War on Terror

[accadacca]

Ok, let's start a new thread. I've been glued to the TV.

They now have a second suspect from the Paris attacks and a soccer match was cancelled in Germany today after they got a hot lead about a potential bomb threat.

One hot item is should the US put boots on the ground in Syria? Will it make a difference at all? Is ISIS and ISIL a global organization? If the answer is yes then how do you stop the attacks?

ISIL has stated the Washington is next...

[accadacca]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=1rn8KsjKTrI

[accadacca]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/17/bc06248e74c1399014c86df0d0740bad.jpg

[BruteForce]

First: We should never have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to begin with. Clearly, these goat f*ckers only understand brutal strength, ala their former incumbent dictators.

Second: Now that we've created a power vacuum, we need to either "shit or get off the pot". As for me, I think we take power in the middle east, leverage the oil and access that Iraq & Afghanistan afford and setup shop for the long-term, much like we did in conquered and occupied Europe & Japan. If we're going to expend blood and money in a region, there's ZERO ROI in just walking out afterward and leaving our infrastructure and equipment without some return.

[BruteForce]

Your graphic is misleading. UT and Colorado are still accepting refugees. Where did you get that? This is the most current last I saw:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/content.washingtonexaminer.biz/web-producers/111715-Syrian-Refugee-map-0517pm.jpg

A growing number of U.S. states are saying they either won't take in refugees from Syria, or are asking members of Congress to stop the Obama administration from placing refugees in their state.
As of Tuesday morning, the following states were opposed to taking refugees — most have Republican governors, although New Hampshire has a Democratic governor:


Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Mississippi
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Wisconsin
Wyoming

[accadacca]

Wow...

Air France plane diverted to SLC International airport due to bomb threat

[accadacca]

Your graphic is misleading. UT and Colorado are still accepting refugees. Where did you get that? This is the most current last I saw:
Saw it while surfing Facebook...Fox News:

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/photos/a.184044921335.134777.15704546335/10153843570716336/?type=3&theater

[oldno7]

winning hearts and minds is liberal talk....

Turn our military loose to annihilate the enemy and whatever is left, will see things our way, if not--kill them too.

Our mistake with Iraq, was not going there with the intent to make it a state, as part of USA!!

Its time to drastically change ROE, to favor our own fighting men, or actually, not have any ROE...

[Scott P]

Instead of going into Iraq, we should have eliminated the Taliban in Afghanistan (since they were the ones protecting those who attacked us) by any means possible (short of the nuclear attack). There would have been a lot of collateral damage, but it would have been immediate. Immediate collateral damage is better than collateral damage stretched out over decades. It would have also scared other countries into thinking twice before supporting terrorism.

In Iraq and Syria, much of the problem is that many of these groups don't want a country as we think of one. They want their clan or family or tribe or whatever to have absolute authority over everyone else in their sphere of influence. That's why the only time some of these countries are relatively stable is under a brutal dictatorship who rules with an iron fist and executes all detractors, which why it was a mistake to take out Saddam and would be a mistake to take out Assad.

[accadacca]

Big shakedown last night in Paris...

2 dead, 7 arrested after terror raid in Paris

A seven-hour siege by police at an apartment in the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis ended Wednesday with the arrest of seven people with suspected links to the Paris attacks. Two suspects, including a female suicide bomber who detonated explosives as police entered the apartment, were killed.

The area was still being secured amid reports that police have entered a church. Few details were available and the number of deaths and arrests may rise.

The raid was targeting the suspected mastermind of the attacks that killed at least 129 people. But it was not clear whether Abdelhamid Abaaoud, 27, a Belgian national, was in the apartment in Saint-Denis at the time or what his link to the operation was.

Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said phone data and eyewitness statements led police to the apartment as part of the manhunt for Abaaoud.

Earlier, periodic gunfire and explosions could be heard in the area, which is in a northern part of Paris, about 5-6 miles from the city center, and close to the Stade de France stadium, where three suicide bombers blew themselves up Friday.

Jawad Ben Dow, a man identified by French broadcaster BFMTV as the owner of an apartment on the street where the raid took place, said he let some of the suspects take refuge in his home. "I didn't know they were terrorists," he said. "Someone asked me to put two people up for three days and I did them a favor," he said.

Dow was subsequently arrested.

In an address to French mayors in Paris, President Francois Hollande said that the Islamic State — the militant group claimed responsibility — was a grave threat to the entire world and that a large coalition needed to be built to counter its activities.

He said we will travel to Washington on Tuesday to hold talks with President Obama and to Moscow on Thursday for discussions with President Vladimir Putin.

He said that Charles de Gaulle, a French aircraft carrier, was on its way to the Middle East to support France's military operations in Syria.

Hollande also agreed to support mayors seeking to arm their municipal police forces.

At least five policemen were moderately injured during the operation, which began in the early hours of Wednesday morning at about 4:30 a.m. Paris time.

The suicide bomber blew herself up as police attempted to enter the apartment. Details on the identities of those killed and arrested were not made available.

A police dog called "Diesel" was also killed in the security operation.

Residents of the working class area were evacuated and placed in shelters in the town hall, French journalist Djamel Mazi said on Twitter. Schools and shops were closed and residents were urged to remain indoors. No hostages were being held.

The French government said Wednesday that all 129 victim's of Friday's attacks have now been identified.

Europe remains on high alert after Friday's attacks that have left more than 400 people wounded, with dozens still in the hospital in intensive care.

On Tuesday night, German authorities cancelled an exhibition game between Germany and the Netherlands amid a bomb scare.

Police in Turkey meanwhile said they detained eight people Wednesday at an airport in Istanbul with suspected links to the Islamic State. The men may have been preparing to enter Germany illegally, the country's state-run Andalou news agency said.

http://usat.ly/1j6QR5X

[accadacca]

France doesn't pussy foot around...they are kickin' ass.

[tallsteve]

My youngest son returned from serving in the France Paris Mission 2 years ago. His last area was Saint-Denis. He said the train stop they would always use to and from their apartment was right across the street from the stadium. At the time, he purposely didn't tell us much about that area where he lived because he said we'd always be worried about his safety. Scary stuff.

[Iceaxe]

If you want to understand what's happening in Syria this short video is a good place to start. And than you will have a basic understanding of what the problem is and who do we actually go to war with.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgi9tz3IZWQ

[Iceaxe]

Instead of going into Iraq, we should have eliminated the Taliban in Afghanistan

I agree.... After 9-11 the Bush the administration should have focused its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda.

....but...

As Richard Clarke, the former National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism for the United States writes in his book... he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.

“Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq,” Clarke said to Stahl. “And we all said … no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren’t any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, ‘Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it."

“Initially, I thought when he said, ‘There aren’t enough targets in Afghanistan," I thought he was joking.

[accadacca]

Soda Can Bomb...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSW6QRG8A1s

[Iceaxe]

I have the solution to this problem.... we just need to put up some signs like the one below, that should fix things....

http://i63.tinypic.com/i6mek6.jpg

[oldno7]

You guys worry too much, hillary has this........

[oldno7]

of course the FBI, might not agree with hilary

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4620801709001/dr-gorka-dont-wait-for-uncle-sam-to-protect-you/?#sp=show-clips

[oldno7]

at least zero, understands


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsUJ2wu0iX4

[Scott P]

Democrats = weak with terrorism
Republican = support and enable terrorism

Time for some new parties!

[BruteForce]

Democrats = weak with terrorism
Republican = support and enable terrorism

Time for some new parties!

I beg to differ. Current admin = Terrorism enablers and has enabled ISIS and Iran.

[Scott P]

http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/metro/blue/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Scott P http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/metro/blue/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?p=574075#post574075)
Democrats = weak with terrorism
Republican = support and enable terrorism

Time for some new parties!



I beg to differ. Current admin = Terrorism enablers and has enabled ISIS and Iran.

History lesson:

1. Although Carter started it, more than anyone it was Reagan who armed and supported the Islamic terrorists/Mujaheddin (the predecessors to the Taliban and Al Qaeda). The arming and supporting of the terrorists was known as Operation Cyclone (1979-1989) and is no secret or conspiracy. It is a well known historical event. (Not to mention Reagan's support of Saddam Hussein).


2. When Clinton sent missiles to the training camps in Afghanistan in August 1998, the Republicans called "Wag the Dog" and said that the attack was unnecessary and just a diversion from the Monica Lewiski scandal and that the Islamic training camps in Afghanistan as well as Al Qaeda were not a threat to the US.

3. Bush attacked Iraq rather than focusing on those who attacked us. The blunder was not in believing that Saddam had WMD (most people did), but taking the focus off the terrorist who attacked us and believing that Iraq would become a peaceful Democracy that would spread to the rest of the Middle East.

In Iraq and Syria, much of the problem is that many of these groups don't want a country as we think of one. They want their clan or family or tribe or whatever to have absolute authority over everyone else in their sphere of influence. That's why the only time some of these countries are relatively stable is under a brutal dictatorship who rules with an iron fist and executes all detractors, which why it was a mistake to take out Saddam and would be a mistake to take out Assad.

4. Historically, going back even further than this, the 1953 Iranian coup d'état (again by a Republican president) is another source of the mess in the Middle East.

5. That said, the Democrats aren't innocent in the matter either. Obama is still supporting the Syrian opposition to topple Assad and adding to the instability and letting arms fall into the hands of extremists (see the end of note #3). If Assad is toppled, the results won't be any different then they are in Iraq (not that they are anyway). Apparently, not enough lessons were learned from Iraq. Clinton also did a lot of supporting of countries (such as Pakistan) that he shouldn't have. Obama has also been weak in trying to eliminate ISIS.

I will not be a Democrat for several ideological reasons (handouts vs. working on providing employment), and I am no fan of Obama, and the Democrats have plenty of blood on thier hands, but the Republicans still share more blame than the Democrats (although the Democrats are hardly innocent) for the current terror situation.

It's time for a new party. Thus far, the 2016 candidates are a joke.

[caverdan]

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[accadacca]

I guess the female who blew herself up...the blast was so severe that it blew her head and spine out the window...landing on a police car.

[Scott P]

The next few weeks could prove interesting. Now they have pissed off the Chinese. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ktBR94F4w. I wonder if they will pick on North Korea?

Good. It's about time other countries unite against ISIS.

[Brian in SLC]

I beg to differ. Current admin = Terrorism enablers and has enabled ISIS and Iran.

Uhh...you know Iran and ISIS aren't friendly, right?

Like that video that Shane posted...its a funky cocktail of whacky wierdness.

Maybe we could trade some arms for hostages, and illegally arm some Central American country while we're at it. We'll wait until after the election so there isn't an "October surprise".

Current admin...Bin Laden? Al Qaeda who?

Iran...hmm...go to the gas pump lately? What do you think Russia's and Iran's relationship is based on?

Politics...ugh...lot a haters out there in cyberland...and its a tightrope...can't make everyone happy...not a lot of US combat fatalities lately...I think that's a good thing.

Read an article on Operation Inherent Resolve recently...

My thoughts are that ISIS is grasping at straws...they're losing ground, losing people, losing power. Lashing out the only way they can. Hopefully not sustainable.

Current admin, previous admin...easy to judge with the benefit of hindsight. Mistakes, no doubt, are and have been made.

Arab Spring....Arab Winter...

Crazy times. Glad I visited Turkey (and Paris) this time last year...(and not this year)...

Scott, I always appreciate your put...thanks.