Bear chases Mountain Biker - Video

[Don]

I did a search, didn't look like this had already been posted...

Sweet Vid. But why did he get off at the end?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0pO79YkvY&feature=youtu.be

[rockgremlin]

Oh my hell! That is terrifying! And yeah I'm with you...why did he get off at the end? I don't think I would've stopped pedaling until my wheels fell off -- or I was overcome and mauled, whichever came first.

[bigred72]

It's a fake.

[Don]

Yeah, co-workers were debating fake or real too. Looks real enough, but what do I know? What makes you think it's a fake?

[accadacca]

Fake...

[bigred72]

The bear runs like it wants a hug, not a meal.

[Byron]

He got off the bike because of the downed log...doesn't look faked to me. I think if that bear was out for blood, that guy would have been toast.

[BruteForce]

I call fake too. The bear image seems inserted. The bear's feet don't appear to be touching the ground and the image of the bear is so much more crisp than the surroundings. Here's a photo clip:

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[Scott P]

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[Scott P]

He should have just done this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIWmmbbALok

[Tlaloc]

The G. bear can run as fast as a race horse and could easily run down a mountain biker if it wanted to. I don't think that the video looks fake but I suspect a captive bear like Bart the famous ursine star of film and T.V. Also at the end the bear didn't act aggressive.

A few years ago Mountain bikers were attacked by a grizzly near Brooks Lake, Wyoming. They were able to get rid of the bear with the application of several cans of pepper spray.

[Kent K25]

It's fake

[Don]

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bearchase.asp) is saying it's a fake, I guess I fell for it. On the other hand, Snopes gave me a link to a (real) bear-mountain-biker helmet video:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMa5-n2OVc#t=191

[Iceaxe]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1vouqDAqV1qlo9hgo1_r1_500.gif

About as real as Ted.....

[rockgremlin]

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bearchase.asp) is saying it's a fake, I guess I fell for it. On the other hand, Snopes gave me a link to a (real) bear-mountain-biker helmet video:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMa5-n2OVc#t=191



FAKE

[Sombeech]

Well I'm calling SNOPES the fake one.

All I could think about (through the dozens of private messages sent to me asking if I'd seen it) is because I don't have current full range of my rear derailleur, of how fast I'd have to be pedaling my legs just to go 15MPH.

[BruteForce]

And I get regularly asked why I *ALWAYS* carry a gun when out in the wild.. where, there's your sign.

[rockgremlin]

And I get regularly asked why I *ALWAYS* carry a gun when out in the wild.. where, there's your sign.


Unless you're carrying extremely heavy, a gun might just piss off a full grown grizz. Especially one protecting food or cubs.

[Don]

And I get regularly asked why I *ALWAYS* carry a gun when out in the wild.. where, there's your sign.

Seems like there's some data to suggest the pepper spray is more effective. (With bears, I'm sure your gun is still plenty effective against the thing it was designed for; people.)

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Shoot-or-Spray.html

http://www.adn.com/article/are-guns-more-effective-pepper-spray-alaska-bear-attack

http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/research-bear-spray-stops-angry-grizzlies-better-than-guns/article_b0d338b6-7638-11e1-b809-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/sites/default/files/efficacy_of_firearms_for_bear_deterrence_in_alaska _2014_01_29_15_23_07_utc.pdf
"ABSTRACT: We compiled, summarized, and reviewed 269 incidents of bear

[Scott P]

Seems like there's some data to suggest the pepper spray is more effective.

Yes, that's what we were told when we hike in places like Alaska, Canada, and Montana.

Here's another read:

http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf

If you do carry a gun to ward off a grizzly, it better be a 12 guage shotgun or a .300 mag rifle. An injured bear is more dangerous than a non injured bear.

Pepper spray (not the stuff used on humans, but real bear spray) is (statistically) more effective, but you still need to use it properly. Some people have sprayed themselves instead of the bear.

[Iceaxe]

Climb-Utah.com Grizzly Bear Notice:

In regards to the rising frequency of bear encounters, the Climb-Utah.com is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert for bears while in the field. We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle the bears that aren't expecting them. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear.

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear feces. Black bear feces is smaller and contains a lot of berry seeds and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear feces has little bells in it and smells like pepper spray.

[BruteForce]

That's an oldie..

And to the anti-gun crowd that say: You'd better bring a Bazooka, I say - you've not walked in my shoes and seen as many bear as I have, or gotten as close as I have (to include Mountain Lion). I've yet to have to shoot, as they've almost always either ignored me, or sauntered off -- mostly, they have no F's to give.

[Scott P]

And to the anti-gun crowd that say: You'd better bring a Bazooka

It was rockgremlin that brought it up and I don't think he is anti-gun. His post and other posts were also specific to Grizzlies (which are bigger than black bears). Have you ever seen a grizzly (especially the ones in places like Alaska) and seen how big those things are? Even looking at their fresh footprints closeup gives me chills. Their paws are huge:

http://www.opticstalk.com/uploads/9995/Big_bear_1.jpg

Photo credit:

http://www.opticstalk.com/uploads/9995/Big_bear_1.jpg

Also, it isn't anti-gun people saying that it take something like a .300 magnum or 12 gauge to fend off a grizzly; this comes from the DOW, hunters, and people who live in grizzly country and encounter them on a regular basis.

Even all the hunting websites confirm what has been said. Would you consider hunting websites to be anti gun?

http://www.sportsafield.com/content/grizzly-defense

Actually all the gun websites and forums confirm what has been said.


you've not walked in my shoes and seen as many bear as I have, or gotten as close as I have (to include Mountain Lion).

How do you know you've seen more bears than everyone else? No, I have not walked in your shoes and I don't know how many bears you have seen, but it seems like a bold claim to make.

For the record, I live in bear country. I've had bears in my yard. Sometimes (and sadly), bears have been shot in town and only a few blocks from my house:

http://www.craigdailypress.com/news/2012/apr/30/parks-and-wildlife-puts-down-bear-sighted-craig/

http://www.steamboattoday.com/news/2012/may/01/bear-euthanized-craig/

The state record bear was shot by one of our neighbors right near where I live:

http://www.craigdailypress.com/news/2010/dec/04/craig-resident-nabs-703-pound-bear-possible-state-/

Steamboat (which has a lot more bears than we do), just to the east of us has constant bear raids, including at McDonalds. Last time I worked on a project there, some bear ran across the main street, jumped on my co worker's car hood just to get away with a bag of McDonalds french fries. Garbage cans in Steamboat are supposed to be bear proof.

I've seen bears several times while at work. I even got some good photographs of them. One even showed up at our company picnic. Usually on hikes, we don't encounter bears (but have occasionally), but we almost always encounter tracks.

Of course all the bears around here where I live are black bears, rather than grizzly. I've done a lot of hiking in grizzly country in places like Montana, Wyoming, Canada, and Alaska, but the nearest known grizzlies to where I live are more than 100 miles away from here.

I haven't seen as many mountain lions as bears. Thus far, I have only seen three mountain lions around town, two on highway 40 to the east of here and one on 318 to the NW.

This is an honest question, but how do you know you have seen more bears than anyone else? Got any pictures? I can show you some of mine that I have personally taken:

http://images.summitpost.org/original/747348.JPG

I don't mean to argue with you, but I'm just curious about your statement.


I've yet to have to shoot, as they've almost always either ignored me, or sauntered off -- mostly, they have no F's to give.

Yes. The vast majority of the time, this is what happens. I've never been charged or threatened by a bear, grizzly or black. Usually they run away. Occasionally they might stand up and look at you since they are curious. I've only seen three bears that didn't run away. One was while at work in Meeker, just south of here. We were working on the highway and someone said "look at that bear!". That time the bear didn't run away, but just looked at us and slowly lumbered off. The other two bears were at the Taku Lodge in Alaska (reached only by float plane). They were more accustomed to people, so didn't run away. Bear attacks do happen, but are actually extremely rare (but when they do happen, they get a lot of publicity). Mountain lion attacks are very rare as well. They do happen though, albeit rarely. In the entire country, including Alaska, there has been nine wild bear related deaths in the last ten years and one fatal mountain lion attack for the same period. By way of comparison, there have been approximately 340 fatal domestic dog attacks in the US.

Bears and mountain lions deserve deep respect and caution, but attacks are (fortunately) very rare. The only animal encounters where I have felt in serious danger are with the Great Pyrenees sheep dogs which roam the local mountains, especially the Park Range to the east and the Flat Top Mountains to the south. I have had some scary encounters with those. On the one which I actually felt a lot of danger, the dog didn't seem to mind me that much, but it was acting extremely aggressive and acted like it wanted to rip apart my kid. We had to climb a boulder (thank God it was there) and wait a long time for the snarling dog to leave. Those thing can be serious scary. They are way more scary to me than encountering the bears and the times I think about hiking armed will be because of these.

[Iceaxe]

I know without a doubt my gun will down a bear as I've dropped one before... I don't have a lot of faith in bear spray.

I'll stick to my firearm for my personal protection as I have confidence in it and my abilities, you are free to use whatever you wish

[rockgremlin]

So Ice...what did you bring it down with? And what kind of bear was it?

Just wondering...

[Don]

Did I just get called 'anti' for pointing out science? That usually only happens in conversations about god. ;)

[Iceaxe]

So Ice...what did you bring it down with? And what kind of bear was it?

Just wondering...

Black bear, 44 mag, I had a license.

[rockgremlin]

Black bear, 44 mag, I had a license.


Hmmm...where did you place the shot?

Wonder if a .45 would be as effective...

[Iceaxe]

I have actually shot several black bear. Back in the early 70's hunting black bear in parts of Idaho was on par with hunting rabbits or coyotes in Utah. You could hunt them with a $35 out of state license and they were abundant. The bears were considered a nuisance.

I used to hunt a lot with a S&W Model 29 .44 mag (8-3/8" barrel), which is the same pistol used in the Dirty Harry movies. I also hunted a lot with a Thompson-Contender Super 14. I've hunted bear, deer and javelina among other animals with a pistol as I considered it more of a challenge. I don't hunt much anymore but when I was younger I was crazy about hunting.

For the record, a black bear is a whole different animal than a grizzly bear, Black bear are not much bigger than a very large dog. I wouldn't hunt any bear with a .45 as I would not consider it humane for the bear. A .45 has about 575 ft/lbs of energy, while a .44 mag has around 1200 ft/lbs energy. That's more than double the stopping power. A .45 doesn't even have the stopping power of a .357 mag (675 ft/lbs energy). In addition to that automatic's do not make very good hunting weapons as they are extremely inaccurate when compared to a long barreled revolver. Automatics are not much use out past about 25-yards. A top quality revolver or single shot can take a deer out to 200-yards.

Just for giggles.... here is a Thompson-Contender Super 14, S&W .45 and a S&W .44 mag. As you can easily see the big pistols are a lot more firearm compared to an automatic.

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