H2O: Dangerous Chemical!

[Pelon1]

A student at Eagle Rock Junior High won first prize at the Greater Idaho Falls Science Fair, April 26. He was attempting to show how conditioned we have become to alarmists practicing junk science and spreading fear of everything in our environment. In his project he urged people to sign a petition demanding strict control or total elimination of the chemical "dihydrogen monoxide."
And for plenty of good reasons, since:
it can cause excessive sweating and vomiting
it is a major component in acid rain
it can cause severe burns in its gaseous state
accidental inhalation can kill you
it contributes to erosion
it decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes
it has been found in tumors of terminal cancer patients
He asked 50 people if they supported a ban of the chemical.
Forty-three (43) said yes,
six (6) were undecided,
and only one (1) knew that the chemical was water.
The title of his prize winning project was, "How Gullible Are We?"
He feels the conclusion is obvious.

[moabfool]

He just stole it from a website.

http://dhmo.org/

Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:



Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
Contributes to soil erosion.
Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

Despite the known dangers of DHMO, it continues to be used daily by industry, government, and even in private homes across the U.S. and worldwide. Some of the well-known uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:



as an industrial solvent and coolant,
in nuclear power plants,
by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels,
by elite athletes to improve performance,
in the production of Styrofoam,
in biological and chemical weapons manufacture,
in the development of genetically engineering crops and animals,
as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant,
in so-called "family planning" or "reproductive health" clinics,
as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs,
as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air conditioning compressor operation,
in cult rituals,
by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members' families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted DHMO.org to vehemently deny such use),
by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches,
by members of Congress who are under investigation for financial corruption and inappropriate IM behavior,
by the clientele at a number of bath houses in New York City and San Francisco,
historically, in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran,
in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for various forms of torture,
during many recent religious and ethnic wars in the Middle East,
by many terrorist organizations including al Quaeda,
in community swimming pools (http://www.ffcpool.com/) to maintain chemical balance,
in day care centers (http://www.willaroadcenter.org/), purportedly for sanitary purposes,
by software engineers, including those producing DICOM programmer APIs (http://www.laurelbridge.com/dcf.html) and other DICOM software tools (http://www.laurelbridge.com/products.html) including DICOM routers (http://www.laurelbridge.com/compass.html),
by popular computer science professor (http://www.csc.villanova.edu/%7Etway)s,
by the semi-divine King Bhumibol of Thailand and his many devoted young working girls in Bangkok,
by the British Chiropractic Association and the purveyors of the bogus treatments that the BCA promotes,
by commodities giant Trafigura in their well-publicized and widely-known toxic-waste dumping activities in Ivory Coast,
in animal research laboratories, and
in pesticide production and distribution.

What you may find surprising are some of the products and places where DHMO is used, but which for one reason or another, are not normally made part of public presentations on the dangers to the lives of our family members and friends. Among these startling uses are:



as an additive to food products, including jarred baby food and baby formula, and even in many soups, carbonated beverages and supposedly "all-natural" fruit juices
in cough medicines and other liquid pharmaceuticals,
in spray-on oven cleaners,
in shampoos, shaving creams, deodorants and numerous other bathroom products,
in bathtub bubble products marketed to children,
as a preservative in grocery store fresh produce sections,
in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors,
in the coffee available at major coffee houses in the US and abroad,
in Formula One race cars, although its use is regulated by the Formula One Racing Commission, and
as a target of ongoing NASA planetary and stellar research.

[tanya]

It just shows how stupid and uneducated people are.. not how gullible.

[Bo_Beck]

What kind of "Knot" is this and if you absolutely had no other choice would you trust it as a knot to tie two ropes of equal diameter together so that you could rappel out of a canyon? (no back-up knots allowed on this knot)

[accadacca]

What kind of "Knot" is this and if you absolutely had no other choice would you trust it as a knot to tie two ropes of equal diameter together so that you could rappel out of a canyon? (no back-up knots allowed on this knot)
I don't remember what that knot is called. If I had no other choice I would rappel from it. :ne_nau: This must be a trick question. :rope:

[Bo_Beck]

I don't remember what that knot is called. If I had no other choice I would rappel from it. :ne_nau: This must be a trick question. :rope:
I suppose my point would be that many people would jump to the conclusion that a "square" knot or "reef" bend should hold 2 ropes together under tension, but would fail to inspect to see if it really is a "square" knot? Sort of like not checking out the chemical name for water? Most folks just know H2O. Take a look at the full picture and maybe you'll change your mind?41761

[accadacca]

Ah ha! I had originally thought that the rope was full length on both sides. What a n00b!! :lol8:

[jman]

Ah ha! I had originally thought that the rope was full length on both sides. What a n00b!! :lol8:

Well to quote Tanya, you are "too stupid and uneducated" then. Haha

[accadacca]

Well to quote Tanya, you are "too stupid and uneducated" then. Haha
There might be some truth to that. :haha:

[tanya]

Ropes are another story. lol

What was going though my brain is that this project shows that for the most part we don't care when told things are harmful to us.

it can cause excessive sweating and vomiting
it is a major component in acid rain
it can cause severe burns in its gaseous state
accidental inhalation can kill you
it contributes to erosion
it decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes
it has been found in tumors of terminal cancer patients

Sounds bad, yes, but we are use to hearing such things all the time and never look into it. We tend to either believe it all or none of it.


We are told that products are very harmful to us each day and we continue to use them and don't care. We think that it's bogus, will never hurt us or anyone we care about, that there is so much out there that harms us why bother to care, etc... We have a whole list of excuses why we don't care.

A few really educated themselves and learn the truth about things. They care about it. Thus they are not stupid and uneducated (about the things they care enough to learn about)

Does this make sense?

[jman]

Ropes are another story. lol

What was going though my brain is that this project shows that for the most part we don't care when told things are harmful to us.

it can cause excessive sweating and vomiting
it is a major component in acid rain
it can cause severe burns in its gaseous state
accidental inhalation can kill you
it contributes to erosion
it decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes
it has been found in tumors of terminal cancer patients

Sounds bad, yes, but we are use to hearing such things all the time and never look into it. We tend to either believe it all or none of it.


We are told that products are very harmful to us each day and we continue to use them and don't care. We think that it's bogus, will never hurt us or anyone we care about, that there is so much out there that harms us why bother to care, etc... We have a whole list of excuses why we don't care.

A few really educated themselves and learn the truth about things. They care about it. Thus they are not stupid and uneducated (about the things they care enough to learn about)

Does this make sense?

Of course. I knew what you meant - just giving ya a hard time Tanya.

[tanya]

I tend to think everyone reads my mind. :mrgreen:

[Deathcricket]

I loved it when Penn and Teller did this, let me see if I can dig up the video....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OWJQySgTJ8

[Bo_Beck]

It just shows how stupid and uneducated people are.. not how gullible.

You are certainly right Tanya. I've made my blunders (stupidity) and a fair share at that! My point made below was more directed towards "mindgames", sort of like; "What is Janes dogs name? Spot!" "Say spot 5 times as fast as you can!' Now what do you do when you come to a green light?" Just not taking the time to think out the correct answer a large percentage of folks immediately respond "stop".

I went to snopes and found out that the dihydrogen monoxide thing was indeed true! Wow.....yes we are certainly not thinking clearly oftentimes when it comes to warnings. Good point Tanya.

[tanya]

I am stupid and uneducated about ropes. :nod: I like to let you do that and take photos.

It's all about choices. I choose to let you do ropes while I take pictures. :haha:


What human does not make blunders and do stupid things. That is how we learn and grow. The wisest and most educated perhaps have made the most because they are out in the world testing it and themselves. If only to be born perfect!



(Cant watch the video at the moment. Teens have taken my speakers for the week to watch basektball on their laptops)

[moabfool]

(Moabfool raises hand) IT'S A SQUARE KNOT! and no, I wouldn't rappel on it. Oh, wait, somebody already answered the question.

I remember when I first got the e-mail years ago, I started reading about all the terrible things DHMO was responsible for causing. I thought, "Wow! Something really needs to be done. This stuff is bad news!" Then I thought, "What is dihydrogen monoxide? What would the chemical name look like? Dihydrogen...thats two hydrogen atoms, or H<2>...monoxide...that's one O. H<2>O?" At that point I did a face slap and drag. Then I promptly forwarded it to all my friends just to see how many suckers I could get to bite. The ones who got the joke got a laugh, and the ones who didn't get the joke got laughed at.

[Bo_Beck]

(Moabfool raises hand) IT'S A SQUARE KNOT! and no, I wouldn't rappel on it. Oh, wait, somebody already answered the question.

I'm not laughing, but you'd better take a much closer look at the second picture once again. It is not a "square knot" at all Moab Fool! Look very closely at how the two working ends of the line exit on opposite sides of the body of the line. Give a slight tug on this "sex knot" and it capsizes and pulls free.

[Bo_Beck]

I'm not laughing, but you'd better take a much closer look at the second picture once again. It is not a "square knot" at all Moab Fool! Look very closely at how the two working ends of the line exit on opposite sides of the body of the line. Give a slight tug on this "sex knot" and it capsizes and pulls free.

It'd be interesting to know how many of you came up with the answer "Square Knot" even after getting to look at the whole picture? Do we jump to conclusions without critical analysis? I'd say it's a lot more common than we'd like to admit.

[trackrunner]

It'd be interesting to know how many of you came up with the answer "Square Knot" even after getting to look at the whole picture? Do we jump to conclusions without critical analysis? I'd say it's a lot more common than we'd like to admit.

I guessed it was a theif knot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_knot

[moabfool]

It'd be interesting to know how many of you came up with the answer "Square Knot" even after getting to look at the whole picture? Do we jump to conclusions without critical analysis? I'd say it's a lot more common than we'd like to admit.

1 - You got me. I'll pay much better attention to the knots others tie in the future.
2 - If I had tied it it would be a square knot
3 - I wouldn't rappel on a square knot. There are so many other knots that are more secure, and some are easier to tie.


I guessed it was a theif knot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_knot

I never knew the square knot was also known as the reef knot.

[oldno7]

3 - I wouldn't rappel on a square knot. There are so many other knots that are more secure, and some are easier to tie.
.

Really? Maybe theres a way to make a square not more secure and use it in a canyoneering scenario.
What if it was a very useful knot, but you just haven't seen how it works?
Could you have possibly "jumped to a conclusion without critical analysis"?

[moabfool]

Really? Maybe theres a way to make a square not more secure and use it in a canyoneering scenario.
What if it was a very useful knot, but you just haven't seen how it works?
Could you have possibly "jumped to a conclusion without critical analysis"?

There are levels of critical analysis. There's the level to which a person should aspire to keep from looking like a fool or really hurting themselves or others. That's the level that keeps you safe while driving and tells you not to click on the link for the free laptop. That level takes a questioning attitude and a healthy uneasiness. Then there's the level that's borderline obsessive. That's the level that requires you to know the molecular structure of bacon fat without a reference book. Okay, you can know that, but it becomes weird when you think other people will admire them for that knowledge. That level is reserved for people who wear pocket protectors and need a human to geek translator. No thanks. I prefer women over Star Wars.

But since you called me out here goes. I know that I can join two ropes using a double overhand (Euro Death Knot or EDK), a flemmish bend (back passed figure 8) with or without the backing double fishermen (with is preferred), a water knot with backing double fisherman, a triple fisherman knot, or a (wait for it) square knot backed up by double fishermen. Here's the thing, since I know and trust the EDK (doubled to prevent rolling) I really don't need to use the others. I'm sure there's one instance where knowing 17 different ways to join a rope may come in handy, but the greater danger lies in knowing something half-way, screwing it up, and getting yourself or another hurt or killed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3lQSxNdr3c

[mmac]

I prefer women over Star Wars.

I prefer women who love Star Wars. :haha:

http://stuffincleavage.com/wordpress/wpcontent/uploads/2011/01/leia-cosplay-1.jpg

[Don]

I prefer women who love Star Wars. :haha:

http://stuffincleavage.com/wordpress/wpcontent/uploads/2011/01/leia-cosplay-1.jpg

+1 :naughty:

[tanya]

Woman? She looks 16 at the most. :mrgreen:

[hank moon]

What kind of "Knot" is this and if you absolutely had no other choice would you trust it as a knot to tie two ropes of equal diameter together so that you could rappel out of a canyon? (no back-up knots allowed on this knot)

with "absolutely no other choice " I guess I'd trust it :haha:

and I thought it was a pine knot...

no prob rapping on a short side!

[moabfool]

What kind of "Knot" is this and if you absolutely had no other choice would you trust it as a knot to tie two ropes of equal diameter together so that you could rappel out of a canyon? (no back-up knots allowed on this knot)

Okay, just for fun I've decided to get really critical, not critical of the knot, but critical of the question. I'm laughing as I write this so don't take it personally. This is just for the fun of rhetoric.

If I had "absolutely no other choice" I would rappel on shoe laces tied together with granny knots. If the choice is between certain death or near certain death I'll choose near certain death almost every time.

I don't know if you've ever seen that crappy movie "Vertical Limit" (note the use of prejudicial language). I've only seen it once so pardon me if I don't get this exactly right. The way hot, mad skilled climber chick is on this tiny ledge over a massive chasm. If she stays on the ledge she dies. If she tries to escape she probably dies. She has but one choice, jump for a dyno move and hope her injured hand finds the hold. The gamble worked and she got out alive. What cracked me up was the audible gasp that went up in the theater when she tried it. I just gave her a golf clap for having massive chops. What the rest of the audience missed was the fact that if she didn't try the move she was dead anyway. She had "absolutely no other choice."

Another example is from real life. In the amazing documentary "Touching the Void" (note the use of prejudicial language) a counter intuitive decision saved a live. The scene: A badly injured mountaineer lies on an ice bridge after he has fallen in a crevasse. He calls for his partner, the only help that could possibly save him. His partner is not there. He can not ice climb due to two shattered hips. He can either die where he lies or make a terrible decision, a decision that seemingly can only make his bad situation worse. After weighing his options (and droping several f-bombs) he decides to rappel further into the crevasse. That decison ultimately saved his life.

So, would I rappel on that knot? NO! Would I rappel on that knot if I "absolutely had to?" Yes. But since I can never think of an instance where I would "(have) absolutely no other choice," and since I have a moderately sized bag of tricks I'm still saying no.


Woman? She looks 16 at the most. :mrgreen:

WWIAD (What Would Ice Ax Do?)

[tanya]

http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tanya http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?p=436991#post436991)
Woman? She looks 16 at the most. :mrgreen:



WWIAD (What Would Ice Ax Do?)

No clue but I think he has daughters about that age. I have one that just turned 17 the other day as well as a 13 and 15 year old. That child looks about the age of my soon to be 14 year old. They are gorgeous, but luckily males much older than them creep them out.

[JP]

He just stole it from a website.
I actually saw Penn & Teller reel in the liberals on their show Bullshit. Either way, the kid proved the same point others have made. Bandwagon morons will follow BS causes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZRBJYX__E

[moabfool]

http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tanya http://www.bogley.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?p=436991#post436991)
Woman? She looks 16 at the most. :mrgreen:



WWIAD (What Would Ice Ax Do?)

No clue but I think he has daughters about that age. I have one that just turned 17 the other day as well as a 13 and 15 year old. That child looks about the age of my soon to be 14 year old. They are gorgeous, but luckily males much older than them creep them out.

I guess I'm not a funny today as I thought. Ice has joked about that sort of stuff in the past, but he may have changed his tune. May your daughters always be grossed out by creepy old guys. I guess it all comes back to honest, critical analysis.

[JP]

You need a few of these :roflol: :mrgreen: :lol8:

[tanya]

I don't tread into the basement much to read those posts, luckily or have just not read the threads he has done it on. The only one I really remember is him defending his posting of older women saying he is not turned on by kids, and thus was posting photos of women more his age (that no one really was into) but then I avoid most of the man talk on here. I really don't know.

I do think though that men don't stop and think that posting pictures of girls so much younger than them is really sick. I can't imagine being turned on by a boy. What is it men see in little girls? Honest question everyone!

There are few things I actually defend but kids are one even though many confused kids dress up begging for attention from older men.