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Iceaxe
01-09-2015, 09:28 AM
If Obama can actually pull this off I'll take back all the bad things I've said about him. Education is the key to success both as an individual and a country. We educate our kids to the 12th grade for free (so to speak), so I see no reason we can't extent schooling two more years.

Yes, we pay to educate our kids to the 12th grade, but we get it back on the other end ten fold when we tax the crap out of them for the rest of their lives at higher paying jobs.

Thoughts....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QDfEMXAgk

WASHINGTON -- President Obama will propose two years of free community college for American workers Friday, part of what the White House says is an effort to make community college as universal as high school is today.

Obama teased his community college proposal in a video uploaded to Facebook on Thursday and will deliver a speech Friday in Tennessee.

"Put simply, what I'd like to do is to see the first two years of community college free for anybody who's willing to work for it," he said aboard Air Force One amid a three-state tour to preview his State of the Union Address. "It's something we can accomplish, and it's something that will train our workforce so that we can compete with anyone in the world."

The program would require action from a Republican-dominated Congress. "With no details or information on the cost, this seems more like a talking point than a plan," said Cory Fritz, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

The White House said details on the cost and funding would come in the State of the Union Address on Jan. 20 and the president's budget request Feb. 2. But the White House expects 9 million students to participate and save up to $3,800 a year for two years. That would place the cost at nearly $70 billion, though there are questions about building capacity at the nation's 1,100 community colleges.

The federal government would pay three quarters of the cost, at least initially.

In some ways, the community college plan is a bookend to Obama's 2013 proposal to pay for universal pre-Kindergarten through a state and federal partnership. That $75 billion proposal, which relied on dwindling tobacco tax money to provide federal matching funds, never got traction in Congress.

But Cecilia Munoz, Obama's domestic policy adviser, said Obama's pre-K proposal spurred state and local governments to increase the number and quality of preschool offerings, and hopes the college proposal will do the same. "We don't expect the country to be transformed overnight, but we do expect the conversation to begin tomorrow," she said.

Obama, joined by Vice President Biden, will announce the plan at Pellissippi Community College in Knoxville, Tenn. Obama's plan is modeled after the Tennessee Promise -- a state-level free-college plan starting this fall, paid for with Tennessee Lottery proceeds.

That plan, Munoz noted, has support from Republican lawmakers in Tennessee.

Munoz said the college plan would require the cooperation of states, community colleges and students. States would have to pick up a quarter of the cost -- more or less depending on how much they currently fund community colleges.

"Community colleges have to raise their game by establishing standards to allow students to transfer those credits to a four-year degree," she said. "And students must take responsibility for their education, earn good grades and stay on track to graduate in order to earn free tuition."

The America's College Promise program would be available to traditional and non-traditional college students, she said, and would support those seeking the first two years of a bachelor's degree, an associate's degree, or even just job training.

Obama said a world-class education starts with children, but that adults need training, too. "It's not just for kids, we also have to make sure that everybody has the opportunity to constantly train themselves for better jobs, better wages, better benefits."

nelsonccc
01-09-2015, 10:36 AM
I agree but I'm wary about any additional government involvement. Everything they touch turns to crap. Seems like a good idea but I'd be worried about corruption, mismanagement, and mis-use, however; I'm ALL for additional competition in the college arena. The skyrocketing college costs way heavily on me as my daughters turn into teenagers.

qedcook
01-09-2015, 11:35 AM
Almost everything the government does nowadays is a power-grab that's masquerading as a "program" meant to help. The current government officials want to control everything they can, college education included.

Iceaxe
01-09-2015, 12:50 PM
With one kid in college and one kid a year away they will probably get this done just as my kids graduate.

Anyhoo... to me the concept is outstanding, the devil will be in the details.

double moo
01-09-2015, 08:21 PM
Now, if we just had some 2 year colleges handy...

Scott P
01-10-2015, 01:27 PM
Obama's plan is modeled after the Tennessee Promise -- a state-level free-college plan starting this fall, paid for with Tennessee Lottery proceeds.

Guess that part wouldn't work in Utah.

Iceaxe
01-10-2015, 01:41 PM
The Lottery is just a tax, it's voluntary which is nice, but it's still nothing but a tax. In other words it's easy to fund depending on how you want to tax it.

Personally I have no problem paying for this as you would get a great return as a nation on the back end.

Scott P
01-10-2015, 01:59 PM
but we get it back on the other end ten fold when we tax the crap out of them for the rest of their lives at higher paying jobs.

Assuming the graduate. Also, I don't understand why so many colleges offer degrees that are basically worthless. Some degrees are almost completely worthless for both those who are in college and taxpayers.

Anyway, I'm for reducing the price of college. I don