Knotted Rope

[Slot Machine]

On September 2nd, 2013, Steph, Micah (MiCamp), Chelane and Stephanie headed through Knotted Rope. We hoped recent rains filled the canyon, but luck was not on our side. This was Chelane and Stephanie's first technical canyon.

The potholes were about half full, and it was just warm enough that wetsuits were not required. It was a fun day with a great group of friends.

Bob

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Stephanie, Chelane and Steph sharing a laugh.
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Chelane bravely rapping into a monster swimmer pothole...
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then making the tough move up and out! :2thumbs:
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Micah jumping.
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[Byron]

Nice! Hey...what's with that cable? If it is a cable...what the hell is that thing?

[Slot Machine]

Nice! Hey...what's with that cable? If it is a cable...what the hell is that thing?

It is a pipe, leftover from mining operations. There are about 6 or 8 of them placed strategically down the canyon.

Now that you mention it, I am not satisfied with how difficult the canyon is, even with the pipes. A couple of those potholes are still a pain in the ass to get out of. We are going to bring more pipes next time we visit to make things easier for everyone.

:cool2:

[jman]

Yea, two of the potholes can be a challenge to get out of, although one of em (the last pic) can be avoided by going to your right LDC and a careful jump (for the young and dumb like me I suppose).

Too bad it wasn't tip too full for ya guys. I'm still waiting for that opportunity myself...

[flatiron]

Yea, two of the potholes can be a challenge to get out of, although one of em (the last pic) can be avoided by going to your right LDC and a careful jump (for the young and dumb like me I suppose).


:nod: Agree on 1st and not so much on 2nd. Hmm, really u jumped? Done it twice and no one in our group even thought of trying that. U got bigger pair than most. :hail2thechief: KRope is a great fun canyon - changing water levels make it different every time.

[Slot Machine]

Yea, two of the potholes can be a challenge to get out of, although one of em (the last pic) can be avoided by going to your right LDC and a careful jump (for the young and dumb like me I suppose).

^ That there is some bad beta. ^

When you arrive at that pothole you will likely already be wet, and likely still interested in playing in the water. If there is a live alligator in the pothole, then jumping across is an option to consider.


Too bad it wasn't tip too full for ya guys. I'm still waiting for that opportunity myself...

Yes, a shame. It rained like crazy in Ticaboo two days prior. Thought our chances were pretty good... :cry1:

[jman]

^ That there is some bad beta. ^

When you arrive at that pothole you will likely already be wet, and likely still interested in playing in the water. If there is a live alligator in the pothole, then jumping across is an option to consider.



Yes, a shame. It rained like crazy in Ticaboo two days prior. Thought our chances were pretty good... :cry1:

...bad beta? It's just an option. When the canyon is in low-mode the keeper is deep and still a swimmer. When it's low - you can avoid it (like I mentioned above). In fact, you can stay dry nearly for the entire canyon - except one mandatory water section which is near the end.

And if you bypass it, you could easily save a good amount of time if you have handful of people. Plus, it's kinda a awkward rap if it's low. If it's full- then yea, take a dip!

[Slot Machine]

...bad beta? It's just an option.

Seems like a good way to get hurt (rap/climb is safer). And a bad way to save time (took us 10 minutes). And a lame, boring way to stay dry (lame AND boring).

That's all I'm sayin'. :mrgreen:

[yetigonecrazy]

So if some don't do the canyon exactly the way you did then it must be wrong, or bad then?


Just sayin.

Sweet canyon, nice pics.

[Slot Machine]

So if some don't do the canyon exactly the way you did then it must be wrong, or bad then?

:roll::roll::roll::roll:

How did you do it when you went through?

Oh wait...

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[yetigonecrazy]

:roll::roll::roll::roll:

How did you do it when you went through?

Oh wait...

:lol8:


Ha ha, nice. When you say things like this I have a hard time taking you seriously, because you sound like you are 8.

Not gonna argue with you, Bob. Just seems kinda silly how you called someone out just because they operate different than you. Feel free to say whatever you want from this point, Ill read it but I am not going to reply. My point has been made.

[Byron]

Ha ha, nice. When you say things like this I have a hard time taking you seriously, because you sound like you are 8.

Yeti...dude, chill. Slotmachine is awesome...if he wasn't posting up all these nifty trip reports, I dare say it would get pretty boring waiting around for you to post up yours. Sorry to bust your chops, but if anyone is drifting into the 8 year old territory, it's you. Get my point?

[ratagonia]

We are going to bring more pipes next time we visit to make things easier for everyone.



Always good to bring the canyon down to your skill level... :facepalm1:

Most of those pipes (past the first couple of potholes) were moved in by Mr. K in 1999. I was happy to see that there seemed to be fewer pipes in there... let's leave it that way, OK?

Tom

[ratagonia]

Seems like a good way to get hurt (rap/climb is safer). And a bad way to save time (took us 10 minutes). And a lame, boring way to stay dry (lame AND boring).

That's all I'm sayin'.

C'mon, Slot, what could possibly go wrong???

http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?26661-Knotted-Rope-Death


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[Slot Machine]

Always good to bring the canyon down to your skill level... :facepalm1:

Most of those pipes (past the first couple of potholes) were moved in by Mr. K in 1999. I was happy to see that there seemed to be fewer pipes in there... let's leave it that way, OK?

Tom

:fishing: *whizzzz* goes the line! Caught me a big one! :lol8::lol8::lol8:

*Wipes tears from face*

Purely a joke. I hope you think we have better ethics than THAT. I can't believe he imported those pipes! Super funny.

I would love to go with a big team and move some of those pipes out some day. Do you sell a waterproof canyoneering Sawzall? :mrgreen:

[jman]

:nod: Agree on 1st and not so much on 2nd. Hmm, really u jumped? Done it twice and no one in our group even thought of trying that. U got bigger pair than most. :hail2thechief: KRope is a great fun canyon - changing water levels make it different every time.

Lol thanks iron. Nope, same size as everybody else. Haha.

It's intimidating but very doable actually. If you have a partner tether (holding on to your hand/arm) it ain't so bad and turns into like a 2ft vertical jump but a 4ft horizontal gap jump. Takes 30 seconds. But then again, I wouldn't recommend my option to my 64yr-old father either.

Remember the lady who drowned in knotted rope back in 1998 I think... Anyways, she was rappelling this very section (awkward rap) in low water mode and ended up crashing into the wall and breaking her arm and getting hypothermia after hours of struggle!! Crazy stuff. Anyways, I threw it up there just as another option.

Indeed - a complete technical challenge for beginners. The canyon is very enjoyable, and I especially like the hike out of the gorge back to the airstrip.

[ratagonia]

Remember the lady who drowned in knotted rope back in 1998 I think... Anyways, she was rappelling this very section (awkward rap) in low water mode and ended up crashing into the wall and breaking her arm and getting hypothermia after hours of struggle!! Crazy stuff. Anyways, I threw it up there just as another option.


Uh, just gave you the link. Perhaps you should read it again.

She was not rapping, she was traversing around a pothole and fell in, broke her arm. Since the canyons does not require a rope, she and her husband did not have a rope. They tried stuff, but could not get her out.

Just like Zero Gravity - good idea to bring a rope.

Tom

[Bootboy]

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Just like Zero Gravity - good idea to bring a rope.

Tom
Always is.

At a minimum, I'm always carrying at least a cordelette or a short rope and webbing

[jman]

Uh, just gave you the link. Perhaps you should read it again.

She was not rapping, she was traversing around a pothole and fell in, broke her arm. Since the canyons does not require a rope, she and her husband did not have a rope. They tried stuff, but could not get her out.

Just like Zero Gravity - good idea to bring a rope.

Tom

Maybe YOU should read the article again...but perhaps I'm reading too much into the word "rappel" ??


"Marie Coray, 58, was rappelling Saturday over a "pothole" - a pool of water at the bottom of a deep crevice - when she slammed into the canyon wall and broke her arm, apparently in an attempt to swing to a trail on the other side of the pool" said Emery County Sheriff Lamar Guymon".

[Iceaxe]

She was not rapping, she was traversing around a pothole and fell in, broke her arm. Since the canyons does not require a rope, she and her husband did not have a rope. They tried stuff, but could not get her out.


WRONG!

They had plenty of rope, they just couldn't get her out. In fact one of the SAR members told me the really gruesome part about this accident was the husband had tried to tie her so she was out of the water. When SAR arrived she was dead and hanging as if caught in a spider web.



Tap'n on my Galaxy G3

[Scott P]

In fact, you can stay dry nearly for the entire canyon - except one mandatory water section which is near the end.

That part is often dry as well. At least it was when we did the canyon. There was no water at all.


They had plenty of rope, they just couldn't get her out.

That's the story we heard as well. She was traversing and fell in. I heard they did have rope, but that she couldn't climb it with a broken arm and that the husband couldn't pull her out either.

[flatiron]

Hey Jman, Think we are getting potholes mixed up. Woman died in 1st pothole right after canyon takes 90 degree turn. It is too deep to climb out by self if you go in. Most people do a sketchy but doable traverse on the right side LDC. I have seen pics where a line/handline was set or used at that PH. The pothole pictured by Slot, and where you say to jump, shows people climbing out (it can be difficult but doable and is what I have done). It is further down canyon. BTW - the link and original story on the death had several conflicting things- 1 being that she was rappelling. Not really poss to rappel around it, down into yes. But pretty sure she was traversing right side like everyone does. Also BTW - I'm not your father but this 61 yr old man will not be jumping that PH anytime soon. How about you and Jeff go back and get that on video for us more timid types?? Luv to see that. No BS. :popcorn:

[deagol]

Slotmachine, congratulations on an impressive list of canyons done over the past several days. I would feel it to have been a successful trip to have done even a quarter of that..

[ratagonia]

WRONG!

They had plenty of rope, they just couldn't get her out. In fact one of the SAR members told me the really gruesome part about this accident was the husband had tried to tie her so she was out of the water. When SAR arrived she was dead and hanging as if caught in a spider web.


Okay okay...

you mean, MY memory was not correct? :facepalm1:

And, really, even more tragic that the tools were available, but he could not figure out how to use them.

I still don't think she was actually rappelling at the time, but what do I know (not much, apparently).

Tom :moses:

[hikster11]

Like the pics. I have seen a few Tr of people going down Quandary and up Knotted Rope. I've done Quandary but have not done Knotted Rope. How difficult do you think it would be going up Knotted Rope

[Slot Machine]

Like the pics. I have seen a few Tr of people going down Quandary and up Knotted Rope. I've done Quandary but have not done Knotted Rope. How difficult do you think it would be going up Knotted Rope

Thanks!

In current conditions I think it would be pretty easy. I'd recommend a group of at least 4, and one small person to make boosting easy.

If you can't make it to the top (if conditions change), then no big deal. Just go back down and out another way.

It would be fun to try climibing Knotted Rope. I say go for it. And this is coming from someone that DOES NOT like hiking up slot canyons.