CCP Holder In Oregon Mall Shooting

[Glockguy]

Interesting this hasn't popped up much. Get the word out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD52IxplEoM&feature=share

[accadacca]

Great kid. Wish he had a clean shot. :cool2:

[reverse_dyno]

The facts ma'am, nothing but the facts.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

This article summarizes the scientific literature on the health risks and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her family. For most contemporary Americans, scientific studies indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit. The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in. Thus, groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the home.

[rockgremlin]

The facts ma'am, nothing but the facts.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

This article summarizes the scientific literature on the health risks and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her family. For most contemporary Americans, scientific studies indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit. The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in. Thus, groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the home.

How is the American Academy of Pediatrics qualified to make a statement on this topic?

And how many toddler/child deaths per capita are a result of handguns in the home as opposed to....pitbulls, swimming pools, busy streets, fireworks, acts of god, etc, etc, etc?

[double moo]

Tried to find current stats, but none of them seemed easy to reproduce here... so I copied in these instead. In a nut shell we have 3 to 5 times more accidental drownings per year than accidental shootings. Factoring in how many swimming pools there are vs how many guns - the numbers are more like a shitload more.

Fact... Accidental drownings at home are far more likely in homes with swimming pools. Just in case the Society of Pediatric Guys hasn't weighed in on this yet.




In 2004, there were 3,308 unintentional drownings in the United States, an average of nine people per day.(CDC 2006)

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention


In 2004, of all children 1-4 years old who died, 26% died from drowning (CDC 2006). Fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children ages 1 to 14 years (CDC 2005)


U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention


It is estimated that for each drowning death, there are 1 to 4 nonfatal submersions serious enough to result in hospitalization. Children who still require cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) at the time they arrive at the emergency department have a poor prognosis, with at least half of survivors suffering significant neurologic impairment.


American Academy of Pediatrics





19% of drowning deaths involving children occur in public pools with certified lifeguards present.
Drowning Prevention Foundation

A swimming pool is 14 times more likely than a motor vehicle to be involved in the death of a child age 4 and under.

Orange County California Fire Authority

Children under five and adolescents between the ages of 15-24 have the highest drowning rates.
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

An estimated 5,000 children ages 14 and under are hospitalized due to unintentional drowning-related incidents each year; 15 percent die in the hospital and as many as 20 percent suffer severe, permanent neurological disability.


National Safety Council

Of all preschoolers who drown, 70 percent are in the care of one or both parents at the time of the drowning and 75 percent are missing from sight for five minutes or less.


Orange County, CA, Fire Authority

The majority of children who survive (92 percent) are discovered within two minutes following submersion, and most children who die (86 percent) are found after 10 minutes. Nearly all who require cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) die or are left with severe brain injury.


National Safe Kids Campaign

[double moo]

To continue... Guns are safer than doctors - at least according to the AMA.

http://www.health-care-reform.net/causedeath.htm

[double moo]

Pres Obama's drone program has killed more civilians than all the U.S. rampage shootings in the last 20 years. Many of the victims are children - more than 20... Where's the outrage?

Facts are there, just gotta look 'em up.

Wherein we just reelected him does that mean we are condoning the reckless use of drones? Nancy and Harry drone on every time they open their mouths... So I guess we like drones. Change the laws to get rid of drones and we lose half of Washington. Not a bad plan. Have the Pediatric Guys weighed in on predator Drones?

I'm droning on now...

[rockgremlin]

Concur with all moo X 2 has droned on about.

We pick and choose which tragedy to react to. 18 kids in Connecticut die and we are beside ourselves. How many hundreds (thousands?) of kids has the U.S. killed in the middle east due to "collateral damage?"

[Byron]

The facts ma'am, nothing but the facts.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

This article summarizes the scientific literature on the health risks and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her family. For most contemporary Americans, scientific studies indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit. The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in. Thus, groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the home.Obviously, Mr. Dyno...you should never consider the idea of buying a firearm. Just one of the little things that will help make your personal world a perfect place. If you were inclined to go on a crusade regarding this, then good luck convincing most gun owners that having the thing in their house will make them sick. Wish upon a star, eh?

[dweaver2130]

The facts ma'am, nothing but the facts.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

This article summarizes the scientific literature on the health risks and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her family. For most contemporary Americans, scientific studies indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit. The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in. Thus, groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the home.

So the point is.....Homes with guns have less a risk for a gun accident than homes with guns...hmmm.
Did you also know that Non-ambulatory people have almost no risk for a hunting accident. And people with severe acrophobia have little chance of dying in a parachute accident.

So how many of these mass shootings have been perpetrated by a suspect who legally attained the firearm, and followed the laws restricting their carry in the areas where they committed this act? If these obviously disturbed people had only followed the laws restricting their ability to purchase the firearms, followed the age restrictions on carry and purchase of assault weapons and handguns, followed the carry restrictions in areas like schools, malls, movies theaters, and restaurants none of these horrific attacks would have occurred.

So if these laws that are supposed to prevent these acts from occurring are in place, and we have citizens still ignoring the laws and restrictions, what makes anyone think that further restrictions will finally get it through to these people that what they are doing is wrong?

Another interesting fact involves the difference between legal and illegal gun owners. Only 3% of all gun crime is committed by people who legally attained the firearm used in the crime. Which means that the other 97% of gun crime is committed by people who have illegally attained the firearm used.

We just had a large amount of rallies in this country involving the 99% vs the 1% over taxation and wealth. A big argument begin fairness and equality in the taxation and wealth. So if less than 1% of the legal gun owners are committing the crimes, why are the other 99% going to be punished and have their rights revoked.

i understand that some people think that since some people cannot be trusted with weapons, everyone should have to sacrifice to protect our fellow American's and I understand. With how high the mortality rates are for activities like driving, parachuting, Alcohol OD, swimming, bathing, working, police work, firefighting, etc...why have we not outlawed these activities. Obviously since some people cannot be trusted going to work safely, driving, parachuting, drinking, or even taking a bath safely, we, who are responsible, should all sacrifice to protect our neighbors who cannot be responsible.

[oldno7]

Excellent post dweaver:2thumbs:

[cchoc]

Correlation does not imply causation. The first victim in the Connecticut shooting, for example, had a lot of guns and knew how to use them but was killed by one of her own guns. This is true but of no statistical or predictive value. Most of the examples I have seen are in the same vein. Every act has a root cause independent of the means used to complete the act, that is what we should be searching for, not convenient sound bites and bullet points.

[Sombeech]

The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns.

This is also saying that "Home Swimming Pool Drownings" are more likely to occur at homes that have swimming pools, than at homes that are "Swimming Pool Free Zones".

If you don't have a swimming pool at home, the risk of drowning in your own swimming pool reduces drastically.

[oldno7]

This is also saying that "Home Swimming Pool Drownings" are more likely to occur at homes that have swimming pools, than at homes that are "Swimming Pool Free Zones".

If you don't have a swimming pool at home, the risk of drowning in your own swimming pool reduces drastically.

There ya go throwing logic and common sense into the fray--that is un-fair and un- called for.........

[Iceaxe]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics!

[Rob L]

Iceaxe, please remember that 96.9% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[Rob L]

Now it's 98.37%

[accadacca]

An old classic...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZod2qyyN4&sns=em