Dyna Ring

[moab mark]

Decided to try out a Dyna Ring in my WR 450. Two of my buddies have them and after riding them I decided I need one. We rode 130 miles yesterday from Green River to Moab and back and it is the best money ever spent. It is cheating.:nod:

If you are not familiar with the concept here is the site.

http://www.revloc.com/index.cfm/id/10/DynaRing/

They rule.

Mark

[fourtycal]

I have always wanted a Rekluse clutch, this looks much more simple and cheaper by a couple of hundred. Do you or your buddies have any experience with the Rekluse? For the price I am very tempted to buy and try it. Thanks for the link :2thumbs:

[moab mark]

Another one of my buddies has a recluse in a KTM. I cannot tell any difference between a Dyna Ring and a Recluse other then one is $800 and one is $370. As soon as Alan at Dyna Ring has the left hand rear brake setup bugs worked out I am going to install that also and completely remove the clutch handle. What size bike are you looking at putting it in? The reason I ask is we also have a buddy with one in a 250 and it does not perform as well as the 450. Alan at Revloc says that because of the smaller diameter clutch in a 250 it doesn't create as much centrifugal force which doesn't allow it to hook up as hard. If you want to drop by the Kaysville area you can take my for a spin and see what you think. The amazing part is you cannot stall it no matter what and you can pull a higher gear in loose traction areas and it doesn't spin as easily. I would consider myself a recreational rider but one of my buddies has rode motorcross his whole life and he put one in the same day I did. I loved it but I was interested to see what he thought. Hie is one of those type that the front tire is never on the dirt and he couldn't stop raving about it riding home in the truck from Green River. He also now wants to add the left hand rear brake. When in techincal terrain it should be outlawed it is so easy to ride. My son rides a WR 250 and he was along the other day. It was unbelievable to watch him struggle on obstacles that we would go up with complete ease. The only downside is when the bike is shut off the tranny does not lock up. So if wanting to park on a hill etc you need a toe strap from a mtn bike to slip on the front brake handle to make the bike stay put.

[supergper]

Hey Mark, I'm going to take a guess and say you ride with Russ? I was pretty sold on a Dyna Ring, but after riding his bike with it, I couldn't go without one. I put one in my CRF450X and have loved every minute of it. Not that riding isn't fun, but it makes it 10Xs as fun because you are just enjoying the riding, even in the technical stuff. I won't have another bike without one.

[moab mark]

Russ Tribe or Holbook? The Dyna Ring is cheating.:hail2thechief:

[supergper]

Holbrook

[moab mark]

Should of seen his maneuver at the Cow Wash. Quality.:lol8:

[supergper]

Yeah, he said he ate it pretty hard. I almost felt bad for him :mrgreen:

[moab mark]

He's out of commision for a while. Luckily he didn't need surgery.

[moab mark]

So what do you think of going all the way and tossing the clutch handle and going with a left hand brake?

[supergper]

The LHB is on my short list of mods. I rarely used the clutch and now with the Dyna Ring, I never touch the clutch other than to start the bike.

[moab mark]

The day Alan at Dyna Ring sends me an email saying he's got the bugs worked out I'll be sending him some more $$$. I've got another buddy with a 450 Honda and he wants a Ring but he's been looking for someone who had one in a Honda. Sounds like yours works just like ours. He'll be happy to hear that.

[supergper]

Yep, it works great in my Honda. If he wants to ride it around, he's more than welcome to.

[moab mark]

Just got off the phone with Alan he says about a week.:clap:Let's hope.

[nelsonccc]

So hows it work? You obviously still shift the foot lever up and down but you do it without pulling the clutch lever in? So does it really make that big of an impact? I wonder how it works on a 2-stroke. We'll have to go riding together so I can try it. I'm always game to try something new.

[supergper]

So hows it work? You obviously still shift the foot lever up and down but you do it without pulling the clutch lever in? So does it really make that big of an impact? I wonder how it works on a 2-stroke. We'll have to go riding together so I can try it. I'm always game to try something new.

It works on centrifugal forces. So when you are sitting at idle, even if you are in gear, the clutch is disengaged. So you can start in third gear if you want without even touching your clutch. It's hard to imagine the difference it makes, like I said above, I was pretty much sold on it, but until I rode a bike with one I just couldn't bring myself to spend the money. This allows you to ride a gear higher than you normally would making those hill climbs that you need an extra gear on, no problem. It also prevent the bike from stalling, so those tight technical section are now no longer a problem. Instead of using a flywheel weight or gearing your bike down real low so you can lug it on the technical parts, this solves all of that. So you can keep the good gearing for more top end, but still be able to ride technical without any issues at all.

[moab mark]

If you go to Revloc.com you can look at one. You still shift it normally but you never pull in the clutch. You can pull in the clutch to full speed shift it but you can shift it pretty hard without pulling in the lever. The ring basically takes the place of three plates in your clutch. It is centrifugal force driven. When the motor starts to spin up the device expands and engages the clutch. It is adjustable with the clutch linkage. It is smooth as silk. The beauty is in techincal terrain you CANNOT STALL IT. You just hold onto the bars and ride it. You can also pull taller gears due to the clutch slipping a bit in turns as well as going up hill etc. On a 450 you pretty much put the bike in 3rd gear and never shift it. The really cool part is on a normal bike when you start to lug you know how the bike starts to jerk a bit well with this there is no jerking because the ring just slips. I would imagine it would be pretty much the same on a two stroke. Alan at Revloc can tell you what bikes he has it for. It should be illegal. From what I understand from my local dealer and this may be BS but a vast majority of pro motocross teams are running something similar. Haven't you ever wonder when watching motocross on TV how some of the guys get pitched off and their bike goes over into the hay IN GEAR and they just grab their bike and hop on it and it is still running?

Edit Supergper posted while I was typing.

But if you can't tell we have both seen the light:ride:

Wait until I get a left hand rear brake in place of the clutch handle. Then I'll be in Heaven.:ride::ride::ride::ride::ride:

[supergper]

One other thing that's nice, but has no real riding benefit is it eliminates chain slap. You know when you accidentally grab a gear too high, now it's no longer a problem :mrgreen: The other thing that's nice about the Dyna Ring is you still have the full use of your clutch if you need to use it for whatever reason. You also still have compression braking and can easily adjust the clutch at the lever to bump start the bike if needed.

[Udink]

Does this work similarly to, say, a 5-speed ATV? My Honda Rancher doesn't have a clutch lever, you just let off the throttle and kick the shift lever. I'm trying to visualize if the Dyna Ring is any different from that.

[supergper]

Does this work similarly to, say, a 5-speed ATV? My Honda Rancher doesn't have a clutch lever, you just let off the throttle and kick the shift lever. I'm trying to visualize if the Dyna Ring is any different from that.

Not really, you're not just eliminating the clutch lever. Kind of like right now, with a stock clutch, you can shift without pulling the lever, same thing with this clutch. The big difference is that you can't stall the bike due to the clutch. Lug it all you want, it won't stall, it just lets the clutch slip. From what I've been told and read, it actually reduces wear on the clutch as well.

[moab mark]

Does this work similarly to, say, a 5-speed ATV? My Honda Rancher doesn't have a clutch lever, you just let off the throttle and kick the shift lever. I'm trying to visualize if the Dyna Ring is any different from that.

I think Supergpr is off on this a little. I do not think Udinks Rancher will stall? I have ridden several ATV's with auto clutches and the concept is the same. The difference is the Dyna Ring is much more precise and smoother. I do not know if it is because the tranny in a motorcycle verse ATV has closer tolerances or just the clutch system is of a higher quality. But the Dyna Ring setup shifts just like using a clutch where most ATV's you have to get completely off the gas to get it to shift.
For you motorcycle guys it is just like the auto clutch in my sons TTR 110. Just more precise.

[supergper]

I think Supergpr is off on this a little. I do not think Udinks Rancher will stall? I have ridden several ATV's with auto clutches and the concept is the same. The difference is the Dyna Ring is much more precise and smoother. I do not know if it is because the tranny in a motorcycle verse ATV has closer tolerances or just the clutch system is of a higher quality. But the Dyna Ring setup shifts just like using a clutch where most ATV's you have to get completely off the gas to get it to shift.
For you motorcycle guys it is just like the auto clutch in my sons TTR 110. Just more precise.

The only two ATVs I've rode that didn't have a clutch lever was a Foreman ES (electric Shift) and a Polaris that had two gears, forward and reverse. The closest thing to a Dyna Ring would be a snowmobile clutch. The clutches in ATVs don't slip like the Dyna Ring does. I know you won't kill an ATV, but they are either on or off.

[Udink]

I do not think Udinks Rancher will stall? I have ridden several ATV's with auto clutches and the concept is the same. The difference is the Dyna Ring is much more precise and smoother. I do not know if it is because the tranny in a motorcycle verse ATV has closer tolerances or just the clutch system is of a higher quality. But the Dyna Ring setup shifts just like using a clutch where most ATV's you have to get completely off the gas to get it to shift.
Thanks, I think that answers my question. The reason I ask is because one of these days I'm hoping to get a motorcycle just for wandering around like I currently do on my ATV, and I was curious about how most motorcycles work versus my ATV.

[fourtycal]

The LHB is on my short list of mods. I rarely used the clutch and now with the Dyna Ring, I never touch the clutch other than to start the bike.

:slobber: Man this idea has kept me awake at night :haha: I mountain bike quite a bit so when I ride my dirtbike I tend to use my front brake way too much. I am thinking the LHB on the dirtbike, set up my mountainbike with the same left/right front/back as the dirtbike. That would rule! :naughty: :mrgreen:

[moab mark]

I talked with Alan at Revloc the other day and now he is HOPEFULLy going to try and source a different LHB handle. I suggested to him to come up with one like sleds and some ATV's have with a park brake lever. He actually wet himself when it dawned on him that sleds are using hydraulics and have a park brake lever.

Revloc's setup is going to allow you to use the LHB and the foot pedal and hopefully have a park brake.

For the recreational rider like myself I struggle when standing to run the foot brake comfortably, especially in rough terrain. If you could be standing and brake on the handle bar that would be music to my ears.:clap:

[supergper]

I talked with Alan at Revloc the other day and now he is HOPEFULLy going to try and source a different LHB handle. I suggested to him to come up with one like sleds and some ATV's have with a park brake lever. He actually wet himself when it dawned on him that sleds are using hydraulics and have a park brake lever.

Revloc's setup is going to allow you to use the LHB and the foot pedal and hopefully have a park brake.

For the recreational rider like myself I struggle when standing to run the foot brake comfortably, especially in rough terrain. If you could be standing and brake on the handle bar that would be music to my ears.:clap:


That's awesome! I agree, standing in technical terrain and trying to use the brake isn't always the easiest. I end up using my front brake more than I should. Having a park brake would be killer, then I don't think there would be a single downside to the Dyne Ring.

[moab mark]

:slobber: Man this idea has kept me awake at night :haha: I mountain bike quite a bit so when I ride my dirtbike I tend to use my front brake way too much. I am thinking the LHB on the dirtbike, set up my mountainbike with the same left/right front/back as the dirtbike. That would rule! :naughty: :mrgreen:

You come ride mine and you'll be $375 poorer.:nod:

[accadacca]

Moto tards. :haha:

[fourtycal]

Moto tards. :haha:

:lol8: I checked and there is no iPhone app for that!

[nelsonccc]

That's awesome! I agree, standing in technical terrain and trying to use the brake isn't always the easiest. I end up using my front brake more than I should. Having a park brake would be killer, then I don't think there would be a single downside to the Dyne Ring.

Maybe we should set up a ride somewhere warm? We can all get together and ride. I don't see a lot of information about 2 strokes on the website. How about you guys come down to Logandale or mesquite or Coral Pink? Oohhh...think how warm it'll be.

[accadacca]

Mesquite. :nod:

[supergper]

Maybe we should set up a ride somewhere warm? We can all get together and ride. I don't see a lot of information about 2 strokes on the website. How about you guys come down to Logandale or mesquite or Coral Pink? Oohhh...think how warm it'll be.

I'm looking at making a trip sometime in January down south (was thinking St. George, but could probably be persuaded to go a little farther :mrgreen: ). Unfortunately, due to my work I can't get away until after the New Year.

[moab mark]

Maybe we should set up a ride somewhere warm? We can all get together and ride. I don't see a lot of information about 2 strokes on the website. How about you guys come down to Logandale or mesquite or Coral Pink? Oohhh...think how warm it'll be.
I haven't been to Coral Pink in a long time. I could meet there after the first part of the year.

[nelsonccc]

I haven't been to Coral Pink in a long time. I could meet there after the first part of the year.

I was thinking after the first of the year as well. Though last year at christmas time I went out to Coral with my bike to find 24"+ of snow on the ground but I'm pretty sure that was abnormal. There is a ton of riding near mesquite as well out at Coral Pink.

[moab mark]

My back brake setup is on a UPS truck.:clap:

[nelsonccc]

My back brake setup is on a UPS truck.:clap:

We're putting together a coral pink trip for the 5th of march. It would be a good chance to try out this dyna ring revolution!

[moab mark]

I would like to but I am scheduled to go sledding in Wyoming.

[moab mark]

I rode a couple of hundred miles last week with the revloc and new left hand rear brake. I think I have created the easiest motorcycle to ride on earth. My buddy who tagged along and rides a ktm 250f could not believe how forgiving my bike was in diffucult terrain. He is now going to upgrade to a 450 with a rev loc clutch and a left hand rear brake. When standing the left hand brake rules.:clap:
Those of you that are riding 450's or comparables, what kind of distance are you getting on a tank. I put on a 3.1 desert tank and hauled a 2 liter bottle and ran out at 110. Thought I would have a little farther range.:angryfire: My sons wr 250 on a stock tank and a 2 liter made it back to the truck at 113.

Mark

[moab mark]

Just spent 4 days out to Little Sahara we had a great trip but had problems with my Rev Loc as well as my buddies, they were getting hot and chattering. Mine kept working but his nuked his friction plate and put him out of buisness. Going to have to call Alan at Rev Loc tomorrow and see what he thinks but we were not happy.

[accadacca]

That's what you get for cheating. :haha:

[moab mark]

That's what you get for cheating. :haha:


:fitz:

[supergper]

Those of you that are riding 450's or comparables, what kind of distance are you getting on a tank. I put on a 3.1 desert tank and hauled a 2 liter bottle and ran out at 110. Thought I would have a little farther range.:angryfire: My sons wr 250 on a stock tank and a 2 liter made it back to the truck at 113.

Mark

The WR450 traditionally does not get very good mileage. I think you're right in the range normally seen. My CRF450X gets between 50-60 mpg. With my 3.2 gal IMS tank on, I can get ~150 miles without too much worry. I did a ride from Moab to Fruita (through the La Sals) and back to Moab (via the Kokopeli Trail) and when I filled up on the first day in Gateway (~90 miles in to the trip) it took just a little less than 1.5 gals. I saw similar mileage on the way back via the real kokopeli trail (including Rose Garden Hill, etc, nearly 100% offroad until we hit sand flats rd.)

BTW, that sucks about your clutch. I've got my D-Ring adjusted pretty tight as it is. I know these things build quite a bit more additional heat. I was talking with Russ Holbrook and he said Alan want's your entire clutch setup to see the failure (basket, ect). Let me know what Alan has to say.

[moab mark]

Two rings went out on the same weekend, Russ Tribes and mine. We were both at the dunes and didn't even know the other one was there. When we took mine apart the clutch was completely fried. The set screws that hold the rings together had come loose. Russ's not only nuked but damaged his basket. We are concerned that sand may be to much for them. We talked to Alan and he is sending us his newest version. He does not have a concern with riding them in the sand so well see. It is such a quick change w e may take them out when we head to Little Sahara. The problem for me is you have to keep your clutch handle to be able to do that and I sure love the left hand rear brake handle.
Mine is suppose to be here tomorrow. One thing I have to say for Alan he stands behind his stuff.
We were going to head back out on Thursday but winter is back so were going sledding.:clap:

I'll keep you updated

Mark

[Roostinfool]

I ride a 1999 yamaha yz250 with a dyna-ring and love it. I desert race with it and even motocross now and then and the thing works great. I have about 1000 miles on it so far and have been pretty much trouble free. I ride every week in deep heavy sand and ring it's neck real good and other than cooking the oil pretty bad a couple of times it has been flawless. I plan on racing an Endurocross series this summer.

[moab mark]

I ride a 1999 yamaha yz250 with a dyna-ring and love it. I desert race with it and even motocross now and then and the thing works great. I have about 1000 miles on it so far and have been pretty much trouble free. I ride every week in deep heavy sand and ring it's neck real good and other than cooking the oil pretty bad a couple of times it has been flawless. I plan on racing an Endurocross series this summer.

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