Middle Name Selection

[DiscGo]

So my wife is pregnant and due to complications we found out yesterday that there is a good chance that we are going to have a boy. I picked the last two children's first names and so my wife will be picking this little boy's first name. I do have some influence over the middle name and I want to go big.


I am curious to know your guys' opinion on what name you like more. If you don't like the names in my poll, feel free to do a write-in campaign.

[Pelon1]

Or something similiar if it doesn't go with her first name:nod:

[DOSS]

Both of my Daughters have strange names.. in fact I sometimes have to give people a pronunciation guide for my eldest daughters name because people are unable to acknowledge the fact that different letters do in fact make different sounds :lol8: Lan does not = Lynn --- anyhow I still say go with something different and avoid the generic names at all costs :).. I voted Talca and would honestly laugh at a person named Awesome, thats like naming a kid Karisma (who happens to be shy and unfriendly, at least the one I know is)

[tanya]

In the news today... http://www.yahoonews.com


he names people choose to give their children communicate a wealth of social information - more so now than ever before. A new analysis of name statistics suggests that the meaning conveyed by a baby's name (http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/babynamesrevealmoreaboutparentsthaneverbefore;_ylt =Ak8tyGXITyT6KIR6RQwh5JSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTRxcjNxMGJ rBGFzc2V0A2xpdmVzY2llbmNlLzIwMTAxMjAxL2JhYnluYW1lc 3JldmVhbG1vcmVhYm91dHBhcmVudHN0aGFuZXZlcmJlZm9yZQR jY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzgEcG9zAzUEcHQDaG9tZ V9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNiYWJ5bmF tZXNyZXY-#) - that is, what a name tells others about the parents' tastes and background - has ramped up significantly over the last 25 years as baby names (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/babynamesrevealmoreaboutparentsthaneverbefore/38847353/SIG=128ubf9c2/*http://www.livescience.com/culture/most-popular-baby-names-100224.html) have become more diverse and numerous.
"We're in the middle of a naming revolution," said Laura Wattenberg, author of the popular book "The Baby Name Wizard" (Three Rivers Press, 2005) and creator of the website BabyNameWizard.com. "Parents are putting a much higher premium on distinctiveness (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/babynamesrevealmoreaboutparentsthaneverbefore/38847353/SIG=124a4k2dh/*http://www.livescience.com/culture/baby-names-uncommon-100224.html)."
In a recent blog post (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/babynamesrevealmoreaboutparentsthaneverbefore/38847353/SIG=136rnsl2l/*http://www.babynamewizard.com/archives/2010/10/the-names-you-choose-mean-more-today-than-ever-before), Wattenberg explored how this trend has changed the very meaning and purpose of a name.
Pursuing uniqueness en masse
As Wattenberg points out, in the 1950s, the top 25 most common boy's names and the top 50 girl's names accounted for half of babies born. Today, however, those top names are given to fewer babies. In fact, you'd have to include the most popular 134 boy's names and the top 320 girl's names to cover half of all babies born every year. [Most Popular Baby Names in History (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/babynamesrevealmoreaboutparentsthaneverbefore/38847353/SIG=128ubf9c2/*http://www.livescience.com/culture/most-popular-baby-names-100224.html)]
"If you have 10 guesses to get somebody's name today there's almost no chance you'll get it," Wattenberg told LiveScience. "But 100 years ago, if you guessed the top 10 names you'd have a really good chance" of guessing correctly.
But with these changes in naming trends come social implications.
"The more diverse naming styles become, the more we are going to read into somebody's name," Wattenberg said. She analyzed baby name statistics (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/babynamesrevealmoreaboutparentsthaneverbefore/38847353/SIG=123a7mede/*http://www.livescience.com/culture/baby-names-effects-100610.html) from the U.S. Social Security Administration to calculate a measure called Shannon entropy from the field of information theory. This measure is used to describe the information contained in a message - in this case, how much is communicated by the choice of a name.
The concept of entropy is associated with the disorder and chaos in a system (the second law of thermodynamics states that a closed system will always move toward higher entropy). Shannon entropy describes the relationship between how much disorder or uncertainty is associated with a certain variable, and how much information is stored in a message. The more diverse and uncertain the field of possible messages, the more information the message will contain.
Wattenberg calculated a sharp rise in name entropy over time. She found that this measure of the information carried by names has risen as much in the past 25 years as it did in the full century before that. (The measure is independent of the number of babies born.)
That means that meeting a baby named Mary today tells you a lot more about the girl's parents than meeting a baby with the same name 50 years ago would have. And the same goes for any name you can think of.
The sociology of names
Names communicate so much, because they often embody parents' values and tastes, as well as dreams and ambitions for their child.
"Sociologists love names," Wattenberg said. "They're practically the only case of a choice with broad fashion patterns that there's no commercial influence on. There's no company out there spending millions to convince you Brayden is a perfect name for your son." (Studies have shown that movies, celebrities and other cultural trends do have an impact on the popularity of certain names.)
To understand how the meaning communicated through names has evolved, Wattenberg suggests thinking about an office with a dress code requiring all employees to wear gray or blue suits to work every day. Seeing a man dressed in a blue suit in such an environment would tell you very little about that man's taste or personality.
Compare that to an office with no dress code. Here employees' sartorial choices vary widely, so the outfit worn by anyone in that office could tell you a fair bit about that person as an individual. In this case, the same blue suit might reveal significant clues about its wearer.
The same goes for names. In an era where there are a lot more choices available, each choice carries more weight.
Jean Twenge, a professor of psychology at San Diego State University, called Wattenberg's work an "interesting analysis" and said, "It looks solid to me."
Twenge, author of book "The Narcissism Epidemic: Living in the Age of Entitlement" (Free Press, April 2009), said the shift toward unique names was part of a broader social shift toward individualism in many aspects of our lives.
"It is much more common now for people to say, 'I want my child to stand out,'" Twenge said. "Naming a kid used to be an easier decision. Now you have to strike a balance in finding a name that isn't too popular, and isn't too weird."
And the fact that everyone who meets a child will now be able to glean more information from his or her name just adds to the predicament.
That means that parents-to-be who obsess over the choice of what to name their bun in the oven are justified in devoting hours to the decision. As Wattenberg wrote, "They're not just obsessive, they're responding to a new reality. I can prove it."
Seeds of a revolution
So how did names evolve to favor uniqueness over popularity?
Certainly the Internet is part of it. The social networking and easy communication with people beyond one's geographical local sphere means more sources of influence surround parents when deciding on a name. And with the rise of online user names - often based on a person's real name - comes an added incentive for that name to be one that no one else has.
"The idea of your name as a unique signifier that separates you from everyone else - that's a new idea," Wattenberg said. "Names never had to be unique. But today your name is often the first way and sometimes the only way people know you."
While it used to be enough to have a name unique to your neighborhood, now many parents are deterred if it's a name more than a few people in the world share.
Yet Twenge stressed that the trend toward distinctive names started before the Internet became so important.
Statistics show the diversification of baby names began in the 1960s, at the same time that Americans started placing more emphasis on individuality (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/babynamesrevealmoreaboutparentsthaneverbefore/38847353/SIG=11ulqqkja/*http://www.livescience.com/health/060718_nature_nurture.html) and less on collectivity and fitting in.
Also, the advent of name statistics has undoubtedly shaped naming trends. The Social Security Administration has only recently made baby name data available. Before that, people had anecdotal reasons to think a given name was popular or scarce, but they couldn't be sure. Now every year the country's most popular names are ranked and released.
"It's had a huge effect," Wattenberg said of the data. "There's a kind of reverse competitiveness that nobody wants to be number one."
And as much as people strive for uniqueness, ultimately humans are social animals that still want to fit in.
"We all want to be different from each other, but our tastes are still as much alike as they ever were," Wattenberg said. "So the result is we have a thousand tiny variations on a theme. You get Kayden, Brayden, Hayden, Jayden."

[ibenick]

I can't believe no one else has voted for Awesome. :ne_nau:

[tanya]

:lol8:

[Jaxx]

my vote is GRAYSKULL!!!

[Sombeech]

Danger

[ratagonia]

I can't believe no one else has voted for Awesome. :ne_nau:

You modern kids... Me, I'm a traditionalist. Naming him after a slave... not a good idea. If you want to pump the kid up from birth, I'd go with Magnus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey

Although that then makes you Strabo = cross-eyed; though I thought Magnus's father was also cognomened "Carbo", meaning butcher, for his enthusiasm as a battle commander for executing all members of the opposition captured in battle.

Julius has a nice ring to it to.

Tom :moses:

[DiscGo]

My brother has dibbed Danger. He has had 2 girls, but really wants a son and to have his middle name be danger. Otherwise, I like it.

[tanya]

I went both ways... one son, the older one's middle name is traditional - Joseph. The younger son, 10 years old, his middle name is far less common - Daegon.

[Deuce]

Spartacus, Awesome, Thunder, Danger….well, he better be able to live up to the name or it will hang on him like an anchor.

[tanya]

Agreed... if used, they are better to be an earned nick name.

[Deathcricket]

I went both ways...

Do tell..... :naughty:



I would say it depends on what the first name is going to be. But I appreciate going big. For example:

Gunner Bazooka Burt
Ben Bionic Burt
:2thumbs:

[tanya]

We all know I do. :lol8: off and on. :mrgreen:

The one thing about middle names is a kid usually only hears it when they are in trouble.

[accadacca]

Magellan

[mattandersao]

I have always wanted to name a son "Doctor" or "Governor" or " Senator" just imagine the reaction (especially from the ladies :wink:) if some attractive 20 year old introduced himself to a girl he was interested in as "Dr/Senator/Governor Anderson"!

[DiscGo]

I have always wanted to name a son "Doctor" or "Governor" or " Senator" just imagine the reaction (especially from the ladies :wink:) if some attractive 20 year old introduced himself to a girl he was interested in as "Dr/Senator/Governor Anderson"!

Brilliant!

[uintahiker]

DiscGo for his middle name. Everyone would think he could dance. Or Canyon, or Summit, or something like that would work as well.
One that I think would be cool is Belisarius. That guy kicked butt- his wife was a skank though.

[Sombeech]

I went both ways...


Do tell..... :naughty:

39530

[greyhair biker]

mephistopheles. mep for short:cool2:

[greyhair biker]

Aristotle...

[greyhair biker]

Loki ?:wink:

[Felicia]

Warning: Huge Rant Ahead!!!

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I think that naming a kid is one of the greatest responsibilities of being a parent. That kid has to live the rest of his life with that name. Give the kid a fair shot at succeeding and don't put target on his back.

Everyday I look a cage full of bodies and invariably there is some stupid name on the custody list. "No wonder they are a criminal." ie: Mister Precious Smith: not real last name, but just as generic. His name is called, all heads turn only because custodies are not called mister and miss, now everyone is watching: up sets to the cage wall a 19 year old black kid that stood no taller than 5'5". He lives in a gang infested area of SoCal - no wonder he is in for charges that expose him to 25 year to life. Or the beach drunk Wallace Wallace Wallace. Or Chastity (same age as Cher's daughter) Belt for prostitution. Just this week I watch Sunshine Beam ----- (don't remember the last name) be charged by the People represented by Deputy DA Winter.

I know people that have legally changed their name because of the torture and abuse they have received over the years for their parents humor and creativity. And to make matters worse, their families got angry.

You could choose to not give the kid a middle name. You do not have to have a middle name. I do not have a legal middle name on purpose - family tradition states that Bicknell girls do not get middle names. I'm expected to take Bicknell as my middle name if I were to take a married name, or I can pick my own middle name. I picked a middle name, and I have a middle name, but have choosen not to make it my legal middle name.

My last note on this subject: Please use most recognized spellings of names. Every time your name is "misspelled" it becomes an AKA (also known as) and your records become more scattered and convoluted. So what you ask - wait till you have to deal with identity theft. They don't just steal your name, but they usually get all your AKAs as well.

***Rant off****

Congrats on the new addition!! Good luck with choosing a name. :nod:

[Deathcricket]

Uhh... I would suggest that picking an unusual middle name is not going to screw your child up in any way shape or form. All your examples cited are for 1st names and that I can agree with. My cousin has the middle name of "Lorca" and lives in a million dollar home atop a mountain in San Diego. He is a brilliant geneticist and makes daily contributions to society greater than I, with no middle name, will ever do in my entire life. I would also suggest another reason for your line of thinking is that unusual names will stand out more in your mind, so they seem more prevalent than they actually are. I know they stand out in mine at least. There was a girl at my last job named Kristol Brings Plenty. While the name stood out in my mind, I doubt it has impacted her life negatively to any degree. And in my mind, anyone who judges you purely by your name, appearance, color of skin, shoes you wear, or whatever.. Isn't really worth knowing anyways.

[Sombeech]

My wife's first name is Niari. Nobody can pronounce it, nor spell it upon hearing it. It's inconvenient for me when people ask me what her name is, but imagine for her going her whole life constantly having to spell it, how to pronounce it, having it read off of a list in front of groups always incorrectly... Sure it's a conversation starter but I'm just rolling my eyes at her parents most of the time. :haha: It just seems to slow things down.