Armstrong faces lifetime ban, loss of 7 Tour titles

[accadacca]

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DEVELOPING: U.S. Anti-Doping Agency chief executive Travis Tygart says the agency will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling for life and strip him of his seven Tour de France titles for doping.

Armstrong on Thursday night dropped any further challenges to USADA's allegations that he took performance-enhancing drugs to win cycling's premier event from 1999-2005.
Armstrong says USADA doesn't have the authority to vacate his Tour titles. However, Tygart told The Associated Press that USADA can do it.

Tygart called the Armstrong case a "heartbreaking" example of a win-at-all costs approach to sports.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/08/23/armstrong-ending-fight-against-doping-charges-putting-7-tour-titles-at-risk/#ixzz24Qh5Nq2l

[restrac2000]

Good riddance. His honesty and integrity shouldn't be trusted for any of the years he was biking.

Its a shame that he road the shirt-tails of publicity and success and ruined it with cheating.

[JONBOYLEMON]

Good, he cheated., got busted, and now pays the price.

In a related story I am happy with all the Cancer stuff he has done with his wealth. I have been a recipient of some of that charity!

[DOSS]

Umm there is still no proof that he cheated. He has and did pass ALL blood tests given to him. and is now being hunted by a government agency that answers only to itself and does not follow the standards of a normal court of law.

[rockgremlin]

Umm there is still no proof that he cheated. He has and did pass ALL blood tests given to him. and is now being hunted by a government agency that answers only to itself and does not follow the standards of a normal court of law.


Bingo!

Damn you people are harsh!! Who am I (or we) the ill-informed, to pass judgement? I'm not gonna sit back and armchair quarterback the justice of a fellow human being based on the evidence presented by a biased media. As DOSS said....he took the tests, he passed, now get off his back already.

[restrac2000]

There is blood evidence from two years of racing that supports the accusation he was doping and cheating...

The agency is a non-profit with congressional approval and process....very different than stated above.

They have evidence that he cheated. The agency has nothing to gain from going to court with bad physical evidence. It would tank their organization and change the industry. That said, Armstrong obviously had something to lose by choosing not to go to trial (his choice). If he was actually proven guilty than he would lose his fan base, which is the only thing he has besides his money.

*PS....I mostly ignored the stories and went to the doping agency for information.

[Deathcricket]

"There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, `Enough is enough.' For me, that time is now," Armstrong said. He called the USADA investigation an "unconstitutional witch hunt."

"I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999," he said. "The toll this has taken on my family and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today -- finished with this nonsense."

"I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999," he said. "The toll this has taken on my family and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today -- finished with this nonsense."

Really surprised at the comments coming in. Just because he is getting sick of fighting false accusations doesn't mean he is guilty. I'm going through the same thing in my divorce. After a while it's just not worth the constant battle and you just give up fighting and move on. If some agency wants to pursue him to the ends of the earth over this BS, let them. He complied with every test they asked for and passed it. They have zero proof IMO, and witch hunt is accurate.

[restrac2000]

I guess to put it more clearly.....

Armstrong chose to forfeit the only objective process there was...a public trial. All of his legal efforts this year have been to pro-actively deem them mistrials. When the courts ruled against him he forfeited.

By not going to trial he has admitted guilt.

[rockgremlin]

If they had blood evidence of two years of doping then why was he allowed to continue racing?


IMO, this is a clear cut case of: Politics>>Truth (Politics is much greater than truth for all you mathematicians out there :mrgreen:).

[DOSS]

I guess to put it more clearly.....

Armstrong chose to forfeit the only objective process there was...a public trial. All of his legal efforts this year have been to pro-actively deem them mistrials. When the courts ruled against him he forfeited.

By not going to trial he has admitted guilt.

Public trial? The USADA? the public courts said that they had no way to control/ stop the USADA as they were not under their jurisdiction.. This is not a trial he is forfeiting going to.. he has chosen to not go through a farce of a Arbitration that is final with no appeals process.

[rockgremlin]

By not going to trial he has admitted guilt.


Although, I will give you points for this comment. This policy is identical to the drug tests administered by your employer. If your employer asks for a urine sample and you decline, you're automatically terminated (the assumption being that you declined to pee in a cup b'cuz you knew your pee was dirty).

[restrac2000]

The public hearing process by USADA has been approved by Congress and existed since Armstrong has raced. If the process is so flawed than why have all the other racers accused in this situation chosen Arbitration? Why did Armstrong not take it upon himself to proactively change the system before he was accused?

USADA is the only system we have for these legal cases. Defending yourself against a erroneous decision, his claim, still seems better than admitting guilt through deciding not to partake in arbitration. That is common legal practice. For example, when I chose to pay my speeding ticket and not take it to court....I am admitting guilt.

@rock....the blood evidence is for tampering with samples. USADA maintains samples for that very reason.

[restrac2000]

Although, I will give you points for this comment. This policy is identical to the drug tests administered by your employer. If your employer asks for a urine sample and you decline, you're automatically terminated (the assumption being that you declined to pee in a cup b'cuz you knew your pee was dirty).

Fair comparison. But I would have signed an employment contract that makes that binding. Armstrong committed to this process by competing.

[Scott P]

The agency is a non-profit with congressional approval and process....

If so, how can they take an award away that was issued by an organization from another country?

I'm just curious how this works.

[Deathcricket]

Although, I will give you points for this comment. This policy is identical to the drug tests administered by your employer. If your employer asks for a urine sample and you decline, you're automatically terminated (the assumption being that you declined to pee in a cup b'cuz you knew your pee was dirty).

Not the exact analogy. He has submitted hundreds of drug tests already and they have zero proof. This is more like your employer keeps asking you for a drug test every single day and accusing you of taking drugs. After 7 years of BS and submitting for tests, you just go and retire. Doesn't make you guilty wanting some peace and quiet and to move on with your life.

1. He submitted for drug tests before every race.
2. The samples he submitted were tested.
3. The samples all passed at the time according to standards agreed upon.

That being said, I'm sure all athletes at this level take some sort of enhancing drugs or vitamins. Then I'm sure they push the line as far as they can to get some sort of small 1% edge over their competition. But if he passed the test he passed the test. Simple.

[Iceaxe]

Public trial? The USADA? the public courts said that they had no way to control/ stop the USADA as they were not under their jurisdiction.. This is not a trial he is forfeiting going to.. he has chosen to not go through a farce of a Arbitration that is final with no appeals process.

^^^THIS

The USADA has been pursuing a personal vendetta for years. Some of these races are over a decade old... time to move on. the USADA is working with unlimited time and funding.... eventually it just gets old.



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[Deathcricket]

http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstongs-statement-of-august-23-2012

Lance Armstong's Statement of August 23, 2012

AUSTIN, Texas - August 23rd, 2012 - There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a two-year federal criminal investigation followed by Travis Tygart's unconstitutional witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense.

I had hoped that a federal court would stop USADA’s charade. Although the court was sympathetic to my concerns and recognized the many improprieties and deficiencies in USADA’s motives, its conduct, and its process, the court ultimately decided that it could not intervene.

If I thought for one moment that by participating in USADA’s process, I could confront these allegations in a fair setting and – once and for all – put these charges to rest, I would jump at the chance. But I refuse to participate in a process that is so one-sided and unfair. Regardless of what Travis Tygart says, there is zero physical evidence to support his outlandish and heinous claims. The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of controls I have passed with flying colors. I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition. Blood. Urine. Whatever they asked for I provided. What is the point of all this testing if, in the end, USADA will not stand by it?

From the beginning, however, this investigation has not been about learning the truth or cleaning up cycling, but about punishing me at all costs. I am a retired cyclist, yet USADA has lodged charges over 17 years old despite its own 8-year limitation. As respected organizations such as UCI and USA Cycling have made clear, USADA lacks jurisdiction even to bring these charges. The international bodies governing cycling have ordered USADA to stop, have given notice that no one should participate in USADA’s improper proceedings, and have made it clear the pronouncements by USADA that it has banned people for life or stripped them of their accomplishments are made without authority. And as many others, including USADA’s own arbitrators, have found, there is nothing even remotely fair about its process. USADA has broken the law, turned its back on its own rules, and stiff-armed those who have tried to persuade USADA to honor its obligations. At every turn, USADA has played the role of a bully, threatening everyone in its way and challenging the good faith of anyone who questions its motives or its methods, all at U.S. taxpayers’ expense. For the last two months, USADA has endlessly repeated the mantra that there should be a single set of rules, applicable to all, but they have arrogantly refused to practice what they preach. On top of all that, USADA has allegedly made deals with other riders that circumvent their own rules as long as they said I cheated. Many of those riders continue to race today.

The bottom line is I played by the rules that were put in place by the UCI, WADA and USADA when I raced. The idea that athletes can be convicted today without positive A and B samples, under the same rules and procedures that apply to athletes with positive tests, perverts the system and creates a process where any begrudged ex-teammate can open a USADA case out of spite or for personal gain or a cheating cyclist can cut a sweetheart deal for themselves. It’s an unfair approach, applied selectively, in opposition to all the rules. It’s just not right.

USADA cannot assert control of a professional international sport and attempt to strip my seven Tour de France titles. I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours. We all raced together. For three weeks over the same roads, the same mountains, and against all the weather and elements that we had to confront. There were no shortcuts, there was no special treatment. The same courses, the same rules. The toughest event in the world where the strongest man wins. Nobody can ever change that. Especially not Travis Tygart.

Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities. This October, my Foundation will celebrate 15 years of service to cancer survivors and the milestone of raising nearly $500 million. We have a lot of work to do and I'm looking forward to an end to this pointless distraction. I have a responsibility to all those who have stepped forward to devote their time and energy to the cancer cause. I will not stop fighting for that mission. Going forward, I am going to devote myself to raising my five beautiful (and energetic) kids, fighting cancer, and attempting to be the fittest 40-year old on the planet.

[restrac2000]

UCI's official statements are that they are waiting for USADA to comply with their requests for information, which are deemed admissible even when a hearing is not pursued.

The 2009 to 2010 blood tests seem strong, at least from what USADA claims. I have a hard time believing they would create a hearing against such a major icon unless they had some physical evidence.

The reclamation of the titles seems like it could be a sloppy affair and turf battle. That said, UCI, seems willing to engage the process.

The World ADA has stated they believe that USADA acted properly and that Armstrong has just admitted guilt.

Multiple agencies have found signs of doping in his samples with third party testing. There is a reason these agencies maintain the samples over time instead of destroying them immediately.

[restrac2000]

And don't forget....UCI is a signatory to the World Anti-Doping Agency resolutions. They can appeal the process but they are technically/legally bound to participate in the process and likely to rulings.

[reverse_dyno]

As technology progresses we will have more and better ways to test people

[restrac2000]

I agree its odd that the evidence USADA claims to have didn't make it into the hands of the federal investigation. This could all be turned on its head of UCI finds their evidence unworthy, etc.

That said, there are many careers in which this type of outcome happens. Most professions have a governing body that acts outside the scope of the state or federal system. Lawyers and doctors are two basic examples. They can be held accountable to these bodies and dismissed from their duties and stripped of titles. It happens all the time, i.e. not just sport.

I for one say use the best technology possible for testing doping. The case we are talking about has hard evidence from only 2-3 years ago in Armstrong's racing career. Mechanisms have been found to test for tampering and hiding doping. The athletes know these agencies maintain samples for years. They sign contracts and agree to these methods when participating.

Armstrong comes across as petty and lightweight in this to me. If this was a major problem then we would see a concerted, continuous outcry from all ranks of the cycling community to help foster change. Instead, we see limited cries of impropriety that happen after they are accused of malpractice and asked to participate in a hearing.

I say purge the dopers and make a statement that maintains the integrity of sport. If the mighty fall in the process than so be it. Cheating in any form should not be accepted. And no matter how he spins this in his personal statements his choice not participate in the hearing is an admission of guilt.

Beware of the contracts you sign....you could be forced to become a Human Centipad.

[Iceaxe]

I like the way NASCAR runs things.... they never strip wins. The reason being is fans deserve a winner when they leave the track and anything less cheats the fans and support of racing.

Cheating is handled with fines, suspensions, yada, yada...

As a fan of bike racing you should be outraged at this witch hunt of Armstrong as it will do nothing but damage the sport.... guilty or not... this will really hurt racing. Sometimes folks just need to use s little commonsense.

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[DOSS]

Obviously there will not be agreement in this between some of us, such is the reason this doping thing has been going on for years not just here but across many sports.

How about we just make the drug usage and such legal. If they want to push their bodies to the limit let them do it, it evens the playing field as everyone would have the option to dope or not to dope and gets rid of all of these arguments and would allow the promoters to spend more $$ on the venue etc since they wouldn't have to put $$ into anti-doping :afro:

[restrac2000]

I am not against allowing doping, thought it would radically change the face of the official sport. I think it would also make it harder for most un-sponsored athletes to ever compete (harder than now). Doping isn't cheap.

To Shane....there is merit with that system. And maybe cycling needs to consider changing its rules. That said, when the athletes cheat they are hurting the fans as well.

I am fine with it hurting the commercial side of cycling. Most people are claiming its rampant anyways. Let it take a beating if the cyclist are dopers (and its illegal). Wash the system clean and penalize them to kingdom come. Maybe a new line of non-cheaters will take over and help. Who knows.

That said...in all of us this, the last person I care about is Armstrong the athlete.

[Iceaxe]

Bottomline... I spent 7 years of my life watching nearly every stage of the TOF. If they start stripping titles from decades past they will lose me and millions of other fans. They need to do what is best for the sport today.... not 20 years ago. To me this has little to do with Armstrong and everything to do with the direction of the sport.

Do you think the NFL really cares that many of the 80's Steelers were juicing? They would never consider stripping Superbowl's from past decades.

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[jamesdak]

There is blood evidence from two years of racing that supports the accusation he was doping and cheating...

The agency is a non-profit with congressional approval and process....very different than stated above.

They have evidence that he cheated. The agency has nothing to gain from going to court with bad physical evidence. It would tank their organization and change the industry. That said, Armstrong obviously had something to lose by choosing not to go to trial (his choice). If he was actually proven guilty than he would lose his fan base, which is the only thing he has besides his money.

*PS....I mostly ignored the stories and went to the doping agency for information.

Yet the government chose not to prosecute despite having access to this very same "evidence". This stinks to holy hell...:angryfire::angryfire:

[jamesdak]

Bottomline... I spent 7 years of my life watching nearly every stage of the TOF. If they start stripping titles from decades past they will lose me and millions of other fans. They need to do what is best for the sport today.... not 20 years ago. To me this has little to do with Armstrong and everything to do with the direction of the sport.

Do you think the NFL really cares that many of the 80's Steelers were juicing? They would never consider stripping Superbowl's from past decades.

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Hey back off the Steelers!!!!!!!!!! And those Super Bowl wins were in the 70s by the way. The 80s were quite the drought for the best team in football ever!! :hail2thechief:

[jamesdak]

Ok, here is my very simple opinion. Doping or not did he beat a majority of the competitors on a level playing field? I'd say yes! Does it really matter now, no. Should money be spent on this, no. Should cycling be clean, yes! Is it, ummm I don't really think so. But you know what, he passed the tests by the standards of the time, where do you draw the line? Can anyone of us even come close to him on a bike even today, somehow I doubt it...:roll:

And despite everything, watching the TDF is entertaining and I loved watching him dominate.

[Iceaxe]

Ok, here is my very simple opinion.


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[denaliguide]

i vote for lance. literally hundreds of times he peed in t he cup. never a failure.

i would have gotten tired of the battle long ago. just because he gives up now is not an admission of guilt.

what is the standard? drug testing or testimony from others who lost to lance? you can't have both.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/othersports/lance-armstrong-vs-usada-what-are-we-to-believe/2012/08/24/62940afa-ee0a-11e1-afd6-f55f84bc0c41_story.html

[restrac2000]

There is more than testimony, which I agree is weak evidence on its own. USADA, the organization that UCI and US Cycling agreed to test its athletes of the World Anti-Doping pledges, claims to have hard evidence that Armstrong tampered with blood samples. That is physical evidence. The World Anti-Doping Agency has stated they recognize the validity of the evidence and the arbitration standards set forth by USADA. We have yet to hear UCI's final explanation and choices.

I can understand Shane's explanation and perspective as a cycling spectator. This is a major blackeye on the sport and USADA seems to have handled themselves poorly up until the onset of the case. I am not sure there is an easy answer to that situation.

That said, it seems that the commercial success of the sport is a different situation than the maintenance and integrity of the anti-doping pledges the professional cycling community signed. They decided that the principles of sport were more valid and important than the success and reputation of individual athletes. I agree with that prioritization. I would also say that pledge trumps the simple narratives of finality and wins that the biking community is seeking. Doping and cheating in other various forms have ruined many sports. Cycling was/is trying to steer clear of that outcome. They have done so imperfectly and the cheaters seem to be ahead of the curve.

I stick to the importance of the binding agreements the sport and athletes knowingly signed. Without the sport is a farce. But I should admit I stopped watching most commercialized sports ages ago, largely for these same reasons. College seems the last bastion of true sport and even then it has been influenced by the same issues.

Phillip

[Iceaxe]

I've noticed no one (outside the media) really gives a crap what the USADA thinks or says.... some things just can't be stripped away.

Armstrong will always be a 7-time TOF winner, no matter what the USADA says. He will always be introduced as such at every dinner, speech or event that he attends the rest of his life.

Or in the immortal words of Chuck Yeager.... "Sometimes you get a pooch that just can't be screwed".



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[jamesdak]

But I should admit I stopped watching most commercialized sports ages ago, largely for these same reasons. College seems the last bastion of true sport and even then it has been influenced by the same issues.

Phillip

College sports...really?? They are just as "win at any cost" as any other sports organization.

[restrac2000]

I agree with the big schools and many football franchises but outside of those there is still genuine sport. I have seen it at SUU while being here. I should also correct my previous comment.....highest level, not only. I think outside of that money just pollutes the history too much. IMHO, others mileage will very.

[restrac2000]

I just watched as SUU celebrated its first NCAA title and then a 14th place Olympics finnish for Cam Levins. It was a huge moment for most of our community and he handled himself with grace the entire way.

[denaliguide]

College seems the last bastion of true sport.

Phillip

seriously? i'm sure you meant to say farm clubs for the pros.

and if it's played with a ball, it's a game.

[restrac2000]

As the last bastion?.....maybe, haven't been in a town/city with one for a while. The Tidewater Tides (NY Mets Farm Team) had some of the original appeal when I was growing up as a kid. Haven't been back there in a while. I do remember the last year or two it being ego fest for several of the players who were shipped down from the main teams.

One of my overall complaints about commercial sports is the cult of personality that has emerged (to a much larger extent). I see this as directly related to Armstrong and hence my lack of concern for the outcomes for him. I think it has drastically changed the personality of the game/endeavor. I see the response to Armstrong largely being about him versus the longterm integrity of cycling. His personality (really a brand) has more merit to many people than the rules and bounds of professionalism and sportsmanship. I have heard a range of comments but the most common is that (coming from his fans) he likely cheated but it was an even playing field considering the rampant doping. I believe it was the editorial in WaPo that mentioned how little doping benefits the drive and will to win. To me, I say who cares about that. I don't care about his wins, immense as they were. Its not why I watch the sports I do. I watch to see teams or individuals competing on relatively even means across the board.

We are losing that option as viewers left and right. Football teams are putting out bounty lists. Baseball teams that have the extra millions to maintain superiority that only money can buy. Cycling...where only dopers seem to be able to win now....according to some of the leading fans, commentators and critiques.

Its an idealized stance but I am willing to stand by it. It would be pleasant to think that a non-doping, honest, hard working athlete can still make it work in most of the sports. Without these hardline stances I don't think thats a realistic outcome.

[Iceaxe]

Hahaha... the USADA is becoming as huge joke. Now they are telling Armstrong he can keep 5 TOF titles if he comes clean... this will not end well for the USADA... watch and see... no one is backing them up and instead they are distancing themselves....

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[restrac2000]

Not really the truth.....they offered that deal to him initially and according to their rules regarding statutes of limitations. Armstrong passed on it. He did say its still on the table but that seems an unlikely outcome.

"No is backing them up"? Really, how about the World Anti-Doping Agency? UCI hasn't made an official statement. Not sure what other agencies matter at this point.

[accadacca]

Armstrong set for tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey

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Lance Armstrong will give his first interview since being stripped of his seven Tour de France titles later this month when he appears on the 'Oprah's Next Chapter' program on her eponymous US cable television network.

The interview, which will go to air on January 17 will also be available simultaneously through the network's website.

Armstrong was the focus of the United States Anti-Doping Agency's investigation which labelled the US Postal team's operation as "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen" on October 10, 2012. USADA stripped Armstrong of all results from August 1, 1998 when he declined to contest charges of doping in late August and handed the Texan a lifetime ban all of which was later ratified by cycling's governing body, the UCI.

The 41-year-old will give the interview from his home in Texas.

A media release on Oprah.com said that "Armstrong will address the alleged doping scandal, years of accusations of cheating, and charges of lying about the use of performance-enhancing drugs throughout his storied cycling career."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-set-for-tell-all-interview-with-oprah-winfrey

[DOSS]

He is going to fess up... Still don't care that he was a doper :)

[Iceaxe]

They were all dopers... Armstrong is they only major cyclist from his era who has not fessed up or been popped drugs.

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[accadacca]

Report: Lance Armstrong to confess
ESPN.com news services | January 11, 2013

Lance Armstrong will admit to doping during his famed cycling career in an upcoming interview with Oprah Winfrey, according to USA Today Sports.

The newspaper cites a source who says that while Armstrong will confess, it is unlikely he will go into specific details about his doping.

The interview will tape Monday, but won't air until Thursday.

According to Winfrey's website on Tuesday, this will be a "no-holds-barred interview" with Armstrong, who was stripped of seven Tour de France titles in October.

It will be the first interview with Armstrong since his cycling career crumbled under the weight of a massive report by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. The report detailed accusations of drug use by Armstrong and teammates on his U.S. Postal Service teams. It caused him to lose most of his personal corporate sponsors, and he recently stepped down from the board of Livestrong, the cancer-fighting charity he founded in 1997.

The New York Times, citing anonymous sources, reported last week that Armstrong was considering a confession to help restore his athletic career in triathlons and running events at age 41. Armstrong has been banned for life from competing in sporting events governed by the World Anti-Doping Agency code.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[live2ride]

I like how they keep on saying that his cycling career crumbled? Kind of lame to say his career crumbled after he retired and was already at the top and he said he was done. Maybe they should say his post cycling career went down the pooper since it doesn't matter if they say the titles are gone on paper, it's pretty hard for me to erase 8 years of TDF memories from my brain. They all doped in a boring sport and it was there choice to risk their lives for cycling. It made for some good races and something fun to watch, just like the roid era in baseball.

[Iceaxe]

Maybe they should say his post cycling career went down the pooper since it doesn't matter if they say the titles are gone on paper, it's pretty hard for me to erase 8 years of TDF memories from my brain.

X2

Armstrong still has his millions from the TDF.



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[accadacca]

January 2013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akRHUsHnQZo

June 1996


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[accadacca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zad68VOxr8g&sns=em

[accadacca]

Caught in a huge lie...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLtU6fOVXY8&sns=em

[Iceaxe]

Caught in a huge lie...

Just one?

Let me give you a little help.... you can tell when Lance is lying because his lips are moving.


Tap'n on my Galaxy G3

[rockgremlin]

Go back to all of my previous posts in this thread and strike them from the record.


I am eating crow....no, not Lance's previous wife...the other kind of crow. :cool2:

[Iceaxe]

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[deagol]

Here is the Utah connection

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/second-armstrong-fan-pleads-guilty-to-sending-usada-head-death-threats