Let's Talk About Overcrowding at the ZNP

[rockgremlin]

With millions passing through Zion National Park every year, the question looms large: What to do with the ever increasing masses?


http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2017/07/18/raw-this-is-what-zion-national-park-might-do-to-solve-overcrowding-issues-how-to-comment/#.WW9hVoTyvRb

[moab mark]

How about stop advertising the living shizz out of the parks?

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[Iceaxe]

Industrialized tourism is destroying our National Parks. And I expect Arches NP to be next on the permit list.

[Brian in SLC]

High speed monorail with "selfies" quick stops at prominent locations.

Get folks in then out check that box, upload to facebook...on to the next park.

Trails will be uncrowded. Win win.

[rockgremlin]

Industrialized tourism is destroying our National Parks. And I expect Arches NP to be next on the permit list.


If you ask any environmentalist they'll tell you that COAL MINING is destroying our National Parks. WTF? Could someone please offer me a sane and rational explanation of just how exactly coal mining is destroying our National Parks?

This cleverly placed billboard is just across the street from Rocky Mountain Power on North Temple near Redwood Road, courtesy of Sierra Club.

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I'm all ears -- somebody please inform me how Arches National Park is being destroyed by coal.

#idiocracy #theskyisfalling

[Brian in SLC]

If you ask any environmentalist they'll tell you that COAL MINING is destroying our National Parks. WTF? Could someone please offer me a sane and rational explanation of just how exactly coal mining is destroying our National Parks?

This cleverly placed billboard is just across the street from Rocky Mountain Power on North Temple near Redwood Road, courtesy of Sierra Club.

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I'm all ears -- somebody please inform me how Arches National Park is being destroyed by coal.

#idiocracy #theskyisfalling

You're right...it is idiocracy.

Soon enough, folks will be pouring gatoraid on crops to see if they grow...and you'll have someone who'd been in a pro wrestling ring as president...oh wait, I guess that's now...ha ha. (Funny movie, but, kinda ominous if you consider reality).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3boy_tLWeqA

I'm sure someone will sell us on the benefits of breathing coal dust. Probably an offshoot of one of them Utah County multi level marketing firms like Nu Skin.

http://kutv.com/news/local/follow-the-profit-how-mormon-culture-made-utah-a-hotbed-for-multi-level-marketers

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/opinion/the-politics-of-fraudulent-dietary-supplements.html

At least our folks in congress are looking out for us...ha ha...

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/huge-new-strip-mine-near-bryce-canyon-bad-idea

Off the cuff, I can think of air quality as being a deal. Remember seeing the stars? Or, how many miles from the rim of the Grand Canyon you could see? Now? Not so much. Hazy.

Water quality? Remember that go 'round with the Gold King Mine in Colorado a couple years ago?

Not to mention noise pollution, truck traffic, scenery (a strip mine has no impact? Really?).

Funny timing on this topic...ate lunch today with a co-worker who left the DEQ who's job it was to oversee mining and coal. Bryce Canyon's coal situation was brought up. They toured rep's from Mike Lee's office as part of the onsite permit process. They had to draw the line when the political banner was rolled out for photo's...

Look at the purpose for National Parks..."the fundamental purpose is to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations."

Pave paradise, put up a parking lot...

[rockgremlin]

^^^OK, let's first acknowledge the fact that the Gold King Mine spill in Colorado was caused because of misunderstandings and ineptitude on the part of the EPA -- not the mine operator. I've read detailed accounts of what exactly took place there, and I couldn't believe what I was reading. "The trackhoe operator did WHAT?!" Unbelievable...

And secondly, I can guaran-damn-tee there is absolutely ZERO plans in the works to mine coal in Bryce Canyon. And whatever coal dust being generated at the Coal Hollow mine near Alton isn't drifting over and coating all of the buttes and spires in Bryce Canyon. That's all non-sense and scare tactics cooked up by the Sierra Club and Friends of Dixie, et al. They all make it out to sound like you can see the coal mine from the Bryce Canyon overlook. :roll:

[Brian in SLC]

http://www.sltrib.com/home/2718177-155/strip-mine-owner-with-history-of

http://www.seviercitizensforcleanairandwater.org/campaigns/massive-utah-strip-coal-mine-expansion/

[rockgremlin]

http://www.sltrib.com/home/2718177-155/strip-mine-owner-with-history-of


This article is two years old. And the information within this article is mixed -- some negative, and some positive.



http://www.seviercitizensforcleanairandwater.org/campaigns/massive-utah-strip-coal-mine-expansion/


This link is the epitome of the environmentalist scare tactic hogwash I was referring to. Let's break down the B.S., shall we?

1. Headline #1 ripped straight from the article:


Utah National Park Tourism ThreatenedSo, because some small time open pit coal mine operates just outside of Alton, tourism at Zion and Bryce Canyon is going to crumble? Nonsense...

Have you been to the Coal Hollow mine? You can't even see it from the main road. Cryin' out loud, it's 6.5 miles off of highway 89 on dirt roads. Most LOCALS don't even know where it is or how to get there, much less tourists. :roll:

In the mining world, Coal Hollow is small potatoes. The permit area is large, but the actual disturbed area at any given time is really quite small. The media LOVES to paint a picture of some massive strip mine throwing tons of coal dust all over the place, but the reality of the situation is that it's just not that ominous. Definitely not as ominous as the Sierra Club and the Salt Lake Tribune would have everyone believe.

2. Headline #2 straight from their article:


"Local Jobs and Nearby Towns Benefiting?


A nearby town, Alton, Utah near the Coal Hollow Mine has experienced a massive increase in semi truck traffic and gained zero jobs for local residents. The jobs provided by the mine have gone to specialists and out of state and area drivers...
^^^This, my friend, is an outright bold-faced lie. I've personally met with the mine operators and heavy machinery operators that work there -- many of whom LIVE IN ALTON.

3. Headline #3:



"Children and generations to come will be impacted."



The Alton mine creates horrendous truck traffic on U.S. Highway 89 already,” said a Salt Lake Tribune editorial opposing the proposal, “and such an expansion would ruin the quality of life for residents and discourage the wealth of tourists.” The Trib called a larger mine “unconscionable.




The headline promises the mine will "impact children" --- and then turns around and qualifies that by stating that it would "...affect the wealth of tourists." WTF does that even mean? Affect the wealth of tourists? :roflol: While I appreciate the non-nonsensical (albeit passionate) narrative, the author of this editorial needs to come with something stronger than just emotions backed up with no facts.

And another thing --- why does Sevier County give two $hits about what goes on in Kane County...two full counties south of Sevier County? I'm guessing Kane County is probably pleased to have the mine there.

[Sombeech]

I'm still waiting for those oil rigs to pop up within site of Delicate Arch, then I can fly my drone over it and give the ol' National Parks a double whammy

[Sombeech]

I'm sure someone will sell us on the benefits of breathing coal dust. Probably an offshoot of one of them Utah County multi level marketing firms like Nu Skin.

I'm not waiting to hear the benefits, I'm just waiting to hear about the harm the coal dust is doing to Arches, without changing the topic to Mormonism.

[Brian in SLC]

I'm not waiting to hear the benefits, I'm just waiting to hear about the harm the coal dust is doing to Arches, without changing the topic to Mormonism.

Trib article that came up in a google earth...helps to understand the audience (ha ha).

Arches is a symbol for all national parks, right? Delicate arch. You know, like on your license plate...

Anyhoo...my take is the hubbub is over expansion of a strip mine near a national park.

Funny...pull up NOAA and see the weather forecast for Alton Utah. Its the "current conditions at Bryce Canyon Airport". Wind direction and speed? WSW at 15mph.

So, if you were dust from, say, an open pit coal mine...what direction would the wind have to blow to reach Bryce National Park?

And, what level of coal dust is acceptable for you and your family to breathe? The DEQ monitors it, right? What level is safe for how long?

Besides being an eyesore...strip mines are messy. There's always a water concern (see google earth and the ponds adjacent to this mine for example) too. I'm sure it'll be someone from the EPA's fault if the area's water gets contaminated...

(As an aside, the recent NOVA special on Flint Michigan's water was interesting...).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/poisoned-water.html

Health side effects from coal mining?

https://www.hcs.harvard.edu/hghr/print/spring-2011/coal-mining/

The employment picture?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865678145/Report-Trump-policies-may-do-little-to-help-boost-Utah-coal-mining-jobs.html

How many people does that strip mine employ? 36?

Annual revenue is 5 million?

How many people in Cedar City work in solar?

Price for coal? Historical high and low? Emerging industry or hanger on?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865635654/Utah-coal-A-story-of-families-jobs-and-Americas-future.html

Its tough sleddin' out there for coal mining. Maybe some level is sustainable...but industry expansion?

Crazy industry...these boom and bust resources.

Wonder how much the price of a barrel of crude on the world market is a player?

[middlefork]

I find it entertaining that people on a website that promotes all things outdoor recreation related with a decided emphasis on southern Utah red rock are complaining about overcrowding in a Utah national park.

Could it be that people have over promoted the experience? I'm not one to know the answer as the last time I saw fit to be part of the problem was about 1973.There are plenty of other places to see.

[rockgremlin]

I forgot to mention that the local land owners around Alton are getting paid some pretty handsome royalties. Almost without exception all of the ranchers promote as much coal mining as possible. More coal mining = more royalty money.

I'm really trying not to tip my hand as to why and how I am familiar with Coal Hollow. I don't work for them but I have my eyes on them on almost a daily basis. And I can assure you they're not the devil the media makes them out to be.

The attached images show areas of their mine that have been fully reclaimed.

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This used to be an open strip mine. It's now a reclaimed field, restored to approximate original contour.

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Again, this open field used to be a dirty, ugly, coal filled gash. It's now been fully reclaimed and restored to approximate original contour. Those structures in the foreground are air monitors that take samples of the ambient air several times a day. What looks like rocks behind the air monitors is actually a rip-rap lined reclaimed water channel.

The Sage Grouse populations that live on the permit area are flourishing.

But let's shut them down because coal is evil...:roll:

[Brian in SLC]

I find it entertaining that people on a website that promotes all things outdoor recreation related with a decided emphasis on southern Utah red rock are complaining about overcrowding in a Utah national park.

Could it be that people have over promoted the experience? I'm not one to know the answer as the last time I saw fit to be part of the problem was about 1973.There are plenty of other places to see.

Not to mention promoting strip mining of coal, anti-EPA, anti-environmentalism, climate change denying, pro extraction industries, anti outdoor retailers...

Ha ha.

We're a diverse crowd, to be sure.

Celebrate that diversity!

[rockgremlin]

So that's it? I post first hand evidence of a coal mine acting responsibly and the response I get is...sarcasm. SMH

[rockgremlin]

I find it entertaining that people on a website that promotes all things outdoor recreation related with a decided emphasis on southern Utah red rock are complaining about overcrowding in a Utah national park.

Too be fair...I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering how the parks service is going to manage this issue. It's a big problem that's only gonna get worse if mismanaged.

How do you think it ought to be handled? Permits only? Reservation system for all or most of the park? Locals only? (Haha) How is this same problem addressed at other parks like Yellowstone and Yosemite for example?

[middlefork]

Too be fair...I'm not complaining, I'm just wondering how the parks service is going to manage this issue. It's a big problem that's only gonna get worse if mismanaged.

How do you think it ought to be handled? Permits only? Reservation system for all or most of the park? Locals only? (Haha) How is this same problem addressed at other parks like Yellowstone and Yosemite for example?

Yosemite is toying with vehicle restrictions per day. Once the cap is reached it goes to one out / one in.

Seems like all the camping in National Parks are pretty much reserved sites. Just set the system up so you reserve a day/s stay/use up to a month in advance. Would it suck? Sure it would but really no different than a concert or ball game.

I'm sure you could get creative with a pricing grid to demand more money during peak days or weeks. Maybe it would help with the maintenance deficit.

[middlefork]

Oh and that sure is a pretty reclaimed coal mine! :2thumbs:

[rockgremlin]

Oh and that sure is a pretty reclaimed coal mine! :2thumbs:

I almost hesitate to post stuff like that because the popular perception is so strong against mining that the second anybody casts a positive light on it they're immediately burned at the stake.

And what really grinds my gears is that the people that are most vocal against it are typically those that are the least informed.

[rockgremlin]

I'm not waiting to hear the benefits, I'm just waiting to hear about the harm the coal dust is doing to Arches, without changing the topic to Mormonism.

Oh what do YOU know? You HATE outdoor recreation, remember?

[Iceaxe]

And what really grinds my gears is that the people that are most vocal against it are typically those that are the least informed.

^^^THIS^^^

I've visited several reclaimed mine sites both before and after and they really do a good job of reclaimimg. It's not like the mines were in the most scenic places to begin with. The sites are often an ugly sagebrush flat before mining and is returned to an ugly sagebrush flat after.

And I'm willing to bet if I took most of you to four sites, one of which was a reclaimed mine, most of you would guess wrong as to which site was the reclaimed mine.

[Scott P]

I've visited several reclaimed mine sites both before and after and they really do a good job of reclaimimg

I agree 100%, but that's because they have to by law. Before the law was passed, they didn't do any reclamation. If the law was repealed, they would go back to the other way because reclamation often cost more than the mining itself (especially strip mines). That's why mining companies are required to secure a bond before mining a new area.

Some mines are actually required to add wildlife habitat and improve (in theory at least) the land rather than just restore it to pre-mining condition. For the strip mine south of town, for example, much of the brush land was converted to grassland for wildlife (mostly elk habitat). So, it is true that most modern mines do an excellent job of reclaiming the land (because they have to by law rather than out of the goodness of their hearts).

The real issue with coal mines/power plants is air pollution. In my own experience, coal mining companies and communities aren't always honest about what they are putting into the air.

Of course we need power and all use it (me included-my power bill is around $30 a month), as we should (an advanced civilization needs power-I fully support using power and energy), but I see no reason why there shouldn't be an effort to do it cleanly. If it cost a few extra bucks a month, so be it.

[uintafly]

I think we are pretty much screwed when it comes to crowds. We have an overbreeding problem and if we don't get that fixed our national parks will be the least of our problems.

I just got back from a week in Yellowstone and the crowds were insane at the roadside attractions. Sometimes 15 minute waits just to park. Grand Prismatic Spring is pretty cool, but when you are fighting for space with 500 of your closest friends it kind of kills the experience. Of course as soon as you got off the road about 1 mile the crowds were a distant memory. I did joke that I would jump on the Trump train if he would restrict the national parks to citizens only from Memorial Day to Labor Day.

[Iceaxe]

FWIW - if we fix our over breeding problem the liberal house of cards known as social entitlements will calapes.... Just sayin'

[Bootboy]

Denali National Park asks people not to post on social media. Specifically not to reveal the locations of any off trail destinations. Not a bad idea, but I'm afraid it's too late for that policy to be effective in places like Zion.

[Iceaxe]

Social media is not the problem, it's the multi million dollar ad campaigns that are the problem.

[Bootboy]

While I agree that over advertising is a huge contributing factor. I don't think you can completely absolve social media of all responsibility.

You can't tell me that all of the pictures of the subway posted on Instagram and Facebook have had zero impact on people's exposure to and subsequent desire to see it.


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[Iceaxe]

I agree that social media is part of the problem, it just pales in comparison to the industrialized tourist industry.

How many Facebook posts would be eliminated if the tourists were not first enticed by multi million dollar ad campaigns? This is a bit of the chicken and egg argument.

[jman]

I had this article bookmarked a while back as this thread reminded me of it: Is Instagram Ruining the Great Outdoors? https://www.outsideonline.com/2160416/instagram-ruining-great-outdoors.

It’s stuff we mostly already know but it is good perspective on taking a 2nd thought about sharing the pictures online or telling people of directions on how to get there.

I thought that was smart that parks are not only using sharing great pictures of the National Parks with us but also educating. Zion NP for example shares blips of the local flora/fauna that is found there, or recent graffiti found in the park, or don’t build cairns farms on Angels Landing. Not criticizing people specifically, but criticizing the practice. And so on.


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[accadacca]

Zion National Park’s visitor use management planning group has released preliminary alternative concepts. The alternatives are intended to address the unacceptable impacts to park resources, and the quality of visitor experience associated with the unsustainable growth in visitation.

The public has two more weeks to comment on these alternative concepts during the comment period which ends on August 14, 2017. Comments can be submitted by going to the National Park Service, Planning, Environment, and Public Comment (PEPC) website at: https://parkplanning.nps.gov/projectHome.cfm?projectID=58542. Once on the website, select “Open for Comment.”

Comments can also be sent via U.S. Mail to:
Zion National Park
Attn: Visitor Use Planning
State Route 9
Springdale, UT 84767

[rockgremlin]

Comments can also be sent via U.S. Mail to:

:roflol:

I'll be sending my comments via Pony Express. Spare no horseflesh...

[twotimer]

I recently spent a week living at the campground there. Riding my bike to and from town for food/supplies.

There are certainly a lot of people, but I don't think it's "overcrowded". IMO, two things need to be done...first, separate the big parking lot from the park. Nearly everyone just parks and heads for the VC or the shuttles anyway. Build an off ramp before the entrance and then the folks passing thru don't have to wait. I saw lines clear up the the Subway on the hill. They can have another walk up station along with the one near the bridge.

Also, that campground is a friggin' mess. It hasn't changed since my first visit in 1989. The bathrooms are pathetic, at least. It all needs to be cleaned up and updated. Perhaps arrange for more capacity.

Do those two things and I think everything there would be honky dory.

[Iceaxe]

All it takes is money...

As an engineer I'm asked daily "can you fix this" or "can you build that" and my reply is always the same "I can do anything if you give me enough time and money".

[Scott P]

All it takes is money...

As an engineer I'm asked daily "can you fix this" or "can you build that" and my reply is always the same "I can do anything if you give me enough time and money".

I agree 100%, but while visitor use is increasing, funding is being cut.

The only solutions to this are either raise the fees, fund the parks properly, or live with what we have. Personally I'd rather see the parks funded rather than throwing our money into problems for countries that don't share our values.

[rockgremlin]

Major renovations and upgrades to our National Parks here at home.....or.....bomb Syria.

It's a tough call. :roll:

[2065toyota]

Simple supply and demand curve. Raise the prices a little. I have no problem with charging non citizens a higher fee also. I do a lot of out of state hunting, and the tags are always drastically more money. That's just life and how it goes, I don't feel like I'm being dealt with badly in any way

[oldno7]

Simple supply and demand curve. Raise the prices a little. I have no problem with charging non citizens a higher fee also. I do a lot of out of state hunting, and the tags are always drastically more money. That's just life and how it goes, I don't feel like I'm being dealt with badly in any way


^^^^^
Exactly this....

Then chip away the nps bureaucracy.

Drain the swamp, it will free up vast resources in all services.

[oldno7]

upon further thought, at least a 50-100% increase in gate fees.

If you can't swing it, save until you can or get another job.

The current fee's are part of what causes folks to treat National treasures like route 66 side shows.

[Scott P]

Then chip away the nps bureaucracy.

Drain the swamp, it will free up vast resources in all services.

Now days many (maybe even most?) of the NPS workers are unpaid volunteers.

[oldno7]

Now days many (maybe even most?) of the NPS workers are unpaid volunteers.

You're thinking blue color...

I'm thinking starting at the top, thats where the largest waste lies.

And not just personnel but un necessary programs.

And yes, I would volunteer my time to delve out the much needed cuts...

[Scott P]

And not just personnel but un necessary programs.

Examples?

I have to admit I miss the old campfire programs they used to have.

[tallsteve]

I have to admit I miss the old campfire programs they used to have.

Timp Cave (a National Monument), still holds these every Monday night. We've taken our family to several of them. The most interesting ones were about the rattlesnakes found in the canyon and another one on the history of the canyon. Very worthwhile.

[Rob L]

It's not only a problem in the US NPS. The world is suffering from tourism overload (too many people having too much time and too much money).

Recent example in Spain:

Barcelona unveils new law to keep tourists away.
Barcelona is likely to give the go-ahead today to new legislation aimed at curbing tourism. The law would limit the construction of hotels and stop licenses being issued to new tourist accommodation rentals, and would remain in place until arrivals to the city fall to more a manageable number.

Last year, an estimated 32 million tourists visited Barcelona, far outnumbering its 1.6 million residents. Anyone who has been in recent years will have witnessed the crowds on its most famous drag, La Ramblas, and clogging up the Barri Gotic’s narrow streets.

But overcrowding aside, the city has been a victim of its own success, with strained resources and unsustainable property price increases causing tension among locals. In a city council survey last year, Barcelona residents said they thought tourism was a major problem in the city – second only to unemployment.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/spain/catalonia/barcelona/articles/barcelona-unveils-new-law-to-keep-tourists-away/

[Scott P]

On the plus side, it's great that people are getting out to enjoy the outdoors for exercise. At least that's applicable to the people who actually hike, bike, climb, etc.

[uintafly]

Simple supply and demand curve. Raise the prices a little. I have no problem with charging non citizens a higher fee also. I do a lot of out of state hunting, and the tags are always drastically more money. That's just life and how it goes, I don't feel like I'm being dealt with badly in any way

I think this is a good idea. I just paid around $35 for a 5 day fishing license in Idaho, which is about what I pay for a full year for my Utah resident license. Lots of other countries and cities do similar things for their tourist destinations. Should be pretty easy to say if you have a U.S. drivers license or passport or you pay twice the fee.

[twotimer]

Well, there's a few bucks being kicked to Zion.

While I was there, they were running a test of the new shuttle buses...big, modern, air conditioned and electric. They're too big for the loop right there at the VC shuttle stop, so they'll have to do some asphalt work.

One of the drivers told me they have 8 coming and 8 more on order. The old ones are falling apart. A couple I rode in sounded like they were not long for this world.

I was thinking about how much this park rakes in every day in the season and can't believe that it's not enough. I wonder what the budget for the park is...I'd like to see what they spend the money on.

[Sombeech]

I had this article bookmarked a while back as this thread reminded me of it: Is Instagram Ruining the Great Outdoors? https://www.outsideonline.com/2160416/instagram-ruining-great-outdoors.

It’s stuff we mostly already know but it is good perspective on taking a 2nd thought about sharing the pictures online or telling people of directions on how to get there.

Social Media plays a part in getting people to the Great Outdoors, BUT...

The basic motive for posting images to social media from the outdoors, for MOST of the popular accounts, is the notion that going outdoors and into the mountains is somehow making you a better person, that the very act of going on a hike up a scenic trail was somehow being a better humanitarian.

The same goes for RUNNING for hell's sake. When you run, you are NOT FEEDING THE HUNGRY nor CURING CANCER. But for some damned reason, we think that Runners are selfless, giving humanitarians, offering their time and skills to build water canals for the desert villages.

When we honor the outdoorsy folks and equate them with humanitarians, THAT is the problem. We have this idea that a running girl in the picture on the scenic trail above the treeline is somehow donating 50% of her paycheck to Venezuelan orphans, when in reality she's running for a better ass.

Somebody who gets that SICK sunset shot of the Horseshoe bend is also saving the rain forests from their laptop when they're back home in their Seattle studio apartment sipping a Mocha from the local coffee shop (Not Starbucks!)

So with all that being said, everybody sees these SICKBRO photos online from their favorite Tiny House owner, and now they want to get that same shot and let everybody else know that they support baby Polar Bears just like the celebrities.

In the end, it's selfishness. I post a lot of photo and video online, so I've got a horse in this race, and yes I can legitimately say it's out of praise and selfishness. I'm not donating to any charities, and some of you know that I hate the outdoors.

If the photographer is truly taking the shot to remember the experience, they wouldn't share it online, they would just get it printed and hang it in their home.

Now, Mountain Bikers, on the other hand, they are not humanitarians. They are jackasses. Runners are heroes, bikers are irresponsible kids.

[uintafly]

In the runners defense Beech, a nice ass can cheer me up. If that's not humanitarian work, what is?

#vanlife

[jman]

Social Media plays a part in getting people to the Great Outdoors, BUT...

The basic motive for posting images to social media from the outdoors, for MOST of the popular accounts, is the notion that going outdoors and into the mountains is somehow making you a better person, that the very act of going on a hike up a scenic trail was somehow being a better humanitarian.

The same goes for RUNNING for hell's sake. When you run, you are NOT FEEDING THE HUNGRY nor CURING CANCER. But for some damned reason, we think that Runners are selfless, giving humanitarians, offering their time and skills to build water canals for the desert villages.

When we honor the outdoorsy folks and equate them with humanitarians, THAT is the problem. We have this idea that a running girl in the picture on the scenic trail above the treeline is somehow donating 50% of her paycheck to Venezuelan orphans, when in reality she's running for a better ass.

Somebody who gets that SICK sunset shot of the Horseshoe bend is also saving the rain forests from their laptop when they're back home in their Seattle studio apartment sipping a Mocha from the local coffee shop (Not Starbucks!)

So with all that being said, everybody sees these SICKBRO photos online from their favorite Tiny House owner, and now they want to get that same shot and let everybody else know that they support baby Polar Bears just like the celebrities.

In the end, it's selfishness. I post a lot of photo and video online, so I've got a horse in this race, and yes I can legitimately say it's out of praise and selfishness. I'm not donating to any charities, and some of you know that I hate the outdoors.

If the photographer is truly taking the shot to remember the experience, they wouldn't share it online, they would just get it printed and hang it in their home.

Now, Mountain Bikers, on the other hand, they are not humanitarians. They are jackasses. Runners are heroes, bikers are irresponsible kids.

Haha. Great post. I was literal LOLing at my desk at work.

I have friends that post every weekend about how glorious their vacation was to Zion, Moab, the lake, the mountains, and rarely add any substance to it.

Like for example, a friend of a friend posted a close-up post of herself and her two friends (all 3 ladies, blondes, and blue-eyed) at the Pyscho Block in Park City (the one where they rock climb that overhangs a Olympic size pool). The problem for me was they posted this picture with NO climbers actually climbing and captioned it with this, verbatim “Love watching these skilled climbers! Love PsicoBlock! #rockclimbing #hotgirls #BeUtahFul #ParkCity #ILoveTheOutdoors”

These girls know they are cute and are passively saying “look at these climbers” but the attention is ALL on the 3. It’s the breed that is starving for attention and thrive on the replies that say “wow, y’all are so hot” and “wow, beautiful eyes” etc. No comments on the event or the sport, etc. just all of the comments on the girls.

That stuff literally makes me lose my mind. They are the ones who want to be the instant celebrities, but have no reason to be famous.




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[Sombeech]

In the runners defense Beech, a nice ass can cheer me up. If that's not humanitarian work, what is?

#vanlife
Yeah but they'll rarely admit that's why they run. It's always some BS about "being free" or "giving my ALL to the run" or "finding my true self", but these are all second place next to trying to become more sexually attractive.

But eww, eww, girls don't like sex, ewwwww gross you pervert

[Sombeech]

Haha. Great post. I was literal LOLing at my desk at work.



:gents:

[rockgremlin]

Yeah but they'll rarely admit that's why they run. It's always some BS about "being free" or "giving my ALL to the run" or "finding my true self", but these are all second place next to trying to become more sexually attractive.

But eww, eww, girls don't like sex, ewwwww gross you pervert

:roflol:

This is so true. They wanna look so hot in that outfit, but when I bring sex into the conversation I'm slapped and called a pervert. What the hell?