Metolius vs. Petzl vs. Imlay (for Tom) Canyoneering Packs, what's the best?

[jpratt11]

I currently own the metolius pack and love it. It's 2380 CU (39L) and pretty bulletproof. What is everyone's thoughts about the other two?

http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/canyoneering_pack.html
http://canyoneeringusa.com/shop/product.php?productid=16200&cat=105&page=1
http://canyoneeringusa.com/shop/product.php?productid=16245&cat=105&page=1
And there are about 5 Imlay options of various size.

Thoughts?

[Scott Card]

One of the Imlay options for me thank you very much. :haha:

[CarpeyBiggs]

imlay packs are designed to carry a load comfortably. that's the biggest difference. ICG packs have frames, proper hipbelts, etc...

[Spidey]

having carried both, I'll take an Imlay pack any day over the others. More comfortable by far, purpose built, and with the addition of the hybrid models, essentially just as bullet proof. Not to mention organization, side strap for skinnie's, external straps for whatever. Just a better pack all the way around!

[Iceaxe]

Imlay Kolob :2thumbs:

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[Brian in SLC]

Hey, curious about the Leprechaun.

About the same size as an old BD Bullet pack? 15L? Shoulder straps and waist belt?

Would it fit the new lightweight 36V Bosch, chalk bag with 20 bolts, gri gri, Yates speed stirrup and Petzl handled ascender, bolt kit with bits, wrenches, blow tube, brush and chain anchors?

Does it have a haul loop on it for towing up over broken sharp terrain?

I see Metolius added a waist belt to their little 15L vinyl pack. Hmmm...

[dlofting]

I have 5 Arcteryx packs for various hiking/climbing applications, all of which are renowned for comfort (and cost). I recently bought an Imlay pack for canyoneering and found it to be as comfortable as the Arcteryx or better.....plus it's designed to take the specific rigors of sand/sandstone canyons.

[ratagonia]

Hey, curious about the Leprechaun.

About the same size as an old BD Bullet pack? 15L? Shoulder straps and waist belt?

Would it fit the new lightweight 36V Bosch, chalk bag with 20 bolts, gri gri, Yates speed stirrup and Petzl handled ascender, bolt kit with bits, wrenches, blow tube, brush and chain anchors?

Does it have a haul loop on it for towing up over broken sharp terrain?

I see Metolius added a waist belt to their little 15L vinyl pack. Hmmm...

Yes, the Lep is very similar in size to the original BD Bullet - maybe 20% bigger, maybe a little more. Same idea, second generation, better shoulder straps and 1" strap hipbelt. Big strong heavy handle.

More info on packs available here: http://www.imlaycanyongear.com/130.php

Tom

[Jaxx]

Used my new Heaps pack in Imlay last month. It rocks. I used the little bivy pad. The straps are super comfy. there is a gear loop right inside the main compartment to hang your pothole escape tools so they are handy to get to. I will stop rambling but this pack is worth the $.

[oval]

Metolius canyoneering pack all the way.

The Durethane material that they use is unbelievably resistant to sandstone. Once you go Metolius you'll never go back... because it last for freaking ever. I've been canyoneering in mine for 8 years now and it is in amazing shape.

It's made in the USA as well.

NOTE: the smaller day haulbag that metolius makes is out of thinner Durethane. My friend took it (it was an older version) up some routes in Yosemite and it didn't do to well for him... I'd recommend checking it out before committing to the smaller one.

[rcwild]

Metolius canyoneering pack all the way.

Metolius is discontinuing their canyoneering pack.

[oval]

Metolius is discontinuing their canyoneering pack.
That's sad if true. It's still on their site so far. Even if it did get discontinued, I'd still buy their similarly sized haul bag and add grommet holes... their stuff is that quality.

[Bshelton]

I've had my Imlay Kolob 40L for about a year and a half and have. I've drug it through 10-12 canyons now all of various sizes and lengths. I love this pack! Plenty of storage, still has outside pockets that don't get torn up and they stay out of the way. It drains quickly coming out of the swims and rides nice on the shoulders.

I have had an issue ever since day one with the main front straps being very difficult to to pinch and release. Sometimes it really takes some muscle ( not fun with cold fingers trying to get to the gloves) I'm sure it it's not a systemic problem, I just happen to be the lucky guy who got this one.

I will buy another one when this one wears out! Good pack!

[ratagonia]

I've had my Imlay Kolob 40L for about a year and a half and have. I've drug it through 10-12 canyons now all of various sizes and lengths. I love this pack! Plenty of storage, still has outside pockets that don't get torn up and they stay out of the way. It drains quickly coming out of the swims and rides nice on the shoulders.

I have had an issue ever since day one with the main front straps being very difficult to to pinch and release. Sometimes it really takes some muscle ( not fun with cold fingers trying to get to the gloves) I'm sure it it's not a systemic problem, I just happen to be the lucky guy who got this one.

I will buy another one when this one wears out! Good pack!

If you think your buckles are unusually difficult, it is easy enough to replace them. Probably have to send it here. Now is a good time for me.

Tom

[Bshelton]

No worries Tom, I appreciate the offer though. I am very happy with the pack!!

I didn't mean for that to come off as a complaint, that was not the point of that at all.

I noticed you said you reduced the volume of the Kolab pack to 30L. Are you making a 40L back still? I find that to be a good size.

[ratagonia]

No worries Tom, I appreciate the offer though. I am very happy with the pack!!

I didn't mean for that to come off as a complaint, that was not the point of that at all.

I noticed you said you reduced the volume of the Kolab pack to 30L. Are you making a 40L back still? I find that to be a good size.

If you looked around a little more on the Imlay website, you would find this statement about volume:



How is the pack volume calculated?

I used to make a number up, but now they are measured with ping pong balls.

The "Volume" number stated by manufacturers is a way of communicating the volume of the pack, and has traditionally had only a remote attachment to physical accuracy. I chose numbers based on my experience as pack manager at Black Diamond, where we did actually measure pack volumes using plastic balls. In Fall 2010, I bought a set of balls (I know, I know) and actually measured the packs, so the current stated volume is accurate, though it may not reflect the same size as stated volumes from other manufacturers. The stated volume does not include the pleated pockets.

Once in a while, some of the buckles don't work exactly right. Replacing them with buckles that do work right ==> greater happiness.

Tom

[shaggy125]

I used to have a Peztl pack, the biggest advantage was it was bomb proof... the biggest disadvantage was it was bomb proof and took way too long wear out to the point that I could justify finally buying an Imlay Kolob pack. They are so much more comfortable than the Petzl packs and swimming with them is like night and day. The petzl pack didn't have a hip belt and would float up over my head while trying to swim. One trip swimming back to the boat on Lake Powell two people in our group came back to make sure I wasn't drowning... nope I was just trying to find an efficient way to swim with that stupid pack, never did find one. Buckling up the hip belt on my imlay pack and doing the backstroke is so much better. Haven't used the Metolious packs but they look similar, bomb proof and will last forever but at the cost of the Cadillac-like comfort of the Imlay packs. Imlay packs aren't as bomb proof but hold up WAY better than say a hiking pack from REI.

PS, outside of Zion when you aren't lugging big wetsuits and 200 foot ropes, the Leprechaun is the shiz-nit! I make desperate efforts to take it over my bigger pack on just about every trip... you'd be surprised what you can fit inside or strapped to the side of that thing, just ask anyone who's gone with me. :lol8:

[ewestesen]

the Leprechaun is the shiz-nit!

Ditto! If I'm not using my big imlay pack, I'm using the little one. I think I'm even going to take it to school with me.

[EvergreenDean]

PS, outside of Zion when you aren't lugging big wetsuits and 200 foot ropes, the Leprechaun is the shiz-nit! I make desperate efforts to take it over my bigger pack on just about every trip... you'd be surprised what you can fit inside or strapped to the side of that thing, just ask anyone who's gone with me. :lol8:

No one loads a Lep up like you buddy! I have been following your lead and stuffing it way beyond its intended volume as well. I love those tough little packs.

[chabidiah]

I have been using a Arcteryx bag for years now and it finally died in imlay so I could get the Heaps pack. I used it on Kolob and loved it. I have never owned a bag that drains so well..

[ratagonia]

I have been using a Arcteryx bag for years now and it finally died in imlay so I could get the Heaps pack. I used it on Kolob and loved it. I have never owned a bag that drains so well..

Thank you Chabidiah. Did you use the unplanned bivy pad? It is kind of awkward to get out, and harder to get back in, but it does help.

Tom

[chabidiah]

unfortunately I did, I let my wife use to keep her warmer in Kolob. It was easy to get out but a bi#$h to get in. But it was nice to have. I also really like the size of the top detachable pocket, I can cram a ton of stuff in there and its still easy to get too. Something I thought might be nice in a canyon pack was an easily adjustable hip belt. Something that you could slide up higher for when you are in a harness. just a thought and maybe the logistics don't work out..

[ratagonia]

unfortunately I did, I let my wife use to keep her warmer in Kolob. It was easy to get out but a bi#$h to get in. But it was nice to have. I also really like the size of the top detachable pocket, I can cram a ton of stuff in there and its still easy to get too. Something I thought might be nice in a canyon pack was an easily adjustable hip belt. Something that you could slide up higher for when you are in a harness. just a thought and maybe the logistics don't work out..

Yeah, that would be difficult. But, when rapping, it helps to adjust the hipbelt buckle so it is not-centered.

Tom

[chabidiah]

I will try that next time, but i was mostly think about hiking from rap to rap and my hip belt pushing my harness down. I feel like a plumber sporting crack, btw that scuttle butt is pretty sweet but hard to put on in a dry suit/jump suit.