Picturesque, Challenging Canyoning Areas that AREN'T CLOSED

[abliviax]

So, let's assume that the Government (and National Park lands) stay shut until mid-October, enough time to prevent my single canyoneering adventure from occurring in Zion NP or Escalante NP (First two choices).

What are other good areas with reasonable access to scenic canyons that will still be open?
-We will not have 4wd.
-Looking most back-for-buck for a 4-day trip from Denver
- Areas with many canyons close to eachother would help
-Would like to keep a drive from Denver under 11 hrs.
-Looking mainly for scenery, but also some good challenge in a few of the canyons - (Keeper Potholes, swimming, PG slots)

Your suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

[ilipichicuma]

Escalante isn't a national park and isn't really patrolled. Is it closed? If it is, can they even keep you from getting in?

[ratagonia]

So, let's assume that the Government (and National Park lands) stay shut until mid-October, enough time to prevent my single canyoneering adventure from occurring in Zion NP or Escalante NP (First two choices).

What are other good areas with reasonable access to scenic canyons that will still be open?
-We will not have 4wd.
-Looking most back-for-buck for a 4-day trip from Denver
- Areas with many canyons close to eachother would help
-Would like to keep a drive from Denver under 11 hrs.
-Looking mainly for scenery, but also some good challenge in a few of the canyons - (Keeper Potholes, swimming, PG slots)

Your suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

You'll be happy to learn that the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument is not a National Park. It is managed by the Bureau of Land Management, and it is "Too Big To Close".

The Calf Creek campground is closed, and the visitor centers are closed.



from the staff:

The BLM Visitor Centers and Escalante Interagency Visitor Center are closed because of the government shutdown. Calf Creek Recreation Area and Deer Creek Campground are also closed. Facilities throughout the GSENM are closed. For more information, please visit the Department of Interior website at:www.doi.gov/shutdown (http://www.doi.gov/shutdown).
For emergencies contact 911, Garfield Sheriff Office at 435 676-2411 (http://canyoncollective.com/tel:435%20676-2411) or Kane Sheriff Office at 435 644-2349 (http://canyoncollective.com/tel:435%20644-2349)
see attached road report.

The deep backcountry roads are a MESS! Road Report here: http://canyoncollective.com/threads/gsenm-road-report-and-shutdown-info.18784/

North Wash, Robbers Roost, Swell, etc. - all open. Rather limiting to not have 4WD, but high clearance at least?

What level of canyons are you seeking? What HAVE you done, and what WOULD you have done in Zion?

Tom

[abliviax]

If need be -- I may to find some way to get a higher clearance vehicle -- rent one?! We just don't have one amongst our group.

In Zion our main interests were Boundary, Kolob Canyons, and possibly Heaps if a person who has been comes along. We have done several class C canyons in Ouray - Corbett, and all of Oak/Angel Creeks, in Zion we have done Echo, Pine Crk, Subway, in Escalante - Egypt 2,3 and some other obscure ones.

Pothole escape experience is limited, but we'd like to change that ... slowly.

But again:
Goal #0: Canyons that are open
Goal #1: Scenery
Goal #2: Athletic/Problem solving Challenge in a few of the canyons
Goal #3: # of nice canyons in 4 days driving from Denver

Thanks! -
Forrest

[abliviax]

Officially BLM lands are closed ... might this affect North Wash, Robber's Roost areas? I imagine they have little oversight as is, but I haven't been.

[Bootboy]

Go to Zion, hike in from the east side, and do full Echo. 300~' rap over weeping rock. No one will be beneath you and it's not everyday that it can be done;).

I'm not really advocating civil disobedience, but... Carpe diem....

Hell, how 'bout Parunuweap or Goose Creek?

[oldno7]

Escalante isn't a national park and isn't really patrolled. Is it closed? If it is, can they even keep you from getting in?

Keep in mind that GCNRA goes from the lake, up the Escalante to around Silver Falls. Technically most canyoneering destinations on the Escalante are closed.

http://www.glencanyonnha.org/maps/GlenCanyonNRA_map.pdf

[reverse_dyno]

BLM Lands are NOT closed. Just their facilities are, including rescue services. Can you sue the government for not rescuing you if you get hurt on BLM Land? Now that would be an interesting lawsuit.

http://www.doi.gov/shutdown/fy2014/upload/BLM-Contingency-Plan.pdf

Visitor Management: The BLM will close and secure visitor centers and facilities on public
lands. Visitor activities that require a permit may be canceled or postponed. Contracted
operations such as trash collection and toilet cleaning will be suspended. If practical, areas will
be posted with signs that state that no patrols, maintenance or other management activities will
be provided including emergency or rescue services provided by BLM.

[abliviax]

I think how each area is handled will probably be a little different, however BLM have 300 security employees on staff for ALL of their land during shutdown ... almost 1 million acres per person. Ha.

----- from BLM shutdown plans ------

Individual permits in special areas - No new entries or activities will be allowed at the time of the
shutdown. Use of permitted areas should be ended as soon as practical, and no longer than
within 48 hours of shutdown, such as at Long Term Visitor Areas or Aravaipa Canyon.

[LVRAY]

I think Oldno's point is that most of the canyons in the Escalante area are actually in the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area - which is managed by the National Park Service, not the BLM.

[oldno7]

I think Oldno's point is that most of the canyons in the Escalante area are actually in the Glen Canyon National Recreation Area - which is managed by the National Park Service, not the BLM.

Exactly, most probably are not aware of the boundary.

[ratagonia]

BLM Lands are NOT closed. Just their facilities are, including rescue services. Can you sue the government for not rescuing you if you get hurt on BLM Land? Now that would be an interesting lawsuit.

http://www.doi.gov/shutdown/fy2014/upload/BLM-Contingency-Plan.pdf

Visitor Management: The BLM will close and secure visitor centers and facilities on public
lands. Visitor activities that require a permit may be canceled or postponed. Contracted
operations such as trash collection and toilet cleaning will be suspended. If practical, areas will
be posted with signs that state that no patrols, maintenance or other management activities will
be provided including emergency or rescue services provided by BLM.

On BLM lands, rescue is not the responsibility of the BLM, it is the responsibility of the County Sheriff.

At times, the BLM provides support on SARs, but they are not primary.

Tom

[rustyenduro]

I think Birch Hollow and Fat Man's Misery is technically outside of Zion as well as the permit system-- so that should be fair game legally. Can someone corroborate that statement? I am scheduled to go to Zion for canyoneering next week and it looks like my plans will be up in smoke also. =(

[qedcook]

But to access misery canyon without 4WD you need to hike in from inside Zion. I'm facing this dilemma this weekend, and wondering how I'm going to get to Misery Canyon?

[MPH]

is the maze road blocked? The road that takes u to Hanns flat?

[Udink]

is the maze road blocked? The road that takes u to Hanns flat?
I don't think they'd close that road since it leads to BLM, NPS, and GCNRA lands. However, it wouldn't surprise me if the NPS suspended all permits for camping in the Maze and Orange Cliffs area of GCNRA.

[Bootboy]

But to access misery canyon without 4WD you need to hike in from inside Zion. I'm facing this dilemma this weekend, and wondering how I'm going to get to Misery Canyon?

They are not allowing anyone to park a vehicle in the park.

[ratagonia]

But to access misery canyon without 4WD you need to hike in from inside Zion. I'm facing this dilemma this weekend, and wondering how I'm going to get to Misery Canyon?

The easy, convenient way to access Misery canyon is through Zion National Park.

wink wink

nudge nudge

Tom :moses:

Birch Hollow is entirely on BLM land. Well, a couple of private parcels need to be crossed.

Tom

[mzamp]

Go to Zion, hike in from the east side, and do full Echo. 300~' rap over weeping rock. No one will be beneath you and it's not everyday that it can be done;).

I'm not really advocating civil disobedience, but... Carpe diem....



The only bad part would be climbing back up the east rim trail instead of doing a car shuttle. eclipsee_steering

[Bootboy]

The only bad part would be climbing back up the east rim trail instead of doing a car shuttle. eclipsee_steering

Eh, there are worse things... I feel like the east rim trail is about the best way to put away 2500'+ of elevation.

[qedcook]

The easy, convenient way to access Misery canyon is through Zion National Park.

wink wink

nudge nudge

Tom :moses:

Birch Hollow is entirely on BLM land. Well, a couple of private parcels need to be crossed.

Tom

But you need high clearance for the other way, right?

[ratagonia]

But you need high clearance for the other way, right?

Walking is naturally high-clearance.









The road to the top of the East Fork is EZ, 2WD. I wouldn't take my Lamborghini out there, but...

There is the longer road that goes almost to the river, and that is a full-on Jeep trail. HC, 4WD, short wheelbase and the ability to air-down (and air-up) recommended. :cool2:

Tom

[abliviax]

Well, I am going to Escalante. I will call ahead a little bit, but PLEASE let me know if this is a bad idea to bring 4 friends out their and not be able to camp and canyoneer off of Hole-in-the-Rock road.

Thanks a lot,
Forrest

[Scott P]

Not a bad idea to go, but just in case, don't call.

[powderglut]

The Hole in the Rock Rd is open to mile marker 47 where The Glen Can NRA begins. They had a ranger out there for a few days, but I saw a post on another site that showed a guy driving all the way out to the end. That was just this Monday. Must of realized what a waste of time that duty was so he went somwhere else.. Maybe he's working the Crack in the wall rd to keep people out of Coyote Gulch. We all know there's only one way to get into that canyon.:naughty:
Egypt road is open and all the access to all the Egypts.:nod: I Was in Egypt 1 last Friday Oct 4. You should have no worries doing any of that stuff. Sheffield/Spencer rd is open too. Gate closed at Calf Cr for no camping, but people were parking on hwy 12 and hiking in. At least a dozen or more cars each day I drove by there.
Search and rescue is run by Garfield County Sheriffs dept and staffed with many local volunteers, including most of the guides that work out of Escalante.
Have fun!!:hitit:

[abliviax]

Not a bad idea to go, but just in case, don't call.

Just to friends in area. Not to park service.

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Thanks powderglut!

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