A Frozen Great Britain

[Sombeech]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47061000/jpg/_47061196_greatbritainjpg.jpg

[Rob L]

...and spectacular it is, especially from the viewpoint of my favourite mount.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/868mick/Dscf0389reduced.jpg

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/868mick/Dscf0404reduced.jpg

[accadacca]

:popcorn:

Could we be in for 30 years of global COOLING?



Britain's big freeze is the start of a worldwide trend towards colder weather that seriously challenges global warming theories, eminent scientists claimed yesterday.

The world has entered a 'cold mode' which is likely to bring a global dip in temperatures which will last for 20 to 30 years, they say.

Summers and winters will all be cooler than in recent years, and the changes will mean that global warming will be 'paused' or even reversed, it was claimed.

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The predictions are based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

They are the work of respected climate scientists and not those routinely dismissed by environmentalists as 'global warming deniers'.

Some experts believe these cycles - and not human pollution - can explain all the major changes in world temperatures in the 20th century.

If true, the research challenges the science behind climate change theories, and calls into question the political measures to halt global warming.

According to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, the warming of the Earth since 1900 is due to natural oceanic cycles, and not man-made greenhouse gases.

It occurred because the world was in a 'warm mode', and would have happened regardless of mankind's rising carbon dioxide production.

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And now oceanic cycles have switched to a 'cold mode', where data shows that the amount of Arctic summer sea ice has increased by more than a quarter since 2007.

The research has been carried out by eminent climate scientists, including Professor Mojib Latif. He is a leading member of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

He and his colleagues predicted the cooling trend in a 2008 paper, and warned of it again at an IPCC conference in Geneva in September.

Working at the prestigious Leibniz Institute in Kiel University in Germany, he has developed methods for measuring ocean temperatures 3,000ft under the surface, where the cooling and warming cycles start.

For Europe, the crucial factor is the temperature in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean. He said such ocean cycles - known as multi-decadal oscillations or MDOs - could account for up to half of the rise in global warming in recent years.

Professor Latif said: 'A significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th century was due to these cycles - as much as 50 per cent.

'They have now gone into reverse, so winters like this one will become much more likely. All this may well last two decades or longer.

'The extreme retreats that we have seen in glaciers and sea ice will come to a halt. For the time being, global warming has paused, and there may well be some cooling.'

Many meteorologists have blamed the current freeze on 'Arctic oscillation' - a weather pattern in which areas of high pressure have pushed the warming jetstream away from Britain. They have insisted this temporary change will have no effect on long-term warming patterns.

But another expert, Professor Anastasios Tsonis, head of the University of Wisconsin Atmospheric Sciences Group, said MDOs will continue to determine global temperatures.

He said: 'They amount to massive rearrangements in the dominant patterns of the weather, and their shifts explain all the major changes in world temperatures during the 20th and 21st centuries. We have such a change now.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242202/Could-30-years-global-COOLING.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0cKxkOnOc

[RedMan]

According to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, the warming of the Earth since 1900 is due to natural oceanic cycles, and not man-made greenhouse gases.

What heresy!! Make this person stop posting!!!

[Sombeech]

STOP THE OCEANIC CYCLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ddavis]

From another British paper (The Guardian):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/11/climate-change-global-warming-mojib-latif


A leading scientist has hit out at misleading newspaper reports that linked his research to claims that the current cold weather undermines the scientific case for manmade global warming.

Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel University in Germany, said he "cannot understand" reports that used his research to question the scientific consensus on climate change.

He told the Guardian: "It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib Latif it would be global warming."

He added: "There is no doubt within the scientific community that we are affecting the climate, that the climate is changing and responding to our emissions of greenhouse gases."

A report in the Mail on Sunday said that Latif's results "challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy's most deeply cherished beliefs" and "undermine the standard climate computer models". Monday's Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph repeated the claims.

I have the impression that all three of these are more tabloid than news, but I don't really know that much about any of them. It does make me wonder if the NSIDC really said what the Guardian claimed.

[Cirrus2000]

He told the Guardian: "It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib Latif it would be global warming."

:haha:

[ddavis]

Oops, typo.


It does make me wonder if the NSIDC really said what the Guardian claimed.

That should be Daily Mail.

[DaveOU812]

This is only making my spring fever worse.

[stefan]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/10/article-0-07D0D710000005DC-748_468x286.jpg


from nasa
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif


since it apparently doesn't really matter what the scientists think ... in the words of fox news ... YOU DECIDE

[Sombeech]

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Here's an interesting SEARCHABLE database of the hacked emails:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/







It's a good read. :haha:

[stefan]

It's a good read. :haha:

as if you've read them :roflol:

[ddavis]

It's a good read.

For some maybe. Trying to work my way through that many emails, without much in the way of context, not knowing the people who wrote them, not knowing the slang, terminology, and shortcuts, AND trying to make sense of it, sounds like a right royal pain in the ass to me. Not something I would call a riveting read.

I'm sure in the 6 or 8 weeks these have been out, the most incriminating things have already been extracted. It seems the email about 'Mike's trick' with the tree ring data upsets people the most. That happens to be something I feel able to judge, and it's not incriminating in any way.

[Cirrus2000]

An update on "climategate" from Newsweek:

Newspapers Retract 'Climategate' Claims, but Damage Still Done

A lie can get halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on, as Mark Twain (http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23633.html) said (or

[lugnutz]

was there even a spring?

[stefan]

damage is done, indeed.

straight outta the playbook of lee atwater :puke8: