What moto should one buy to start

[live2ride]

I am not new to motorcycles, I ride street plenty and would be coming from a mtn biking background. I know there are a ton of choices. Not going to be doing SX, will be riding typical west terrain. Let's hear what opinions there are? Since photo is fast should one lean towards team green. J/k.

[Mtnseeker1]

Are you thinking Enduro (street legal) or full on dirt?
Enduros are usually heavier but have the added advantage of running into towns for gas while on longer type rides. Plus lights if caught out after dark, and better top end speed.
Full on dirt are typically lighter, faster out of the hole and have a closer gear box but not as fast on the top end.

I would suggest what ever brand you decide on to keep it as light as possible for the first dirt bike and maybe in the 250cc range but not bigger than a 450cc at least till you feel real comfortable in the dirt.
And remember there is always going to be loose sand, rocks, river crossings and climbs with loose or rocky or muddy conditions. Lighter is better for better control.
I have not owned a 250cc since 78 and I think that they have plenty of power now days from I've been told.
nelsonccc has a 250cc YZ two stroke that seems to have plenty of power to go just about where ever you would care to go. He swears by it for trail riding.
On the other hand I have a YZ450cc and I'm a total rookie but feel that it will work while I get better and more experience.
But I did get an XR650 thinking was a do all bike before I got the 450.
It is a great open desert bike but at 350 lbs it is way to much for the tight stuff. Throw in some sand in the tight stuff and it is pure hell.

As for directions on brands I'll let those with better insight help you there.
Hope any of this helps you in your quest.

[moab mark]

Things to consider, do you want to be able to ride from trail to trail? Do you want to have to kick start it or use the magic button. How much do you want to spend? I ride a WR 450 with a recluse z start pro clutch in it. The bike is a little heavy but I like electric start and being road legal, the clutch is a no brainer for dummies. The bike will not stall. If you want light go 2 stroke. I also have a WR 250. It feels lighter but just doesn't have the same low end grunt a 450 has or the top end for that matter. If you are leaning street legal I would go 450, the motor is comfortable at 65. You cannot go wrong with KTM but they are a little more pricey. Both originally and for parts
Something else to consider is dealer location in regards to where you live. The big 3 have a lot more dealers around if you need to pick up a part. This is especially true if you are out of town. Shop KSL and you can find deals galore.

Mark

[nelsonccc]

I like quick,light, and snappy dirt bikes. Therefore I favor the smaller 2 strokes. A 2 stroke 250 will be cheaper and is extremely easy to work on. I like them as trail bikes since they are easy to pick up an maintain. However, they are not as easy to ride as the 4 stroke 450's.

Anything you get short of a big enduro will be a ton of fun. Most of these guys on here ride newer 4 stroke 450's and ride them well but I'm still partial to the 2 stroker.

[Mtnseeker1]

live2ride? Do have friends that can let you test ride dirt bikes? If so that will help you out a ton I'm sure.

[Mtnseeker1]

Hmm 2 smokies harder to ride? Maybe? Less you keep em wound tighter than a third world hooker.
The clutch slippage I can see however in the tight stuff.
4 strokes are like tractors there I suppose.

[Mtnseeker1]

It's been a long dam time since I've road a t smokie but I do remember that you have to know what gear your in at all times and with a 4-t you do get away with much more.

And I for one do not miss the mixing of gas and oil at all. BUteclipsee_steering

[Mtnseeker1]

What moto should I start with?

EIW this is the question we always ask ourselves.
If it's to heavy it's not much fun.
If it's to light it's not much fun.

So just where is the happy medium?

Something peppy but trail ready but with good go get her done attitude.

Now I've said this before but?
If I was in these shoes I do believe that I would try to find the electric start Enduros with about a 400cc 4-t (thumper 4 stroke) in a area of say.
1- Drz-400
2-XR 400,500,600, air cooled but they have no electric strt but a true and tried reliable machine. (older bike)
3- is like 1 but a Kawi klx 400 (same exact bike as the suzuki DRZ)
4-If money is not an object then get the 390 Husaberg that acca just got period. Small but big on power , street legal, but most important is it is fuel injected. This simply means that no matter your altitude you are rocking.
No screwing with jetting or any other thing.

[Garbanzo]

Things to consider, do you want to be able to ride from trail to trail? Do you want to have to kick start it or use the magic button. How much do you want to spend? I ride a WR 450 with a recluse z start pro clutch in it. The bike is a little heavy but I like electric start and being road legal, the clutch is a no brainer for dummies. The bike will not stall. If you want light go 2 stroke. I also have a WR 250. It feels lighter but just doesn't have the same low end grunt a 450 has or the top end for that matter. If you are leaning street legal I would go 450, the motor is comfortable at 65. You cannot go wrong with KTM but they are a little more pricey. Both originally and for parts
Something else to consider is dealer location in regards to where you live. The big 3 have a lot more dealers around if you need to pick up a part. This is especially true if you are out of town. Shop KSL and you can find deals galore.
Mark

I would have to agree with Mark. What kind of riding, do you need street legal, new or used, power needs, and how much are you spending. Narrow this stuff down and then the pickings get easier.
After that, it becomes what brand, Model and year made. Keep posting your decisions, and you will get more info from all of us. We really enjoy helping new riders get off on the right foot.:2thumbs: OH Yeah, and if you're buying new and want a desert bike, I have an easy pick. Husaberg FE 390. Best bike on the planet! Next to the FE570 of course.:lol8:

[accadacca]

OH Yeah, and if you're buying new and want a desert bike, I have an easy pick. Husaberg FE 390. Best bike on the planet!
:naughty: :lol8:

[live2ride]

I don't mind a kick start, probably a bike where I can just stay on dirt? Can't you add street legal lights to some dirt bikes? I also don't want a bike that I have to upgrade in 6 months. Money wise, I am willing to drop 5k on a mtn bike, probably could get a nice dirt bike for that.

[live2ride]

The money part all depends on what is the best bang for the buck? Maybe start used then dial in to my needs

[moab mark]

I don't mind a kick start, probably a bike where I can just stay on dirt? Can't you add street legal lights to some dirt bikes? I also don't want a bike that I have to upgrade in 6 months. Money wise, I am willing to drop 5k on a mtn bike, probably could get a nice dirt bike for that.

Yes most of Us have added some barely legal kit to get road legal. But you need a battery to power it all, which means enduro, electric start etc. You can buy a ton of used bike for 5k. I paid 2,800 for my WR 450 and have been thrashing it ever since. KSL.com baby.

[moab mark]

:naughty: :lol8:

Who is the dealer around here for Husaberg?

Quoted wrong post my bad

[live2ride]

2800 bucks sounds great, I am all game I just need to get pointed in the right direction and not get taken to the cleaners on ksl

[moab mark]

When you narrow it down a bit go to NADA Blue Book and look at the values. Most people are pricing them above blue book. Use the book against them.

[Garbanzo]

Who is the dealer around here for Husaberg?

Quoted wrong post my bad

Boise or Vegas. I did some homework. The parts are relatively easy to obtain, you just can't run to the store to pickup up Husa specific pieces. That being said, KTM makes the Husaberg and alot of the parts are interchangeable.

[Garbanzo]

2800 bucks sounds great, I am all game I just need to get pointed in the right direction and not get taken to the cleaners on ksl

If you ride the bike and it is tight, accelerates good, suspension feels smooth (no hang up spots) and starts easy, that's good. Remember, ALL used bikes have low hours. That's because people are full of shit.
I had a guy try to sell me an RMZ450 and claimed it had 3 hours on it. Looked at the chain, and there was flat spots. Sorry fella, I don't think so. Check the chain for flat spots, and the side case covers near the shifter and brake.
They will usually have some wear, but less is better. Of course they can replace a chain, but most aren't smart (or ambitious enough) to change it for sale. If the bike is dirty and no attempt to clean it for sale, I would walk away.
It's one thing to not do it while you own it, it's entirely another thing when you sell it.

[moab mark]

To add to what Mark just said. Most of the enduros speedometers are resettable. So when they say 300 miles is not an actual odometer.

[REDFOX]

Some of the above possibilities for buying used is the reason that Redspecialized and I looked specifically at bikes in the $3000.00 and under range. All of them require expensive valve changes or adjustments even if the bike is a 2010 model. This was an attempt to keep the investment as low as possible. I have no intentions of riding a knobby tire on roads atleast legally. There seems to be more dirtbikes for sale in comparision of endure type with electric start and lights on ksl.

[accadacca]

I might have a really nice KTM for sale soon. Maybe...if I can part with it. :cry1:

http://img.tapatalk.com/a6934c93-4e2e-0d14.jpg

[Garbanzo]

I might have a really nice KTM for sale soon. Maybe...if I can part with it. :cry1:

http://img.tapatalk.com/a6934c93-4e2e-0d14.jpg

This is a very nice bike.

[Garbanzo]

To add to what Mark just said. Most of the enduros speedometers are resettable. So when they say 300 miles is not an actual odometer.

This is true of my WR450. No actual odometer, just trip A&B. "I swear it only has 500 miles on it". Yeah right! Even an aftermarket hr meter doesn't mean anything unless you know who you're buying from. Ktm and Husa have both odo and hr meter. No lying with these.

[Garbanzo]

This is a very nice bike.

http://img.tapatalk.com/42574599-5f0c-3e20.jpg
And this one in Blue! Not quite as nice.

[RedSpecialized]

My .02 for what its worth. Lots of great advise on here already. I just went through almost the exact same thing you are going through now. I currently ride an 07 kawasaki 1600cc mean streak. I've ridden bikes my whole life. Had a yz250 and a ktm495 in my earlier yrs. I've been out of dirt bike for about 10-15 yrs. So I'm not totally new to bikes, but I definately would consider my self a rookie in the off road arena.
When I was looking for a bike, i didn't want to spend over 3k. I looked for about 3 months striaght on line. Read about every review I could find. Went on ksl almost every night to look at bikes. Got some great advise from people on bogley and even fourtycal let me take his 2strokers for a spin at 5 mile. At first I was dead st on a cr500. A buddy of mine had one growing up and it was the most powerful coolest thing back then. However, after riding several 2 stroke bikes I decided I had better try a 4thumper before getting a bike. I was scared away from them after hearing some horror stories about valve mataince with them with them and the cost of repairs, they weren't really even in the picture for me. After riding my first one I was hooked. The power delivery was just different. Don't get wrong I still really like 2stokes but thought the 4 stroke would be a better allaround bike for me. I contacted several shops and was told as long as I kept the airfilter clean and changed the oil, the valves were not as big a deal as they were made out to be.

So my point in all this, there are lots of good bikes out there. You'd be happy with several probably. I would just make sure you get the typeof bike for the type of riding you want to do. And then test ride as many as you can to findout which you like. Keep an open mind, what I ended up buying was a lot different than what I started looking for. Most of the bikes without light on then are more set up for mx style ridng, jumps, fast and not as much low end torque (usually cheaper). Bikes with headlight from the factory usually have smoother suspension, more torque, not quite as fast, but do better on with trail riding (usually cost more). That being said, any of todays bike you can ride almost anything, some are just better at certain things than others.

Also, when I was looking at bikes I tried to find one with the most after market parts. You'll find adding barkbusters, kickstands, gas tanks, levers and more really starts to add up.

So when it came down to it I couldn't decide on two bikes. A crf450r and a kx450f. So I bought them both. Keep the one I like and sell the other. It ended up working out perfect. A buddy of mine really like the red one and bought that. So now I'm the happy owner of the green monster.

Some good advise given to me. "Just buy a bike and ride"

Laslty, stay away from xr 650's, big, heavy and slow, only good for old men. Ok, just teasing, I had to say that to get mtnseeker going. I'm sure the xr is great bike.

[RedSpecialized]

My .02 for what its worth. Lots of great advise on here already. I just went through almost the exact same thing you are going through now. I currently ride an 07 kawasaki 1600cc mean streak. I've ridden bikes my whole life. Had a yz250 and a ktm495 in my earlier yrs. I've been out of dirt bike for about 10-15 yrs. So I'm not totally new to bikes, but I definately would consider my self a rookie in the off road arena.
When I was looking for a bike, i didn't want to spend over 3k. I looked for about 3 months striaght on line. Read about every review I could find. Went on ksl almost every night to look at bikes. Got some great advise from people on bogley and even fourtycal let me take his 2strokers for a spin at 5 mile. At first I was dead st on a cr500. A buddy of mine had one growing up and it was the most powerful coolest thing back then. However, after riding several 2 stroke bikes I decided I had better try a 4thumper before getting a bike. I was scared away from them after hearing some horror stories about valve mataince with them with them and the cost of repairs, they weren't really even in the picture for me. After riding my first one I was hooked. The power delivery was just different. Don't get wrong I still really like 2stokes but thought the 4 stroke would be a better allaround bike for me. I contacted several shops and was told as long as I kept the airfilter clean and changed the oil, the valves were not as big a deal as they were made out to be.

So my point in all this, there are lots of good bikes out there. You'd be happy with several probably. I would just make sure you get the typeof bike for the type of riding you want to do. And then test ride as many as you can to findout which you like. Keep an open mind, what I ended up buying was a lot different than what I started looking for. Most of the bikes without light on then are more set up for mx style ridng, jumps, fast and not as much low end torque (usually cheaper). Bikes with headlight from the factory usually have smoother suspension, more torque, not quite as fast, but do better on with trail riding (usually cost more). That being said, any of todays bike you can ride almost anything, some are just better at certain things than others.

Also, when I was looking at bikes I tried to find one with the most after market parts. You'll find adding barkbusters, kickstands, gas tanks, levers and more really starts to add up.

So when it came down to it I couldn't decide on two bikes. A crf450r and a kx450f. So I bought them both. Keep the one I like and sell the other. It ended up working out perfect. A buddy of mine really like the red one and bought that. So now I'm the happy owner of the green monster.

Some good advise given to me. "Just buy a bike and ride"

Laslty, stay away from xr 650's, big, heavy and slow, only good for old men. Ok, just teasing, I had to say that to get mtnseeker going. I'm sure the xr is great bike.

[Mtnseeker1]

SLOW?
Dam I love this site.
RedSpecialized hit it spot on and no the BRP is not for sale.
Just follow that kind of advise and it will shorten your search.
Some day I may even let him have a taste of the King of Baja.:lol8:

I'm pretty sure he can hold on long enough.

[Mtnseeker1]

But, I do believe that if you Live2ride have not done the dirt thing yet.
Follow all this advise and like said before do your own home work and keep asking questions.
I have the gut felling you'll more than likely find just what your after.

On a side note: Do not go to big. This is nothing like street and will take some time to get a solid feel for dirt.
The little 250-300cc will just amaze you at how darn fast they are.
Mostly when your a little side ways.

Have you decided to do a street legal (enduro) or full dirt.

If your in my area sometime I'll be more than happy to let you test ride two big bikes. 450 is big right? It is to me anyway.
And don't worry none if you drop them. Just enjoy and get a better feel for just what you may be after.
Dropping them from time to time is just dirt riding. Ask anyone.
Even if they will not admit it unless seen. Right nelson?

But most important like you say Live2Ride is keep the rubber side down and have fun with it.