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tallsteve
02-25-2014, 07:12 AM
First person slot canyon rescue account from my niece, Rebecca.

Last Monday was our six-month anniversary, and since it was also a holiday, we wanted to go out and celebrate! The activity of choice was canyoneering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyoneering), a high-adventure sport that involves climbing, hiking, shimmying (I've never used my hips as much in my entire life), and wedging yourself between walls in a narrow slot canyon. The canyon we chose is called Chambers Canyon, where the narrow slot canyon occasionally opens up into little pods, called "chambers." Although it was my first time going canyoneering, my husband, Dallin, had gone many many times, often with his brother-in-law, Aaron who also came. My brother Daniel and his friend Sarah also joined us. Although more than half the party had never done this before, we were all excited to leave Provo for the day and to try something new.



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Dallin, me, Daniel, and Sarah - unaware of the adventure we were in for.


As we pulled up to what looked like the middle of nowhere, we packed a couple of torn backpacks and set off for the canyon. It was a downward hike of about a quarter mile before we got there - full of treacherous rocks that seemed to fall right as I stepped on them (I should've known something was going to happen) and steep downhill slants - sweet. Then we got to the mouth of the canyon and had a quick "initiation ceremony" as we faced what seemed like rather difficult obstacles for beginners. We shimmied down first a 20-foot canyon (we used our hips and shoulders to wedge ourselves between the two walls and then moved slowly down) and then a 30-foot one, crab-walked over an overpass too narrow for us to walk through, and similar exercises. By the time we got well into the canyon, we were really enjoying ourselves and were loving the beautiful structures and colors of the sandstone slot canyon.

At about noon, we came to the diciest section of the canyon. Up until this point, I was able to bypass most of the narrow passageways simply through my genes - I was skinner than most of the people in the party and didn't have a very difficult time getting through even the most narrow areas. However, we got to a place where I was almost positive I couldn't walk through - and I didn't want to try. My husband went first and found that he could lodge himself between both walls about ten feet up and could cross - similar to how a child can climb on the inside of a door frame by pressing both his hands and feet against either side of the door frame. After Aaron climbed up, he found that there was a ledge, about 15 feet up in the air. If I got to this ledge, then I could climb over the passage, no problem. Well, I tried and tried to get up, but I couldn't get enough traction to get high enough. Soon Aaron came back, lodged himself between two rocks, and reached his hand down. He said that if I got up to his hand, then he could pull me up over his knees and then I could climb to the ledge. It didn't work - my upper body strength was so shot that I couldn't hold myself up, and so I wedged myself between two rocks and then gradually slid down. Soon Aaron came back with a rope. I wouldn't even have to pull myself up on the rope - just hold onto it, and Aaron would pull me up. I grabbed hold, and he pulled, but after having spent several minutes prior to this trying to get up, my upper body strength was shot. I couldn't hold on much longer. Aaron, sensing this, jerked the rope up quickly to try and get me up, but I let go and fell about eight feet, landing on my left foot. As soon as I fell, I could tell that the impact had seriously messed up my ankle - sprained it at best, but more likely broken. The area where I fell was in one of the "chambers" of the canyon, where it opened to about five or six feet in width. Some people have mistakenly thought that I fell with my ankle lodged in a canyon, but I fell in an area so wide that I couldn't even press my body up against the sides to slow my fall. Behind me in this chamber was a little cavern with a slanted rock bottom. I sat down on the rock and Aaron sat by me and held me close while we waited for Dallin to scramble back to where I was. When Dallin did get back, we agreed that I couldn't move enough to get out of the canyon, so Aaron, Daniel, and Sarah would need to hike out of the canyon back to the car and call 9-1-1 while Dallin would stay with me. (Side note: it was a total miracle that there was cell reception back at the car - most canyons require about an hour long drive out of the canyon before there's cell reception. We were really lucky.)

Dallin sat behind me with his back against the sandstone wall so that I could have as much body heat as possible. He grabbed some medicine from the first aid kit we'd packed and gave it to me. Then we waited for about two hours until we heard Aaron's voice. He'd called 9-1-1, and there was a paramedic helicopter on its way. It was only a few minutes later when we heard the thrilling sound of a helicopter. Dallin and I both had tears in our eyes as we listened to our rescuers try and find a place in the rocky canyon to land. It was such an overwhelming feeling to know that you did not have the power to rescue yourself - you were completely dependent on somebody else to save you. After about another 15 minutes, we heard the voice of the paramedic, speaking with Aaron. Neither one of them could see us (turns out we were about 150 feet down into the canyon), and the paramedic said that it would be impossible for him to get us out of that canyon. He would need a more advanced team with ropes to come down and get us out.

Although this was sad news for us, we still were positive that we were getting out of the canyon, and that gave us hope. Dallin went down canyon a ways to grab the backpack and two sweatshirts that had been left for us. Even though he needed to go through the hardest part of the canyon twice in order to make that happen, he and I both knew that it was worth it. That canyon was getting colder by the minute. As soon as he got back and I put on another sweatshirt, I ate my brother's sandwich - I guessed that it would be packed to the brim with meat and cheese, and I was totally right. Turkey, ham, and cheese sandwich on wheat bread - just what I needed. Dallin fished around for some more pain medication and we realized that the pills he had given me before were Benadryl, not Ibuprofen. That explained the overwhelmingly tired sensations I had been feeling for the past hour... Dallin hiked up the canyon a little ways (aka he went up through the spot we'd already come through) and found another chamber about 10 feet up the canyon. However, this chamber was roomier and had a sandy bed for me to rest on. It was decided that we'd move over that way. That ordeal was probably the hardest part of the day - I was close to passing out from all of the Benadryl I'd taken, so I had to rest quite a few times. But thanks to Dallin's ingenuity, we found a way for me to get up to the sand bed and rest there. We waited there until about 7:00, when we heard another helicopter. And another. And another. Search and rescue had amassed a team of 17 people equipped with drills, ropes, and harnesses. Yet because of the difficulty of getting through the canyon and because it was getting darker by the minute, a helicopter took about five trips flying people above where I was located.

Then the drills started. We realized that the way I was going to get out of the canyon was on a rappel line - so anchors needed to be drilled deep into the rock. About an hour later, we finally heard the blessed words: "Ready on belay!" and the whirring sound of a belay line being let down. A man named Eric was being let down into the canyon, which was divided into two drops - the first one was about 80 feet down in a straight free fall and the second one was about 60 down and was a little less straightforward. When Eric made it down to the first ledge, we started talking to him and soon realized that his anchors were about 20 feet up canyon from where we were. The team would need to spend another hour drilling in a new location so they could get closer to us. By this time, my leg was in serious pain (it was probably heightened by the cold), and I was more anxious than ever to get out of the canyon. So Dallin and I sang songs to pass the time as we waited again for a crew member to get down to where we were. When someone - a man named Clayton - finally made it down to our level, we couldn't contain our excitement. We thanked him endlessly until he started making small talk with us - then we chatted with him like we were old friends. He was a really humble, down-to-earth, small-town kind of guy. He was our savior. After he got down to our level, Clayton told us that it was a good thing that we had moved into the cavern that we did - apparently the chambers on both sides of us were blocked by a boulder in a precarious position, making it extremely dangerous (maybe impossible) for them to get us out had we been in those locations. Clayton strapped me down in a stretcher on one belay line and then hooked himself up to another. We were going to ascend together. It wasn't a minute after we'd started, however, that we realized that the angle of the ascent wasn't going to work. So they drilled in a pulley (which thankfully didn't take an hour) and started the ascent. By this time, all thought and worry about the cold or about the pain in my leg disappeared: I was 100% concerned with making it up the very bumpy and very steep cliff wall alive. Although I knew I was harnessed in and these people were trained professionals (and Clayton was the most professional of them all), I still could not help yelling out "hold the line!" when it slipped, or letting small whimpers of fear escape my lips. Needless to say, I was extremely relieved when we made it up that first wall. The heavy coat and heating packs they gave me also did wonders to alleviate my fears. The second wall was much less hairy than the first one, but I was still breathing heavily and covering my face (partly because I didn't want to see how much longer and partly because there were falling pebbles and debris from the belay line against the cliff face) the whole time.

Once I made it to the top, a couple of paramedics - Cary and Dan - rushed over to me, asking me my name and how everything happened, etc. They were extremely nice and didn't stress me out at all, which was a huge relief. They asked about where I wanted to be flown to - Grand Junction or Provo, or just across the cliff to the car - which I thought was a little unfair. I was the one who might be in shock because of pain, adrenaline, etc., and yet I was the one expected to make a decision that would cost lots and lots of money. I decided to be flown to Provo since that was only a half-hour driving difference and I really did think that my ankle should be set as soon as possible. So they packed me onto another stretcher and mounted that onto the helicopter. Although I'd always wanted to ride on a helicopter, I never imagined that it would be due to this kind of occasion. I shared that with Dan and Cary, who laughed. I also asked them how much it cost to be flown in a helicopter to the hospital - they said that they didn't know, but they were pretty sure that insurance covered most of it (that remains to be determined). I think they could sense my distress, so Dan gave me some of his night vision goggles, propped up my stretcher so I could see out the window, and then let me look outside with his goggles. They were incredible - the landscape was crystal clear, and the stars were awesome. I could even see some shooting stars with them! I'm really glad they did that - if I'm going to have to pay thousands of dollars to ride in a helicopter, might as well make it enjoyable, right? (Funny side story: when I landed on my ankle, I didn't cry. When I moved, I didn't cry. When Dallin told me his estimate of how much it was going to cost to ride in a helicopter, I sobbed like a baby.) Dan and Cary hooked me up to an IV while I was on the helicopter so they could view my heart rate, respiration rate, and other stats like that. It was pretty interesting to watch my body's natural reactions as we hit air turbulence, as I received a shot, etc. Although there was some turbulence for about 20 minutes, the ride was for the most part quite enjoyable, and the landing was as light as a feather (REALLY glad it wasn't like an airplane landing - not sure my foot could have handled that).



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The helicopter in question in Hanksville, Utah, USA.


When we opened the helicopter door, there was another stretcher with a crew that said, "welcome to Utah Valley!" Thinking that they meant Utah Valley proper and not the hospital, I said: "It's good to be back!" It wasn't until they all started laughing that I figured out what they meant. They wheeled me inside to my room and immediately informed me that my "friend," Tiffany, was here. They could see that I was obviously perplexed - I don't have too many close friends named Tiffany, and the ones that I do have don't live close to me. Then they said that it was my sister-in-law, Aaron's wife. I was so glad that she was there. They laughed at me when I figured out who it was and said: "Well, she seemed to think you were friends!" (Just for the record, we are. I blame everything dumb that I said and did on shock and pain-killers.) After letting me go to the bathroom (it was a long ten-hour wait) and taking some x-rays, they let Tiffany in. Then they had her go out again a few minutes later as they put me under and set my bone. According to the x-rays, I had fractured my ankle in two, maybe three places. I would need to undergo surgery the next day and starting right at that moment could not have any food or water. :) Thankfully, they were able to work me into the surgeon's schedule pretty quickly - I had surgery the next morning at 10 AM. It went well, relatively speaking: turns out my ankle was shattered completely on one side and I'd lacerated one of my tendons as well (making it a much slower recovery process). But the surgery went well: thirteen 4.5 mm-thick screws were drilled in, along with some metal plates. I can get them out later in the year if I wish, but I can also keep them in. We'll see how annoying they are and we'll go from there.


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Post-op x-ray #1





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Post-op x-ray #2. Look at all of those screws!





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Ok. I can explain. While I was asleep right after my surgery, the physical therapy guy woke me up, whisked me out of bed, put me on crutches, and had me try to walk up and down the hall! It was a dangerous game. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have had this "falls risk" sticker outside my door if they'd let me rest more than 10 minutes before putting me on crutches!


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First night after the surgery - totally wiped out.










Everyone at the hospital was so kind and attentive - from the nurses helping me go to the bathroom every few hours to the surgeon himself. I also had some visits from friends and family that meant the world to me. I stayed in the hospital a little longer than expected - two nights - because we needed to wait for the pain to stabilize, and then we drove to my sister-in-law's house Midway, where I've been staying since Wednesday morning. My mom flew out the same day and has been a miracle worker. Not only did she comfort me and take care of me, but she also cooked 40-something portions of meals to get me through the next month or so. My sister-in-law, Camille, has also been incredible. Her baby is due any moment now, and yet she has been more than willing to give up her house and even her master bedroom to me so that I wouldn't have to face going up and down stairs. All in all, things are going pretty well. The pain has been manageable - it was pretty bad right after the surgery (apparently my body isn't a huge fan of having tons of metal screwed into my bone), but it has been more than manageable since then. I've been visited by many lovely people that have totally cheered me up. I've felt God's hand in my life through this whole ordeal, which has done nothing but increase my love and faith in Him. And last but not least, I've been more in love with my husband this past week than ever before. I can't imagine Dallin being more attentive and caring, and for some reason he thought that I was pretty level-headed in the canyon and that has made him more proud than ever to be my husband. So for a disaster of a six-month anniversary trip, things have turned out pretty well.

oldno7
02-25-2014, 07:33 AM
Thanks

rockgremlin
02-25-2014, 08:23 AM
Wow. Helicopter ride from the Roost to Provo....YIKE$!!

Thank you for a detailed report....much appreciated. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery!

Just curious --- will this incident turn you off of canyoneering forever, or will you attempt it again after the ankle mends?

Slot Machine
02-25-2014, 09:43 AM
Excellent, excellent, excellent write-up Ms. Rebecca! Sharing your story might prevent others from suffering a similar accident. 1,000 bonus point for you!

X2 on wishing you a speedy and complete recovery!

ratagonia
02-25-2014, 02:57 PM
Please thank Rebecca for a thorough and well-written report on her accident.

That's a lot of screws!!!! Sending her best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery.

It would be great if she would also post at the Canyon Collective, http://www.canyoncollective.com which is much like Bogley, but with a different assemblage of personalities.

Tom

Brian in SLC
02-25-2014, 04:17 PM
Ouch!

Thanks for sharing and well wishes for a speedy recovery.

SRG
02-25-2014, 06:28 PM
Here's hoping for a speedy recovery!
X5


when I landed on my ankle, I didn't cry. When I moved, I didn't cry. When Dallin told me his estimate of how much it was going to cost to ride in a helicopter, I sobbed like a baby.
Hahaha, glad to see you have a sense of humor about it.

Thanks for the well written and informative accident report.

Mountaineer
02-25-2014, 06:45 PM
Thanks for sharing your experience! Heal soon!

Iceaxe
02-26-2014, 12:50 AM
Thanks for the write up, it was a good read. And best wishes to a speedy recovery.


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Eric Holden
02-26-2014, 10:43 AM
Great write up! Remind me never to shatter my ankle!

Lonnie Utah
02-27-2014, 11:11 AM
Glad things worked out, but I hate to see these kids start off life with this kind of debt (Medical and extraction costs). I hope their medical insurance pays for a good chunk of it, but if my wife's ambulance ride near Yosemite last year is any indication ($3K for a 1 hour ride from the fire house to the hospital (she woke up with chest pains, sweats and nausea in the middle of the night, and I have good medical insurance), they're going to be on the hook for a significant amount of $$$.

On the flip side this is one reason I have a spot beacon, not necessarily as a crutch to get me out of a tricky situation like this, but for the extra insurance that comes with it (that includes helicopter extraction anywhere in the world if needed). I think it's something like $100K of insurance for around $20 per year.

rockgremlin
02-27-2014, 11:21 AM
Yep. Helicopter rides ain't cheap. Depending on insurance you could be wading in significant debt for a while. My boss just got the bill for his ambulance ride from a few weeks back - 7 grand. It's incredible how much they can get away with charging.

mzamp
02-27-2014, 11:43 AM
Hey Rebecca we are twinsies. I broke my ankle last labor day weekend. I have a similar plate and screws except I tore my syndemosis tendon so I have screws going through to hold the fibula and tibia together.

I was lucky in that I made it out of the canyon and fell 100 yards from the road. I was unlucky in that all I was doing was walking and broke the ankle trying to catch a slip on the slickrock. :-(

My ambulance to Kanab was free. Hope yours is free too. The hospital and surgery is a different story, but luckily I have good insurance...for the time being. :ne_nau:

Heal quickly and get back on the horse. I myself am still working on trusting that ankle, but I am getting there.

Mudcat
02-27-2014, 02:03 PM
Thanks for taking the time to write the report. Your candor will benefit others, I am sure.

qedcook
02-28-2014, 08:48 AM
Sorry to hear about the accident. I'm always sad to hear about these injuries. Feel better soon.

Slot Machine
03-01-2014, 07:45 AM
tallsteve

Please check your private messages. Thanks.

rick t
03-01-2014, 10:30 PM
beautiful people, and a well written, touching story of a most unfortunate accident. I hope you have a full recovery.
BUT. Pardon me for pointing out the elephant in the room. I would suggest that Chambers is not an appropriate canyon to drag a bunch of beginners, not just beginners, first timers into. Lots of canyons are much better suited to learning the basics in. And the failed assistance attempt for one of those fatigued beginners that preciptated the accident is a red flag that there was serious lack of any formal training in this group. An end of the rope was lowered to the struggling canyoneer? not tied into the harness, or even a bowline around the torso? It takes more than a rope and a harness to participate in this sport, particularly if you are leading a group of first timers. Hopefully this group can get some formal training during their down time, and their next canyon venture will be much more enjoyable, safer, and less traumatic and expensive.

ratagonia
03-02-2014, 07:28 AM
beautiful people, and a well written, touching story of a most unfortunate accident. I hope you have a full recovery.
BUT. Pardon me for pointing out the elephant in the room. I would suggest that Chambers is not an appropriate canyon to drag a bunch of beginners, not just beginners, first timers into. Lots of canyons are much better suited to learning the basics in. And the failed assistance attempt for one of those fatigued beginners that preciptated the accident is a red flag that there was serious lack of any formal training in this group. An end of the rope was lowered to the struggling canyoneer? not tied into the harness, or even a bowline around the torso? It takes more than a rope and a harness to participate in this sport, particularly if you are leading a group of first timers. Hopefully this group can get some formal training during their down time, and their next canyon venture will be much more enjoyable, safer, and less traumatic and expensive.

Or informal training, or experience.

Tom

rockgremlin
03-04-2014, 09:40 AM
beautiful people, and a well written, touching story of a most unfortunate accident. I hope you have a full recovery.
BUT. Pardon me for pointing out the elephant in the room. I would suggest that Chambers is not an appropriate canyon to drag a bunch of beginners, not just beginners, first timers into. Lots of canyons are much better suited to learning the basics in. And the failed assistance attempt for one of those fatigued beginners that preciptated the accident is a red flag that there was serious lack of any formal training in this group. An end of the rope was lowered to the struggling canyoneer? not tied into the harness, or even a bowline around the torso? It takes more than a rope and a harness to participate in this sport, particularly if you are leading a group of first timers. Hopefully this group can get some formal training during their down time, and their next canyon venture will be much more enjoyable, safer, and less traumatic and expensive.


rick t -- I know people are going to come out and throw rocks at you for posting this, but you're absolutely right. Canyoneering is an extreme sport, and should be respected as such. There's plenty of other canyons that are well suited at introducing the less experienced into the sport.

The majority of SAR callouts are to rescue folks that got in over their heads and were ill prepared for an emergency egress when things went south. Noobs beware...just because your brother-in-law has experience doing slot canyons doesn't mean he is qualified to rescue you when half-way through the canyon you discover your physical capabilities weren't suited for an advanced canyon. Take some time to dip your toe into the pool to determine your physical capabilities before you commit to diving into the deep end. It's only fair to you, the other members of your party, and the SAR members who put their lives on the line to come to your rescue.

I realize that sounds harsh, but please understand I'm not trying to be malicious or spiteful...just realistic.

Iceaxe
03-04-2014, 10:34 AM
Canyoneering is an extreme sport,


:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That's so damn funny I just blew coffee out me nose all over my keyboard.

If Canyoneering is an extreme sport you are doing it wrong.....

While the dangers should be respected and a positive skill set needs to be acquired I see it no differently then driving your car.... I mean who really takes to the highway during rush hour their first day out, which is kinda what tossing newb's into Chambers is like.


if you are going to maintain that stance I suggest driving your car in rush hour is also an extreme sport. an ext

rockgremlin
03-04-2014, 02:42 PM
:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That's so damn funny I just blew coffee out me nose all over my keyboard.

If Canyoneering is an extreme sport you are doing it wrong.....




Yup, you're right. Heaps, Imlay, Chambers, Sandthrax, Alcatraz, etc, etc.....not extreme at all. Anyone with a rope and a weekend can do it. :roll:


Clearly there are varying degrees of difficulty depending on which canyon you choose, but in general it would fall into the category of extreme. Maybe not quite as extreme as NASCAR, or dragging clown cars on the salt flats, but in general canyoneering isn't for everyone.

YMMV

rockgremlin
03-04-2014, 02:44 PM
....and driving your car in rush hour in Utah IS an extreme sport. Utah drivers are the worst.

TommyBoy
03-04-2014, 03:16 PM
I think it depends on how you define an extreme sport. Usually when I think of extreme sports I think of things like Base Jumping, where even if you're trained and do everything you can to minimize the risk involved it is still very dangerous. With canyoneering if you get the training and build your skills slowly over time watch the weather, etc., then once you do go into canyons like Heaps, Imlay, etc. its actually quite safe, even if it isn't easy.

ratagonia
03-04-2014, 03:19 PM
If Canyoneering is an extreme sport you are doing it wrong.....

While the dangers should be respected and a positive skill set needs to be acquired I see it no differently then driving your car.... I mean who really takes to the highway during rush hour their first day out, which is kinda what tossing newb's into Chambers is like.


if you are going to maintain that stance I suggest driving your car in rush hour is also an extreme sport. an ext

EXACTLY!

:moses:

ratagonia
03-04-2014, 03:21 PM
Yup, you're right. Heaps, Imlay, Chambers, Sandthrax, Alcatraz, etc, etc.....not extreme at all. Anyone with a rope and a weekend can do it. :roll:




Hmmmm.

Skiing in the ski area is not an extreme sport. But one does not take a first-timer to the top of High Rustler on their first day. And then say "well, sometimes stuff just happens".

Yeah, sometimes stuff does happen. But in this case, that is not what happened.

Tom

rockgremlin
03-04-2014, 03:32 PM
EXACTLY!

:moses:


Tom and Shane agreeing with one another....wow. I'm marking my calendar. Not sure it'll ever happen again.

I'm not sure why Shane was disagreeing with me....I thought ideas were badges of friendship or enmity. I thought he would agree with me in order to express friendliness...regardless of the content of my post.

rockgremlin
03-04-2014, 03:40 PM
I think it depends on how you define an extreme sport. Usually when I think of extreme sports I think of things like Base Jumping, where even if you're trained and do everything you can to minimize the risk involved it is still very dangerous. With canyoneering if you get the training and build your skills slowly over time watch the weather, etc., then once you do go into canyons like Heaps, Imlay, etc. its actually quite safe, even if it isn't easy.


Agree. The way I define extreme is by how exerting it is both mentally and physically, regardless of how "dangerous" it is.

Iceaxe
03-04-2014, 05:16 PM
Tom and Shane agreeing with one another....wow. I'm marking my calendar. Not sure it'll ever happen again.

I believe Tom and I generally agree on most canyoneering issues, it's just when we disagree folks seem to take notice and choose sides.



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Sombeech
03-04-2014, 06:13 PM
One time I dislocated my knee when I sat down on the sofa wrong.

Noob.

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ratagonia
03-04-2014, 07:59 PM
I believe Tom and I generally agree on most canyoneering issues, it's just when we disagree folks seem to take notice and choose sides.


When Shane posts something I agree with, there is rarely a reason for me to post too. But this???

:facepalm:


I agree with the other definition of ExTrEmE SpOrT - it's gotta have a death or major injury element to it.

Sport Climbing may look like an Extreme Sport to people who don't climb, but it's not. You do it right, it is entirely safe. Of course, you do it wrong, or make stupid mistakes and it can kill you, but the same can be said for driving on the freeway.

Free Soloing on the other hand... Alex Honnold so far is 100%. Let's hope he maintains the 100% level for quite a few years. He is super-solid, pretty close to zero risk. There are quite a few free-soloers who were super-solid, pretty close to zero risk when free-soloing... and I know two at that level who died soloing. You only gotta make one mistake...

Tom

reverse_dyno
03-05-2014, 08:32 AM
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_sport)says Rock Climbing and Caving are extreme sports, Canyoneering must also be. Of course Wiki also lists Paint Ball as an extreme sport:ne_nau: .

Scott P
03-05-2014, 08:46 AM
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_sport)says Rock Climbing and Caving are extreme sports, Canyoneering must also be. Of course Wiki also lists Paint Ball as an extreme sport:ne_nau: .

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Anyway, why does it matter if it is an extreme sport or not? It's a silly debate. Either way, if you screw up, you can be seriously injured or die. That can be said about a lot of activities, but canyoneering certainly does have an element of danger that seems to be often downplayed, especially if you are inexperienced, have little experience, or are reckless.

The ratio of the number of canyoneers there are vs. the amount of rescues and injuries indicates that people aren't taking the dangers seriously enough (and I admit that I was the same way early on). It seems to me that no other popular sport I can think of has a higher rescue and injury rate than canyoneering does. In southern Utah, for example, technical climbers outnumber technical canyoneers by a long shot, but I hear about much more injuries and rescues from canyoneers vs. climbers.

TommyBoy
03-05-2014, 10:03 AM
LIke it was said in the gorging movie, in climbing if you cant do the route you just go back down. In canyoneering once you pull your rope after the first drop you have to complete the canyon whether you have the skill or not so its way easier to get in over your head.

Bo_Beck
03-05-2014, 10:30 AM
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In southern Utah, for example, technical climbers outnumber technical canyoneers by a long shot, but I hear about much more injuries and rescues from canyoneers vs. climbers.

Well Scott.....here's another disagreement. I have lived here in SW Utah for 24 years now, and also have worked in the "Extreme Sport?" industry here for the same amount of time, and at one time I'd have agreed with you. Canyoneering as accessible as it is has outgrown sport climbing, trad climbing and bouldering, and there are FAR more folks delving into Canyoneering for the first time than there are folks taking up climbing for the first time! Period!

Iceaxe
03-05-2014, 10:47 AM
but I hear about much more injuries and rescues from canyoneers vs. climbers.

I believe a large part of this is because canyoneering rescues are a lot more involved. If your friend breaks his ankle sport climbing you carry him to the car and drive to the hospital, but it's not as simple when the rescue is deep inside a slot canyon.

No one cares to read a story about driving to the hospital, but involve a helicopter and suddenly the story is a lot more news worthy.

Scott P
03-05-2014, 11:20 AM
Canyoneering as accessible as it is has outgrown sport climbing, trad climbing and bouldering, and there are FAR more folks delving into Canyoneering for the first time than there are folks taking up climbing for the first time! Period!

Taking it on for the first time, for sure. Anyway, you would know more than me since you are involved with SAR. It would be hard to be sure, but in your opinion, how does the accident rate compare with climbing vs. canyoneering?


I believe a large part of this is because canyoneering rescues are a lot more involved.

Also, I'd have to agree with Turville's assessment in the Gorging documentary mentioned by Tommyboy. It's easy to get in trouble in canyoneering because once you pull your rope on the first drop you are committed. When climbing, you can usually descend back down if you get to an obstacle beyond your skill level.

It seems a lot of people underestimate canyoneering because they think it is just hiking with some rappels thrown in. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Rappelling is very easy until something goes wrong.

walkthetaco
03-05-2014, 05:23 PM
How about RISK.
Risk is defined as probability of an event to occur times the consequences of the event.
Risk management.
We will be judged by a jury of our peers to determine if we are liable.
It's a "state of mind".

maarten.1975
03-10-2014, 10:20 AM
First of all I wish you all the best in recovering from the accident!
Thanks for letting us in on the whole experience. I always experience stories like yours as a good warning, hopefully making me sharp enough to prepare properly for all my upcoming canyons. Especially when I read stories like this, which are written on this 'personal' and detailed level it works this way. If it is just a little article on some news-website, it hardly makes an impression.


And concerning the 'extreme sport' thing. It is all a matter of which definition we use. (In many discussions the difference of opinion is caused by the different definition people use for the thing they are arguing about.) In canyoneering I think it is the unexpected element that may cause the trouble. Prepare properly, always expect the worst to happen, hopefully it will be better!


Then I saw there is extreme ironing named @ Wikipedia as being an extreme sport.....
Who the h*ll invented that? :crazy:
I might try that one day. Grab the ironing stuff from my hotel room and drag it with me into let's say Behunin hehehe....

Scott P
03-10-2014, 10:35 AM
I might try that one day. Grab the ironing stuff from my hotel room and drag it with me into let's say Behunin hehehe....

Sounds kind of pansy. You should at least go for Heaps! :haha:

deagol
03-11-2014, 06:25 AM
Extreme Sport seems to be marketing more than reality... sandboarding??? Mountain biking can be mellow depending on how you do it. Too many Mountain Dew commercials.