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tanya
12-18-2009, 06:06 AM
Getting one of the roughly 11,500 permits granted each year to backpack overnight in the Grand Canyon has become so competitive and unfair that managers at the national park have decided to change the system.

At the moment, applicants can try their luck with mail, they can fax (hitting redial for hours) or they can line up in person on the day that permits become available. Nearly half of them are denied.

National Park Service administrators have decided that the system unduly favors nearby residents and those who have the time and resources to travel to the Grand Canyon just to get a permit.

Officials intend to remove the in-person option starting in February. Eventually the park plans to move to an online reservation system.

"We're trying to provide better equity between locals and international visitors," said Barclay Trimble, a park deputy superintendent.

Some of the 26 outfitters who take customers on backpacking trips in the canyon say the proposal will cost people their jobs. If they can't guarantee faraway customers choice destinations in advance, they'll lose business, they say.

Wayne Ranney, who guides some trips commercially and backpacks the canyon in his free time, said he thought locals should have the best chance of hiking the canyon.

"To think of somebody from Cape Town, South Africa, having just as equal a chance as someone from Arizona or the United States -- I know it sounds weird, but I don't think that's fair," he said.


From Los Angeles Times

xxnitsuaxx
12-18-2009, 07:37 AM
"To think of somebody from Cape Town, South Africa, having just as equal a chance as someone from Arizona or the United States -- I know it sounds weird, but I don't think that's fair,"


Good thought Wayne - if someone wants to spend the time and money to come here from Africa just to see the Grand Canyon, I think they should be bumped from the list so you can get the permit instead and make some money trekking a pair of morbidly obese Midwesterners with fanny packs through there. Lord knows we don't want any Africans over here - especially not from Capetown.

If that guy ever tries to come to Snowbird I'm going to tell him that Utah powder is only for people who live in Utah.

ststephen
12-20-2009, 05:59 PM
How did the in-person option work at GC NP? In Yosemite, for example, the in-person option is only available for permits for that day or the next day. Then only some percentage (maybe half?) is available that way.

I think that system works pretty well. It helps folks who are highly motivated to get out on some trail even if they didn't plan far in advance. But that system will not work for the guiding services as their clients will want to know exactly where they are going ahead of time.

Too bad for them, I say. And the whole "jobs will be lost" is such a lame attempt to for these outfitters to get sympathy.