Is this website new?

[tylerhirshfeld]

Great website I found on google. Whose website is this??? Is it new?

http://www.zioncanyoneering.com/index.html

[Iceaxe]

Registered to: Brent Blaylock - who ever that is?

First time I've noticed the site. I'm not seeing anything new. Just the same old stuff presented in a shiny new package, but it is a nice package.

[oldno7]

I only know one guy who calls Dick's canyon, Pidgeon Poop

[tylerhirshfeld]

Who's that? I know Shaun calls it Pigeon Poop.

[Iceaxe]

***Note: Out of respect, some canyons will not contain information on their location. They are listed to prove that there are still many unnamed, secret, and never before decscended canyons in the Zion area.


Actually the reason they are listed is to prove that someone is an insider and knows where the bodies are buried. All the "no location given" canyons listed are Kip's stuff.

[tanya]

Shaun would have used Bo's and my trail report for Zion Narrows! His photo is there. :wink: They are on Facebook. I just asked them. They seem to link to a few selections (that everyone can access) for each canyon rather than write one up. I can't see Kip listing his canyons. He likes to keep them unknown. It's a good idea. I like it. I was going to link to the other trail reports out there too as I am updating my Zion site. They link to ZAC a lot?

They have Stefans site listed. Hmmmm.... know those on the chat groups well too.

This is a really off the wall guess but..... @jman (http://www.bogley.com/forum/member.php?u=333)
He is so productive and does love the canyons and web stuff

[trackrunner]

I have nothing to do with this site. Don't now who these guys are.

I have noticed they have taken pictures from shane and tanya. Did they get your permission?

Example these are on their website for Red Hollow but I believe these are Shane's pictures.

edit: when you hover over the pic it may list a source. for example these may say "climb-utah.com"

http://www.climb-utah.com/Zion/Files/redhollow6.jpghttp://www.climb-utah.com/Zion/Files/redhollow2.jpg

[trackrunner]

I have now found pictures of mine used without permission

edit: source isn't me. looks like he got the pics from a canyon partner of mine.

[tanya]

Where are my pictures they are using? I could only find the ones linked from their FB page. I am assuming those are yours?

That's not cool without a link back! I did not look through the photos. That would not be jman then. :oops:

We can search

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp
Current Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC. IP Address: 97.74.215.129 (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/arin-details.jsp?domainTitle=zioncanyoneering.com&ip=97.74.215.129)

Registrant:
Brent Blaylock

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ZIONCANYONEERING.COM

Who is Brent Blaylock?

http://www.facebook.com/#!/brent.blaylock (http://www.facebook.com/#%21/brent.blaylock)

I have to guess this is him since he and I have 3 mutual friends: Todd Martin, Bret Boyce, Rich Carlson

Worked for Zion Adventure Company

Looks like he did these site too.
http://azoutingclub.com/trips.html

http://www.arizonacanyoneering.com/

http://azadventurer.com/arizonacanyons.html

He is now my FB friend. ;)

He is at ASU in computer programing.

[tylerhirshfeld]

Just curious. I would like to get a link to my site from this new site, but I would like to know who I am contacting.

[tanya]

Go to their facebook page

[jman]

Not me, sorry to disappoint.

[trackrunner]

looks like links are being provided under Route Descriptions and Trip Reports. not sure if all the time. perhpas the photos could be given better credit back to the source.

edit: when you hover over the pic it may list a source.
my pics don't credit to me.

[tanya]

You must be busy on all your other projects. :lol8:

[trackrunner]

Tanya you may want to request a link for the thunderbird under lodging since they do use and link to your beta website. their hotels and motels link goes to your competitors in springdale.

[tanya]

Will do! And for the Zion Narrows trip report :mrgreen:

[tanya]

Just curious. I would like to get a link to my site from this new site, but I would like to know who I am contacting.

What is your new site? You should put it on your signature line.

[trackrunner]

First time I've noticed the site. I'm not seeing anything new. Just the same old stuff presented in a shiny new package, but it is a nice package.

it's like the huffington post of canyon beta. shiny site with a quick snap shot of beta & pics with a link where it came from.

[AzAdventurer]

Hey everyone!

Just want to introduce myself since I just registered on Bogley and I'm the one who created ZionCanyoneering.com My name is Brent and I've been canyoneering for probably just over 5 years. As stated above I do own and operate those other sites, am a student at ASU, used to work for a couple summers at ZAC, as well as FB friends with Tanya now :)

This might become sort of a long post so I do apologize now, but I just want to explain how my site works and also try to make it better for the entire canyoneering community. First off, like everyone else I'm sure, I have a long list of links in my favorites for Zion canyoneering and sometimes it just takes forever to find the particular blog post I thought was cool about one canyon or the sweet trip report about another, or even the one that has the really good beta. So as a wintertime project a few months ago I decided to do something with the zioncanyoneering.com domain I had bought awhile ago. My thinking was the site would be helpful especially for those sort of new to canyoneering or at least in Zion and would list the links to the trip reports and route descriptions that I thought were some of the best ones on the Internet, or at least the ones I knew of and used.

I'm sure just about everyone here could write a better trip report or description on a canyon than me. So I actually want people to just visit my site to start with and actually navigate away from it to these other sites. So essentially I guess you could say that my site is sort of like my browser favorites anyway but in a shiny new package like Iceaxe says. I'll be honest too that most of the canyoneering websites out there are pretty boring in the sense of their user interface so I just wanted to start to add a new dimension to canyoneering online that I guess was a little more "trendy-looking" maybe?

But, anyways as for the canyons that are listed. Many are already well published and dont need to be explained. Others I found through trip reports available online and thought that some people would like to read about them. I'm not one to post locations of canyons people want to keep secret or encourage poaching at all! But I know some have heard of certain canyons before and might just want to know some more information. If I've listed the location to a canyon that you discovered and do not want available then please let me know and I'd be happy to take the location off. I will pretty much keep all canyon names on the site though, but have no problem not listing certain info on some of the canyons.

As for pictures. Yes, I did use some pictures that weren't mine and I tried to give credit to each picture through a title tag when you hover over each image. I actually didn't mean to keep them up that long because I know they are NOT mine. Like I said it was a wintertime project before the semester started again to get the site up and running and a chance for me to practice my web development skills so I was just trying to run some testing on my database and needed some content to use and then realized school got in the way so I sort of forgot about the site. So I will actually be taking down all images that are not mine or that I haven't received prior permission for. I'm terribly sorry if I offended anyone by posting their images, but if you would like your images up on the site definitely let me know! Like I said before the links that are there I feel are worth people's while to use and I want to direct them away from my site and to these other ones because that's where they'll actually get the information they need and my site is a glorified favorites list.

I'm open to comments, suggestions, concerns, constructive-criticisms, or even just criticisms :haha:

If you read my post all the way to this point then I guess you were interested in what I had to say, so thanks! :)

[AzAdventurer]

Oh forgot to mention! Tyler asked to put his guide service on the site, Canyon Country Guides, so I already did here under Guide Services: zioncanyoneering.com/contacts.html

[Iceaxe]

Its considered good manners to place contact info somewhere on your website.... and I don't mind if you use a couple pics from my website if credit is given.... but I would be nice if you asked first before going live.

I do appreciate the links. :2thumbs:

And it is a good looking website. :nod:

[jman]

Just one question - isn't Tom's "too wet" the other name for Benson Creek?

[Iceaxe]

Just one question - isn't Tom's "too wet" the other name for Benson Creek?

Nope, different canyon.

[tanya]

Welcome to the group Bret.:clap: I am glad you are here with us! You must have explored Zion a great deal working at ZAC.


One strong suggestion! I get you just used some photos temporarily, but if you want to use someones photos you do need to provide a link from that photo back to their home page or in this case perhaps back to their page about the canyon the pictures are from.

You can link back to Bo's and my site for trackrunners photos. :lol8:

(just kidding Shaun!)


Just let me know what you are doing and give me a link back and you can use some of my photos.

[jman]

Nope, different canyon.

I see.... Care to share then? Have you done it Shane? The pictures and TR make it seem decent - or at least trying it once.

[AzAdventurer]

You're absolutely right Iceaxe and tanya!!! A title tag does not link properly back to the owner of the pictures website. I just finished taking down all photos that are not mine or didn't have permission for. I'll be starting again from scratch sometime on adding new ones that I do HAVE permission for :wink: If I add any of yours I'll be sure to let you know FIRST haha

But to comment on Iceaxe's comment about adding contact info I have a place that anyone can send me an email that's accessed from the Contacts tab as well as on any canyon page in the upper left where it says Submit info on this canyon: zioncanyoneering.com/sendemail.html
If you think I should make it more easily available I probably wouldn't disagree

[oldno7]

Just one question - isn't Tom's "too wet" the other name for Benson Creek?

Too Wet is off the Kolob Terrace Road

[trackrunner]

You can link back to Bo's and my site for trackrunners photos. :lol8:

It looks like he got my photos from a canyon partner of mine. I gave a copy of my photos to my canyon partner and he got permission and credit my canyon partner instead. my photos are bad any ways so I don't care.

[accadacca]

As mentioned, great looking website. I really like the ability to rate the canyons.

Could you please add a link to good ole Bogley. Cheers! :2thumbs:

[tylerhirshfeld]

What is your new site? You should put it on your signature line.

Tanya,
I have always thought about that, but for some reason, I always get sidetracked, lost on Bogley!
I will do it right now...

[tanya]

You're absolutely right Iceaxe and tanya!!! A title tag does not link properly back to the owner of the pictures website. I just finished taking down all photos that are not mine or didn't have permission for. I'll be starting again from scratch sometime on adding new ones that I do HAVE permission for :wink: If I add any of yours I'll be sure to let you know FIRST haha

But to comment on Iceaxe's comment about adding contact info I have a place that anyone can send me an email that's accessed from the Contacts tab as well as on any canyon page in the upper left where it says Submit info on this canyon: zioncanyoneering.com/sendemail.html
If you think I should make it more easily available I probably wouldn't disagree

It saves all us nosy people from tracking you down. Once the question was raised, we all had to know who you were. :lol8:

I put on each trail report to come to Bogley or my Zion yahoo group to report errors. I like everyone to add their input and then I don't get a bunch of private mails asking for personalized vacation plans. I used to give no contact info and they would track me down similar to how I tracked you down.

[AzAdventurer]

Thanks accadacca! Actually can't believe I didn't already add one but just did on the Contacts page under Links.

trackrunner, if you'd like to send me your name I'd love to give you credit as well!!!!

[Iceaxe]

But to comment on Iceaxe's comment about adding contact info I have a place that anyone can send me an email that's accessed from the Contacts tab as well as on any canyon page in the upper left where it says Submit info on this canyon:

Your contact info is confusing as we are not certain who we are sending the info to. In my case I wanted to contact the owner or whomever was in charge of the website and that's not real clear. The way it is now your contact info bends in with all the sites you are pimping. Maybe in fine print at the bottom of your contacts page something like:


To contact the Zion Canyoneering webmaster: ZionCanyoneering@thong.com (ZionCanyoneering@thong.com)

[p40whk]

I don't get a bunch of private mails asking for personalized vacation plans.

You do personalized vacation plans!?:party: I didn't see that on your site? :naughty:

All kidding aside, your site (in addition to all the other great sites created by people on this forum) was an invaluable resource for planning my vacation. I can't say thank you enough for taking the time to share your knowledge with those of us that don't have daily access to you're beautiful part of the country.

[tanya]

The photo on my home page is trackrunner - Shaun Vernon ;) Very photogenic young man. :clap: .... it's my favorite i have.
http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/album2/pages/zion-national-park-p_jpg.htm



Jeff... It's sort of like an addiction. I seem to have to write everything in public. :crazy: Maybe I am a closet exhibitionist. :bath:
Thank you for the compliment! :oops:

[AzAdventurer]

thong.com hmmmm could be my next website. might be a fun one to work on :haha:

Thanks for the suggestion though! I'll take a look and see what I can do to make it more clear

[tanya]

By the way... love your idea of making online dating sites for college kids!

Ha ha.... Could you imagine Tom, Shane, Bo.... etc.. in a thong. :lol8:

[AzAdventurer]

Thanks! yeah that site is really taking up my time right now. Preparing for some rapid expansion in the next couple months with our new marketing campaign coming up.

I don't think I want to imagine :shock2:

Just noticed this fancy site. Looks like Tom has been doing some work as well: canyoneeringcentral.com

[tanya]

Yes, he is, but he leaves no doubt its him. :cool2:
http://imlaycanyongear.com/home.php


That is not any easy task to take on for a website... online dating. Best of luck with that. That could make you some real money!

[trackrunner]

trackrunner, if you'd like to send me your name I'd love to give you credit as well!!!!

only 3 are mine, one is of my canyon partner and the other two show the rap. I gave my canyon partner a copy of my pictures and he says he gave you permission so I'm OK with that. Since the picture is of him he should be the one to give permission.

:cool2:

[AzAdventurer]

Thanks Tanya! There really isn't anything like it just for students so hopefully with it being a niche market there will be some money in it for me :mrgreen:

Cool then trackrunner! :cool2:

[ratagonia]

You're absolutely right Iceaxe and tanya!!! A title tag does not link properly back to the owner of the pictures website. I just finished taking down all photos that are not mine or didn't have permission for. I'll be starting again from scratch sometime on adding new ones that I do HAVE permission for :wink: If I add any of yours I'll be sure to let you know FIRST haha

But to comment on Iceaxe's comment about adding contact info I have a place that anyone can send me an email that's accessed from the Contacts tab as well as on any canyon page in the upper left where it says Submit info on this canyon: zioncanyoneering.com/sendemail.html
If you think I should make it more easily available I probably wouldn't disagree

Hiding who is responsible for the website is taken as an indication that there is something sleazy about what you are doing. Saying exactly who you are is good form.

A copyright notice at the bottom of each page (or the first page) is helpful and makes things clear.

Putting your name, email address and physical address at the bottom of the first page is a good idea but... BEST to do it as an image (rather than in text) so that it cannot be automatically harvested by bots for spamming purposes. Fax numbers especially.

Tom

[tanya]

Tom,

I was adding a couple of links to your site while I was updating mine. Am I correct in assuming you prefer links to go to the url on your signature?

[ratagonia]

Tom,

I was adding a couple of links to your site while I was updating mine. Am I correct in assuming you prefer links to go to the url on your signature?

The CanyoneeringCentral is a temporary domain name, so the new website will be at the CanyoneeringUSA.com address. Latest Rave will stay the same, but the links to individual canyons will change, though I will try to build a redirect table so old links will still work just fine.

Tom