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ibenick
07-08-2011, 01:41 PM
Just got this email from the BLM about last months permit lottery to The Wave. Looks like they ran the lottery 3 times and I still didn't win it!! Too bad for those that are now getting rejected.



Dear Coyote Buttes lottery applicant:

As you are probably aware, we encountered an error with the October 2011
permit lottery for Coyote Buttes North. By now you should have received
multiple emails either declaring your application a lottery winner, a
lottery loser, or in many cases both. I would like to explain what happened
on July 1, 2011.

In an effort to improve the reliability of our webpages (prevent the system
from "going down" as often), our lottery program was moved to a bigger and
better server. In fact it was moved to multiple servers in order to create
a redundancy that would prevent the system from being unavailable to the
public. An unanticipated result of that move was three times as many
lottery winners were declared, because the lottery ran three times nearly
simultaneously. Consequently, out of the 4700 applicants, approximately 900
received at least one email declaring them a winner. After a meticulous
examination of the time stamps on notification emails the actual 303
winners have been identified.

Those 303 winners should now be able to access the link provided in one of
their emails in order to purchase their hiking permit. Those winners should
also receive a new confirmation email within the next few days.

I realize that for many people this is a "once in a lifetime" opportunity
to visit the Wave and those that were declared, in one of their emails, a
winner are now extremely disappointed. I am very sorry for the stress this
has caused and I assure you we have taken the necessary steps to prevent a
reoccurrence of last weeks events.

Many have asked why we can not make an exception, "this one time" and allow
all of the extra people into the permit area. Regardless of whether the one
time increase in visitors would result in damaging impacts to the
resources, the Wave is in a federally designated wilderness area and we are
also obligated to manage for "outstanding opportunities for solitude or a
primitive and unconfined type of recreation" and therefore cannot triple
the number of people in the area for 30 days. However, it has come to my
attention that some hikers purchased "non-refundable" airline tickets right
after receiving one of the "winning" emails. It is not my intention for
anyone to be financially penalized for a lottery malfunction, so if this is
the case for you, and you can provide a copy of your ticket confirmation
dated prior to this email, contact David Hullum or myself for more
information.

I encourage you to still visit Northern Arizona and the many equally
spectacular areas. If you have any questions please contact David Hullum,
Recreation Technician, at dhullum@blm.gov or 435-688-3331 (tel:435-688-3331).

Sincerely,

Linda Price


Linda Price w Vermilion Cliffs National Monument Manager
Arizona Bureau of Land Management w National Landscape Conservation System
435-688-3241 (tel:435-688-3241) voice w 435-688-3258 (tel:435-688-3258) fax
345 E. Riverside Dr. w St. George, UT 84790
lrprice@blm.gov



David Hullum
Recreation Technician
Vermilion Cliffs National Monument
Arizona Strip Field Office
Bureau of Land Management
345 East Riverside Drive
St. George, UT 84790
(435) 688 - 3331 (tel:%28435%29%20688%20-%203331)

powderglut
07-09-2011, 08:01 AM
:cry1: I did win one. No I didn't. I am one of those people. :cry1: I even talked to David Hullum yesterday. He told me to have a nice day.

Thanks David!:bootyshake:

However,Yay!!!:mrgreen: it seems as some others in our group have got one. Double YAY!! I will get to hike it this Oct.:2thumbs:

BLM. You bite!:angryfire:

wes242
07-09-2011, 08:09 AM
I lost too and so did my friend from Austrialia, but his friend who coming with him from Austrialia in Oct for a couple weeks got one.......... well untill this email came down yesterday and now he got his taken away. Out all the places I am taking them to take pictures of The Wave was the main reason they were coming, they are pretty pissed since they paid for all there flights to get here.... He wrote them a nasty letter.

trackrunner
07-09-2011, 11:57 AM
it sounds like most are having everyone in the group apply for a permit

powderglut
07-09-2011, 02:57 PM
I lost too and so did my friend from Austrialia, but his friend who coming with him from Austrialia in Oct for a couple weeks got one.......... well untill this email came down yesterday and now he got his taken away. Out all the places I am taking them to take pictures of The Wave was the main reason they were coming, they are pretty pissed since they paid for all there flights to get here.... He wrote them a nasty letter.
It may be worth a call back to BLM, if they can prove they bought tickets after they received bogus Wave permits. They may have to compensate them on airfare. Worth checking. Just sayin.

wes242
07-09-2011, 11:31 PM
It may be worth a call back to BLM, if they can prove they bought tickets after they received bogus Wave permits. They may have to compensate them on airfare. Worth checking. Just sayin.

He sent me a message that he did get an email back from them saying that since he did get flights here they might let them have the permits still. He has to call them on monday to finalize things. So I hope for his sake he gets them since he has been planning this trip with me for about 3 years. I am getting sick of the planning and want to get cracking already!

maarten.1975
07-10-2011, 02:24 AM
Hmmm, me as well in the same situation.
I'll check tonight whether the link works.
I am hoping so much...

powderglut
07-10-2011, 07:07 AM
My winning link for Friday says there may be error in my information. Meaning, NO GOOD!
Luckily someone else in the group got one for Thursday and it is good. Hope it works out for all you guys.

maarten.1975
07-13-2011, 09:59 PM
Well, final outcome is now clear for me as well. Even though we had winning e-mails from all 3 of the executed lotteries, now it is said that we didnt win..... A auto-reply e-mail, after personally asking for cetainty concerning the situation. Sad that this happens in this way....
I was really hoping to be able to show my parents the Coyote Buttes North area, for them the last chance in their life I'm afraid.
:(