North Wash?

[moab mark]

Wanted to go to Zion but the road mess is ********. So have now decided on the North Wash unless some other idea comes along.
I have done

East Lep
Up East Down West Blarney
Morroco
Slidenade
Arscenic


So you North Wash experts what do you suggest next? Or should we try some other area? I'll pass on Eardley, been there done that.:fitz::fitz: Not looking for any extremely skinny stuff. Went up Middle a long ways one time and would not want to come down it.

Thanks

Mark
So where now?

[CarpeyBiggs]

when?

[moab mark]

This weekend or next?

[Canyonbug]

Boss Hog is nice, but still a little skinny. Comparable to Leprechaun

Maidenwaters are real nice, and probably have some water after the Monsoonal rains we have had.

Other favorites are Adobe Swale and Monkey Business.

[moab mark]

Boss Hog is nice, but still a little skinny. Comparable to Leprechaun
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East or Middle?

[Scott P]

September is still pretty hot for North Wash. Personally I would say go elsewhere until it cools off more.

White Canyon (i.e. Cheesebox, Short, Long, Gravel or Fry Canyons) or Capitol Reef (i.e. Burro, Cottonwood or Fivemile) is typically more pleasant. Some of the Swell stuff is pretty good this time of year. Music and The Chute make a pretty good combination this time of year.

[moab mark]

I was concerned it might be a little hot. I have not done anything around capital reef and I am going with 3 teenage girls and 2 dads. They have all done some canyoneering but I try not to hit an area I have never been to without more skill along. My wife has a rule. You can take my kids anywhere you want just make sure you have already been. So I was planning on doing a couple of the N Wash ones I had done and maybe add another new one. But if Cap Reef etc is pretty straight forward I would go for it. What my wife doesn't know never hurt her. So if not the wash what canyons do you guys suggest? Also would have to round up wetsuits for all of them but my daughter and I if needed. But I could probably find some.

[Scott P]

But if Cap Reef etc is pretty straight forward I would go for it. What my wife doesn't know never hurt her. So if not the wash what canyons do you guys suggest?


Burro, Cottonwood and Fivemile are fairly straight foreward. The White Canyon stuff is probably easier though. Cheesebox or Fry would be a pretty good one for realitive beginners. Parts of Gravel too.

PS, I don't know current road conditions in any of the above areas since I haven't been in recent months.

[moab mark]

Didn't I read something about a Log Jam problem in the Black Hole? We could head over there. If we do that what other canyon other then black hole do you suggest? Cheese Box?

Posted before I saw your above post.

Thanks

[jman]

Mark....ever swam through Black Hole? That's "close" to North Wash and it's a very wet and fun day adventure.

Your teenage girls would probably like but might complain with it being cold, not to mention the recent report of all the logs in there (good challenge!)

[moab mark]

Never done the Black Hole, have always wanted to. These girls are very active and could handle whatever was thrown at them might have to change the plans a little. Maybe North Wash one day Black hole one day. Thought I heard somewhere Ram and them are doing the Black hole Sunday? Might learn something from them about the logs.

Mark

[Scott P]

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[moab mark]

Scott
There is something over on Yahoo about a new massive log problem.

[jman]

I'm sure everyone in your group could do it...just the logsoup would make things interesting and potentially scary if everyone is all noobs.

You could try Monoxide (short, one rappel, good amount of downclimbing and obstacles). But do West fork. East fork is okay, but West fork has more bang per buck. Easy.

If you decide to go to Capitol Reef - Cottonwood Wash is a nice technical canyon. Everyone in your group should be able to handle that one nicely too.

Edit: I'll second what Scott said, Gravel and Fry are good beginner choices too.

[Scott P]

Scott
There is something over on Yahoo about a new massive log problem.


Sorry, I didn't know about that one. Disregard my previous post.

[ratagonia]

September is still pretty hot for North Wash. Personally I would say go elsewhere until it cools off more.

White Canyon (i.e. Cheesebox, Short, Long, Gravel or Fry Canyons) or Capitol Reef (i.e. Burro, Cottonwood or Fivemile) is typically more pleasant. Some of the Swell stuff is pretty good this time of year. Music and The Chute make a pretty good combination this time of year.

It has cooled off.

Tom

[Scott P]

It has cooled off.

Cooled off to 92-94 degrees:


http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Hite&state=UT&site=SLC&textField1=37.9&textField2=-110.39&e=0

IMHO, pretty hot for physical canyons (if dry with no swimming). Of course those who like the heat may disagree.

[Iceaxe]

I'd suggest Arscenic and Slideanide as the next slots on your list. They are good canyons and will work in nicely with your current progression of canyons.

[Iceaxe]

Didn't I read something about a Log Jam problem in the Black Hole?

Black Hole Logjam Info (http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?40582)

[moab mark]

I've done Arscenic and Slidenaide need new ones. What about Constr.?

Mark

[moab mark]

Black Hole Logjam Info (http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?40582)


Those pictures do not look to fun for several high school girls and me.

[ratagonia]

I've done Arscenic and Slidenaide need new ones. What about Constr.?

Mark

Constrichnine is maybe the best of the 3. Also try the minislots. Morocco is good, Hogwarts. they got water in them now, should be really fun. You done both side branches of Leprechaun - you done the center???

Tom :moses:

[moab mark]

Have only done East Lep. Went up middle at the intersection for quite a ways. Not interested in going down middle to skinny. Haven't done west. Have done Morroco, that was fun. I have done Arscenic and Slideanide several times with Scouts. Nice 2 canyon loop. Maybe need to try Constrichnine. My daughter and her friends have not done any of the North Wash stuff. So it will be all new to them. Not real excited to hike out of there twice if it's 90.
It looks like we will be going down early Sat morning and coming home on Sunday night. One of the girls has to play cheerleader and cannot get out of it.

If I think it is to hot may go do Pleaides and hang in Moab. None of them have done it. Basically have no set plan. Would like to stay close to asphalt just do to the amount of time we have.
I wouldn't mind trying the Cap Reef stuff but do not want to have to deal with the shuttle headaches.

What about foolin around?
Mark

[Iceaxe]

I've done Arscenic and Slidenaide need new ones. What about Constr.?


I don't care for Constrychnine, its one big rappel and a short section of slot. It's the ugly step child when compared to its two sisters in challenge and beauty.

[CarpeyBiggs]

i would recommend monkey business before fooling around.

[Ryebrye]

i would recommend monkey business before fooling around.

Throw dinner and a movie before that, and I'd concur.

[Iceaxe]

I wouldn't mind trying the Cap Reef stuff but do not want to have to deal with the shuttle headaches.


Everyone bitches about the Capitol Reef shuttles but they are not bad.... they are no worse then Orderville or Mystery in Zion, and the shuttle is easier then cleaning up the Lava Point shuttle.

I'd suggest Burro Wash as the must do Capitol Reef slot, I've done that one 5 or 6 times and its the best of the bunch IMHO...

I really like Capitol Reef and consider it the hidden gem of the Utah NP's.

[Ryebrye]

Everyone bitches about the Capitol Reef shuttles but they are not bad.... they are no worse then Orderville or Mystery in Zion, and the shuttle is easier then cleaning up the Lava Point shuttle.

I'd suggest Burro Wash as the must do Capitol Reef slot, I've done that one 5 or 6 times and its the best of the bunch IMHO...

I really like Capitol Reef and consider it the hidden gem of the Utah NP's.

You can get all the free billiard-sized apples you want for free (or whatever orchard they have opened the day you are there) if you go this time of year. Free Fruit = good. If you haven't got an interagency pass, it's only $5 to get in? Best bargain in the parks system.

[Canyonbug]

East or Middle?

East!
I have only done Boss Hog once and that was enough for me to check it off the list. We did it round trip from the bottom and it was a long hike to get up to the rim and to the canyon. You can do it with a car shuttle that is supposed to be less work.

[Canyonbug]

i would recommend monkey business before fooling around.

X2!!

[Iceaxe]

Boss Hogg - no way in hell I'd take a group of fun loving newbie type HS girls into Boss Hogg.... that canyon contains one short section of high stemming where a slip or fall would be disastrous.

A couple of other canyons that you might want to consider.... Baptist Draw, Knotted Rope and Quandary. All three are fun and pretty easy with competent leadership. I took my family through Quandary and Knotted Rope when the kids were 6 and 8 and they still talk about that trip.

Undercover and Winter Camp in Moab are good (and dry) if you still haven't done them yet.

[moab mark]

The girls have voted for Moab. Going to hit Pleaides one day and then who knows what else. They want to do some jeeping also.

North Wash in October.:clap:

[Iceaxe]

The girls have voted for Moab.

Hotel, pool, nice resturants, flush toliets, hot showers.... got it :nod:

[moab mark]

Sucks to not be in charge.:angryfire: I was not even going to make them tent it. I was taking my Toy Hauler Trailer but I lost.:angryfire: