BYU Football 2010 [Archive] - Bogley Outdoor Community

Iceaxe

08-28-2010, 09:09 AM

I'm not a fan of two QB's.....

That never works except perhaps in special situations (Tebow his first year and Asiata/Louks at Utah) when teams know you are going to run.

My take is Neilson is currently the better QB but the coug's are afraid Heaps will bolt for anther team if they don't play him... thoughts? Does anyone other then Bronco think this will work?

Washington in 7 days.... Steve Sarkisian is doing a great job of leading the Huskies out of Purgatory. You know that whooping BYU would have to be special to him.

CarpeyBiggs

08-28-2010, 10:29 AM

you are right, 2 qbs never works. and it won't for byu. nelson isn't that good.

however, heaps is going to be the much better quarterback. but he's never played a big game. coach has limited options. he's gonna ease heaps into the big scenarios, see how he does, and keep adjusting his philosophy.

i'd give him a few games, then there will be a true quarterback. this is the problem with having a great freshman qb, who has zero experience. you don't really know how they will perform. nelson is a known quantity, and he can handle the big game. so the only option is to start him, until heaps is also a known quantity.

sucks, and byu will lose some games because of it. but that's the nature of the beast with a young qb.

but it doesn't suck nearly as bad as their affiliation with the mwc. :angryfire:

Rau_Dawg33

08-28-2010, 10:58 AM

but it doesn't suck nearly as bad as their affiliation with the mwc. :angryfire:
X2

Personally, I would have started Heaps. You cant blame a kid for being inexperienced. Give him a chance. I don't see the point in making him second string behind a mediocre Nelson if Heaps is just going to end up with the starting job down the road.

We'll see tho if this works.

Sept 4 cant come any sooner.

accadacca

08-29-2010, 03:33 PM

I would start Heaps. The comminity is behind him and would have been patient. They wont be patient with a 2 QB system...already been there. I pick UW this week.

Iceaxe

08-29-2010, 04:26 PM

I pick UW this week.

Tough call.... It's been over two years since UW last won a road game, but I'm a big Jake Locker fan and would like to see him do well after deciding to stay his senior year.

UW and Locker were kinda screwed out of a chance to win last time they played BYU. That was the game UW was penalized when Locker tossed the ball high in the air after a TD. At the time I thought it was a questionable call and I hated to see the game decided by an official because a player was happy he just made a great play.

My other thought is the sooner BYU gets hammered the sooner they will dump the lame two QB system. If they have some success with it they will probably drag it out a couple more games.

Scott Card

08-30-2010, 11:06 AM

That call for celebration was made by a PAC 10 official was it not? Nice... wonder if he is still working the circuit. :haha:

I think the QB thing is buying time. I have followed the camp and from what everything I heard it sounds like the two were neck and neck. Given that, I may just lean to the young gun rather than Nelson. I take Bronco at his word that no clear leader emerged. So, I'd like to see Heaps and Nelson both in at the same time to really mess with the defense's head.

Iceaxe

08-30-2010, 04:22 PM

Vegas has BYU as a 3 point favorite over UW. The over/under is 56.5.

CarpeyBiggs

08-30-2010, 04:31 PM

56.5? ha. neither team has a defense i see...

Iceaxe

09-03-2010, 09:29 AM

Alright kitty's you're up..... this should be a real dog and cat fight.... :haha:

Scott Card

09-03-2010, 09:51 AM

Alright kitty's you're up.....
It is funny you said that. I was just thinking how tough we all are in talking about our teams in the pre season and with all the conference realignment stuff going on there actually was plenty to talk about. Almost made baseball season enjoyable. :haha: Talk is now over and time to see what the team is really about. There are so many new players this year that I am really excited, at least the day before the game, to see how all this will shake out. Let's see, new and untested QB's, running backs, TE's, ILB's, D line.... etc. About the only part of the team that stays mostly intact is the O line. That is huge with a new QB. Part of me is quite nervous but I am mostly excited to see what this team is made of.

The rubber meets the road tomorrow.... I hope we fair at least as well as Utah. I expect a bunch of mistakes like in the Utah game.

Iceaxe

09-03-2010, 10:38 AM

The part that strikes me the most about this game is it consists of two similar programs.... both have won a National Championship and enjoyed great success, and both have suffered recently through some lean times.... after tomorrows game one team will feel a lot better about being back on track.....

The Crowton years.... :lol8:.... it amazes me that one guy can do so much damage to a successful program in so little time.....

Iceaxe

09-05-2010, 04:51 PM

BYU should send U-Dub's special teams a thank you card and a coupon for free ice cream....

CarpeyBiggs

09-05-2010, 09:05 PM

I think it was included in the "How to Lose Every Big Game But Still Be A Heisman Hopeful" package that was sent to Jake Locker's apartment.

accadacca

09-11-2010, 06:29 PM

Watching the BYU game on DVR. Is Riley Nelson a QB or a RB? He is sure acting like a RB. Ugly football...

CarpeyBiggs

09-11-2010, 06:33 PM

stop watching.

accadacca

09-11-2010, 08:29 PM

stop watching.

:lol8: Yep. This ain't cougar football.

Flipping between the Oregon at Tennessee game...that ones a blowout too.

Iceaxe

09-12-2010, 11:49 AM

I get the feeling that this is not going to be a great year to be a fan of the kitties.

Kent K25

09-12-2010, 06:03 PM

Yeah, that was a disaster...what's worse is that if Nelson doesn't improve and Heaps leaves on a mission...we could have more than just 1 rough year.

moab mark

09-12-2010, 06:04 PM

Should be interesting to see what they due with their QB mess next week.

accadacca

09-13-2010, 03:38 PM

Hey kittie fans. Question: We KNOW Riley Nelson is a good RB...is he a good QB?

Kent K25

09-13-2010, 09:46 PM

Hey kittie fans. Question: We KNOW Riley Nelson is a good RB...is he a good QB?

2 games in I'd say no...moving forward I hope to be able to edit that statement.

Iceaxe

09-14-2010, 08:25 AM

The question this morning on Sports Talk radio was:

"BYU fans, would you rather have Heaps and/or Nelson as your QB or would you rather have Utah's QB2 Terrence Cain?"

CarpeyBiggs

09-14-2010, 12:05 PM

heaps, after a few games... gonna take a lot of patience this year. lots of freshman playing this season.

Iceaxe

09-14-2010, 03:54 PM

I think BYU's offense can score with either of their current QB's and the media just keeps trying to create a story and make a big deal out of it....

What the media should really be pointing out and talking about is BYU's defense. That defense sucked, big time.... no speed, players out of position, players making poor reads.... Jimbo Fisher must be licking his chops about now....

accadacca

09-14-2010, 04:06 PM

heaps, after a few games... gonna take a lot of patience this year. lots of freshman playing this season.
There is no patience in Provo. :haha:

CarpeyBiggs

09-14-2010, 04:13 PM

no kidding. as if tons of BYU fans weren't already annoying, they are in complete meltdown mode now. the sky is falling! fire bronco! start heaps!

but, i was raised on byu football, have always love it, and naturally hated utah. after going to byu, i learned to hate the institution. then, i learned i hated a lot of the fans at BYU. and now i find myself starting to hate watching the team too. i thought it would never come to this...

i love byu football. i just hate all the other stuff around it. more and more i think i am realizing what the team is all about. and it isn't always about winning. makes it hard to cheer for 'em anymore.

accadacca

09-14-2010, 04:17 PM

I feel the same way. I like the team (except a few players every now and then) and I cant STAND the delusional fans. Utah fans might be drunks, but I would say they ARE realistic when sober. :lol8:

accadacca

09-16-2010, 11:01 AM

Interesting lunch time read. :popcorn:

Monson: Bronco’s biggest blunder: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/50282088-88/quarterback-mendenhall-byu-coach.html.csp

Iceaxe

09-16-2010, 01:43 PM

Interesting lunch time read. :popcorn:

Monson: Bronco’s biggest blunder: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/50282088-88/quarterback-mendenhall-byu-coach.html.csp

Gordon Monson is the biggest douche in Utah sports.... he is the candyass kid that was always picked last in gym so now he writes about it like he is some type of authority.... I could make a descent living just betting against everything he states as fact.

accadacca

09-16-2010, 07:50 PM

Sure. Just remember that Gordon is paid to give his opinion and get under your skin. Which he does very well. He gets high ratings on the radio and his sports columns are among the highest read in the market. Like him or not, he's damn good at his job.

accadacca

09-19-2010, 03:14 PM

Ouch. :oops:

Iceaxe

09-20-2010, 04:57 PM

I just got home from the Reno Air Races... Friday night we watched the Wolf Pack chew Cal up and spit them out..... BYU is in big trouble this week.... the Wolf Pack is a damn good team.... and they run the pistol offense which I love (old school single wing but they stack the QB and RB instead of placing them side-by-side).

At first I wasn't a big fan of the Wolf Pack joining the MWC. But after spending time in Reno and watching one of their games I'm all for it. It's a great program and the city of Reno loves and supports the Pack. That stadium was sold out and rocking! Half the city of Reno was wearing Wolf Pack gear Friday.

accadacca

09-20-2010, 07:05 PM

Nevada is averaging 50 a game and BYU is averaging 15. Just sayin'...

Scott Card

09-21-2010, 02:36 PM

Quarterback dilemma solved. Apparently Riley Nelson has to have shoulder surgery and will be out for the season. I wondered how long he would last getting pummeled like he has been. It is Jake Heap's team now. :popcorn:

Iceaxe

09-21-2010, 02:48 PM

I wondered how long he would last getting pummeled like he has been.

And with that O-line providing such stellar protection you have to ask.... who is QB3?

Scott Card

09-22-2010, 12:53 PM

And with that O-line providing such stellar protection you have to ask.... who is QB3? Ahh, yeah. The line was supposed to be the bright spot on offense this year with the new quarterback and running backs. Hopefully, now that they are only going to be running one offense, not two, they can get the reps in to have their protection nailed down. This year's team is a work in progress. I will say that if Heaps lives up to half of the hype, he will be really, really good by the time he is a senior. The dude throws better balls than any other quarterback I have seen at BYU. I don't think the receivers are quite used to the 18 year old rocket passes yet. They seem to drop a bunch.

I just hope BYU gets the kinks worked out before the Utah game so that it is a game. But first things first. Nevada looks to be scary good. Glad I don't bet.

Iceaxe

09-22-2010, 03:56 PM

This year's team is a work in progress.

Welll you can always look on the bright side.... they have an awesome punt team. :2thumbs: :haha:

Nevada looks to be scary good. Glad I don't bet.

I bet.... and I put money on Nevada.... :fitz:

But if I were a BYU fan I'd take some comfort in knowing the Wolf Pack has always had trouble on the road.... they have never been a good road team. Nevada fans are hoping this is a break out game for road trips.

Scott Card

09-23-2010, 09:35 AM

I bet.... and I put money on Nevada.... :fitz:

But for me to make that bet would be un-cougar.
:nono::haha:

Iceaxe

09-23-2010, 12:38 PM

But for me to make that bet would be un-cougar.
:nono::haha:

I know what you mean.... I never bet against teams I want to cheer for, it ruins all the fun of cheering...

It was fun being around the NV fans last week.... this is a huge game to them. Their thought is a win on the road at BYU validates they have arrived at the next level. That would mean they beat a ranked Cal team at home followed up the next week with a big win on the road against a traditional power.....

Kent K25

09-23-2010, 02:24 PM

I know what you mean.... I never bet against teams I want to cheer for, it ruins all the fun of cheering...

It was fun being around the NV fans last week.... this is a huge game to them. Their thought is a win on the road at BYU validates they have arrived at the next level. That would mean they beat a ranked Cal team at home followed up the next week with a big win on the road against a traditional power.....

Traditional power doesn't mean much when you're not a Current power :)

Iceaxe

09-23-2010, 04:09 PM

Traditional power doesn't mean much when you're not a Current power :)

Nevada fans know the kitties are having a down year.... but winning in Provo would still be a major victory for them. To the NV fans this is the same as BYU or Utah knocking off Notre Dame in South Bend. It would be a sweet victory...

accadacca

09-27-2010, 11:33 AM

37807

accadacca

09-27-2010, 12:09 PM

Nevada is averaging 50 a game and BYU is averaging 15. Just sayin'...
Now they are averaging 13. How many will they score against USU?

Predictions? USU got WORKED by SDSU. Ouch.

Iceaxe

09-27-2010, 12:29 PM

USU is plagued with injuries.... BYU should be able to just out muscle the Aggies....

trackrunner

09-30-2010, 11:08 PM

so no jokes about the BYU/USU game on friday with other high school games?

Iceaxe

10-02-2010, 10:14 AM

After the USU beat down I suggest the kitties get a new logo....

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Ur_IaBGHZoTs1M:http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/30/622/full/xdz9rzklowvctadrt4gul19wr.gif

accadacca

10-02-2010, 11:22 AM

USU is plagued with injuries.... BYU should be able to just out muscle the Aggies....
"Should" is the keyword here. :haha: USU had 11 starters injured including their star running back and they rushed for 242.

Btw...BYU's next opponent SDSU beat USU 41-7.

Favorite quote: "Dear BYU: We've changed our minds. Sincerely, ESPN.". Front page article on ESPN: http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/gamecast?gameId=302740328

trackrunner

10-02-2010, 02:20 PM

BYU fires defensive coordinator

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=272&sid=12667809

so what about the offense?

accadacca

10-02-2010, 03:58 PM

I think the offense has the bigger problems...

Pelon1

10-02-2010, 06:59 PM

I think the offense has the bigger problems...

Yea but their coach isn't black!!

Kent K25

10-02-2010, 08:07 PM

I think the offense has the bigger problems...

No way...the defense looks SO much worse....other than the WR's that is...

But then again, what are we disputing here....what's the real difference when comparing bad to terrible to pitiful to horrid, etc?

trackrunner

10-03-2010, 07:42 AM

I think the offense has the bigger problems...

maybe it's because Bronco knows how to coach defense. I doubt he has a replacement for offense unless Robbie Bosco come on temporary.

trackrunner

10-03-2010, 07:44 AM

http://www.bogley.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=37807&d=1285612399

post of the thread? post of the season?

Iceaxe

10-03-2010, 02:55 PM

Looks like BYU is taking this Notre Dame of the west thing to a whole new level.... :lol8:

DiscGo

10-03-2010, 04:36 PM

Looks like BYU is taking this Notre Dame of the west thing to a whole new level.... :lol8:

:lol8:

accadacca

10-04-2010, 11:33 AM

Trouble in "Cougar Town" :lol8:

neilether

10-04-2010, 01:48 PM

This one has been a long time coming for those of us Logan-ites!! Basketball has been great lately, but the poor football team has been horrendous......Sadly, I didn't bother going to the game figuring it would be another USU display of ineptitude. Oops.

accadacca

10-04-2010, 03:10 PM

SDSU (3-1) vs. BYU (1-4) predictions? :popcorn:

Remember, SDSU beat USU 41-7 and the BYU just lost to USU 31-16 with 6 of those points being scored in the last minute.

accadacca

10-07-2010, 07:33 AM

No predictions?

Here's an interesting link:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1007-college-bottom-ten-20101007,0,5441794.story

Kent K25

10-07-2010, 01:08 PM

Leaving because the competition is too stiff.....low blow, but funny. They've only lost to 1 MWC team this year...sure they've only played one....but still :)

Iceaxe

10-07-2010, 02:35 PM

Here's my prediction - BYU Football is heading for a very long spell as a bottom feeder.

Two of the main ingredients for being a good football team are Good Coaches and Good Players.... and BYU doesn't have the players in the system.

When a new coach takes over a program it takes him 4 years to get "his guys" completely into the system.... except with BYU it takes 6 years for a new coach to get "his guys" completely into the system because of missions. This is the first year that BYU is completely Bronco's recruits... and you could see this coming for the past two years.... their is no speed on the team. All the speed on the team for the past couple of years were Crowton's guys.... Crowton might not have been a good head coach but he knew about recruiting speed.

Bronco is a major character guy.... you know the deal... "character guy" is not the best athlete but he works harder then everyone else to earn a starting spot, has good values, gets good grades. Some football coaches call them overachievers. I'm a big believe in having a nice mix of "character guy" on any team, it makes the entire team work harder and bond. But the down side of having an entire team made up of "character guy" is that no matter how much you train or how hard you work.... you can not learn speed.

For the next few years BYU will beat up on what's left of the WAC, which isn't much when Utah State is starting to look like your new flagship.... and they will lose to good teams.... probably continue to earn a berth in the "No One Cares Bowl" with a record over 50% because of the crappy WAC teams they will be playing and because Bronco is a good coach (but poor recruiter).

I don't see this as a great time to be a BYU fan.

Scott Card

10-07-2010, 08:21 PM

BYU is a crappy team right now but they are MY crappy team. just so we are clear......

I don't know if I would go quite as far as you are suggesting Ice but I would not expect another 10 win season until Heaps is a junior. Just sayin' and seein' through my cougar goggles. :haha:

Iceaxe

10-07-2010, 09:07 PM

You just keep drinking that blue kool-aid. :lol8:

38157

accadacca

10-08-2010, 08:04 AM

SDSU's bread and butter is their running game. BYU has been pathetic against the run and is allowing 259 yards rushing per game.

SDSU is averaging 39 points a game with BYU averaging 15.

If the kitties don't wake up tomorrow, it could get ugly. When your not sure if you can beat SDSU at home...well that's a sad state of affairs.

SDSU is favored by 5.

Scott Card

10-08-2010, 10:27 AM

You just keep drinking that blue kool-aid. :lol8:

38157 Koolaid??? Come on. We are better than that. I believe the proper beverage here in Cougarville is BYU Sparkle aka BYU champagne as it is known on "the streets". Makes us feel a bit naughty just to say it -- BYU Champagne...:crazy::lol8:

Iceaxe

10-08-2010, 11:14 AM

THE BAD
SDSU has a good team this year.

SDSU has had two weeks to prepare for the Cougars.

Rocky Long is SDSU's defensive coordinator and runs a 3-3-5 defense that he pioneered and this will be Jake's first time playing against the 3-3-5. Rocky will be throwing everything in the book at the young QB.

BYU's pass protection sucks.

BYU's receivers are slow and so far have something like 20 dropped passes this year. Talk about bricks for hands.

BYU's corners couldn't play press coverage against my grandmother, the base BYU defense is now 15-yard cushions.

THE GOOD
The Cougars are at home, at altitude, where they usually play well.

I think I'll put my money on SDSU

38166

accadacca

10-18-2010, 04:10 PM

Ugly: ‎13 yards of total offense in the first half? Ouch.

Bright spot: The defense seems to be getting better.

Next game: BYU is averaging 14 and WYO 10. They should get the W, but I might rather wash my hair...

IMO, TCU is beatable at Rice Eccles... :popcorn:

Iceaxe

10-19-2010, 01:38 PM

Today's BYU question.... what would the Cougar's record be if they had of played Utah's schedule to date?

I'm guessing 4-2...... with losses to Pitt and Iowa State (BYU sucks on the road).

Rau_Dawg33

10-19-2010, 04:01 PM

Today's BYU question.... what would the Cougar's record be if they had of played Utah's schedule to date?

I'm guessing 4-2...... with losses to Pitt and Iowa State (BYU sucks on the road).

I'd say 5-1.

They beat Wash on the road. IMO, a better team then Pitt.

Utah's Strength of Schedule is 110/120... where BYUs is 20. Should be interesting to see Utah play some real football teams in a few weeks.

accadacca

10-19-2010, 04:06 PM

I am not so sure. They have been averaging in the low teens all year. Utah has played some dogs, but BYU got pummeled by Utah State, Nevada and beat SDSU by 3 at home. This Wyoming game will be interesting... :popcorn:

Kent K25

10-19-2010, 08:34 PM

They beat Wash on the road. IMO, a better team then Pitt.
.

The Washington game was in Provo...

Rau_Dawg33

10-19-2010, 09:02 PM

The Washington game was in Provo...
...oh yeah

Iceaxe

10-28-2010, 08:43 PM

Good News for BYU Football!!!

There is no way that the kitties can lose this weekend........

:haha:

Scott Card

10-29-2010, 02:09 PM

Dang it Ice. You just hexed the whole thing. By saying we can't lose someone will get probably get injured in practice tomorrow...... in other words, the way things are going this year they could lose even without playing.

Iceaxe

11-02-2010, 02:29 PM

Wrubell tweets that Bronco wants to continue with "natural MWC rivalries"

Seriously..... the PR genius at BYU never stop.....

Now they want a MWC schedule that doesn't involve TCU or Boise.

How do they keep a straight face when they say this $#!+?

accadacca

11-02-2010, 06:48 PM

BYU vs. UNLV, both averaging around 2 touchdowns. Snore...

Iceaxe

12-16-2010, 04:54 PM

BYU vs. UTEP
New Mexico Bowl

Is anyone excited about this game?

UTEP (6-6) has to be the worst bowl eligible team in the country.....

Scott Card

12-16-2010, 05:05 PM

I am excited to watch another cougar football game. Based on how this season started and where they ended, I am pretty excited BYU is in a bowl, any bowl. This season could have easily ended in disaster but the cougs had a pretty good turnaround. I would say the cougars have a better chance to win than the Utes. :haha: As for the matchup, it is not a good game per se but what is really valuable is that Jake Heaps and other freshmen just had 3 extra weeks of practice. I must say I am excited for next year. I am really curious how Heaps sophomore year will go. I think the defense will be better and we get most players back on both sides of the ball.

Iceaxe

12-16-2010, 06:51 PM

I must say I am excited for next year. I am really curious how Heaps sophomore year will go.

Well I've got good news and bad news for ya....

The kitties will be 1-2 after the first three weeks.... week 4 is a toss up.... and then the kitties feast on cupcakes....

As for the extra 3 weeks of practice the bowl teams get.... that never seemed like a fair deal to me.... the good teams get 3 extra weeks of practice and the bottom feeders get to watch.... if the NCAA wants to even things up that should be reversed.

Iceaxe

12-28-2010, 07:58 PM

Rau_Dawg33

12-28-2010, 11:07 PM

IMO, TCU is beatable at Rice Eccles... :popcorn:

:haha::lol8::haha::lol8::haha::lol8:

Iceaxe

12-29-2010, 09:30 AM

Yeah... Acca was looking at that game through his crimson colored glasses... :haha:

Scott Card

12-29-2010, 09:37 AM

Just wondering what kinda zoo Bronco is running down at BYU.... I mean really.... the offensive coaches are all fired... well not really... just maybe... well some are and some aren't.... see ya, I'm off on vacation for two weeks.... we'll straighten this out when I get back...

You would think Bronco would have learned his lesson about this wishy-washy crap with the QB mess he had earlier this year....

My prediction is this will come around and bite BYU in the arse...

I am not sure what is going on either. It is a little weird. I am wondering if he is just seeing who is committed and offering an open door to those who are inclined to look elsewhere anyway. Like everything with Bronco, he holds the important cards pretty close to the vest. All the talk has come from "sources" close to the program, perhaps even some of the assistant coaches. As far as the offensive coaches go, I do think some pretty poor calls and decisions were made in the Utah game in particular as well as other games this season. Who knows... certainly not me.

Iceaxe

12-29-2010, 11:58 AM

BYU does a lousy job of keeping internal crap on the down low.... every time this type of crap goes down the source speaking out are usually correct....

The BYU to the WAC deal would have worked if the MWC hadn't of caught wind of it with enough time to act and scuttle the move.... everyone knows Anae is gone... but this is impacting the total offensive... If I were Reynolds or Domain I don't think I would be happy with the treatment.... and both the coaches would have a big impact if they depart for greener pastures and a little respect.