Gorging - New Documentary

[tmartenst]

I've got a friend who has created a documentary about the multifaceted nature of canyoneering and its proponents. The director's other work has been great so I imagine the movie will be both aesthetic and fascinating.

Summer 2011 release.

Check out the trailer here:http://www.dfsfilms.com/Gorgingmovie/#/home
Facebook page here:http://www.facebook.com/GORGINGmovie

[jman]

I first thought that was Shane in the blue hat being towed in the water....haha

Cool! Be sure to revive this thread in the summer, so I can be sure to get it...

Thanks

BTW, the "canyoneering name was too cute"? hehe. It's sure better than Kloofing....just saying.

The idea of the 4 perspectives in this release is good! It keeps things objective, which is great for understanding sides of the red tape and the sport.

MK - For publishing beta and canyons.
Dennis Turville - protect the canyons by not sharing
A guy named Steve - canyoneering is just fun. Doesn't mettle with the politics, per se.
And our beloved Rich C, - trying to legitimize the sport through the ACA.

[Iceaxe]

I like the four diverse perspectives.

And who is this Steve guy?

[p40whk]

"They coined the term Canyoneering... Which we immediately thought, was just a little too cute"

At least Canyoneering doesn't make you think of some fat chick with a plate of food in front of her! :haha:

[Iceaxe]

I'm not sure of the exact sequence of events but I believe the term gorging might have been out before canyoneering.... at least when applied to exploring slot canyons.

Turville and his cadre used the term gorging for exploring canyons back in the 70's.

River rafters used the term canyoneering from back in the 50's and 60's, but the rafters term was not for the exploration of slot canyons.

First time I heard the term canyoneering applied to the exploration of slot canyons was probably in the early 90's....

Anyhoo..... just my 2 cents and all the dates above are based on fuzzy memories some of which are over 20 years old.

[Cirrus2000]

Fun - I'll have to watch for it when it comes out.

[Iceaxe]

And who is this Steve guy?

FWIW: MK told me the fourth guy is just a SoCal hiker who was pulled in at the last minute after someone else bailed on the project.

And anther thought.... is Dennis Turville (or Steve Allen) even relevant to canyoneering anymore? I certainly don't want to subtract anything from what they did in the past, but both are now far removed from the general canyoneering community.

[hattrick]

Shane, MK is right, I am an avid outdoorsman from LA. I am a friend of the Gorging Documentary Director, Brian Olliver.

Steve


FWIW: MK told me the fourth guy is just a SoCal hiker who was pulled in at the last minute after someone else bailed on the project.

And anther thought.... is Dennis Turville (or Steve Allen) even relevant to canyoneering anymore? I certainly don't want to subtract anything from what they did in the past, but both are now far removed from the general canyoneering community.

[ratagonia]

The idea of the 4 perspectives in this release is good! It keeps things objective, which is great for understanding sides of the red tape and the sport.


Keeps things objective? Depends on the 4 perspectives viewed. Certainly likely to give the ILLUSION of covering the spectrum.

Tom

[ratagonia]

I'm not sure of the exact sequence of events but I believe the term gorging might have been out before canyoneering.... at least when applied to exploring slot canyons.

Turville and his cadre used the term gorging for exploring canyons back in the 70's.


Yes, they used the term "Gorging", then made a pact to NEVER tell anyone what they were doing, then get all grumpy when current canyoneers don't use their terms???????

Twisted.

Tom

[ratagonia]

FWIW: MK told me the fourth guy is just a SoCal hiker who was pulled in at the last minute after someone else bailed on the project.

And another thought.... is Dennis Turville (or Steve Allen) even relevant to canyoneering anymore? I certainly don't want to subtract anything from what they did in the past, but both are now far removed from the general canyoneering community.

Steve (Hattrick) is a nice guy from southern California, and, I presume, represents the modern, active, engaged, normal technical canyoneer. I like Steve because he is a regular customer, and his checks clear. And I seem to remember doing a canyon or two with him in the San Gabriels, but then again, we are talking about MY memory.

That MK would state that he is "just a SoCal Hiker..." indicates more about MK than about Steve. Then again, MK might use the term "hiker" for what the rest of us call "technical canyoneer".

Is Michael Kelsey relevant to canyoneering anymore? Yes he writes lots of guidebooks, but it is not like he goes canyoneering with anyone else (with a few exceptions) or provides anything but laughable input on technique, safety or ethics.

Tom :moses:

[Iceaxe]

Shane, MK is right, I am an avid outdoorsman from LA. I am a friend of the Gorging Documentary Director, Brian Olliver.

Welcome to Bogley. :2thumbs: Happy to have you aboard.



That MK would state that he is "just a SoCal Hiker..." indicates more about MK than about Steve. Then again, MK might use the term "hiker" for what the rest of us call "technical canyoneer".

I took "just a SoCal Hiker..." to mean he was not someone in the "industry" or "eCanyoneering famous", but instead represented the average guy.... I took nothing negative from the comment.... your mileage may vary....



Is Michael Kelsey relevant to canyoneering anymore? Yes he writes lots of guidebooks, but it is not like he goes canyoneering with anyone else (with a few exceptions) or provides anything but laughable input on technique, safety or ethics.

My personal though is MK is probably the most relevant (influential, famous, notorious?) person in canyoneering. I don't know of anyone else in the sport that has touched or influenced more people. I don't think I've ever meet a canyoneer that didn't own at least a couple of his books. Everyone else relevant in the sport spends a lot of time undoing MK's ethics. Perhaps MK is second to Aron Ralston, as Aron has now reached outside the sport. But MK still has a bigger impact within the sport (IMHO).



Yes, they used the term "Gorging", then made a pact to NEVER tell anyone what they were doing, then get all grumpy when current canyoneers don't use their terms???????

I see this several times a year..... I publish a canyoneering route and then someone is mad I didn't use their name for the route because they had been doing it for years in secert. You can be secretive, or you can have your names, routes, styles, canyons and techniques woven into the canyoneering fabric.... but you can't have both.

[jmack]

I've heard from a very reliable source that this "Steve" person is just some actor the filmmakers hired to play the role of Weekend Warrior so the audience would have someone normal to relate to. If you look closely, you can see him in the background in many movies. In fact, I just came across this production still from "Sister Act 2". Recognize anyone?

[carverbc]

T,
I do hope that YOU are not throwing me beneath the wheels with THEM/THEY! Splat! I (if I'm now on the THEM/THEY team) don't recall EVER feeling or showing my grumpy side when anyone fails to use my outdated terms or not publicized names of canyons. Are you sure that Dennis is "grumpy" for the reasons you suggest? I too, can't wait to see this. Too bad if it results in another division in the "sport"!

Oh and XOXOXOXO
J


Yes, they used the term "Gorging", then made a pact to NEVER tell anyone what they were doing, then get all grumpy when current canyoneers don't use their terms???????

Twisted.

Tom

[Jaxx]

I don't know him personally but Dennis did come off as "grumpy" in the trailer. After I watched it I thought, "That guy is mad about something"

[Sombeech]

I've heard from a very reliable source that this "Steve" person is just some actor the filmmakers hired to play the role of Weekend Warrior so the audience would have someone normal to relate to. If you look closely, you can see him in the background in many movies. In fact, I just came across this production still from "Sister Act 2". Recognize anyone?

Winner of Noob Of The Month award right there. :lol8: Real or not, welcome aboard.

[ratagonia]

T,
I do hope that YOU are not throwing me beneath the wheels with THEM/THEY! Splat! I (if I'm now on the THEM/THEY team) don't recall EVER feeling or showing my grumpy side when anyone fails to use my outdated terms or not publicized names of canyons. Are you sure that Dennis is "grumpy" for the reasons you suggest? I too, can't wait to see this. Too bad if it results in another division in the "sport"!

Oh and XOXOXOXO
J

Welllllll, I'm not sure anyone would put you in the "Grumpy Ol' Men" group. Me, I'm the fella that would do the diving roll and snatch in front of the bus to save you at the very last moment...

Then again, them Vancouver buses probably stop to allow mice to scurry across pavement, so the danger of getting hit by a bus in Canuckistan are pretty small... even for non-native wood-carvers!

T

[hattrick]

Tom, we did do a couple canyons in SoCal. four or so years ago; Great Falls of the Fox and Eaton Cyn. Good Memory!


Steve (Hattrick) is a nice guy from southern California, and, I presume, represents the modern, active, engaged, normal technical canyoneer. I like Steve because he is a regular customer, and his checks clear. And I seem to remember doing a canyon or two with him in the San Gabriels, but then again, we are talking about MY memory.

Tom :moses:


That's a funny picture Jeremy! It's nice to be "Normal", although some think I'm not.


I've heard from a very reliable source that this "Steve" person is just some actor the filmmakers hired to play the role of Weekend Warrior so the audience would have someone normal to relate to. If you look closely, you can see him in the background in many movies. In fact, I just came across this production still from "Sister Act 2". Recognize anyone?

[Iceaxe]

Canyoneering, four ways
Jodi Peterson | Nov 11, 2010

Ever wondered what it's like to don harness and wetsuit and delve into one of southern Utah's deep, cold, water-filled slot canyons? A new documentary called Gorging, due out next summer from DFS Films, follows notorious guidebook author Michael Kelsey and three other canyoneers (a photographer, a guru, and a weekend warrior) into the twisting, tortuous narrows.

Through the stories of these four men, all with different approaches and philosophies, the film examines the ethical issues of the sport. It explores the conflict between those, like Kelsey, who want to share their knowledge of these secret and often delicate desert canyons, and others who think they should be protected from the public. Check out the film's entertaining trailer.

http://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/canyoneering-four-ways

[carverbc]

FWIW: MK told me the fourth guy is just a SoCal hiker who was pulled in at the last minute after someone else bailed on the project.

And anther thought.... is Dennis Turville (or Steve Allen) even relevant to canyoneering anymore? I certainly don't want to subtract anything from what they did in the past, but both are now far removed from the general canyoneering community.

Is this a question you pose? I was about to respond to the question mark at the end. BUT... Oh, I see, you don't want to subtract anything from what "they" did in the past.......BUT...(and...oh I get it..'not a question after all, rather your answer): both are now far removed from the general canyoneering community. :roll:
I love these little expression faces.

I will give you the benefit of my doubt, since I don't know you at all, and offer an answer. Oh YES they are relevant. Or does one have to be a regular forum contributor, current guide or guidebook author or show up at FreezeFest to be counted as "relevant"? What, exactly defines the "general canyon community"?
Does anybody out there in the "general canyon community" KNOW, for a fact, what either of these fellows is doing? Yes, these are meant as questions. Love to hear back. I don't mean to step on your toes, Iceaxe. Trying to figure out the dance, here.

[Iceaxe]

All fair questions.... so.... I'll make it simple and rephrase the question....

In what ways are Dennis Turville and Steve Allen relevant in todays canyoneering community?

[Brian in SLC]

Does anybody out there in the "general canyon community" KNOW, for a fact, what either of these fellows is doing?

Nope. And, that's partly the issue perhaps.

I think (don't know, just think) that Dennis is still taking photo's, selling calendars (based on seeing them). Probably still hiking (based on seeing him). Not sure if he climbs much anymore (based on not seeing at the crags for awhile). My bet is he's still in canyons (photo's would indicate that).

Steve sounds like he's still very active in promoting and supporting environmental causes related to the desert areas.

So, they still appear to be relevant, but, maybe don't make themselves available to internet trolls...(ha ha).

On another front, not sure we've met, but, my friend Patty thinks she might know you from a prior life. She climbed with Dennis and Mike "back in the day".

Cheers,

-Brian in SLC

[carverbc]

:clap: Thanks for your brave attempt to answer one of the four questions, Brian. Nice assumptions based on some sound thinking.

I know/knew many women named Patti. Do I know your friend? Have I met you? Nice to cyber meet you Bryan.

Iceaxe. I should have stood on your toes; you danced right out of that one. Smooth move. :haha:

[ratagonia]

Or does one have to be a regular forum contributor, current guide or guidebook author or show up at FreezeFest to be counted as "relevant"?

Is that a question?

In one sense, no. In another sense, yes.

If a rock falls into a canyon, and nobody hears it, does it make a noise?








:popcorn:












It's a trick question. It makes a "sound", but it does not make a "noise", since the latter is a human interpretation of some sounds.

Dennis is relevant somewhat like a tree that falls in a distant forest, which nobody hears. While he has influenced a few people who are players "in the community", he is only very tentatively connected to more than 3 or 4 people currently doing canyons. He is relevant as a historical figure, who's history is mostly lost, because he chose to not share it, only a little bit. Yes, he comes out of his cave every once in a decade or two.

Is a painter that paints very interesting pictures, but then burns them before anyone else sees them - is this painter a relevant painter? Maybe to themselves, but not to a community, by their own choice.

Tom :moses:

[Iceaxe]

Iceaxe. I should have stood on your toes; you danced right out of that one. Smooth move. :haha:

With a deft dip of the shoulders, he feinted, then moved away from the approaching attacker with the usual grace....

Actually I didn't mean to bail on you. I was just busy with other items at the time.....


Oh YES they are relevant. Or does one have to be a regular forum contributor, current guide or guidebook author or show up at FreezeFest to be counted as "relevant"?

I define relevant as providing some greater good, service or benefit to the canyoneering community.


What, exactly defines the "general canyon community"?

A loose term meaning those that interact with a broad cross section of other canyoneers. Operating and interacting outside of a small inbred cadre. That is my definition, you are free to establish your own.


Does anybody out there in the "general canyon community" KNOW, for a fact, what either of these fellows is doing?

Outside of Allen's work with SUWA I have know clue.

And in regards to SUWA being a benefit or albatross to Colorado Plateau canyoneers that is a line I find canyoneers split straight down the middle on....

[Randi]

With a deft dip of the shoulders, he feinted, then moved away from the approaching attacker with the usual grace....

Actually I didn't mean to bail on you. I was just busy with other items at the time.....



I define relevant as providing some greater good, service or benefit to the canyoneering community.



A loose term meaning those that interact with a broad cross section of other canyoneers. Operating and interacting outside of a small inbred cadre. That is my definition, you are free to establish your own.



Outside of Allen's work with SUWA I have know clue.

And in regards to SUWA being a benefit or albatross to Colorado Plateau canyoneers that is a line I find canyoneers split straight down the middle on....

Shane, I don't care what anyone else in the canyoneering community has to say about you ~ I find you eloquent and just in your responses (when you're not FA and being all macho and/or perverted and/or deleting relevant posts on a personal whim). I have never had any other sense than that you're one of the good guys!

Misguided (read ego-driven) on occasion, but still inherently good. No matter how many folks tell me different. Until further notice (or further realization on my part) this is how I feel about you.

That's all folks...carry on......

[Iceaxe]

[FONT=Verdana]Shane, I don't care what anyone else in the canyoneering community has to say about you

You mean someone said something bad about me?!?! :eek2:

Hey.... as long as they are talking about me, good or bad, my ego is happy.... its the day they stop mentioning my name that I'll know I'm no longer relevant to the sport. :haha:

Or as my momma always says.... ya got to break a few eggs to make an omelette....

[Cirrus2000]

its the day they stop mentioning my name that I'll know I'm no longer relevant to the sport. :haha:

Well, Allen and Turville are still getting mentioned... Therefore... Q.E.D. :nod:

:haha:

[Iceaxe]

Well, Allen and Turville are still getting mentioned... Therefore... Q.E.D. :nod:

:haha:

I was thinking about that.... canyoneers still talk about Allen when sitting around the campfire.... but rarely do you hear Turville's name mentioned, and when it is mentioned its usually to do with a historical fact and nothing to do with canyoneering in the here and now....

So using that as a measurement I'd say Allen is still relevant but Turville not so much....

My 2 cents... you mileage may vary....

[carverbc]

I was thinking about that.... canyoneers still talk about Allen when sitting around the campfire.... but rarely do you hear Turville's name mentioned, and when it is mentioned its usually to do with a historical fact and nothing to do with canyoneering in the here and now....

So using that as a measurement I'd say Allen is still relevant but Turville not so much....

My 2 cents... you mileage may vary....

:popcorn:
Now I'm feeling :oops: I can't believe I'm back and WE are STILL talking about this! Now the discussion is a comparative between which is MORE relevant? Really? We're going there? Let me add my mileage onto to it, then.

I'm sitting around a campfire (wood stove in rainy BC counts right?). Steve Allen? Can't say; haven't met him. I would very much like to. I hear wonderful things about him. Never around a campfire though. Still, I mentioned him in a relevant way so a point to Steve's tally.

::lobby:

Dennis Turville? This counts now. Put it on the D.T. side of the relevant scale.
Dennis Turville, IMHO, takes great photos and has produced some awesome posters. He (and misc. accomplices) discovered some amazing canyons/gorges that are currently some of the most talked and photographed in Utah. For his own reason, he did not post beta or TR about them. In fact, it is assumed, that he chose not to speak of them. Now, for HIS personal reason(s) he speaks out in a trailer of an upcoming documentay. Lots of talk about that but I can't add up all those points. They should count though, right? Anybody see his historical perspective posted on Stefan's Canyon Tale's site? (I'm not savvy enough to post link. You can find it.) That should score some Relevancy points. I'm sure it was talked about around the campfire by some, if not many. I just did, so score one for D.T. What else? No assumptions, my rules. Delete the last point, playing by my rules. Fire burning to coals here. Let me add more fuel in closing.

Dennis Turville. Dennis Turville. Dennis Turville. Dennis Turville is. Dennis is. Turville is. D.T. is. Not a poster, blogger, is seldom seen, rarely heard from here and there, is mysterious, was incredible passionate about....., may be angry about...., is featured in an upcoming documentary that may/may not be controversial. Dennis Turville. Dennis Turville. Oh, and Dennis Turville. My my rules most of these score points of relevancy.

Surely we can put this petty discussion to rest now? Dennis Turville MUST be relevant or that tree that fell in the forest is just like you and I. YMMV.

[trackrunner]

Anybody see his historical perspective posted on Stefan's Canyon Tale's site? (I'm not savvy enough to post link. You can find it.)

this one? (http://www.math.utah.edu/~sfolias/canyontales/tale/?i=turville)

[carverbc]

this one? (http://www.math.utah.edu/~sfolias/canyontales/tale/?i=turville)
:nod: Yes. How'd you do that Trackrunner? Cool.

I'm here again (and a hypocrite therefore). Why am I back? My Gramma, just rolled over in her grave (bless her heart) as I pressed SUBMIT REPLY on my above post. I too, was a school teacher so I have to make corrections on myself and :oops:

-Documentary (not documentay)
-By my rules (not My my rules)
-He was/is incredibly passionate (not was incredible. Although he may be that as well.)
-This one made her teeth rattle: you and ME (not you and I)

Thanks everybody for not jumping all over me about the lame tree analogy. That was for Tom's sake. :wink:

[mfshop]

I know this is an old thread... but did anyone actually get to see this movie? Comments, review?

Anybody know where I can check it out?

[CarpeyBiggs]

it's still not released. last i heard will be this winter, but not sure there is a definite date yet...

[Iceaxe]

FWIW: The original Gorging - The Movie website is gone. but I found the trailer on YouTube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bet39Qb1r1E

[mfshop]

it's still not released. last i heard will be this winter, but not sure there is a definite date yet...

Oops, my bad. For some reason, I thought this already 'premiered' at the zion film festival in september. At least I didn't miss anything yet:lol8:. Thanks for the info.

[CarpeyBiggs]

Oops, my bad. For some reason, I thought this already 'premiered' at the zion film festival in september. At least I didn't miss anything yet:lol8:. Thanks for the info.
yeah, i think some folks were hoping it would, and advertised it that way. sounds like brian has been doing a lot more filming just recently though. i think the wait will be worth it, looks like it will be pretty damn good, from all i can gather. my guess is it will premier at some sort of winter adventure festival, but that's just my uneducated guess... :2thumbs:

[Skylinerider]

He was filming at the ACA rendezvous in September. I got mic'd up for my presentation, but doubt I'll make it into the final cut, I'm not interesting at all.

[CarpeyBiggs]

this was just posted on the facebook page - http://www.gorgingmovie.com/

http://www.facebook.com/GORGINGmovie

[The Good Cop]

Work being done on it, very cool stuff recorded (though what makes the final cut is unknown) and very well worth seeing whenever it is completed. I do not know Brian, I merely had the good fortune to share a few canyons & some conversation with a guy who does and shared that info with me, roughly mid-September 2011. I'm eagerly looking forward to it!

Cheers,

Wayne

[dfsfilm]

Hey guys. My name is Brian – I’m the producer of ‘Gorging.’ I wanted to thank you for your interest in the film project.

I was going to mention that we recently moved our website – but seems someone has already found it. As mentioned, the new site will be GorgingMovie.com. And of course, we’ll be updating the facebook page regularly with photos, news and other stuff. For now the webpage is the same as before, and features the original teaser, but we’ll post a new one soon.

As you can tell, the project is running behind schedule. The trailer still advertises a ‘summer 2011’ release, which needs an update soon. We’ve been shooting all summer, accumulating some really great footage with Kelsey, Rich, Dennis and Steve. Having just returned home from a recent trip to Cedar City, I’m hoping to phase out filming for a while so we can begin editing. No doubt there will be more to film, but until then we’ll spend the next few months in the edit room. I’m not sure when this film will be finished – I’m reluctant to make another guestimate – but I’ll know more soon.

If anyone is interested - and with permission from the Bogley managers - I’d like to check in here again to provide updates and keep an open line of communication with some of you. Working on this film has been a total adventure and has already surpassed my expectations. I’ll be very excited to share it when it’s complete.

Thanks again.

Btw – Skylinerider – I thought your Zion presentation was excellent. You are definitely not ‘uninteresting.’

[jman]

Hey guys. My name is Brian – I’m the producer of ‘Gorging.’ I wanted to thank you for your interest in the film project.

I was going to mention that we recently moved our website – but seems someone has already found it. As mentioned, the new site will be GorgingMovie.com. And of course, we’ll be updating the facebook page regularly with photos, news and other stuff. For now the webpage is the same as before, and features the original teaser, but we’ll post a new one soon.

As you can tell, the project is running behind schedule. The trailer still advertises a ‘summer 2011’ release, which needs an update soon. We’ve been shooting all summer, accumulating some really great footage with Kelsey, Rich, Dennis and Steve. Having just returned home from a recent trip to Cedar City, I’m hoping to phase out filming for a while so we can begin editing. No doubt there will be more to film, but until then we’ll spend the next few months in the edit room. I’m not sure when this film will be finished – I’m reluctant to make another guestimate – but I’ll know more soon.

If anyone is interested - and with permission from the Bogley managers - I’d like to check in here again to provide updates and keep an open line of communication with some of you. Working on this film has been a total adventure and has already surpassed my expectations. I’ll be very excited to share it when it’s complete.

Thanks again.

Btw – Skylinerider – I thought your Zion presentation was excellent. You are definitely not ‘uninteresting.’

Great, thanks for the update! Looking forward to its release.

[ratagonia]

Hi Brian - good to hear from you here. Looking forward to the film. If we can support you in anyway, let us know.

Tom :moses:

[Iceaxe]

Hi Brian - good to hear from you here. Looking forward to the film. If we can support you in anyway, let us know.

x2

:2thumbs:

[Skylinerider]

Thanks Brian, I'm gonna tell my wife that:mrgreen:. She always zones out when I start talking land use ethics.

[rcwild]

http://vimeo.com/50654250

[Iceaxe]

:popcorn: Looks like it will be an interesting film.

I recognized The Black Hole of White Canyon, anyone else recognize any of the canyons?

[jman]

:popcorn: Looks like it will be an interesting film.

I recognized The Black Hole of White Canyon, anyone else recognize any of the canyons?

Little Sanita in Cali

[Sandstone Addiction]

[QUOTE][COLOR=#333333][FONT=lucida grande]BIG NEWS

[dfsfilm]

Dave C – thanks for finding our premiere info…

For those who didn’t find us on facebook, the world premiere of ‘Gorging’ is happening in SLC at Brewviews Cinema, on Thursday, June 27th.

For more info – and tickets – please go to our website - http://gorgingmovie.com/screenings/

The folks who were in the film (the heroes) as well as the filmmakers will be in attendance with a Q&A following the film.

Also, there’s a chance to win gear from Petzl and Imlay Canyon Gear during a raffle at the end of the night.
Hope some of you can make it out the event.

Brian O

[tmartenst]

I'm there. Glad to see all your work come to completion.