News Multiple Deaths reported in Boston Marathon Explosions [Archive]

accadacca

04-18-2013, 09:19 PM

Some crazy pictures out there...

https://fbcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/11601_569803206385050_766771118_n.jpg?dl=1

The man in the cowboy hat in this photo's name is Carlos Arredondo. Carlos was at the Boston Marathon with his wife handing out American flags to runners. He lost a son to a sniper bullet in Iraq in 2004 and a second son to suicide a few years later - a depression triggered by the death of his brother. Carlos now spends a significant amount of his time on peace activism and working with vets coming home from war and was at the Marathon to hand out flags and inspire people.

Carlos does not having any medical training but when the blast went off, he ran towards the danger, jumped two fences and found the now-famous man in the wheelchair on the ground, both his legs blown off, and suffering from severe shock and critical wounds. He got him into a wheelchair and pinched the man's artery closed with two of his fingers (you can see him doing so in the photo). Because of Carlos, this man is alive today, having had surgery earlier today to remove both of his legs.

This man is a hero and deserves recognition. This man who lost so much still threw himself into the frenzy of panic and saved another guy's life. That's Trill.

Niner

04-18-2013, 09:27 PM

Where is the rousing call to ban pressure cookers? They kill people too.

accadacca

04-19-2013, 05:55 AM

Wild night in Boston. I was listening to the Boston police scanner. I can't imagine...you'd definitely want to be armed.

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BOSTON -- The city and its suburbs were locked down Friday as the manhunt intensified for the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, hours after the suspect's older brother was killed in a dramatic firefight with police in nearby Watertown, authorities said.

A door-to-door search was underway in Watertown for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, the brother of the dead suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, law enforcement authorities told USA TODAY.

The brothers have been in the U.S. for at least a year, living as legal U.S. residents in Cambridge. Authorities are reviewing their possible ties to Chechnya -- an area of Russia plagued by Islamic insurgency -- said the official who wais not authorized to comment publicly.

The surviving suspect is believed to be the same man who dropped a backpack laden with explosives at the site of the second explosion. He was pictured wearing a white baseball cap in video images released by the FBI Thursday.

Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick ordered the entire city of Boston and its surrounding suburbs locked down and its residents to remain in their homes.

"We are asking people to shelter in place," he said.

Massachusetts shut down all mass transit, including buses and trains, in Boston and surrounding suburbs, Kurt Schwartz, director of Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency said. Schools were closed and classes canceled at most universities.

Col. Timothy Alben, Superintendent of the Massachusetts State Police, said the first suspect from Monday's bombing was shot by police in a gunfight following a pursuit that began Thursday night in Cambridge and ended a short time later in Watertown. The suspect died at a hospital.

Schwartz asked businesses in Watertown, Newton, Waltham, Belmont, Cambridge and the Alston and Brighton neighborhoods of Boston to remain closed and residents to remain indoors until the bombing suspect is caught. Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau said his town would be closed to traffic.

"This situation is grave," Massachusetts State Police Superintendent Timothy Alben said. "We are here to protect public safety."

Alben described the second suspect as a light-skinned or Caucasian male with brown curly hair, dressed in a gray hooded type sweat shirt.

"We are concerned about securing the area and making sure this individual is taken into custody," he said. "We believe this to be a terrorist. We believe this to be a man who has come here to kill people."

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis told reporters the suspect is armed and dangerous.

The manhunt for the marathon bombing suspects turned into hot pursuit at 10:30 p.m., when the two men robbed a 7-11 convenience store on the MIT campus in Cambridge, Alben said. A few minutes later, police found an MIT campus police officer shot multiple times in his car, Alben said.

The police officer died of his injuries at Massachusetts General Hospital.

A transit police officer, Richard H. Donohue Jr., 33, was reported in critical condition after being shot, police said.

The suspects carjacked a Mercedes SUV, Alben said. Police found the car and the suspects in Watertown, and pursued them into a residential neighborhood where gunfire was exchanged.

Witnesses report hearing between 15 and 50 shots.

Alben said the suspects also threw explosives from the car. Residents, witnesses and media in the area heard at least two large booms.

A Massachusetts law enforcement official, speaking on condition he not be identified by name, said that the suspect who died is thought to be the first suspect in the FBI photos of the alleged bombers, wearing a dark hat.

The Middlesex district attorney's office said in a statement that police responded to reports of an armed carjacking by two males who held a victim at gunpoint for half an hour before the hostage was released uninjured.

The Massachusetts State Police issued a Tweet at 3:45 a.m. saying police "will be going door by door, street by street, in and around Watertown'' searching for the at-large suspect.

The state police also advised residents in and around Watertown to stay inside. "Do NOT answer door unless it is an identified police officer,'' the department said.

The events unfolded overnight as the entire Boston metro area was on high alert following Monday's fatal bomb explosions during the Boston Marathon and as the FBI was leading a massive manhunt for suspects. The developments came on a day when the FBI issued photographs of two men that it said it is seeking and were seen in surveillance video carrying backpacks in the marathon race crowd on Monday before the twin explosions.

"I heard sirens, then a ton of gunshots.,'' said Adam Healy, 31, a behavioral specialist for autism who lives less than a mile from the scene. "And then I heard an explosion amid the gunshots. After the explosion, the sky lit up. "

Dan MacDonald, 40, sitting in a second story Watertown apartment, said he first heard sirens, then gunshots.

"It was about 10 to 15 shots. then there was an onslaught," he said. "There were 25 to 60 shots within 45 seconds. Then the shots stopped and boom. It was like dynamite."

Contributing: John Bacon in McLean and Gary Strauss in McLean, Va.; Melanie Eversley in Boston

Source: http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2095845

04-19-2013, 05:58 AM

One brother dead (Yeah) and a shootout just happened, no word yet on that.

accadacca

04-19-2013, 06:06 AM

Ok turning my police scanner app back on...

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Police have surrounded a home in Waterton, Massachusetts where they believe the remaining suspect linked to the Boston marathon bombings is located. He is identified as 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev of Cambridge.

The two suspects are brothers and one was killed by authorities overnight. The brothers are of Chechen origin, though had spent much of their lives in the United States.

accadacca

04-19-2013, 06:09 AM

Wow...

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae91/accadacca1/73466B2A-E35D-4004-8FCB-67893D9D56B4-519-000000A5D53A5C8B.jpg

Scott P

04-19-2013, 06:11 AM

One brother dead (Yeah)

If possible, catching the remaining one alive would be better. It is still not clear if anyone else is involved and if the last person is killed, we may not find out.

On the other hand, I hate to see millions of dollars poured into trials and detaining of such people.

accadacca

04-19-2013, 06:13 AM

:popcorn:

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae91/accadacca1/00F50CB9-78A4-42EF-AFF7-527B91774470-519-000000A6FF8D74B4.jpg

oldno7

04-19-2013, 06:17 AM

I guess this "pipedream" is gone out the door......

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_am erican/:facepalm1::facepalm1:

Scott P

04-19-2013, 06:33 AM

I guess this "pipedream" is gone out the door......

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_am erican/

He is a white American, just a foreign born one.

The word Caucasian actually originates from the Caucasus region, of which Chechnya is part of. You can't get any more white than that.

PS, the people everyone was sharing photos of were not involved and are afraid of leaving their own houses:

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/teen_stunned_at_portrayal_as_mass_bombing_suspect

04-19-2013, 06:41 AM

If possible, catching the remaining one alive would be better.
No, kill him. He killed one police officer last night and critically injured another. Knowing this section of Massachusetts all too well, this is probably where the term Masshole derived from. With that said, I wouldn't put it past these extreme liberals to basically find him not guilty in court of law. He's only 19, such a smart kid...Eff him, kill him. I'm thinking he doesn't want to get taken alive. I've been watching this thing since 1am est. There are a few funny things here. The brother was transported to a Jewish hospital, where he died :lol8: and this part of Massachusetts is so anti-gun. Now they're locked down in their houses, hoping they do not become a victim to this terrorist. Well if you owned a gun, you would not be the victim :asshat:
He's still on social media outlets saying he's killing everybody because they killed his brother. How much intel do we think we're getting from him? Nope, he's meeting Allah today.

04-19-2013, 06:48 AM

He is a white American, just a foreign born one.
Where do you get he's an American? He's been here for a year. I'm thinking those lovely student visas. And he has that all inclusive characteristic, he's Muslim.

oldno7

04-19-2013, 06:59 AM

He is a white American, just a foreign born one.

The word Caucasian actually originates from the Caucasus region, of which Chechnya is part of. You can't get any more white than that.

PS, the "dark skinned" people everyone was sharing photos of were not involved and are afraid of leaving their own houses:

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/teen_stunned_at_portrayal_as_mass_bombing_suspect

Maybe you should have read the article prior to posting!!!

oldno7

04-19-2013, 07:02 AM

Where do you get he's an American? He's been here for a year. I'm thinking those lovely student visas. And he has that all inclusive characteristic, he's Muslim.

It's "liberal think".

He's here, he has a drivers license=citizen/voter

Scott P

04-19-2013, 07:05 AM

Where do you get he's an American? He's been here for a year.

Over 10 years; according to the sources I see. :ne_nau:

Maybe you should have read the article prior to posting!!!

I did read it; even long before you posted it (it was being passed around all over FB; websites, etc.). I was pointing out the irony that the author of the article hoped the suspect of the bombing was a white American. Well, he was a white American, just not the type of white American portrayed/hoped for in the article. (I also feel bad for the accused in the news photos that had nothing to do with it).

If you guys disagree, then what is your definition of "white" or "American"?

PS, him being a white American may have more consequences than people realize. Chechnyans look just like the typical white American, so if any Chechnyan terrorist groups do have a tie to this incident, this would be even more disturbing news since any Chechnyan terrorist will be harder to pick out. That is the only reason I said it may be better to capture him alive, if possible (though this seems unlikely). If they did act alone (and let's all hope that this is the case), then I agree with you (JP) that killing the remaining suspect immediately would be best.

oldno7

04-19-2013, 07:11 AM

live news

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606219001/

Iceaxe

04-19-2013, 07:52 AM

If you guys disagree, then what is your definition of "white" or "American"?

If you are a citizen you are an American. That is pretty simple. As for white that gets tricky because just about everyone that isn't black will use the white moniker at some point in their life.

Tap'n on my Galaxy G3

oldno7

04-19-2013, 07:53 AM

You can read his descriptions under each pic.

http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/ (http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/)

Will box for passport???

Scott P

04-19-2013, 07:57 AM

If you are a citizen you are an American. That is pretty simple. As for white that gets tricky because just about everyone that isn't black will use the white moniker at some point in their life.

Agree Shane. (PS, if he isn't a citizen, then I recount the part about him being American).

Personally, I would say that the suspect looks pretty white to me:

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/51713979ecad043d5f000007-1000-750/screen%20shot%202013-04-19%20at%208.32.08%20am.jpg

Edit: after seeing Olno7's photos, there seems to be confusion as to how long he's been here and the status of his citizenship. One of the latest articles says that he's been here for 12 years. Another says he is a Turkish Citizen.

NPR is reporting that there is at least one more suspect, possibly more. Lets all hope that ALL involved are brought to justice.

Byron

04-19-2013, 08:02 AM

Well, I'm glad to see that they were able to shut this down so quickly...so now the big debate on surveillance cameras will begin. Quite frankly, I think it's unobtrusive, and every business in this country should get a 100% tax credit for installing them.

Also, the ultra liberal morons trying to turn this into a political and/or race problem just gives me more reason to despise them. The motivation of this should be paramount, not the skin color of the perp. Try to imagine the joy and satisfaction they would display if these guys turned out to be teabagging, anti government racists....sorry to piss on your parade, you stinking sissy idiots.

Another thing, this open door, "come on in" immigration policy needs some serious reform. We'll never be able to stop 100% of these knuckleheads coming over here, but in my opinion, the borders should be shut down and only those that have an education, money and a seemingly bright, constructive future ahead should be allowed in...just another reason to oppose the liberal agenda, as they would have people flowing in here from god knows where, putting them on welfare and then pointing the finger at conservatives like me when they can't assimilate and get pissed off. It'll be interesting to see what the story is on these guys, especially the older one.

I also hope the one they're looking for now gets a bullet to the head...the cops will be able to find out if there are others involved easy enough...phone and computer histories, for example.

Bottom line....be cautious about large, public events, and hope you're never in the wrong place at the wrong time...as mayhem and carnage seem to be getting quite "en vogue" these days.

Sombeech

04-19-2013, 09:25 AM

As for white that gets tricky because just about everyone that isn't black will use the white moniker at some point in their life.

Or the media will even deem you a White Hispanic to impose some racial motives.

If the victims in Boston were African American, you can bet your arse that it would have been a hate crime rather than terrorism.

Iceaxe

04-19-2013, 09:26 AM

According to KSL they are Muslim and been in the country for 10 years.

KSL Link

(http://www.ksl.com/?sid=24851662&nid=157&title=the-stories-of-2-brothers-suspected-in-bombing-&fm=home_page&s_cid=featured-2)Which is honestly one of the better stories I have read.

04-19-2013, 09:32 AM

so now the big debate on surveillance cameras will begin
These weren't "surveillance" cameras. Every store nowadays have security cameras inside their stores and have them reaching to the parking lot and or street. This way if a burglary/robbery was committed, they would capture them on video inside and possibly the getaway car outside. The outside views also can get a video of a failed break-in as well. Cops always search local business for video footage if a serious crime was committed in the nearby areas. People just don't realize where cameras are on a daily basis. People don't even know how many times a day they're being recorded.

04-19-2013, 09:35 AM

According to KSL they are Muslim and been in the country for 10 years.
That seems to be the consensus in the news being reported. The one wanted now, has a Facebook page and on his page, he indicates that he is Muslim. That's been known since they knew who they have been dealing with. Not a very friendly religion.

Scott P

04-19-2013, 09:46 AM

Also, the ultra liberal morons trying to turn this into a political and/or race problem just gives me more reason to despise them. The motivation of this should be paramount, not the skin color of the perp.

I agree that it shouldn't be a racial/political issue when it comes to pointing the finger, though to me it seems that you are doing the same thing by indirectly blaming the liberals for the bombing. Before, some liberals were even blaming the tea party. So far on this thread, someone brought up an article referring to white Americans and other commented on gun control, etc.

Bringing down those responsible is what is important. This is not a liberal vs conservative issue. Rather than pointing the finger at a political party, maybe the finger should instead be pointed at the persons who did the bombing.

04-19-2013, 09:48 AM

Bring it, bitch :lol8:

ABC: FATHER OF BOMBERS SAYS 'ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOSE' IF REMAINING SON KILLED

Anzor Tsarneaev, the father of the suspected Boston terrorists Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarneaev, reportedly warned that "all hell will break lose" if his son, who is still at large, is killed.
I learned about the incident from TV. My opinion is: the special services have framed my children, because they are practicing Muslims. Why did they kill Tamerlan? He was supposed to be caught alive. The younger is on the run now. He was a sophomore at a medical school in the U.S. We expected him to come home for vacation. Now I don't know what's going to happen. Tell you once again: I believe special services have framed my children.
In a telephone interview from the Russian city of Makhachkala with the Associated Press, Anzor Tsarneaev said,

Byron

04-19-2013, 09:52 AM

It seems that you are doing the same thing though and are blaming the liberals for the bombing.

HUH? With all due respect Scott, are you high?

The blame lies with the people who did it, period...I'm just annoyed at the pundits who cheer lead for a desired outcome, based on race and/or religion and/or skin color. I'm paying attention, and who is it that did this? That's right...liberal sad sacks.

04-19-2013, 09:53 AM

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One of the Chechen terrorists who carried out the Boston Marathon bombings could have been deported years ago after a criminal conviction and the other was granted American citizenship on the 11th anniversary of the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who never the less could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source. That means the Obama administration missed an opportunity to deport Tsarnaev but evidently didn’t feel he represented a big enough threat.
Adding insult to injury, the other bomber, little brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, was rewarded with American Citizenship on September 11, 2012 in Boston, according to JW’s source. The 19-year-old, who is still on the run, was granted asylum in Arlington Virginia on September 27, 2002, JW’s source reveals.
Years before these Chechen terrorists carried out the Boston Marathon bombings Judicial Watch uncovered critical intelligence documents (http://www.scribd.com/doc/136920952/State-Beslan-Lessons-08302011)detailing al Qaeda’s activities in Chechnya, including the creation of a 1995 camp—ordered by Osama bin Laden—to train “international terrorists” to carry out plots against Americans and westerners.
The goal, according to the once-classified documents obtained by JW in 2011, was to “establish a worldwide Islamic state capable of directly challenging the U.S., China, Russia, and what it views as Judeo-Christian and Confucian domination.” Further, radical Islamic regimes were to be established and supported everywhere possible, from “sea to sea,” including Chechnya. “Terrorist activities are to be conducted against Americans and westerners…” according to the report issued by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
In other words, it was only a matter of time before terrorists from the predominantly radical Islamic republic carried out an attack on U.S. soil. Chechnya declared independence from Russia in 1991 and Chechen militants are quite the savvy terrorists because they’ve successfully targeted Moscow with bombings and hostage plots for more than two decades.
In 2004 Chechen Islamic militants attacked a school in Beslan, North Ossetia, Russia and they murdered 380 children, parents, teachers and visitors after holding more than 1,000 captive for three days. Judicial Watch also obtained intelligence documents (http://www.scribd.com/doc/136899500/DIA-IIR-2004-pdf)from the government detailing that terrorist attack. Jointly released by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the October 12, 2004, report analyzes the Beslan terrorist attack with a view toward gleaning lessons for potential attacks on schools in the United States.
There’s no telling how many of these Chechen terrorists have infiltrated the United States or how many opportunities the government has missed to protect the country by deporting them. Osama bin Laden specifically chose Chechnya as a terrorist training camp because it’s an “area unreachable by strikes from the west,” according to the intelligence report obtained by JW years ago.

Scott P

04-19-2013, 10:05 AM

Does anyone know if there is any credibility to the above?

The last paragraph is true, but the only sites containing the first few paragraphs credit ABC , but I can't find the major News Networks (ABC, Fox, etc., etc.) saying anything about it.

Edit: Found it.

There’s no telling how many of these Chechen terrorists have infiltrated the United States or how many opportunities the government has missed to protect the country by deporting them.

The US welcomed them after the breakup of the Soviet Union.

oldno7

04-19-2013, 10:07 AM

Father of boys responds--Warning to US if son killed

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb-suspects-dad-tells-son-surrender-hell/story?id=18995936#.UXF6iLWURAF

Scott P

04-19-2013, 10:15 AM

Father of boys responds--Warning to US if son killed

Yes, found it just after posting. Thanks.

oldno7

04-19-2013, 10:23 AM

interesting..... I would want to be!!

http://thegunwire.com/blog/video-chris-wallace-on-unarmed-boston-residents/

hesse15

04-19-2013, 10:41 AM

ABC: FATHER OF BOMBERS SAYS 'ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOSE' IF REMAINING SON KILLED

Anzor Tsarneaev, the father of the suspected Boston terrorists Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarneaev, reportedly warned that "all hell will break lose" if his son, who is still at large, is killed.
I learned about the incident from TV. My opinion is: the special services have framed my children, because they are practicing Muslims. Why did they kill Tamerlan? He was supposed to be caught alive. ."

Framed: from the scattered news apparently the kids were armed with explosives and they killed a police at MIT!
if they frame me they will only found illegal Sardinian cheese and wine, not explosives!!!!
i cannot believe that somebody planned with pressure cookers,nails and other metal pieces to create intentionally planned devastations of legs and kids!

that is pure EVIL no justification could be found anywhere for something that disgousting, the religion is just a way those sick minds operate!
i am pretty sure the family must have a role in not giving the basic knowledge in how to respect human lives!
but considering that cecenyan terrorist in 2004 at Beslan with 330 people killed half of them kindergarden kids.......or the teathre massacre in moscow

not to be profiling but you never will heard stuff that bad done by a German,Italian or a French person!
and in numbers we are way more than those guys!!
probably when USA give asylum to refugees from war zone a mental evaluation will probably be a good idea, like the kid that killed in trolley square in SLC also was a war refugee!
probably been in combact zone at early age must trigger PTSD that can lead to this reaction!

so sick to think how many people went to the marathon for having fun and ended up cripple and amputees because of those piece of garbage kids, they deserved to have their 4 limbs amputee and let live their sorry lives like that!

Scott P

04-19-2013, 10:45 AM

Uncle: Boston bombing suspect 'turn yourself in'

The uncle of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects urged one of his nephews to turn himself in Friday, saying he had brought shame to the family and the entire Chechen ethnicity.

http://news.msn.com/us/video?videoid=6d55a310-b360-6d2f-9edb-a3357871a485&ap=true&ocid=ansnews11

Well, at least someone in the family seems to have a level head.

More:

The suspects' uncle told the local CBS News station (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/bombing-suspects-uncle-says-hes-shocked/) that the pair had lived in the country since 2002. The uncle, when told that one of his nephews was killed, replied that he deserved it. “He deserved his. He absolutely deserved his,” Ruslan Tsarni said. “They do not deserve to live on this earth.”

In an emotional press conference, Tsarni said his nephews had brought shame upon his family, and called them "losers." He said they were not "able to settle themselves" and were "angry at everyone who was able to." He said he did not believe they were motivated by the radical politics in Chechnya or their Muslim religion.

"Dzhokhar, If you're alive, turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness from the victims [and] the injured," he said. "He put a shame on our family. He put a shame on the entire Chechnyan ethnicity. Turn yourself in.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/boston-mit-shooting-explosion-suspect-watertown-064355149.html

The blame lies with the people who did it, period...I'm just annoyed at the pundits who cheer lead for a desired outcome, based on race and/or religion and/or skin color.

Agreed; very annoying, but also the pundits who cheer lead for a desired outcome, based on immigration issues. I agree 100% that the blame lies on those who did it.

The mentioned political issues are all very important (and I'm sure we have some common ground on this), but right now the bipartisan focus should be on and pointing the finger solely at the persons responsible.

oldno7

04-19-2013, 10:55 AM

Scott--Question

If a terrorist was on the loose in your town and you were instructed to stay indoors, would you prefer to be armed or unarmed???

Scott P

04-19-2013, 11:15 AM

Scott--Question

If a terrorist was on the loose in your town and you were instructed to stay indoors, would you prefer to be armed or unarmed???

Oldno7, why are you asking me this? I don't recall ever expressing any opinions for or against gun control on any thread and I have intentionally avoided conversations about gun control. If you must know, I am not against gun ownership and am skeptical that passing more laws concerning the matter will do much good. Beyond that I won't say anything for personal reasons that probably aren't appropriate discussion for public forum. However, if you want to PM me, I will tell you why and discuss it with you.

oldno7

04-19-2013, 11:28 AM

Oldno7, why are you asking me this? I don't recall ever expressing any opinions for or against gun control on any thread and I have intentionally avoided conversations about gun control. If you must know, I am not against gun ownership and am skeptical that passing more laws concerning the matter will do much good. Beyond that I won't say anything for personal reasons that probably aren't appropriate discussion for public forum. However, if you want to PM me, I will tell you why and discuss it with you.

I posted a link up a few, the commentator asked this question.

Personally, I would prefer to be armed, just curious your opinion.(no need to respond, sorry I asked)

I know Shanes answer:haha:

Actually I think most who are involved so far, in this thread would have the same response.

Scott P

04-19-2013, 11:30 AM

PM'd you.

Iceaxe

04-19-2013, 12:23 PM

I know Shanes answer:haha:

I just prefer to keep my options open.... I really have a hard time understanding the other point of view. To me its really simple.... if the situation is going to escalate into violence I prefer to have the option of choosing the direction of the violence. Why let someone else pick your fate?

Tap'n on my Galaxy G3

BruteForce

04-19-2013, 12:28 PM

Scott--Question

If a terrorist was on the loose in your town and you were instructed to stay indoors, would you prefer to be armed or unarmed???

Armed, and probably actively involved and on the offensive. The best defense is a strong offense!

Byron

04-19-2013, 12:38 PM

I prefer to have the option of choosing the direction of the violence. Why let someone else pick your fate?

You're right, it is hard to understand...but I've asked some of my ant-gun clients that question and they're response is always that they think the odds of them becoming involved in a shootout of some type are virtually nil. In other words, "It'll never happen to me".

Try to imagine living in Boston right now, with your doors and windows locked, hoping this maniac doesn't break a window and come in...with a gun, no less. If that were to happen, and you're unarmed...you're screwed!!! I reckon many of these people have thought "It'll never happen to me".

Watch gun sales increase in that city in the wake of this.

BruteForce

04-19-2013, 01:06 PM

So, I have to ask: In Boston, its essentially martial law, only it's not being called that (yet). Police/FLEO surround the entire city and are going door-to-door, searching vehicles while on the hunt for a 19 year old. Does a Federal Judge need to sign an open search warrant for the police to be allowed to go door-to-door, or is the FUD so pervasive that it's just happening? Thoughts?

oldno7

04-19-2013, 01:11 PM

oldno7

04-19-2013, 01:13 PM

They have also brought in the National Guard!!!

BruteForce

04-19-2013, 01:21 PM

I'm watching news video of 5-6 heavily armed _____ (police/fleo/nat guard) going house to house. Not just a peek, but marching through the entire home. Legal? Hmm.. For one 19 year old?

Sombeech

04-19-2013, 01:54 PM

Did they not have the "This is a bomb free zone" sign hung in time for the Marathon?

Scott Card

04-19-2013, 02:49 PM

I'm watching news video of 5-6 heavily armed _____ (police/fleo/nat guard) going house to house. Not just a peek, but marching through the entire home. Legal? Hmm.. For one 19 year old? There are in fact exceptions to the search and seizure provisions of the constitution re: fleeing felons...etc. I presume most searches are done with the home owner gladly opening the door though. I imagine that this issue will only come up if the cops go back to a house because they saw the mother of all bongs while searching or they fail to pay for any broken door/door frame.

accadacca

04-19-2013, 03:22 PM

Some crazy pictures out there...

Dropping the bomb...kid that was killed.
http://3acef472ce67bde310cf-07f910c1d0e2016536f5b25f3d4975da.r62.cf1.rackcdn.c om/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Martin_Richard_Suspect_Bombing_Boston_Marathon.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130418-new-fbi-photo-boston-suspects-3p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg

Fleeing scene
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2499925/Post-Boston-Explosion.jpeg

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_boston_bomb_suspects_01_ss_lpl_130418_ssh.jpg

Byron

04-19-2013, 03:56 PM

Jeez, I wish they would hurry up and find this guy and get this over with. I'll bet he's holed up in someone's house...hopefully he doesn't have hostages....uh oh, gunfire just reported!!!!

I was thinking that people should be calling their relatives and loved ones in that area...if there's no answer when someone "should" be home, or strange behavior during a conversation, the cops could zero in on those addresses...ya know what I mean? This way the public can continue to help out.

Anyway, it looks like they might be getting on top of the guy right now.

Well that was quick! The word is that he was hiding in a boat with a canvass cover over it. They say they got him, but no word yet on dead or alive.

accadacca

04-19-2013, 04:09 PM

"2nd suspect is down..."

04-19-2013, 04:15 PM

Couldn't have had a better ending

accadacca

04-19-2013, 04:23 PM

"Suspect is alive, surrounded by police and still moving."

Byron

04-19-2013, 04:42 PM

WTF??? Now they're saying the older one was interviewed by the FBI two years ago about "Islamic extremist ties"? Talk about dropping the ball.

They should surround the boat and fill it full of lead...or if they really want him alive, throw a flash bang in there and then dogpile it.

Try to imagine that backyard right now...like Neo surrounded by a thousand Agent Smiths.

04-19-2013, 04:58 PM

So, I have to ask: In Boston, its essentially martial law, only it's not being called that (yet).
No. It was a suggestion from the political and law enforcement heads. They ended a short time ago saying we cannot keep these cities locked down. The news asked if they were safe during the press conference and they just repeated not wanting to keep the cities on lock down and that they have no idea where the suspect is. They did do a huge sweep and checked houses and it turned up nada. So, they were letting people go on their normal daily business and thanked stores and businesses for not opening. Not long after the ending of that press conference, a lady noticed that the door to her boat was open and it was closed after the police checked it. She said it appears there is blood on the boat that wasn't there before and she also noticed bloody clothes. So, the heavy influx of police returned and a shootout commenced once again. They're unsure of bombs, so the robot is back.

As far as your legality question, sure is when the homeowner wants that search conducted. How many people enter their basements during the day. They'd rather have the armed to the teeth check it out :haha:

accadacca

04-19-2013, 05:44 PM

"Suspect captured alive."

04-19-2013, 05:47 PM

Before, some liberals were even blaming the tea party. So far on this thread, someone brought up an article referring to white Americans and other commented on gun control, etc.

Bringing down those responsible is what is important. This is not a liberal vs conservative issue. Rather than pointing the finger at a political party, maybe the finger should instead be pointed at the persons who did the bombing.
Well, no. Liberals were the first to hope it was a white right-winger. Before the smoke of the bombs settled. Would be great pointing the finger at the bomber, like I do. Would be great if the liberals can point the finger at the shooter (Adam Lanza, etc) and not the guns

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/assholes_zps1b941725.jpg

04-19-2013, 05:49 PM

"Suspect captured alive."

Still hope he dies from his sustained wounds :haha:

Byron

04-19-2013, 05:53 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/assholes_zps1b941725.jpgPost of the year...well done.

accadacca

04-19-2013, 06:41 PM

I wonder how he was noticed in the boat?

04-19-2013, 07:06 PM

Wife noticed the open garage door, that was previously closed. The husband went out into his backyard to check things out, pulled back the tarp, noticed him all bloodied up and ran like hell. She called the police, the helicopter flew over the boat with the FLIR activated and saw the heat signature. Job well done by all.

accadacca

04-19-2013, 07:19 PM

Ahhhh. What a crazy week!

04-20-2013, 07:41 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/529507_522051927853195_46098170_n_zpscb82a69d.jpg

Sombeech

04-20-2013, 10:30 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/529507_522051927853195_46098170_n_zpscb82a69d.jpg

Submitted by a 100% Liberal Democrat

04-20-2013, 11:16 AM

Just trying to show how they don't do things like that. And that was from an employee of the paper.

Sombeech

04-20-2013, 11:22 AM

Just trying to show how they don't do things like that. And that was from an employee of the paper.
Yeah I don't get why so many were accusing the NRA "gun nuts" of involvement before the suspects were named. I'm just not seeing a possible connection between bombers and shooters.

Iceaxe

04-20-2013, 12:27 PM

Yeah I don't get why so many were accusing the NRA "gun nuts" of involvement before the suspects were named. I'm just not seeing a possible connection between bombers and shooters.

Easy.... every liberal knows those who own and carry guns are crazed killers just waiting for an opportunity to unleash their violence on the innocent.

The big problem is the gun grabbers are clueless when it comes to guns and gun ownership. If they would educate themselves they would be a lot more successful in their attempts at gun control. Instead they provide us with funny sound bites making them look silly and making it difficult for supporters of the second amendment to take them seriously.

Tap'n on my Galaxy G3

04-20-2013, 10:23 PM

I'm just not seeing a possible connection between bombers and shooters.
You fail to possess liberal logic. It's that simple.

The big problem is the gun grabbers are clueless when it comes to guns and gun ownership. If they would educate themselves...
Absolutely. You see how clueless liberal logic is when they attempt to sound educated on this topic. It's funny to us, but scary at the same time due to all the :bert: out there.

04-20-2013, 10:37 PM

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/04/47827-13-ridiculous-cases-of-media-bias-after-boston-bombing/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2013/04/47827-13-ridiculous-cases-of-media-bias-after-boston-bombing/)

accadacca

04-22-2013, 10:54 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House says the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing will not be tried as an enemy combatant in a military tribunal.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be prosecuted in the federal court system.
He says President Barack Obama's entire national security team supports the decision.

Tsarnaev is a naturalized U.S. citizen. Carney says that under U.S. law U.S. citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. Carney says that since Sept. 11, 2001, the federal court system has been used to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists.

Tsarnaev, 19, and his older brother and suspected co-conspirator, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, were born in southern Russia.

Source: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=24892058&nid=157&title=white-house-tsarnaev-to-be-tried-in-federal-court-&fm=home_page&s_cid=featured-1

Scott P

04-22-2013, 11:04 AM

Whatever court he is tried in, I hope he gets the death penalty. In fact, it should be mandatory for all bombings such as this. Same goes for mass shootings targeting strangers, school shootings, etc. Death penalty should always be mandatory if the person is known to be guilty.

I assume one of the defenses for this trial might be that he was following his brother, but that doesn't matter.

Tsarnaev, 19, and his older brother and suspected co-conspirator, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, were born in southern Russia.

Not that it matters, but so far various media reports have said that either the brothers were born in Chechnya and others say that the younger one was actually born in Kazakhstan. Now they are saying Russia (though I guess Chechnya republic could sort of count as Russia)?

Iceaxe

04-22-2013, 01:06 PM

Whatever court he is tried in, I hope he gets the death penalty.

No death penalty in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Now if they try him in Federal Court he could get the needle.

Scott P

04-22-2013, 02:02 PM

Boston Bomb Suspect Eyed in Connection to 2011 Triple Murder
http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bomb-suspect-eyed-connection-2011-triple-murder-164354976--abc-news-topstories.html

04-23-2013, 09:35 AM

No death penalty in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Now if they try him in Federal Court he could get the needle.
It's a federal case.

oldno7

04-23-2013, 11:12 AM

He gets his day in court.

If convicted, punishment should be to set him on a pressure cooker bomb in the Nevada desert, with a pressure switch.:kboom:

Broadcast live on all networks, including aljazeera.

accadacca

04-23-2013, 11:32 AM

Scott P

04-24-2013, 06:14 AM

MAKHACHKALA, Dagestan -- A Boston mosque has refused to hold a funeral service for Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the dead suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, his aunt said Wednesday.Patimat Suleimanova said U.S. authorities had told the family they could have the 26-year-old's body.

Tsarnaev was killed during a shootout with police on Friday.His 19-year-old brother, Dzohkhar, is still hospitalized and has been charged with helping carry out the attack. His condition improved from serious to fair on Tuesday.

Suleimanova said one of the suspects' uncles approached the imam of a Boston mosque attended by the brothers to request a burial and funeral service but was declined. he did not know the name of the mosque but said it was one the family attended.

Members of The Islamic Society of Boston mosque in Cambridge, Mass., which the brothers attended, have been questioned by FBI agents, Yusufi Vali, a spokesman for the mosque said Tuesday.Asked on Tuesday whether his mosque would conduct the burial, he told reporters: "That's a decision that we'd leave up to a scholar. This one is complex because the things that this guy did were just absolutely disgraceful."

Earlier this week, Imam Talal Eid of the Islamic Institute of Boston, told The Huffington Post: "I would not be willing to do a funeral for him. This is a person who deliberately killed people. There is no room for him as a Muslim."

The brothers' parents were interviewed Tuesday by FBI agents and their counterparts at the FSB - the former KGB - in the Dagestani capital, Makhachkala, according to Heda Saratova, a human rights activist, and Zaurbek Sadakhanov, a lawyer, both of whom are assisting the parents.The authorities asked for the parents' full cooperation. They also told the mother she would be able to see Djokhar.Tuesday's interview lasted several hours and was "friendly," they said, and was due to resume on Wednesday.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/24/17893358-boston-bomb-suspects-aunt-mosque-wont-bury-tamerlan-tsarnaev#comments

Sombeech

04-24-2013, 06:21 AM

MAKHACHKALA, Dagestan -- A Boston mosque has refused to hold a funeral service for Tamerlan Tsarnaev,

They just scored some major points :2thumbs:

hank moon

04-24-2013, 08:11 AM

They just scored some major points :2thumbs:

Kinda sad, really. I suppose forgiveness is part of most major religions, but the political climate here is such that U.S. Muslims are living w/o the "freedom of religion" that many Americans enjoy.

Would your thumbs-up extend to the LDS church (hypothetically) refusing to give Mark Hoffman a funeral, if he wanted one?

Iceaxe

04-24-2013, 08:31 AM

Kinda sad, really. I suppose forgiveness is part of most major religions, but the political climate here is such that U.S. Muslims are living w/o the "freedom of religion" that many Americans enjoy.

Would your thumbs-up extend to the LDS church (hypothetically) refusing to give Mark Hoffman a funeral, if he wanted one?

FWIW: The Columbine shooters suffered similar funeral problems.

The Muslim terrorist problem will have to be solved internally by the Muslim religion if these terrorist acts are ever going to be defeated. I see this as sending a solid message that this is not what the religion stands for and believe in. The family can still hold a grave side service, but I have no problem with the religion not honoring the murderers. Hell, he already received 72 virgins thanks to the FBI and Boston police department.

On a similar note, would you be happy if a loved one was buried next to a terrorist?

hank moon

04-24-2013, 09:59 AM

FWIW: The Columbine shooters suffered similar funeral problems.

The Muslim terrorist problem will have to be solved internally by the Muslim religion if these terrorist acts are ever going to be defeated. I see this as sending a solid message that this is not what the religion stands for and believe in. The family can still hold a grave side service, but I have no problem with the religion not honoring the murderers. Hell, he already received 72 virgins thanks to the FBI and Boston police department.

On a similar note, would you be happy if a loved one was buried next to a terrorist?

I obviously don't agree; no surprise as we're rarely in harmony in these realms. But that's ok, I'll still share my pee bottle on a cold winter's night. :)

The solid message you are referring to is a political message, not a religious one. The message being: "we don't support terrorism." But that comes at a cost, with an implied moral/religious message of, "we don't support forgiveness," or "we support judgment," or the like. Not exactly in alignment with the message most religions would like to promote, but that is normal for religion, which is only human (i.e. fragmented, divided, contradictory).

Personally, I wouldn't mind a loved one being buried next to anyone - if my loved one was buried. I would hope that they might consider a less traditional method of body disposal, such as being placed atop a remote desert tower as vulture fodder, or other. Burial traditions are very wasteful.

That said, I can see how others might not like their loved ones buried next to a so-called terrorist.

Sombeech

04-24-2013, 10:07 AM

Kinda sad, really. I suppose forgiveness is part of most major religions, but the political climate here is such that U.S. Muslims are living w/o the "freedom of religion" that many Americans enjoy.

Would your thumbs-up extend to the LDS church (hypothetically) refusing to give Mark Hoffman a funeral, if he wanted one?

A lot of people would like to see main stream Muslims take more of a stand against the violence caused by their extreme fringe sects, reminding the world that they in fact do not support this behavior.

I honestly don't know much about Mark Hoffman, I suppose he's more studied by those who have a dislike towards the LDS Church to be used in debates and banter like this. Did he murder in the name of the LDS religion? If he did, I assume there would be a statement by the LDS Church distancing themselves from this behavior, and for that I would give a Thumbs Up.

Muslims have a tough stereotype to overcome, and every public step they make towards distancing themselves from these violent acts is pure Win. I would disagree that it's Kinda Sad. :ne_nau:

But this.... is kinda sad, the jump to blame other Americans rather than the obvious, for fear of political incorrectness:

65514

04-24-2013, 10:23 AM

Stealing my pics :lol8: :lol8:

I don't see the LDS having a problem turning their backs. He did try to rewrite Mormon history and killed to cover it up. But, I'm not a Mormon :mrgreen:

Scott P

04-24-2013, 10:35 AM

Did he murder in the name of the LDS religion?

No. He did it to cover up forgeries.

Perhaps a better example would be the Lafferty murders, where two brothers murdered in the name of fundamentalist mormonism.

In this case, I wouldn't blame a mainstream LDS church ward if they did not allow the funeral in an LDS church building, but they may be more open to it than the above example. They may allow such a funeral, but they don't have the same stigma from 9-11 and other incidences.

I'd have to side with Shane on this one.

Also, if the mosque did allow the funeral, regardless of their intentions, it would be seen by some as "proof" that they were condoning terrorism, even if they abhorred it. If I were a Muslim, given the circumstances, I would want to distance myself as far away from the bombers as I could.

Sombeech

04-24-2013, 10:57 AM

Also, if the mosque did allow the funeral, regardless of their intentions, it would be seen by some as "proof" that they were condoning terrorism, even if they abhorred it. If I were a Muslim, given the circumstances, I would want to distance myself as far away from the bombers as I could.

Exactly. This shows the world that there are some Muslims willing to stand up against terrorism and hence scoring valuable points against the unfortunate stereotype.

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hank moon

04-24-2013, 10:58 AM

Iceaxe

04-24-2013, 11:23 AM

FWIW: Mark Hoffman grew up on the same street I lived on five houses down from me, I knew who he was but never hung out with him. We bumped into each other through the years at neighborhood and church social events. I do know his story inside and out. His parents still live five houses down from my mother.

To keep it simple, Hoffman did what he did for greed and not religion, his bombing targets were also specific and well chosen in his goal to cover up his forgeries. I don't think Hoffman was a terrorist by definition, he was not attempting to create an atmosphere of terror, he was a criminal attempting to cover up his crimes by killing those who could implicate him.

Hoffman only targeted the LDS church with his "White Salamander Letter" after the church history department started to unravel his forgeries. The White Salamander Letter was Hoffman's attempt to discredit the churches history department. Outside of that Hoffman only targeted the LDS church because that's where the money was and it was what he knew.

YMMV :cool2:

Sombeech

04-24-2013, 01:39 PM

'Beech, thanks for the reply. My question to you used Mark Hoffman b/c I thought he would be somewhat familiar to you, would probably be branded a "terrorist" today, etc. FAIL. I guess the base question is, could you forgive such a "terrorist" or not? Kind of a personal question, I know. I'm not sure I could. I like to think I could, but not having faced the situation, I can only speculate. Lots of value in that, eh? :)

Check out Hoffman's story sometime. Pretty fascinating. I'm not sure how it could be used to indicate dislike for the LDS church, but it's easy and normal for the mind to filter in its own interest.

Well, from what I gather, he was attacking the LDS Church, not killing to promote it's domination. So it's pretty different from the Islamists who kill in the name of Islam.

Would a funeral be held at an LDS Church for such a man? Sure, I don't see why not. Many non LDS folks have their viewings and such in LDS Chapels because of the free service. I would assume the world would know that the LDS Church did not sponsor or condone the actions of the man attacking them. It also doesn't send the signal that the LDS Church supported what the deceased stood for just by holding a funeral within the chapel.

My point is simply, the Muslims need to take any advantage they can to fight this stereotype that they condone the violence in the name of Islam. When it comes to forgiveness, I'm not very well rehearsed on their philosophy of forgiveness, so I don't know if they should bury their grievances with the accused and host the funeral anyways. The LDS Church? I think it would be bad form to refuse the funeral service to anybody, no matter what kind of life they lived.