KTM Talk

[REDFOX]

Acca, what bike is your dad riding ? What years of a ktm xcw would you recommend or stay away from ?

[accadacca]

My dad borrowed double moo's '08 530 EXC. He's usually on a 625 SXC.

I'm not really sure what years are best or if there is a bad year for a KTM. There are better years... I know they updated some stuff in '09, then again in '12. If I was researching I'd do it on ktmtalk.com or advrider.com. double moo has read quite a bit about it. Btw, EXC = street from the factory and XCW = dirt from the factory.

[Mtnseeker1]

So xc-f is both of those worlds?
Them boy's (Pro-Cycle) can get me out the door on a 13 XC-W 450 at $9960:doorpeak:

I'm thinking I'll never own a brand new bike.:lol8:
I'm also thinking that the F model might be more to my liking.

[double moo]

So xc-f is both of those worlds?
Them boy's (Pro-Cycle) can get me out the door on a 13 XC-W 450 at $9960:doorpeak:

I'm thinking I'll never own a brand new bike.:lol8:
I'm also thinking that the F model might be more to my liking.

I don't know the real designation monikers... but these will keep you close enough.

SX super cross
MXC moto cross country
EXC enduro cross country - street legal gear standard
XC cross country
XCW cross country wide ratio - can be made street legal easily

[Garbanzo]

So xc-f is both of those worlds?
Them boy's (Pro-Cycle) can get me out the door on a 13 XC-W 450 at $9960:doorpeak:

I'm thinking I'll never own a brand new bike.:lol8:
I'm also thinking that the F model might be more to my liking.

Call around. You can probably pick up a 2011 Husa FE 390 like Scotts for close to 6500.00. if you're looking for new.
It won't have the hit your yz450 has, but it won't matter once you ride it.:mrgreen: Remember, we're not riding on a track.:cool2:

[accadacca]

Wow! Not bad...350 :naughty:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=22676522&cat=236&lpid=&search=KTM

[accadacca]

Lotta Katoom's: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=231&sid=74268&cat=236&search=KTM&zip=Enter%20Zip%20Code&distance=&min_price=&max_price=&type=&category=142&subcat=&sold=&city=&addisplay=&sort=1&userid=&markettype=sale&adsstate=&nocache=1&viewSelect=list&viewNumResults=12&pid=0

[accadacca]

450 EXC http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=22584511&cat=236&lpid=3&search=KTM

[accadacca]

450 XC-W http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=21655806&cat=236&lpid=4&search=KTM

[accadacca]

Wow, clean 450 XC-F: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=22038723&cat=236&lpid=6&search=KTM

[accadacca]

Now that's a TANK! http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=22437705&cat=236&lpid=8&search=KTM

[moab mark]

That 350 looks nice.

[Mtnseeker1]

So if I go the KTM direction and for those that understand my limited skills that have and have rode with me.
Should I be looking towards a XC-W or a lighter XC-F in the four stroke? Say a 450xc-w vs a350 xc-f?
I can't afford anything brand new and I don't think I'd buy anything brand new if I could.
So I'm looking for something like a 2010 plus if I can keep it about $7400 or most likely less.
And can I make an xc-f street legal with simple plug and ride lights?

[accadacca]

XC-W all the way...

[accadacca]

http://www.dirtrider.com/tests/off-road-bikes/141_1110_2012_ktm_450_xc_w_first_test/

[Mtnseeker1]

Yeh I'm so digileterit that I have never even heard of a pay for email thing in my hole darn life bro.:lol8: KTM talk needs this what everthingy.
But I'm skipping ahead and will check out the other.:lol8:
But I do here that the wide range gears suck ass on hill climbs:ne_nau::lol8: I like second gear to climb myself.:fitz: gives me one more option but then again you have already seen me on trail and on hill.

[Mtnseeker1]

K I read it but tell me this acca? If I want this 450 xc-w to really get with the program? Can I make her wheel stand anywhere in the throttle or do I have to be at what I'd suspect about 75% to make it happen?

For instance if I just came around a slightly up hill corner and I'm lugging her for traction and all of a sudden there is a stump in my way do I have to clutch or will I have the power I can sit back a tad and goose that bitch to get it up and over?

Everyone says wide ratio gears are best on the trail and I just don't know and I question the power band to do tricky or needed things and I hope I make some since here but my communication skills suck ass.

If I have the luxury of not stalling at massive torque on the bottom I have nothing to worry about but at almost ten K I want to get it right.

[Mtnseeker1]

Man if I could only put that XR motor in a 250 lbs bike with an electric magic button I would be a happy camper for sure.
That pig can lug like no other but as she does you almost always tip over.LMAO
THe thing is I have so much to learn like how to cross big logs and such and I just have this gut feeling that sometimes you need power right now baby and spread gears give me an uneasy feeling about that one. It's a lot easier to grab more gear when they are closer but desert riding turns that all around.

Is there any dealers that could let me test ride to get a feel maybe for what I have in my head?

[Mtnseeker1]

The thing is I bet that the new 350 is just about every bit as fast as a few years ago 450 when it is all said and done.
BUT? When and where you shift is sometimes the difference between making a climb or corner or rock garden or NOT!
With a shorter gear box it is not that hard to keep your rpm up with the clutches that we have available to us now days but to over lugg and not be able to get out of first gear can be a very bad thing for sure when you need to get your speed up. Mud ,rocks , and mostly sand climbs.
How many times have WE in our rides been bogged down to this very thing and then spin your wheels so much to make up the difference of speed?????

It is easy to see when this happens to riders as the first thing they do is sit back down in the saddle and duck paddle.
But if you watch the boys that roll hard they can stay on their feet in the pegs Standing up and roll through the tough stuff with ease!!!!!
IN the right gear or darn close for the terrain.

There is a lot of ways to make minor gear changes and I did this with my YZ to make her more trail friendly for ME

But I do worry a little when all I hear is wide ratio for trails and yet I don't see it in the pros when they hit shit I would never dream of and they flip the bike this way and then that like it was a trials bike. (NOW THERE IS A CLUE).

Now to the real problem: Do the close range gears build enough momentum to make up the difference? :D

I like what I see in the TRIALS getty up program.

So I guess in short this is exactly why I'm looking at the XC-F model at this time. But I have not purchased nothing as of yet and am all ears at this point.

[accadacca]

Read this: http://www.dirtbikemagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=news&mod=News&mid=9A02E3B96F2A415ABC72CB5F516B4C10&tier=3&nid=ADA12C7269844964822AD39EB49FE7AD

[Garbanzo]

Pretty simple stuff. If you ride track, buy a track bike. If not, buy an enduro. There is no good reason to buy a short shifter for the desert or mountains. Crawl and do 90, or struggle in tech stuff and do 60. Just sayin.....

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[Mtnseeker1]

Thanks guys this helps me out a bunch.

[accadacca]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/05/eta3e9e2.jpg

[Garbanzo]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/05/eta3e9e2.jpg

Don't fight it. New dealer in Idaho Falls. Getting closer. Not that you'll need them.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/05/nazy5u3a.jpg

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[REDFOX]

Quit that ! 2 of us already have KTM on our brains and 1 of us does multiple postings. :lol8:

[accadacca]

Quit that ! 2 of us already have KTM on our brains and 1 of us does multiple postings. :lol8:
:naughty:

[accadacca]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/05/erany8eb.jpg

[accadacca]

http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/2012-ktm-unveils-2013-off-road-lineup%205.jpg

[REDFOX]

I wonder if the 2 stroke could be plated ?

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[accadacca]

I wonder if the 2 stroke could be plated ?

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Yep.

[accadacca]

TWO WHEEL DIRT BIKES

A. Two Wheel Dirt Bikes
1. Two wheel dirt bikes may be inspected provided that they have been modified to be street legal. They shall be equipped with the following items, which shall comply with the regulations of the department (UCA 41-6a-1506).

a. One head lamp which, when factory equipped with an automatic lighting ignition system, shall not be disconnected.

b. One tail lamp.

c. Either a tail lamp or a separate lamp which shall be so constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear registration plate.

d. One red reflector on the rear, either as part of the tail lamp or separately.

e. One stop lamp.

f. A braking system, other than a parking brake, as provided in UCA 41-6a-1623.

g. A horn or warning device in accordance with UCA 41-6a-1625.

h. A muffler and emission control system in accordance with UCA 41-6a-1626.

i. A mirror in accordance with UCA 41-6a-1627.

j. Tires must be highway approved in accordance with UCA 41-6a-1636.

k. Non-metal gas tanks are acceptable.

l. Equipped with turn signals if manufactured after January 1, 1973 (49 CFR 571.108 and UCA 41-6a-1601).

[Mtnseeker1]

I think but am not sure that you need a strong enough battery system to keep lights on for 20 minutes for emergency purposes.

I thought if your frame was stamped for off highway use only then you could not tag them. Most times it's just a sticker.:ne_nau:

Is this just hog wash?

[fourtycal]

I thought if your frame was stamped for off highway use only then you could not tag them. Most times it's just a sticker.:ne_nau:

Is this just hog wash?

I beleive in Utah that if it passes safety inspection rules (as posted above by acca) that it can be licensed street legal. I know of a couple of CR500's made street legal using a rechargeable battery that lasts long enough for the inspection station to check the lights and horn.

[accadacca]

My Husaberg is for off highway use from the factory. :cool2: Yeah at most places they just ask you to turn the light on and that is with the engine running. My KTM 620 had a small battery and it would only power the light well at a little higher RPM. The blinkers barely worked at idle and the headlight was very dim.

This ain't Kalifornistan! :lol8:

[Mtnseeker1]

Thank goodness we in Utah are behind times a little.:lol8:

[Garbanzo]

Thank goodness we in Utah are behind times a little.:lol8:

Behind the times but ahead of the pack. :nod:

[accadacca]

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/554256_509288509090640_622113438_n.jpg?dl=1

[Mtnseeker1]

One down and one to go.
I may have to get a small loan while I wait for the XR to sell but I am just right close to a KTM.
If lady luck will just shine her behind for a day or two it will be a done deal.:ride:

[Mtnseeker1]

Guess I'm taking a little ride Tuesday to see if it's the KTM that just might follow me home.
Not as new as I was hoping for but that's how the lifestyles of the poor and unknown go.
Wide six big bore with street kit. Should keep me happy on the trails and dez fast stuff.

[Mtnseeker1]

OK team orange/Blue and Yellow:lol8:.

I'm looking for you guru's that know how to unlock the ECU and just what mods I may be in need of to make a 12 500XC-W rock hard but manageable in the single track stuff.
This FI stuff just is soooo confusing.
Still need to learn how to de smog also.:lol8:

If all works out right I'll be home Thursday with more questions.:facepalm1:

[accadacca]

You shouldn't need to de smog. The XCW comes setup for dirt from the factory. It's the EXC that would come street and need a de smog.

[Mtnseeker1]

And that right there is why this noob needs to know:lol8:.

I'm so stoked I'm shaken in my boots and hope this one will be the last one for a very long time.:haha:

[Garbanzo]

I rode a 12 xcw500 two weeks ago. It was a short stint and the bike was not set up for me, but I can tell you it's a sweetheart. Lots of power with a great suspension. You won't need anything for a long time! !

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[Mtnseeker1]

Good to hear cause this noob needs a long long long time before the next bike at least in this world:lol8:

[accadacca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngXj16x0-Zs&sns=em

[Mtnseeker1]

I did save enough for a can of orange paint and a can of silver paint to fix my to toe clips on my boots and change from red to orange riding gear:lol8:

[accadacca]

Another great video and article: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/179/10437/Motorcycle-Article/2012-KTM-500-XC-W-First-Ride.aspx

[Mtnseeker1]

Then I'll get a little number 4 decal and place it over the 5 and I'll never know the diff. trust me.

[Garbanzo]

Good to hear cause this noob needs a long long long time before the next bike at least in this world:lol8:

Its the bike that won't leave you wanting. Lots of everything. FI is wonderful! It adapts to altitude and temperature so you don't have to do anything. HIGHLY SUGGEST Startron Fuel Additive. Also a tank filler screen sock. They're cheap insurance for keeping the fuel system clean.

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[Mtnseeker1]

I guess it's time to get educated to the life of Orange.
First mod will most diffenantly be the Fast Flex set up.
They are real wrist savers and I let my last set go with my YZ.
:ne_nau:

[accadacca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0VmEIx5Go&sns=em

[accadacca]

This guy is much smoother.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hsngMKV1Zw&sns=em

[accadacca]

In my kids toy room... :naughty:

61142

[Mtnseeker1]

Yup I need all this help like where you got tank socks and I am in big trouble till I get some real throttle control.
I'm so used to just hitting it and spinning the crap out of the back wheel till I get the right speed.:lol8: This worked well for both my last bikes.

[Mtnseeker1]

This noob with the katoom has a really dumb question for those that might help my silly arse out.
First oil change and I'm just about there when I read that I need a "pinch tool" for the third step or the second bolt towards the rear on the gear shifter side.
So the questions is-Will this go twang on me or do I just loosen that bolt and finish my draining of the oil? I have not got to the oil filter yet but I thought this would be a good time to stop and ask those in the know.

[accadacca]

The pinch tool is to take out the oil filter I believe. I use a pair of needle nosed pliers in reverse for that. I've never bought the correct tool...no need.

[Mtnseeker1]

I needed nothing but just panicked and wanted to make sure I'm doing things right from the get go.:ne_nau:
Oil filter is a bit of a hosser to get out but duck nose pliers worked in reverse seem to to the job.I thought that my magnetic telescoping wing ding would do the job but that filter gets a wee bit of suck action going on.
Next time I'll just start a grabber and pull her right out fast.

[accadacca]

Yeah a grabber is what double moo does I think. I put a little grease on the rubber end and that helps. The first couple oils changes take a little longer, but once you get it down its really quick. :2thumbs:

[Mtnseeker1]

About a month ago I managed to get myself into a 2012 500 XC-W.
At first I wondered just what I had done to myself.
But with some time and rechecking the overall suspension and finding some very simple flaws from the first owner that put only 95 miles or 5.8 hrs on her I feel as if I am getting her dialed into my sorry ass.
He had the front set one click off top and no shit bottom exactly from side to side.
And I wondered why I kept getting thrown to the left whenever I hit rocks.:lol8:
So I went back to the manual and set her up for sport. Dam if she is not real close now:2thumbs:.

I love this bike and feel like she will last me a life time as I never really get her overly excited and she can do just that as well.
One of the first things I did was to run the Fast Flexx bars and there is no looking back on that decision.

However one thing that has been haunting me is how fast this steering head moves. In the slow rocky stuff it is just to much so I'm looking into a stearing stabilizer (GPR) to help with that.
I am hard pressed to use all the power that she has and exspect the motor to last forever.

Just my .02 cents worth on KTM's.

[Mtnseeker1]

One big thing that I noticed with the Katoom and I will deal with it shortly is they run the throttle cables pretty shitty in my opinion and I am looking to get some new ones about 4inches longer and run them like the Jap bikes do.

I like mine over the front and routed right.....

This stock set up will wear out in no time at all from all that I can see.

[Mtnseeker1]

Oh and for any that maybe be on the fence?
The very first time I got myself in a real pickle and just reached over and hit that magic button this bad girl has paid for herself 100 fold.:stud:
God I love this Bike.:bandit:
Trust me it happens more than once.
But what the hey it is a very long reach with your thumb.

[Mtnseeker1]

I have a lot to learn that is for sure.
But I do believe I picked me a winner.
I just need to settle down and ride it like a KTM and not a YZ.
With some balls and get to know her I do believe I can take her just about anywhere.
GREAT BIKE and I'm lover her hardcore.

Boocoo top end and great grunt for the slow stuff.

Now it is all up to me and no excuses!!!!!!!!!!!

This Bitch is bad ass for sure.

[Mtnseeker1]

Well ok now I am in need of a stabilizer- I think?
I hear the under mount GPR V-4 is to tight and I have Fast Flex bars so can anyone suggest a mellow GPR and not Scott that may work for my ride?

[Garbanzo]

Well ok now I am in need of a stabilizer- I think?
I hear the under mount GPR V-4 is to tight and I have Fast Flex bars so can anyone suggest a mellow GPR and not Scott that may work for my ride?
Call Gpr and tell them your set up. They'll be able to tell you what works. I use a V-4 and like it. I sent mine back to them and they rebuild it for free. I just have to pay postage. Pretty cool.


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[Mtnseeker1]

That v-4, Is that the under the bar and somewhat stiff set up?

[Garbanzo]

That v-4, Is that the under the bar and somewhat stiff set up?

Its under the bar. Not sure what you mean by stiff set up. They all do the same thing and have adjustments. Mine had one dial. I know the Scotts has 2 dials for low and high speed adjustments.

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[Mtnseeker1]

I thought the under vs. over the bar or maybe it was the V-1 vs. the V-4 made a difference in how stiff they came.
Example: V-4 lowest setting was were the V-1 left off with it's highest setting.
Can't remember were but someone was trying to tell me to stay away from the V-4 under cause I would not be happy with how stiff they are.:ne_nau:

I would love it I can use the under the bar mount. I could keep everything I have now and not have to mod (cut the crap out of) my bar pad. Or risers or anything that I can think of right off the bat. I think with my Fast Flex bars it would work out great and still have good access to the tune dial.

[double moo]

Just posted up on Advrider... Salt lake area Utard...

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=849376

[Mtnseeker1]

GPR has everything at $100 off right now on the 2012 stuff.
Wonder what things will look like after Christmas?

[moab mark]

Has anybody rode the new KTM 350 if you have what did you think of it?

[Mtnseeker1]

The boys with the trophy rack down here at KTM Pro Cycle Tell me they eat a 08-09 450 for lunch:ne_nau:
Personally I have not a clue.

But then again most of them are heading back to 250 two smokes this year. And pulling the magic button and anything else that is to heavy.

[accadacca]

The boys with the trophy rack down here at KTM Pro Cycle Tell me they eat a 08-09 450 for lunch:ne_nau:
Personally I have not a clue.
I believe it. I have the 390 of course and its a 2011. They seem light years ahead of those bikes to me. :ride:

[Mtnseeker1]

Cheers to the EFI best dam thing that has ever happened to me:cheers:.

[Mtnseeker1]

Cheers to the EFI best dam thing that has ever happened to me:cheers:.
Except maybe my final child support payment.