Agenda 21

[oldno7]

This, I'm sure has tom and hank all giddy.

study up, 4 presidents have signed off on it.

and to help get you started, heres the map, proposed by the un, of the USA

The ONLY way this can happen, globally is by reducing the USA from a perceived "wealthy" country, to a mediocre country.

And No--this isn't new. It started in 1992

read up, post your thoughts.

[stefan]

uhh ... are you really bringing this up now because of that snake oil salesman glenn beck?

[oldno7]

I don't listen to Glenn Beck, thanks for asking.......

I'm all ears--is there something you dispute about agenda 21?

[rockgremlin]

Who's Glenn Neck - errrr...Beck? :haha:

[stefan]

I don't listen to Glenn Beck, thanks for asking.......

I'm all ears--is there something you dispute about agenda 21?

considering he just came out with a book on it (at least stamped his name on a book written by someone else), then your timing suggests you're riding his wave. enjoy the surf, i mean, hype!

[rockgremlin]

stefan - how do you know so much about Glenn Beck? You a fan er somethin?

[rockgremlin]

I predict this is headed straight to the Basement ala Environmental Issues. I also predict Agenda 21 won't get off the ground until...well forever. We can't even ratify the Kyoto Protocol, let alone enact something as massive and all encompassing as A21. The USA is run not by congress, nor the president, but by lobbyists with endless power and money.

A21 was conceived in 1992, and I just barely heard about it when I opened this thread. Doesn't seem so menacing.

[oldno7]

considering he just came out with a book on it (at least stamped his name on a book written by someone else), then your timing suggests you're riding his wave. enjoy the surf, i mean, hype!Always appreciate your educated and well thought out answers. Feel free to extrapolate on the ACTUAL subject, if your not ignorant!!

[rockgremlin]

Always appreciate your educated and well thought out answers. Feel free to extrapolate on the ACTUAL subject, if your not ignorant!!

Dude - don't get uptight about him. He's a troll. Just another version of restrac2000.

I'm a troll too, but at least I admit it. Takes one to know one.

[Scott P]

if your not ignorant!!

When referring to someone as ignorant, please use proper grammar. The correct usage is; "if you're not ignorant".

[oldno7]

When referring to someone as ignorant, please use proper grammar. The correct usage is; "if you're not ignorant".


:lol8::lol8::lol8:
Thats all ya got:roflol:

better go bake a heart shaped cake or sumthin:haha:

[Deathcricket]

:lol8::lol8::lol8:
Thats all ya got:roflol:

better go bake a heart shaped cake or sumthin:haha:

Oh no he didn't!!!!

No clue what this threayd is evan ubout, but I am really injoying it reguardless. :2thumbs:

[oldno7]

When referring to someone as ignorant, please use proper grammar. The correct usage is; "if you're not ignorant".

:2thumbs:

[oldno7]

When referring to someone as ignorant, please use proper grammar. The correct usage is; "if you're not ignorant".

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Whew--I hope I get it right next time, dang Utah educashion.....

Any thoughts on Agenda 21 while your hear?:ne_nau:

[oldno7]

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[Scott P]

Thats all ya gothttp://www.bogley.com/forum/images/smilies/roflol.gif

No; I'm just messing with you a little. You recently told me to lighten up and to have a sense of humor, so there it is.:haha:

[oldno7]

No; I'm just messing with you a little. You recently told me to lighten up and to have a sense of humor, so there it is.:haha:

Absolutely well played:2thumbs:

Um--any thoughts on the original topic?

Seems like a bad plan for the USA(imo)

Stefan seems to like it

what say you?

[Scott P]

what say you?

I have to take more time and study it first since I don't know that much about it yet. Right now, I have to go though, but will look at it later.

[rockgremlin]

I think the only people who know about about it are stefan and Nanci Pelosi. And maybe the president of France...

[Deathcricket]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

this cant be serious. People aren't that dumb.... yet.

[Sandstone Addiction]

"Centralized control of all human life on planet earth"

I'm not a big fan of Beck, he is kind of wacked, but what he says makes more sense than anything I've heard so far.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=esJY2SK_4tE#!


I would love to hear anyone with anything good to say about this garbage...

[Dman]

Is it just me or does Glen kinda look like the kid from the Christmas Story? Not a fan of him either but he has a point.

[Byron]

All these people really have to do is select about a million people who are deemed "worthy" and kill off the rest...then everything would be perfect. The planet is packed with way too many pesky humans. If they can pull that off, then the reset would be hit and of course they'd get it right next time around.

This kind of stuff used to be considered nutcase, conspiracy crap...but these people are at the upper echelons of power, and given that the populace seems willing to just lay down and take it, perhaps it is truly inevitable.

I truly believe that overpopulation will get the best of us...perhaps 75 years from now, certainly not more than 200. I sure am glad that I never bothered to have any kids. The politics of all this seem pretty scary, but it'll sell because so many believe that these people actually have our best interests in mind...they really know what's best, don't they?

Maybe it's not such a bad thing that they're laying out a "plan"...although I can't help but think that plan "B" would be to invent a super, killer virus to cull the herd by 6 billion or so. Oh well, I'm 49 years old, so if none of this stuff comes to fruition in the next 40 years, I'm good to go. I just hope all the money I've saved is still worth something...that's actually my primary concern.

Maybe that's what they're actually up to...collapse the value of currency worldwide and then reorganize after the ensuing chaos. It's been said that we're only 3 missed meals away from anarchy...things are quite strange these days, eh?

[ratagonia]

There's plenty of paranoid ravings out there... take your pick!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=bR2Qyy7KA9U&feature=endscreen

[ratagonia]

another


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmJtaOO2etc

[ratagonia]

ravings....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns0xDdQ43aQ

[ratagonia]

and the truly tormented...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMShxAq7XQ

[oldno7]

Damnnnn tom, your lack of intelligence on this subject is shining through......

This is not a THEORY it is a FACT...get the difference????

Now if you want theory---How bout imlay canyon gear sends all it's jobs to the Philippines and with the money saved from not using US labor, is able to support wacked out, environmental agendas....

now theres a theory------OR NOT!!!!!

Money spent with imlay canyon gear(tom) is money towards shutting down land access...

Still want to hijack my threads tom?

Now if maybe you wanted to be a contributor, you could show us all where anything that is mentioned above is not true.....

[ratagonia]

Always nice to have a polite, intelligent discussion with YOU, Kurty.

Did you want to discuss what Agenda 21 actually is? or are you just wanting people to buy into the paranoid delusions of the Tea Partiers?



Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) with regard to sustainable development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_development). It is a product of the UN Conference on Environment and Development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Conference_on_Environment_and_Development) (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro), Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil), in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels. The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st century. It has been affirmed and modified at subsequent UN conferences.
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Agenda 21 in the United StatesThe United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21, but because Agenda 21 is not a treaty, the Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senate) was unable to hold a formal debate or vote on it, nor was it ratified in any way by the executive branch. Several congressmen and senators, however, have spoken in Congress in support of Agenda 21; these include Representative Nancy Pelosi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi), Senator John Kerry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry), and Senator Harry Reid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid).[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-10)
In the United States, over 528 cities are members of ICLEI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICLEI), an international sustainability organization that helps to implement the Agenda 21 and Local Agenda 21 concepts across the world. The United States has nearly half of the ICLEI's global membership of 1,200 cities promoting sustainable development at a local level.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-11)The United States also has one of the most comprehensively documented Agenda 21 status reports.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-12)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agenda_21&action=edit&section=15)]Opposition in the United StatesDuring the last decade, opposition to Agenda 21 has increased within the United States at the local, state, and federal levels. TheRepublican National Committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_National_Committee) has adopted a resolution opposing Agenda 21, and the Republican Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)) platform stated that "We strongly reject the U.N. Agenda 21 as erosive of American sovereignty."[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-13)[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-14) Several state and local governments have considered or passed motions and legislation opposing Agenda 21.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-15)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-16)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-17)[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-18)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-nyt-3)[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-HuffPost-19) Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama) became the first state to prohibit government participation in Agenda 21, but Arizona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona) rejected a similar bill.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-alabama-4)
Activists, some of whom have been associated with the Tea Party movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement) by the The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) and The Huffington Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Huffington_Post), have said that Agenda 21 is a conspiracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracies_(political)) by the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) to deprive individuals of property rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_property).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-nyt-3)[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-HuffPost-19) Columnists in The Atlantic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic)have linked opposition to Agenda 21 to the property rights movement in the United States.[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-20)[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-HuffPost-19) A poll of 1,300 United States voters by the American Planning Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Planning_Association) found that 9% supported Agenda 21, 6% opposed it, and 85% thought they didn't have enough information to form an opinion.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-HuffPost-19) Conservative talk-show host Glenn Beck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck) co-authored a novel, Agenda 21, which is critical of Agenda 21.[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21#cite_note-21)

[oldno7]

nice paste and copy,tommie boy

I've read all that and more.

Now can you define "sustainable development"?

and more so, how it is to be applied in this context?

and how it is to be adapted in the USofA?

[ratagonia]

nice paste and copy,tommie boy

I've read all that and more.

Now can you define "sustainable development"?

and more so, how it is to be applied in this context?

and how it is to be adapted in the USofA?

I probably could Kurt.

But I choose not to.

If it was in the context of something other than paranoid delusions, perhaps...

Tom

[ratagonia]

I predict this is headed straight to the Basement ala Environmental Issues. I also predict Agenda 21 won't get off the ground until...well forever. We can't even ratify the Kyoto Protocol, let alone enact something as massive and all encompassing as A21. The USA is run not by congress, nor the president, but by lobbyists with endless power and money.

A21 was conceived in 1992, and I just barely heard about it when I opened this thread. Doesn't seem so menacing.

(But to be fair, it was not Kurt who linked this to the crazies)

I agree with the Gremlin of ROCK! Due to US Politics, it is 100% irrelevant. Except as ammunition for the paranoid delusions of the crazies, which is also pretty irrelevant.

Tom

[oldno7]

I probably could Kurt.

But I choose not to.

If it was in the context of something other than paranoid delusions, perhaps...

Tom

Didn't think so!!!!!

Delusional is maybe one who cannot address reality.

What part of agenda 21 is not real?

The goal of this thread was to educate.

By the way--for your's and stefans benefit--I don't have cable t.v. and therefore don't listen to Glenn Beck OR Fox news(amazing huh)

I have had no association with the tea party

I prefer to think on my own

I know--hard for a cut and paster like yourself to believe someone has their own thoughts.

[stefan]

The goal of this thread was to educate.

By the way--for your's and stefans benefit--I don't have cable t.v. and therefore don't listen to Glenn Beck OR Fox news(amazing huh). I have had no association with the tea party


i think it goes without saying, kurt, that you don't need to be connected directly to any of these to be riding the wave that's been generated recently.

"sustainable development" has been a topic of conversation and action for decades now. it's even made its way into MBA programs and has become a part of business in general. humans don't exist in a vacuum.

in any case, the onus is on you, kurt. posting a little map and scant to no information doesn't educate nor does it indicate what you think is the real concern and whether it is a valid concern.

[oldno7]

I guess maybe I disagree with the onus.

I think it should be on anyone who is inquisitive and might wonder of intent.

I have no love of the un so my direction is easily calculated, without aides that assist my thought's such as GB, Fox, et.all.

[rockgremlin]

So then, without taking any cues from Fox or Facebook, etc...where did you get your info about A21 then?

No disrespect, I was just curious where you got your data from, and why you consider A21 so threatening?

I remember taking an ecology course in college, and sustainable development was a very important part of the course. Agenda21 wasn't even mentioned. I agree with the notion of sustainable development. I think it's a valuable concept for anyone dealing with natural resources, amongst other things. I think we can manage our own sustainable development without the U.N. telling us how.

[oldno7]

Al Gore invented this thing called the intrawebs a few years back, I first heard of agenda 21 there, also found it to be a rather informative medium.

I'm not personally threatened but as I've stated--I have no use for the un or it's policy, especially as it may be applied to this country.(I'm talking ALL un policy, not just this one)

[oldno7]

Do a search on the amount of money the US GIVES and has given to the un.

I sure hope that cut is on the fiscal cliff agenda.