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accadacca
08-31-2012, 08:35 AM
Maybe now, reporters, bloggers, outsiders and even many Mormons will accept that the Utah-based LDS Church does not forbid cola drinking.

On Wednesday, the LDS Church posted a statement on its website saying that "the church does not prohibit the use of caffeine" and that the faith’s health-code reference to "hot drinks" "does not go beyond [tea and coffee]."

A day later, the website wording was slightly softened, saying only that "the church revelation spelling out health practices ... does not mention the use of caffeine."

Same goes for the church’s two-volume handbook, which stake presidents, bishops and other LDS leaders use to guide their congregations. It says plainly that "the only official interpretation of ‘hot drinks’ (D&C 89:9) in the Word of Wisdom is the statement made by early church leaders that the term ‘hot drinks’ means tea and coffee."
That doesn’t mean church leaders view caffeinated drinks as healthy. They just don’t bar members from, say, pounding a Pepsi, downing a Dew or sipping a hot chocolate.

Even LDS presidential nominee Mitt Romney has been seen drinking an occasional Diet Coke, and Mormon missionaries in France routinely imbibe — without embarrassment or consequences.

This week’s clarification on caffeine "is long overdue," said Matthew Jorgensen, a Mormon and longtime Mountain Dew drinker.

Jorgensen, who is doing a two-year research fellowship in Germany, grew up "in a devout Mormon household, in a small, devout Mormon town," where his neighbors and church leaders viewed "drinking a Coca-Cola as so close to drinking coffee that it made your worthiness ... questionable."

That view was magnified when LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley offhandedly told "60 Minutes" that Mormons avoid caffeine. Several earlier LDS leaders, including apostle Bruce R. McConkie, considered imbibing Coke as a violation of the "spirit" of the Word of Wisdom.

It was dictated in 1833 by Mormon founder Joseph Smith and bars consumption of wine, strong drinks (alcohol), tobacco and "hot drinks," which have been defined by church authorities as tea and coffee.

Even so, many outsiders and plenty of insiders get that wrong.

Journalists — from The New York Times’ columnist Maureen Dowd to The Associated Press — have often stated that Mormons don’t drink caffeine. Last week, NBC News’ hourlong feature on Mormonism made the same mistake, prompting the church’s initial statement on its website.

That blog post was later tweaked, according to church spokesman Scott Trotter, "to clarify its intent, which was to provide context to the NBC piece."

Part of the confusion stems from LDS Church-owned Brigham Young University, which neither sells nor serves caffeinated drinks.

But BYU spokeswoman Carri Jenkins explains that is "not a university or church decision, but made by dining services, based on what our customers want."

There has not "been a demand for it," Jenkins said Thursday. "We are constantly evaluating what those needs and desires are."

Indeed, fully caffeinated colas are available in the church’s Joseph Smith Memorial Building restaurants and in the Lion House Pantry next to the faith’s headquarters in downtown Salt Lake City.

In the end, it’s up to individual Latter-day Saints to decide what to drink.

"I can understand why the church is cautious," Jorgensen wrote in an email. "Saying that caffeine is OK might sound like saying that caffeine is healthy, maybe even an endorsement of caffeine. Plus, I think members need opportunities to work through questions of right and wrong for themselves."

Caffeine, he said, "is the perfect, low-risk testing ground for members to make decisions for themselves."

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54797595-78/church-drinks-caffeine-lds.html.csp

Don
08-31-2012, 08:54 AM
Am I the only one who never thought a ban on "all caffeine" was never doctrine? Some mormons just took it that one step further (especially around Utah county), but was it ever doctrine?

On the other hand; will it be possible to buy coke or pepsi on campus at BYU now?

restrac2000
08-31-2012, 09:05 AM
Living in Utah always made it clear to me that individuals interpreted it differently. Some took it to mean all caffeine while many would imbibe sodas.

That said, what about iced coffee? Is it the process that makes it or its final product that is labeled "hot drinks"? Actually curious on how such drinks are interpreted now. Granted, the statement is almost 180 years old and didn't deal with the plethora of McCafes selling every concoction known to man.

Outside of Utah....my LDS friends drank as much alcohol and caffeine as the average person.

Scott P
08-31-2012, 10:27 AM
Maybe now, reporters, bloggers, outsiders and even many Mormons will accept that the Utah-based LDS Church does not forbid cola drinking.

True; it never really was forbidden.

But abstaining from caffeine is still recommended.

See below for many links:

http://www.lds.org/search?lang=eng&query=caffeine

JONBOYLEMON
08-31-2012, 11:15 AM
So glad to hear I now have the go ahead to drink a Mtn Dew on occasion. Which I have had since birth.......... The go ahead that is.

REDFOX
08-31-2012, 11:36 AM
I guess that I will have to go to hell for something else. Pass me another mtn dew !

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accadacca
08-31-2012, 11:50 AM
I guess that I will have to go to hell for something else. Pass me another mtn dew !

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Save me a seat... :haha:

Sombeech
08-31-2012, 12:18 PM
Yeah lots of misinterpretation about caffeine in the doctrine although researching the term has never been easier.

Although caffeine is not "banned" nor ever was, it still isn't great on the body. There are a lot of things that aren't great on the body like a weekly dose of McDonald's french fries but that's not going to be doctrine either, it's just where common sense takes over. Plenty of people have taken the Caffeine issue to the extreme while filling their stomach up with other crap.

It's all basically a health code. Now maybe my parents and wife will ease up on me for my intake of Diet Dew.

As for iced coffee, who knows. I don't really care though because I'm watching my carbs. :cool2:

Scott P
08-31-2012, 12:48 PM
Plenty of people have taken the Caffeine issue to the extreme while filling their stomach up with other crap.



Like some of that stuff that always shows up at church picnics.:wink:

Anyway, with rare exceptions I only drink skim milk, water, and juice (but not all mixed together), but that doesn't have to anything to do with any church. Soda (especially Mountain Dew) has nasty stuff in it, even without the caffeine.

double moo
08-31-2012, 01:07 PM
I wrote a long post regarding the WoW, and this all ties out... Lost it before sending. It ended with the final statement "beer is for Mormons". Look it up it's true...

restrac2000
08-31-2012, 01:34 PM
I know plenty of mormons who drink beer, soda and coffee.....though most of them don't live in Utah.

hank moon
08-31-2012, 04:16 PM
Glad to hear it...and good thing they took that that sugar ban in the last edit (according to docs unearthed by Mark Hoffman). The church might notta grown up so fast :)

Scott Card
08-31-2012, 04:18 PM
Mark Hoffman????? :roflol:

Iceaxe
08-31-2012, 05:26 PM
Mark Hoffman

He was my neighbor during his hey-day. He lived at his parents house three houses down the road.


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double moo
08-31-2012, 07:36 PM
Mark had a gold Mine in the LDS church! Fabricate slightly unflattering LDS history and they buy it up to keep it off the streets. I wonder how much of his and other crap is buried in the vaults!

dmMatrix
08-31-2012, 10:27 PM
roughly 12 years ago I was tackled at a youth camp for having a Mt Dew in my hand (really long story actually) but anyways, the lady that tackled me was a very hardcore by the book person and she even believed that fat people were breaking doctrinal rules.....

.... kinda funny actually, when all was said and done she baked me some pretty freaking tasty cinnamon rolls.... not to mention I think her perspective was changed so that Mt Dew was ok to drink at Youth Camp :cool2:

denaliguide
09-01-2012, 04:39 PM
"Caffeine, he said, "is the perfect, low-risk testing ground for members to make decisions for themselves.""

ok, so, what happens when you need to make a high risk decision for yourself? If you make good low-risk decisions do you graduate to higher risk decisions?

obviously not a real serious question here. just poking the sleeping bear.

Sombeech
09-01-2012, 04:53 PM
Mark had a gold Mine in the LDS church! Fabricate slightly unflattering LDS history and they buy it up to keep it off the streets. I wonder how much of his and other crap is buried in the vaults!

I heard it was the Mormon Mafia keeping him quiet!

double moo
09-01-2012, 05:18 PM
More true than you'ld like to believe....

Scott P
09-03-2012, 04:11 PM
she even believed that fat people were breaking doctrinal rules.....



Technically, she's correct as both overeating and not getting enough excersize are both against guidelines, so unless something besides overeating/lack of excersize caused the "fatness" she has a point, though she should be careful not to be judgemental.

In last year's Aaronic Priesthood Manual, the following question is asked to the young men:

It is possible to overeat and feel the Spirit of the Lord. The answer given is false.

Strength of Youth says the following (exact cut and paste):

To care for your body, eat nutritious food, exercise regularly, and get enough sleep. Practice balance and moderation in all aspects of your physical health.

It also says the following so you have to be careful not to go the other way:

Also, avoid extremes in diet that could lead to eating disorders.

Sandstone Addiction
09-03-2012, 05:42 PM
Section 89 of the D and C (http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/89?lang=eng) has 21 verses and only 4 of them state what not to consume. The rest go into detail about what to consume and what will be promised if we do.

I find it interesting that this was written 179 years ago and it has only been recently that science has discovered that following the same guidelines would promote a healthy lifestyle.

Nice to know that I'm just a wee bit less of a sinner than I was last week. :2thumbs:

double moo
09-03-2012, 06:31 PM
[QUOTE=Sandstone Addiction;509446
I find it interesting that this was written 179 years ago and it has only been recently that science has discovered that following the same guidelines would promote a healthy lifesty:2thumbs:[/QUOTE]

Science was reluctantly concurring with the WoW in the 60s and 70s. The most recent science it changing it's tune. It is now believed that small to moderate amounts of alcohol promote good cardiovascular health, that wine is good not just for the alcohol but other micro nutrients found in the red grape skin, and they've proved that regular caffeine users have greater brain function than non users. Everyone still believes that tobacco is a bad thing though. Just today on the news I heard that love handles (fat pockets) are as bad for your heart as smoking. Wait a couple of years and science will change it's conclusions again!

restrac2000
09-03-2012, 07:34 PM
Wine, beer, coffee, and tea have all been shown to health benefits. Most people don't consume them in such a way but that does not affect the legitimacy of their benefits.

On the other hand, there is no health benefit that I am aware of to soft drinks, caffeinated or not. Most people don't consume soda in healthy ways. Increasingly researchers are discovering the cardio vasular detriment of "added sugar," i.e. anything not found in whole foods.

stefan
09-03-2012, 09:08 PM
Everyone still believes that tobacco is a bad thing though.

nicotine has been shown to have some positive effects for memory and attention.

Sombeech
09-04-2012, 07:13 AM
Everybody has been telling me for years that I should be seeing a kidney stone any day now because of the amount of carbonation I drink.

[Dwight Schrute]
FALSE
[/Dwight Schrute]

I've been consuming Diet Mountain Dew as my primary source of hydration for over 15 years now. I'll consume at least 6 liters a day. And since it's @96% water, I'm consuming just shy of 6 liters of water a day plus any other liquid I come across on the side. I've got a buddy who is a Urologist and I asked him if carbonation really causes the stones. He says as long as I keep the kidneys hydrated I shouldn't have a problem. I found out from another Urologist that it's the carmel coloring in the darker colas that can be occasionally blamed for buildup in the kidney, this is easily learned as they analyze the stone after it's passed.

As far as carbonation cutting into the lung capacity, I can't find a reliable source besides "my son's coach said this" mixed in yahoo answers. I do recall seeing some improvement in my climbing capability when I cut carbonation for a bit, but I was on a different eating schedule too.

hank moon
09-06-2012, 09:38 AM
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/taco-bell-tries-reinvent-breakfast-173813109--abc-news-Recipes.html



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OJ with that? :haha:

restrac2000
09-06-2012, 09:42 AM
How much sugar is in that drink?

Sombeech
09-06-2012, 03:39 PM
Diet mountain dew's second ingredient after carbonated water is concentrated orange juice. So no thanks, I'm covered lol

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restrac2000
09-06-2012, 05:33 PM
They also use orange juice in their "throwback" recipe.

dmMatrix
09-06-2012, 09:46 PM
They also use orange juice in their "throwback" recipe.

Everyone has told me that the throwback flavors are horrible... is this true? I am yet to hear a positive thing about them.

restrac2000
09-07-2012, 08:16 AM
I prefer the throwback Mt Dew but it is no longer available.....all the ingredients are the same accept orange juice/high fructose corn syrup

Never tried the pepsi version.

jman
09-07-2012, 08:19 AM
I prefer the throwback Mt Dew but it is no longer available.....all the ingredients are the same accept orange juice/high fructose corn syrup

Never tried the pepsi version.

No longer available? Maybe just in your area. It's available at work here and the local gas stations in Farmington and Kaysville.

dmMatrix
09-08-2012, 09:49 PM
I saw some in Smith's in Brigham City several weeks ago, but I don't know if they still have any....

If I find some throwback I'll have to try it now

accadacca
09-10-2012, 12:02 AM
I like the throwback. Its made with real sugar. :naughty:

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