. Hard to tell a guy from a girl these days. In contrast, its also getting harder to define a girl from a guy. Try being an alpha male and making eye contact with almost any "male" these days. Sad.. Really sad.

The result is these emasculated things become Internet keyboard and social justice warriors!

Where do you live? Hollywood?

[devo_stevo]

The sudden and rapid loss of masculinity and the utter feminism of boys/men is just astounding. Hard to tell a guy from a girl these days. In contrast, its also getting harder to define a girl from a guy. Try being an alpha male and making eye contact with almost any "male" these days. Sad.. Really sad.

The result is these emasculated things become Internet keyboard and social justice warriors!I have a theory about the loss of masculinity in young men these days.

For years now, men have been portrayed on TV and in movies as idiots. Kids are raised on Disney kids shows where the parents, especially the fathers, are shown as incompetent and idiotic. The teenage kids are always the ones that have their crap together and they run the household. Masculinity, when it appears, is always exaggerated and made to be ridiculous. You're a chauvinist or a redneck if you are masculine. Nobody wants that because the people of TV make fun of you.

As a result, young men don't want to be that way. They don't want to learn about things that men have traditionally done. They don't care about being able to fix things, change the oil in the car, wire a light switch or outlet, or do any of the things that men traditionally have done. There's always somebody out there that they can pay to do that stuff.

Sad really.

This is of course just my opinion, and I could easily be wrong. But I don't think so.

[rockgremlin]

Could just be that things are evolving in a different direction. My 16-yr-old doesn't enjoy doing the typical "macho" activities, but he's a tech genius. He'll dance circles around anybody once the topic of conversation evolves into the realm of computers and technology. I think that's a good thing. He more equipped to succeed in the future if he's better versed at computers and technology than auto mechanics and duck hunting.

[Scott P]

I don't think there is any generation that approved of the youth from the next generation. I don't thing the young generation is as bad as people say.

Look at crime rates for example. They are at or near historic lows. From a statistical standpoint, at least since statistics were kept, the worst generation in American history are those born between 1945 and 1970 (the generations born before 1945 and after 1970 have been better).

Let's face it though. The next generation is getting screwed. They are inheriting a huge debt, much if which is due to worthless wars, healthcare that you have be rich to afford, college that is much more expensive than we paid, expensive housing, environmental degration, mass amounts of pollution, etc.

It is us that is screwing over the next generation, so we can't complain too much about their faults.

[Iceaxe]

The sudden and rapid loss of masculinity and the utter feminism of boys/men is just astounding. Hard to tell a guy from a girl these days. In contrast, its also getting harder to define a girl from a guy. Try being an alpha male and making eye contact with almost any "male" these days. Sad.. Really sad.

The result is these emasculated things become Internet keyboard and social justice warriors!
^^^THIS^^^

[uintafly]

The sudden and rapid loss of masculinity and the utter feminism of boys/men is just astounding. Hard to tell a guy from a girl these days. In contrast, its also getting harder to define a girl from a guy. Try being an alpha male and making eye contact with almost any "male" these days. Sad.. Really sad.

The result is these emasculated things become Internet keyboard and social justice warriors!

Hahaha, this is the biggest crock o' shit. How exactly are men becoming utterly feminine? Am I not a real man because I hug and kiss my kids and tell them I love them too much? Is a girl not feminine enough because she rails down a mountain on a bike and jumps off cliffs on skis? Old dudes were saying the same stuff to the long haired hippies.

BTW: I agree with a lot of what Adam Carolla says, but it has nothing to do with stereotypical gender roles.

[Scott P]

How exactly are men becoming utterly feminine?

I wouldn't call it more feminine, but people are definitely getting more pansy. A good example is more people riding ATVs rather than walking to access the outdoors.

[uintafly]

I wouldn't call it more feminine, but people are definitely getting more pansy. A good example is more people riding ATVs rather than walking to access the outdoors.

I think we are lazier as a society now thanks to all of the conveniences we now have. But I have a sneaking suspicion that the people riding ATV's are the very same people calling the kids of today feminine.

[Iceaxe]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/18/magazine/18firstwords/18firstwords-master768.jpg

[Iceaxe]

Here is a really interesting video on Generation Snowflake.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvrxQ4M3EOo

[rockgremlin]

News flash --- People ride ATVs because it's fun. It's not always to avoid "having to hike."

Ya gonna haul out that elk you just shot in a backpack? Doubt it...

[Scott P]

News flash --- People ride ATVs because it's fun. It's not always to avoid "having to hike."

That doesn't change the fact that it's a pretty pansy way to visit the outdoors. :bootyshake:

Of course we're all pretty pansy compared to our ancestors.

[Iceaxe]

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[Brian in SLC]

News flash --- People ride ATVs because it's fun. It's not always to avoid "having to hike."

Ya gonna haul out that elk you just shot in a backpack? Doubt it...

A man would. (Ha ha).

I never used an ATV to pack out any big game animal. Up to and including a moose. Gobs of deer. We quartered or halved them and packed them out on the back or hoped for snow and dragged them.

Not that I've hunted in awhile...but...

A friend who's an elk hunter in Montana, who's outside the norm for sure, can bone out an elk and pack it out in mere minutes. Crazy. He doesn't (and wouldn't) own an ATV. Considers those folks, for the most part, pretty lazy road hunters. Which is why he fills a number of tags every year.

But, to be honest...if I was in the backcountry, freshly killed elk, and there was an ATV trail nearby, and, a feller rode up and offered...oh yeah...

Yeah, probably have a bad back in part from packing heavy loads...heavy sigh...

In Utah, if you look at the highest risk of death for a teenager, you can see what's up with these "snowflakes"...

[BruteForce]

Hahaha, this is the biggest crock o' shit. How exactly are men becoming utterly feminine? Am I not a real man because I hug and kiss my kids and tell them I love them too much? Is a girl not feminine enough because she rails down a mountain on a bike and jumps off cliffs on skis? Old dudes were saying the same stuff to the long haired hippies.

BTW: I agree with a lot of what Adam Carolla says, but it has nothing to do with stereotypical gender roles.

Your version of feminine is clearly different from mine. Here are mine:

-Painted nails
-Makeup on guys
-Colored hair (purple, pink, etc)
-Don't know how to change a tire on their own vehicle
-Have no idea how to do maint. on anything (car, bike, etc)
-Don't know how to handle or even load a firearm
-Face piercings (tongue, cheek, nose, etc)
-Have never been in the wild (or even left their county for that matter)
-Are nervous or even terrified around true alpha males

Seems you've personalized my comment. Why? Do you fit neatly into one or more of the above?

[Scott P]

-Painted nails
-Makeup on guys
-Colored hair (purple, pink, etc)
-Don't know how to change a tire on their own vehicle
-Have no idea how to do maint. on anything (car, bike, etc)
-Don't know how to handle or even load a firearm
-Face piercings (tongue, cheek, nose, etc)
-Have never been in the wild (or even left their county for that matter)
-Are nervous or even terrified around true alpha males

Pretty good list, but you forgot:

Rides an ATV
Doesn't know how to rock climb, ice climb, or canyoneer
Uses a 5th wheel instead of camping

There are lots of those types around here where I live. Sad, really. Those type of people are definitely pansy, but I calling them feminine would kind of be an insult to women.

[jdn1221]

Ha! Scott must make his own tents and walk everywhere.

Carolla really hits it on the head with his little statement. Adults need to be adults and work to guide kids and young adults without fear of hurting their feelings. Parents need to teach children as early as possible that the world isn't fair. As a adult you need to know that your way doesn't automatically make it the right way, people are mean (on purpose or not) and it won't kill you, and every thing that you disagree with doesn't mean that its a bad thing .

The world isn't black and white, every opinion isn't right or wrong, and you don't just love or hate your fellow man (or person, if you're a snowflake).

[Scott P]

Ha! Scott must make his own tents and walk everywhere.

Tents are for pansies. Before I became I pansy I didn't use one, but I got tired of getting soaked spending two summers in the Uintas, so I decided to be a pansy and start taking a tent.

[BruteForce]

Pretty good list, but you forgot:

Rides an ATV
Doesn't know how to rock climb, ice climb, or canyoneer
Uses a 5th wheel instead of camping

There are lots of those types around here where I live. Sad, really. Those type of people are definitely pansy, but I calling them feminine would kind of be an insult to women.


And, since your comment seems directed at me, you don't know me AT ALL. Sky dive ever? Hunt ever? Bushwack mountaineer ever? I do all those things and more.
Internet warrior, eh? Taking a jab at me, eh? The butt hurt must be flowing through some of you snowflakes big time to take this personally.

[Scott P]

And, since your comment seems directed at me, you don't know me AT ALL

This is true, but it seems to me that you are always calling other people a pansy (well actually something similar) for one reason or another, so I was gently ribbing you rather than butthurt.


Sky dive ever?

I really want to do this and have for a long time. I was hoping to when I was in the military, but didn't get to. Let's go!


Hunt ever?

I found it boring. It would be much more exciting if the animals were armed so they had a fair chance. Well, I guess some animals are armed, but I really like those animals (tigers, bears, etc.), so wouldn't want to shoot them. Seeing a wild tiger, for example, was a pretty cool experience. I would like to hunt my neighbor's cats and eat them, but I'd probably get in lots of trouble.


Bushwack mountaineer ever?

Let's see. I have climbed 2100+ mountains in 50 countries. It's a sure bet that hundreds of them were bushwhacks. Even in Colorado and Utah there are bushwhacks. Some places I have done some gnarly bushwhacks up mountains include Malaysia, Sumatra, the area where the Andes meets the Amazon, Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia, Honduras, Guyana, India, Uganda, etc.


Internet warrior, eh? Taking a jab at me, eh?

Yes, but I don't say that I am tough. There are a lot of tougher people than me. The name calling just gets old, so it's only fair to dish some out every once in a while.


The butt hurt must be flowing through some of you snowflakes big time to take this personally.

I'm not butthurt by any means, but let's turn this into an opportunity. :2thumbs: We could have a friendly contest; me vs. the Alpha Male. It will be fun and we can post a trip report on Bogley.

I propose the following friendly contest:

Have you climbed Kings Peak yet, the highest mountain in Utah? Let's do it! I'd prefer coming in from the south since I still have two more 13ers to knock off on the Kings-Emmons Ridge.

I'm pretty busy now, but should have a lot of free time in December and January.

I propose that we race up Kings Peak from the south. The first one to the top wins. I'm slow and fat 6' tall and 252 lbs), so it shouldn't be hard to beat me. Let's do it though! I would be willing to give you a six hour head start. Loser gets to be called the snowflake!

The only rule needed would be no motorized travel beyond the trailhead. You can bring anything you want and if you need something that you may not have, you can borrow it from me (I assume you have everything needed though).

It would be a lot more meaningful than being an internet warrior (I'm not say that you are).

Do you accept my friendly challenge? :2thumbs:

[jdn1221]

Scott P, since you're so opposed to motorized vehicles, you should have to travel on foot from your home. It seems a bit hypocritical to post all the cool places you've been (which is badass) but not acknowledge that without motorized vehicles our world would be very much more difficult to explore on such a broad scale.

Also, I've done Kings Peak in January. Absolutely beautiful, awe inspiring, perhaps mind altering, but I wouldn't do it again and wouldn't suggest it to anyone. There's better ways to spend your time in January and just as wonderful destinations.

[Scott P]

Scott P, since you're so opposed to motorized vehicles, you should have to travel on foot from your home. It seems a bit hypocritical to post all the cool places you've been (which is badass) but not acknowledge that without motorized vehicles our world would be very much more difficult to explore on such a broad scale.

If you follow the conversation (and previous ones-you are new here), I was merely ribbing (fairly gently if you ask me) someone else who is always (for several years now) referring to others as something similar to a sissy, pansy, snow flake, etc. (even calling out Tom Jones, who is one of the toughest "older" guys that I know). In a somewhat joking and friendly, but still trolling manner, it was directed as some gentle ribbing towards a single person who always points out others as being sissies, pansies, or whatever.

Of course I have nothing against anyone on Bogley and proposed a very friendly challenge. I'm sure most of here are nice guys, even if we do disagree at times. To be honest, I actually respect Brute Force, but that doesn't mean that I'm not afraid to call someone out if I disagree with something.


Also, I've done Kings Peak in January.

I have been to the north side in January, but not the south. I still need to get two peaks along the Kings-Emmons Ridge in order to finish the Utah 13ers. I was stormed off those peaks on a previous trip.


There's better ways to spend your time in January and just as wonderful destinations.

I proposed Kings Peak since it is roughly half way between us. I live in the Craig Colorado area and Brute lives along the Wasatch Front. It seems like a good (approximately) half way point.

The friendly challenge is serious though. We should do it. It seems a lot better than being internet warriors.

[accadacca]

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[accadacca]

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[uintafly]

As is often the case around these parts, Scott wins the thread.


Your version of feminine is clearly different from mine. Here are mine:

-Painted nails
-Makeup on guys
-Colored hair (purple, pink, etc)
-Don't know how to change a tire on their own vehicle
-Have no idea how to do maint. on anything (car, bike, etc)
-Don't know how to handle or even load a firearm
-Face piercings (tongue, cheek, nose, etc)
-Have never been in the wild (or even left their county for that matter)
-Are nervous or even terrified around true alpha males

Seems you've personalized my comment. Why? Do you fit neatly into one or more of the above?

lol. You are perfect caricature of a 1955 version of "The Manly Man".

On a serious note, what exactly do you mean by true alpha males. I have never really been nervous or terrified by anyone yet, but I need to be on the look out for these guys just in case. Please elucidate this for me.

[jdn1221]

Scott P. I hear what you're saying and giving a friend a hard time is the right thing to do. If your friends are like mine, anyway. Hell, if we can't call people out without fear of hurting their feelings than what are we doing complaining on this thread about snowflakes for! :cry1:

As for internet warriors, if it means hiking to Kings in the winter again, then i guess i'm officially an internet warrior now because once was enough for me!

[Iceaxe]

On a serious note, what exactly do you mean by true alpha males. I have never really been nervous or terrified by anyone yet, but I need to be on the look out for these guys just in case. Please elucidate this for me.

If you have to ask you can rest assured that you are NOT one.

:snowcloud:

[twotimer]

To me, the only thing new about snowflakes is the word "snowflakes". This androgynous thing has been goin' on since Bowie started running around like a drag queen. I have this saying...

Seven thousand years ago one caveman said to another, "I don't know what it is with the kids these days".

[Iceaxe]

I watch video of young American soldiers, many of who were conscripted, landing in Normandy in 1944 and charging into the teeth of death in the name of freedom. And I just don't see the majority of young American men having the intestinal fortitude to be able to do that today.

[hank moon]

Seven thousand years ago one caveman said to another, "I don't know what it is with the kids these days".

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/05/the-astonishing-age-of-a-neanderthal-cave-construction-site/484070/

[Scott P]

I watch video of young American soldiers, many of who were conscripted, landing in Normandy in 1944 and charging into the teeth of death in the name of freedom. And I just don't see the majority of young American men having the intestinal fortitude to be able to do that today.

I would agree, but the above holds true for this country's society in general, not just the young generation.

[twotimer]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/05/the-astonishing-age-of-a-neanderthal-cave-construction-site/484070/I'd say they figured the spirit that owned the land lived down there and they made offerings for better hunting.

Or maybe they were just trippin' on mushrooms.

[hank moon]

I'd say they figured the spirit that owned the land lived down there and they made offerings for better hunting.

Or maybe they were just trippin' on mushrooms.

:haha:


176,500 years - mind blown.