Conditions in High Spur

[hiker1202]

High Spur was in great shape saturday 3.12.2011. water was only ankle deep and only in a very few spots. Webbing was in great shape. Did not need to install new anchors. High Spur is a great canyon

[Audilard]

Counting down the days. Mid April!!!!

[remoteman45]

AWesome!!!! Headin down there this weekend. Hope to come back with some good pics

[Iceaxe]

Just curious... what does this section look like now?

http://climb-utah.com/Roost/Files/spur4.jpg

The reason I ask is apparently this drop has a tendency to appear and disappear. It's where a drainage enters from the south and from my experience it sometimes digs a hole (as shown in the pic above) and sometimes fills in with sand. It also is filled with water sometimes and sometimes not... anyhoo... just trying to get a better feel for the canyon.

[jeff]

Just curious... what does this section look like now?



When we were down there 2/19 it looked almost exactly like your picture.
But the pile of sand was maybe a little higher at the bottom.

[remoteman45]

Just did High Spur on Saturday and never saw that spot

[Iceaxe]

When we were down there 2/19 it looked almost exactly like your picture. But the pile of sand was maybe a little higher at the bottom.


Just did High Spur on Saturday and never saw that spot


This is one of two known "problem areas" that can trap hikers. The other problem area is above "The Circle". As per the Roost Conditions thread (http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?48067), this is why I advises hikers against attempting this route.

[MPH]

Just did High Spur on Saturday and never saw that spot
Wow...you didn't see that spot? The canyon has definitely changed a little. It is always been waist deep water for me. Glad you had fun!!! Did you hike around or did you leave a car at the exit point? What a hike back it is...

[darkmatter]

That spot was there Tuesday 3/15. The puddle was sizable, but you could skirt it with just getting your feet a little muddy, not wet.

How does it trap hikers? In our group of four, two of us just slithered into the hole, facing downcanyon, until we slipped and slid into the soft sand. Then we partner-assisted the other two. We had gear, but decided this approach was more expedient.

If it wasn't there Saturday...then it must have actually rained Thursday night, and therefore I'm glad we bailed when we did!

[hiker1202]

That spot had a small pool that was easily walked around. Looked like a pile of sand next to the pool but was actually a pile of snow with wind blown sand on covering it.

[AJ]

The spot had a bit more water on Saturday 3/26/11. The talented could stay on the left wall LDC, and only get wet to about mid-calf. Others went up to about mid-thigh... (If I'm remembering correctly. No guarantees. ;)

[obscyre]

I just went through High Spur on 10.01.2011. The photo above was a downclimb, and maybe 8-12 feet tall (from memory). Just wanted to add that High Spur is currently not a dry canyon, and not even close. The section following the potholes and the 1 foot wide window has water, and LOTS of it. My approximation was 100 yards of water with 80% of that swimming (I'm 6'3" for height reference). The water was from about 50 feet after the window, to the rockfall cavern area. There had not been any rain in the Roost for at least one week prior to my visit. Be prepared for the long, cold, and incredibly beautiful swim.

[Iceaxe]

Dang.... I would love to see the photo, but you can't post photo's or attachments until you have 5 posts on bogley. Which is a safe guard forced on us by the spammers.

[TNugent]

Went through on 10.13.2011, the water starts at the window. One couple I talked to went through unprepared and came out way past dark, and very shaken due to the water and cold.

[EvergreenDean]

We encountered a couple on 10-16 that had been through the previous day. They reported the last section being a full swim for over 200 yards, sending them into near hypothermia. We did a speed run down to the first drop around dusk and it was completely dry but not filled in. Amazing how that place changes.

[Iceaxe]

I just went through High Spur on 10.01.2011. The photo above was a downclimb, and maybe 8-12 feet tall (from memory). Just wanted to add that High Spur is currently not a dry canyon, and not even close. The section following the potholes and the 1 foot wide window has water, and LOTS of it. My approximation was 100 yards of water with 80% of that swimming (I'm 6'3" for height reference). The water was from about 50 feet after the window, to the rockfall cavern area. There had not been any rain in the Roost for at least one week prior to my visit. Be prepared for the long, cold, and incredibly beautiful swim.


Here are a couple of Obscyre's pictures from 10-1-11. I'm posting them as he couldn't because he doesn't have 5 posts yet.

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[stirfrybob]

Interesting reports. Planning on doing my third descent of High Spur on Halloween day. However, we won't be bringing wetsuits, so the last section would be a no go for us as it stands. I am hoping some of the more wise and experienced members on this board might be able to give me some help.

I know that this canyon in particular changes all the time. My main question is if anyone knows roughly how fast that section of High Spur drains. Looks so far like the only weather since that section flooded will be a 20% chance of rain on Wednesday. Seems like that would be plenty of time to drain, but I am not going to assume anything.

Secondly, can someone help with some beta on exits out of the canyon? Kelsey mentions an exit that is between the first drop pictured above and the corkscrew section. Can anyone pinpoint that for me and speak to its difficulty? Also, I am assuming there are no exits past that. From my experience, once you drop into that pothole after the window, you are committed to the rest of the canyon. Would you all agree?

Finally, we are also planning our first descents down NW Big Springs and maybe the other two forks. Anyone have experience with those canyons holding a lot of water?

Sorry for all the questions, but you guys are one my best resources and I am glad that this community exists.

The key to survival is preparation.

Thank you.

Peter Jans

peterjans.com - Photos of canyons and much more!

[EvergreenDean]

Peter,

You are correct in NOT assuming this canyon would drain in five days. Be prepared for water regardless of what the weather does this week. The lower canyon was full and wet two full weeks after the last storm when we were in it 9 days ago. If the first pool beneath the first rap/down climb stays dry, I would think it possible for a group with a bit of talent to retreat with some teamwork. As I remember, the drop is maybe 10-12 feet with a ledge? You could leave a rope for a pretty easy jug out.

In case you didn't see my post last week, I am looking for a Sand Trap/ Maxxi Pad anchor that was dropped in Big Spring NW fork 9 days ago. I would greatly appreciate you keeping an eye out for it! When we went through, Big Spring had one waist deep pool, the rest was ankle or calf deep and usually avoidable. Hope that helps.

Dean

[stirfrybob]

Yeah, I am thinking we will hike to the first drop and see what it looks like. I've batmaned that drop before, so I am thinking it should be no problem with an ascender and some prusiks.

Thanks for the Big Springs beta, looking forward to that one. I did see your post earlier and will certainly look out for your Sand Trap.

If anyone hits any of these canyons this week, an update would be much appreciated.

I'll be sure to give an update when I return.

Cheers

[TNugent]

There is an exit just before the corkscrew and one just past the fallen boulder just before the final rap. It is just as easy and faster to go back up the canyon.

[maryscottbiz]

Hi Dean:) Finally signed-up, per your recc., after our awesome week in the slots! We've got dry bags & wet suits for NEXT time we get a surprise cold water swim, at least. Did you guys end up swimming the Corkscrew ?; can't quite tell from your post.

[EvergreenDean]

Hi Dean:) Finally signed-up, per your recc., after our awesome week in the slots! We've got dry bags & wet suits for NEXT time we get a surprise cold water swim, at least. Did you guys end up swimming the Corkscrew ?; can't quite tell from your post.

Hey guys! No, we did a speed run down to that section and back after we did Big Spring. We were a bit late in the day to do the whole canyon. I will PM my personal email to you on here (check "notifications" at the top, hard to spot). Lets stay in touch and get out some time.

[tradkelly]

Hey guys! No, we did a speed run down to that section and back after we did Big Spring. We were a bit late in the day to do the whole canyon. I will PM my personal email to you on here (check "notifications" at the top, hard to spot). Lets stay in touch and get out some time.

Hola, Dean. I'm the other cold, wet one. Nice bumping into ya'll, and thanks to you and your party for your consideration both in giving us a headstart to enjoy the problems in Alcatraz and for pulling our rope.

I am glad that you suggested this for us; we were using Iceaxe's (old) beta on Climb-Utah and were not expecting water based on not having recent rain - it's great to be able to research potential current conditions with recent beta here. That swim was a pretty big surprise! Fortunately, the insurance covered the replacement of the prime camera that swam with me... :slobber: And, we've updated our 'dry' kit since returning. Hope to get together with you and other CO front-rangers in the future.

[SarahT]

High Spur still had the very cold, long swim on 10/21. From the pictures and description here it seems like the water level decreased very little during the week.

East Fork of Big Spring was great on 10/21, just one unavoidable waist deep pool at the end of the slot.

On 10/7 West Big Spring had several waist to chest deep pools that were unavoidable. No wetsuit needed though.

[stirfrybob]

Sorry for the late response. We were in the High Spur area a few weeks ago and ended up doing a Halloween descent of NW Big Springs. We did this one first to gage the water before trying other canyons in the area.

There was water. Mostly waist and chest deep waders, but definetly 1 or 2 swimmers depending on how tall you are. In the last slot section there is a giant chokestone that you cannot squeeze under, so you need to high stem to get on top of it. This is followed by a tight downclimb and a swim. I would say this was the crux of the canyon and I didn't see mention of it in the beta we were using, so it might be a new development. Anyways, it was warm enough outside that we didn't need wetsuits, but any colder and it may have been an issue. Great canyon.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii277/stirfrybob/PeterJans-27.jpg

P.S. Dean, unfortunately no sign of your sandtrap. Based on the amount of water in the canyon, my guess is it is gone. Sorry bud.


Peter Jans
Peter Jans Photography
www.peterjans.com (http://www.peterjans.com)