Scott P
10-23-2013, 06:36 PM
OK, so there's been a lot of talks/debates about noisy campers and what time it may or may not have been when certain events happened (I didn't take any sides).
I thought I'd share last week's experience though. This may seem far fetched, but rest assured there is nothing exaggerated here and anyone else who was camping there could confirm this.
A group of seven of us decided to meet at Granary Springs for some canyoneering. This included, me, my two kids, bogley member rms4545, Bogley member Lofty (Anya) and two 14ers.com members.
The two 14er members arrived first. There was no one else around and they found a nice parking place for camp.
A while later, two dirtbikers came along and set up camp close by.
After that a convoy of 5th wheels, under the guise of Camp EZ pulled in with all kinds of ATV's and a few horses.
Another couple that was canyoneering showed up as well.
No problem; when the rest of us showed up we set up camp; I really don't mind company.
We noticed quickly that something was awry with the convoy of RV's.
The two kids on ATV's were riding all over the place off trail (all they did for the two days we were there was ride all over). They were riding off trail and making all kinds of new tracks in the WSA. They were riding though our camp. I don't mean near or camp, or pretty close to our camp, but through it including running over our stuff. They nearly ran over my digital thermometer which was next to the tent (while we were standing there) and later came through and knocked over our table with the ATV. They ran over a lighter, but nothing was really damaged other than the smashed lighter and getting sand in some of our foodstuffs and dishes.
That night they had generators going and placed them as far as they could away from their camp, but towards everyone else's camps. They also idled diesel trucks in the night.
The next night was no better and it was apparent that the group was still doing the same thing. We thought of moving after dinner.
The two dirt bikers mentioned were not in the same group as the RV's. In fact they were really kind and really nice guys to be around, so this is not a situation of two different user groups not getting along. The dirt bikers invited us to their campfire and offered us some leftover dinner. I shared some information on Black Dragon Canyon with them and the sunset Pass Route. We had a good time talking with them. They were also very bothered by the RV group. The dirk bikers were also staying on all the designated routes. We really enjoyed their company.
At around 10:00 someone showed up with a much louder generator and we decided that if they were going to run it all night we were going to leave, even though it was late.
Anya and I went over and asked nicely if they were going to run the generator all night (we though they wouldn't because it was so loud), but they were extremely hostile and basically told us to leave the area and to F-off. We said that we were just asking so we could move somewhere else if necessary.
We decided to move the tents and sleeping bags (the 14ers.com members had a camper and didn't want to move it) and left at 10:30, while deciding to leave everything else (table and all) and come retrieve it in the morning.
We came back in the morning to pack up our stuff. Someone left a bunch of kid's juice boxes around (hmm, I wonder who that was?) and I cleaned up some of their trash. The camper and dirt bikers said the previous night was pretty bad with the loud generators and idling diesel trucks, though the dirt bikers had ear plugs.
I then walked down the wash to photograph all the off road damage so I could report it to the BLM. I hear a gunshot and hear a kid's voice "hey don't go over there, you are going to get shot". Only he was talking to his brother who was near me and not me.
None of the above is an exaggeration and anyone else who was there, whether the other canyoneering group, the dirt bikers, and our group will tell the same story.
Anyway, here are the license plates of the group. Here they are:
464 URS (Utah)
436 6CR (Utah)
973 CDF (Oregon)
A57 3LK (Utah)
Y29 9HA (Utah)
Here is some of the off road damage that they were doing in the WSA. Other than the actual road pictured near the sign, all of these tracks are brand new tracks made last weekend. PS, I did report to the BLM and they were headed out there Monday afternoon. I hope the people got caught.
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I thought I'd share last week's experience though. This may seem far fetched, but rest assured there is nothing exaggerated here and anyone else who was camping there could confirm this.
A group of seven of us decided to meet at Granary Springs for some canyoneering. This included, me, my two kids, bogley member rms4545, Bogley member Lofty (Anya) and two 14ers.com members.
The two 14er members arrived first. There was no one else around and they found a nice parking place for camp.
A while later, two dirtbikers came along and set up camp close by.
After that a convoy of 5th wheels, under the guise of Camp EZ pulled in with all kinds of ATV's and a few horses.
Another couple that was canyoneering showed up as well.
No problem; when the rest of us showed up we set up camp; I really don't mind company.
We noticed quickly that something was awry with the convoy of RV's.
The two kids on ATV's were riding all over the place off trail (all they did for the two days we were there was ride all over). They were riding off trail and making all kinds of new tracks in the WSA. They were riding though our camp. I don't mean near or camp, or pretty close to our camp, but through it including running over our stuff. They nearly ran over my digital thermometer which was next to the tent (while we were standing there) and later came through and knocked over our table with the ATV. They ran over a lighter, but nothing was really damaged other than the smashed lighter and getting sand in some of our foodstuffs and dishes.
That night they had generators going and placed them as far as they could away from their camp, but towards everyone else's camps. They also idled diesel trucks in the night.
The next night was no better and it was apparent that the group was still doing the same thing. We thought of moving after dinner.
The two dirt bikers mentioned were not in the same group as the RV's. In fact they were really kind and really nice guys to be around, so this is not a situation of two different user groups not getting along. The dirt bikers invited us to their campfire and offered us some leftover dinner. I shared some information on Black Dragon Canyon with them and the sunset Pass Route. We had a good time talking with them. They were also very bothered by the RV group. The dirk bikers were also staying on all the designated routes. We really enjoyed their company.
At around 10:00 someone showed up with a much louder generator and we decided that if they were going to run it all night we were going to leave, even though it was late.
Anya and I went over and asked nicely if they were going to run the generator all night (we though they wouldn't because it was so loud), but they were extremely hostile and basically told us to leave the area and to F-off. We said that we were just asking so we could move somewhere else if necessary.
We decided to move the tents and sleeping bags (the 14ers.com members had a camper and didn't want to move it) and left at 10:30, while deciding to leave everything else (table and all) and come retrieve it in the morning.
We came back in the morning to pack up our stuff. Someone left a bunch of kid's juice boxes around (hmm, I wonder who that was?) and I cleaned up some of their trash. The camper and dirt bikers said the previous night was pretty bad with the loud generators and idling diesel trucks, though the dirt bikers had ear plugs.
I then walked down the wash to photograph all the off road damage so I could report it to the BLM. I hear a gunshot and hear a kid's voice "hey don't go over there, you are going to get shot". Only he was talking to his brother who was near me and not me.
None of the above is an exaggeration and anyone else who was there, whether the other canyoneering group, the dirt bikers, and our group will tell the same story.
Anyway, here are the license plates of the group. Here they are:
464 URS (Utah)
436 6CR (Utah)
973 CDF (Oregon)
A57 3LK (Utah)
Y29 9HA (Utah)
Here is some of the off road damage that they were doing in the WSA. Other than the actual road pictured near the sign, all of these tracks are brand new tracks made last weekend. PS, I did report to the BLM and they were headed out there Monday afternoon. I hope the people got caught.
70247702457024670248702497025070251702537025470255