Utah @ BYU Predictions

[accadacca]

You can never call these games. The cougars are favored to win by a touchdown and they are playing at home with a senior quarterback so they should win. The pressure is certainly on them. The Utes are in a rebuilding year and have a true freshman starting with only a few games under his belt.

However, I have to pick the Utes because that's who I root for. I think the Utah defense and especially the d-line and secondary is far superior, yet the BYU offense is much better then the U. Will Utah's secondary be able to shut down Hall and make him throw picks like last year? Will Utah be able to stop Harvey Unga? Will BYU's secondary be able to keep Jordan Wynn from throwing the deep ball to Utah's speedy receivers? Will Utah be able to stop the Hall -> Pitta hookups?

It'll be interesting. I need to think more about what the score will actually be but I am picking the Utes to pull off the upset. It should be a close game and of course turnovers will play a big roll in the outcome.

:popcorn:

[trackrunner]

Utah has surprised me this year, more so than BYU. I'd expected Utah to fair worse than they have and the Y to do better than they have. Y is a good team and at times as show potential to be a GREAT team this year.

Unless Utah doesn't make freshmen mistakes, this could be close.

Any home field advantage? I agree Utah has won what the last 7 out of 8 down south. It sure is a home field advantage. :haha:
:utes:

[Iceaxe]

Here is my prediction... and I backed it up with actual coinage....

Utah's corners should be able to lock down BYU's cement shoe wearing WR's. This could turn into 9 on 9 smash mouth football.

I'm curious to see how Utah defends BYU's talented TE's.... how do you cover Pita? Cover him with Sylvester or Johnson? Cover him with Sylvester and you lose your best linebacker. Cover him with Johnson and your bring Utah out of their preferred man-free coverage.... pick your poison...

Utah will not be going deep against BYU. BYU's secondary is designed to make you beat them with a bunch of short, continuous, underneath passes. Utah will have to throw underneath to their playmakers and look for YAC.

Utah is not real healthy at RB.

Utah has not had a turnover in 3 of the past 4 rivalry games, but they have put the ball on the carpet a lot this year. And when Hall get's rattled he starts throwing balls up for grabs. Turnovers will play a big part in the outcome.

BYU has trouble against any team with real speed... and Utah has real speed....

As of this morning BYU was a 7 1/2 point favorite. The Over/Under is 53 1/2.

And since I just placed a wager I'll let you in on it.... I'll took Utah and the 7 1/2 points to the tune of $200, thank you very much.

:cool2:

[Scott Card]

BYU, baby. And since I don't bet often I am not sure how to let you know I am serious except to say, I AM SERIOIUS, Dang it all to heck!!! I think BYU's offense will score points. Question is BYU's defense and their ability to hold the U in check. If it is smash mouth football, I like BYU's chances in the trenches. I'll be there and trying not to freeze. The forecast doesn't look too good. :cool2: :cool2:

[DOSS]

I just wish that somehow both teams could loose...

[Iceaxe]

I just wish that somehow both teams could loose...

Always someone trying to gay up the sports section....

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

[DOSS]

I just wish that somehow both teams could loose...

Always someone trying to gay up the sports section....

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

not sure how you gay up something more that already has men taking hot showers together, wearing tights and smacking each others butts :blahblah:

I just don't like either team and I wish I was in control of the world so I could cause them both to loose.. its not my fault I detest them both equally :)

[Scott Card]

I just wish that somehow both teams could loose...

Always someone trying to gay up the sports section....

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

not sure how you gay up something more that already has men taking hot showers together, wearing tights and smacking each others butts :blahblah:

I just don't like either team and I wish I was in control of the world so I could cause them both to loose.. its not my fault I detest them both equally :)

** edit - how's that!**

This begs the question: Do you have a team you support or is it that you "detest" football? This is the sports section afterall and if you post, you must have your helmet on and be willing to take the sports trash smack that is simply going to happen. :nod: :haha:

[Iceaxe]

Yo Scott....

I wish you would learn to put a line of space between your quote and your comment.... it drives me crazy....

Go Utes!

[Iceaxe]

I wish I was in control of the world

When it's my turn to control the world I'm not going to waste my time on sports..... I'm going to make all the women skinny with big boobs. :2thumbs:

That and maybe than I'll finally get the hoover bike they promised me in 5th grade that we would all be riding around on in the future.

:bootyshake:

[trackrunner]

I just don't like either team and I wish I was in control of the world so I could cause them both to loose.. its not my fault I detest them both equally :)

I'm sorry that your aggies don't matter and can't win. Last time they were relevent was back when the olsen boys played. The athletic program is not large enought to support a FBS football team.

I've met some aggie fans that have learned to pick another football team to cheer for and then keep the rest of their athletic program. Try it.

[DOSS]

When it's my turn to control the world I'm not going to waste my time on sports..... I'm going to make all the women skinny with big boobs.

I guess you have a point there.. gonna have to change priorities


I'm sorry that your aggies don't matter and can't win. Last time they were relevent was back when the olsen boys played. The athletic program is not large enought to support a FBS football team.

NA NA NA NA NA I can't hear you NA NA NA NA NA NA NA



I've met some aggie fans that have learned to pick another football team to cheer for and then keep the rest of their athletic program. Try it.

Can't.. its an illness

[Iceaxe]

Just to get the smack flowing....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6CROOR2QN8

[Kent K25]

I wish I was in control of the world

When it's my turn to control the world I'm not going to waste my time on sports..... I'm going to make all the women skinny with big boobs. :2thumbs:

That and maybe than I'll finally get the hoover bike they promised me in 5th grade that we would all be riding around on in the future.

:bootyshake:

Is Hoover getting out of the Vacuum making business and making bikes soon? ;) I guess you could say your spelling really "sucks"

Ok, that was terrible, but I'd still like a Hover Bike.

[Iceaxe]

And since I just placed a wager I'll let you in on it.... I'll took Utah and the 7 1/2 points to the tune of $200, thank you very much.

Utah lost :cry1:

But I still won. :banana:

The point spread is a wonderful thing.... :haha:

[DiscGo]

BYU was lucky to get passed Utah. I still can't figure out why Bronco Medenhall didn't use his time outs at the end of the game. Like Ransom said "Mendenhall just can't out coach anyone".

[Kent K25]

BYU was lucky to get passed Utah. I still can't figure out why Bronco Medenhall didn't use his time outs at the end of the game. Like Ransom said "Mendenhall just can't out coach anyone".

Looked like he was playing for overtime and it worked out. Still not the decision the majority of coaches would make, but I can't think of a game that has been lost due to poor coaching on his part.

[Reedus]

How about Max Hall's classless comments? What a certified grade A douche canoe. I was on his band wagon a couple of years back when he replaced Beck, but my opinion of him has gone south. Two words I can use that reflect why I hate him: Arrogant and Classless. Sure glad he is gone.

[accadacca]

What a great game. I really thought BYU was going to break it wide open but the Utah defense played great in the second half. Many 3 and outs. In the end I was happy to see BYU's seniors go out with a big win including Max Hall. Then I flipped on the TV later in the evening and saw what Max Hall had said after the game. Boy what a jackass. The comments were far from christian and coming from a captain of Brigham Young's football team. Wow, I was shocked to read that. Where was BYU's PR team during that rant. He should have just let the win speak for itself and focus on his last career game at BYU. He had plenty of material to talk about, but he let his true colors come out by running his mouth. I would be very embarrassed if I was a Cougar fan. Hell, I was embarrassed as a Ute fan to hear that garbage. What a clown...classless, yeah buddy, takes one to know one. :roll:


I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, I hate their fans, I hate everything. So it felt really good to send those guys home, Hall continued. They didn't deserve it. It was our turn, and our turn to win. We deserved it. We played as hard as we could tonight. And it felt really good, again, to send them home, to get them out of here, and so it is a game I will always remember. I think the whole university, their fans and their organization is classless. They threw beer on my family and stuff last year, and they did a whole bunch of nasty things, and I don't respect them, and they deserved to lose.

Yeah Max, you deserved it. The lord stepped in and made magic happen because you guys are better then the beer drinking Utes. I might be a Ute fan, but I don't hate anyone.

[Iceaxe]

BYU was lucky to get passed Utah. I still can't figure out why Bronco Medenhall didn't use his time outs at the end of the game. Like Ransom said "Mendenhall just can't out coach anyone".

Utah still had to make the kick, which was not a given.... if the kick was good than BYU was happy heading to overtime, which is not a bad thing if you are the home team. Home team has a big advantage on OT in a packed stadium.

Not a bad choice considering Hall has a history of getting rattled in pressure situations. OT is less pressure than a 2 minute drill. Just my 2 cents.

:cool2:

[CarpeyBiggs]

What a great game. I really thought BYU was going to break it wide open but the Utah defense played great in the second half. Many 3 and outs. In the end I was happy to see BYU's seniors go out with a big win including Max Hall. Then I flipped on the TV later in the evening and saw what Max Hall had said after the game. Boy what a jackass. The comments were far from christian and coming from a captain of Brigham Young's football team. Wow, I was shocked to read that. Where was BYU's PR team during that rant. He should have just let the win speak for itself and focus on his last career game at BYU. He had plenty of material to talk about, but he let his true colors come out by running his mouth. I would be very embarrassed if I was a Cougar fan. Hell, I was embarrassed as a Ute fan to hear that garbage. What a clown...classless, yeah buddy, takes one to know one. :roll:


I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, I hate their fans, I hate everything. So it felt really good to send those guys home, Hall continued. They didn't deserve it. It was our turn, and our turn to win. We deserved it. We played as hard as we could tonight. And it felt really good, again, to send them home, to get them out of here, and so it is a game I will always remember. I think the whole university, their fans and their organization is classless. They threw beer on my family and stuff last year, and they did a whole bunch of nasty things, and I don't respect them, and they deserved to lose.

Yeah Max, you deserved it. The lord stepped in and made magic happen because you guys are better then the beer drinking Utes. I might be a Ute fan, but I don't hate anyone.

yawn... what a boring argument. you act like these types of things haven't been a major part of the rivalry for years.

you get your panties in a twist when a mormon kid (collie) says that god helped him (a very christian thing to say...)

you get your panties in a twist when a mormon kid (hall) says he hates the utes (apparently unchristian...)

what really is the rub here for you? you lost, so you want something to whine about. hall gave you some fuel. utah has been doing this stuff for years. meyer wouldn't even refer to BYU by it's name, put byu logos in the urinals. you really can't isolate this one statement and tell me it sours the game for you. give me a friggin' break.

i don't think max should've said it. stupid thing to say, but that's max. he is a headcase. the real irony, is that he is running his mouth after yet another terrible performance against utah. if anything, that's where people can fault him.

but fault him for being mormon and hating the utes? lame. especially when you are faulting him for being unchristian, and then call him a jackass. classic.

[CarpeyBiggs]

Oh yeah, and just to refresh your memory... from your boy Morgan Scalley, a returned missionary and upstanding member of the church...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kecBRs38DWU

[Kent K25]

What a great game. I really thought BYU was going to break it wide open but the Utah defense played great in the second half. Many 3 and outs. In the end I was happy to see BYU's seniors go out with a big win including Max Hall. Then I flipped on the TV later in the evening and saw what Max Hall had said after the game. Boy what a jackass. The comments were far from christian and coming from a captain of Brigham Young's football team. Wow, I was shocked to read that. Where was BYU's PR team during that rant. He should have just let the win speak for itself and focus on his last career game at BYU. He had plenty of material to talk about, but he let his true colors come out by running his mouth. I would be very embarrassed if I was a Cougar fan. Hell, I was embarrassed as a Ute fan to hear that garbage. What a clown...classless, yeah buddy, takes one to know one. :roll:


I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them. I hate everything about them. I hate their program, I hate their fans, I hate everything. So it felt really good to send those guys home, Hall continued. They didn't deserve it. It was our turn, and our turn to win. We deserved it. We played as hard as we could tonight. And it felt really good, again, to send them home, to get them out of here, and so it is a game I will always remember. I think the whole university, their fans and their organization is classless. They threw beer on my family and stuff last year, and they did a whole bunch of nasty things, and I don't respect them, and they deserved to lose.

Yeah Max, you deserved it. The lord stepped in and made magic happen because you guys are better then the beer drinking Utes. I might be a Ute fan, but I don't hate anyone.

I'm a bit conflicted on Hall's rant. I'm sure Ute fans have been nothing but douche's to him and his family etc...so the anger is understandable. Definitely not the right way to get that anger out though. It brings some more fire to the rivalry though so I love it. The fact is, there are guys on both sides of that rivalry (Hall included)saying much worse things on and off the field that are supposed to be "good christians." Just get over it.

[DiscGo]

you get your panties in a twist when a mormon kid (collie) says that god helped him (a very christian thing to say...)

you get your panties in a twist when a mormon kid (hall) says he hates the utes (apparently unchristian...)

Well said Dan.

In the end it is a good rivalry and like all of the best rilvaries it leads to you hating the other team.

I not only hate the University of Michigan but I hate the whole state of Michigan. That being said one of my best friends is from Michigan and I mostly only really hate them in November although I might make fun of them year round. It is just part of the rivalry to talk trash and look down on each other.

Yes it was ironic having someone classlessly accuse Utah and its fan of being classless but I say give the guy a break.

[Iceaxe]

Honestly... I'm surprised any Ute fan gives a crap what Hall says... Hall barking was nothing, just part of the fun... Hall's football career is one more game and done so let him enjoy it...

The best throw down ever in the riverly was still BYU nose guard Lenny 'pump my gas' Gomes in 1993 with his:

[i]

[CarpeyBiggs]

attaboy sylvester!

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/2162215.jpg

by the way, george is still running...

[Iceaxe]

Ute fans can always look on the bright side

[accadacca]

Come on dood. There is a big difference between ME calling Max Hall a jackass on a small forum and him as the captain of BYU saying that he hates the entire University of Utah on national television and having the media run wild with it. There is an obvious difference between what is said here on bogley and what the players at BYU are representing when they speak. Of course this type of trash talk has been going on for years and years, no doubt about that.

I just found this particular rant rather long and very harsh. I am over the fact that the Utes lost. I'll be ready to watch them in a bowl game and I am excited for next year. I was planning on cheering for the BYU seniors in their bowl game (and possible attending) just like I was happy to see them win that way in their final game. I had no problem with Max and I didn't know that he was a headcase nor have I heard him say anything like this before. I was happy for him just like I was happy for Beck when he got a big win in his final season and game vs. Utah.

Yet this has to be one of the most boneheaded moves that I can remember by a BYU player. Can you think of something worse? The puzzling thing is that he should of been celebrating the big win (regardless of how he played) and all his success at BYU, not dwelling on something that happened a year ago. The comments shocked me and its not about needing something to talk about after a loss. I am not the only one that is talking about this. It is all over the local and national media. This is not what you want people to think of your university and certainly not at BYU. This is a PR nightmare...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvLdPk-H94Y

[CarpeyBiggs]

how is this a nightmare? it's exactly what the media wants, and heck, the fans too. the guy spoke his mind. byu-utah getting play all over the nation? sounds like a good thing to me. but it's only getting media attention because this is the exact thing the media pokes and prods players to say all the time. and now one of them finally says it, and all the yewties shit themselves.

he didn't say anything inappropriate. he said he hates the utes, hates the organization, and hates their fans. well duh! what BYU player wouldn't? or vice-versa? and i already posted a video of utes saying the same thing.

it's not a PR nightmare. nothing will come of it. it's the day after a rivalry game, and there is a spicy quote out there from max hall. i see virtually no difference between this and collie's quotes. you losers will latch on to anything... :lol8: :lol8:

[accadacca]

We obviously disagree about his comments being inappropriate.

I am not convinced that the story will fade away so quickly. Time will tell...

:popcorn:

[trackrunner]

Oh yeah, and just to refresh your memory... from your boy Morgan Scalley, a returned missionary and upstanding member of the church...

...i already posted a video of utes saying the same thing.


If you are going to bring up Morgan Scalley's incident you should at least included that he publically gave out his phone number so that any BYU fan that was offended by his comment could contact him and he would personally apologize. When Max does this then you can claim it's the same thing.

This isn't first stupid comment of trash talking and it won't be the last, for both sides.

edit: who the hell is waiting until after the game to vote for the Y. Stop being a wuse and commit early.

[DiscGo]

Who the hell is waiting until after the game to vote for the Y. Stop being a wuse and commit early.

:roflol: I noticed that BYU keeps going up in the pre-game poll.

[DiscGo]

BYU QB Max Hall issues apology following post-game rant

"It was not intended to be directed at the entire organization and all of their fans and I apologize that it came out that way," the statement reads. "I have the utmost respect for Kyle Whittingham, his coaching staff and the Utah football players. I apologize to them and other members of the university for my comments."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8847556

[trackrunner]

He did right by apologizing for that language. It was clearly ridicules statement on his part. If he truly hated everything about the U then he could not be a member of his church which has several senior members that are alums of the U, or even attend BYU since its president is a former Ute and former dean of the U med school. Not to mention a U season ticket holder too.

Congrats to the Y on the win. You disrupted Utah momentum from the first quarter and settled and focused on the game while a couple Utah players committed several stupid unsportsmanlike penalties.

[CarpeyBiggs]

If you are going to bring up Morgan Scalley's incident you should at least included that he publically gave out his phone number so that any BYU fan that was offended by his comment could contact him and he would personally apologize. When Max does this then you can claim it's the same thing.

source? i've never heard of scalley offering his cell phone number.

[accadacca]

Yeah, I guess an apology statement was released last night. I noticed that this was on the homepage of every major media outlet this morning. Not going away so fast...

[quote]The BYU Athletic Media Relations Department issued the following statement from Max Hall on Sunday evening:

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"I want to take the opportunity to clarify and apologize for a few of my remarks after the game yesterday.

Last year at RES my family was spit on, had beer dumped on them, and were physically assaulted on several occasions. They had to endure extremely vile comments personally attacking my wife, my mother, other family members, and our religion. They had to be escorted to their car by local police.

As a result of what happened to my family last year this rivalry became personal, and in the heat of the moment yesterday I made comments toward the entire university that were really directed specifically at those fans in RES. It was not intended to be directed at the entire organization and all of their fans and I apologize that it came out that way.

I have the utmost respect for Kyle Whittingham, his coaching staff, and the Utah football players. I apologize to them and other members of the university for my comments.

I'm also sorry if my comments took anything away from my teammates and coaches and our victory Saturday. The BYU-Utah game is a great rivalry, but no one should be treated the way my family was last year. I'm hoping that BYU and Utah fans can take steps to prevent future incidents at the game."

[trackrunner]

source? i've never heard of scalley offering his cell phone number.

It was reported in the media including national media. He created an account on cougar board and gave out his phone number. You'll have to search old news archives to find the news story. There are fan message boards where you can easily find this info.

[live2ride]

That is what makes these rivalries so good, a bunch of smack talk in the heat of the moment and its over. Paul Kruger did it, Scalley did it, now add Max hall to the mix and thats it? You bet it was ten times worse on the field, look at how many flags were thrown, Gotta be able to have log to keep the fire warm for next year don't we? It's about damn time someone shows a little emotion out of BYU and get through the filter. Get over it, I am sure all of those who have played sports have been in the heat of the moment, on a high block and went a little too far? Oh Well!!

[Iceaxe]

As a Utah fan I have no problem with Max "head case" Hall's comments.... it just adds to the rivalry.

Hall's comments were much better cannon fodder than "it was a great game against a tough opponent". You already know the first thing the media will trot out next year when hyping the game is Hall's rant.

I think I would be more upset if I were a coug fan

[trackrunner]

[quote=Iceaxe]As a Utah fan I have no problem with Max "head case" Hall's comments.... it just adds to the rivalry.

Hall's comments were much better cannon fodder than "it was a great game against a tough opponent". You already know the first thing the media will trot out next year when hyping the game is Hall's rant.

[b]I think I would be more upset if I were a coug fan

[DiscGo]

Hall reprimanded by MWC
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=294&sid=8854497

[Iceaxe]

Hall reprimanded by MWC
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:13pm

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - BYU quarterback Max Hall has been issued a public reprimand for comments which disparaged and criticized another MWC member institution following the November 28, 2009 Utah at BYU football contest. The actions of Mr. Hall were in violation of MWC Sportsmanship Rule Sections 4.2-e and 4.4.5.

The Mountain West Conference will have no further comment regarding this case. The provisions of the MWC Sportsmanship Policy can be found in Rule 4 of the MWC Handbook - which can be accessed via the www.TheMWC.com website.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=294&sid=8854497

[Scott Card]

Hall reprimanded by MWC
November 30th, 2009 @ 12:13pm

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - BYU quarterback Max Hall has been issued a public reprimand for comments which disparaged and criticized another MWC member institution following the November 28, 2009 Utah at BYU football contest. The actions of Mr. Hall were in violation of MWC Sportsmanship Rule Sections 4.2-e and 4.4.5.

The Mountain West Conference will have no further comment regarding this case. The provisions of the MWC Sportsmanship Policy can be found in Rule 4 of the MWC Handbook - which can be accessed via the www.TheMWC.com website.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=294&sid=8854497


Ouch..... :roflol: :roflol:

[Iceaxe]

As a Utah fan there was one thing I really did enjoy about the game.... and that was watching the BYU fans rush the field.... that shows a lot of respect. Your fans don't rush the field for "just anther game". I don't follow BYU real close.... but I think it's been a long time since BYU fans rushed the field.

[Scott Card]

I think that is a function of the rivalry and respect for Utah's recent success and a ranked team. I also think we as fans (no I did not rush the field) were hungering after that win against a ranked opponent. I know in the past it went both ways. I remember hearing talk about former Utah coaches basically saving or losing their jobs based on the success they had against BYU. The passion for this particular game is pretty darn intense. A little too intense for many. It is just a game after all. I would place the field rush on the fact that it was two good teams but more so on the fact that it was a ranked Utah.

[trackrunner]

watching the BYU fans rush the field.... that shows a lot of respect. Your fans don't rush the field for "just anther game". I don't follow BYU real close.... but I think it's been a long time since BYU fans rushed the field.

I always love watching fans rush the field after a huge game. Don't get that in the pro levels (exept for the Bill's fans during their run that one year).

Zoobies when are you going to tear down a field goal post? Rushing the field and not tearing down the field goal posts, is like getting married and skipping the sex crazed honeymoon. Hell, U fans have torn down more field goal posts in Provo than zoobies. :haha:

After big wins at the Y, U fans even go back to the U, break into the stadium, and tear down the posts.

[DiscGo]

After big wins at the Y, U fans even go back to the U, break into the stadium, and tear down the posts.

:roflol:

[Iceaxe]

Who keeps voting for BYU to win after the game is over? :roflol:

The votes were 5 to 7 in Utah's favor BEFORE the game. Yesterday they jumped to 7-7, and now they are 8 yo 7 in BYU's favor...

Everyone on the band wagon.... Everyone off the bandwagon... Everyone back on the band wagon....

:roflol:

[Iceaxe]

Tossing more gas on the Max Hall fire.... or... did you hear what the pot said to the kettle....

I assume you guys have seen this.... some BYU fan taking a swing at Coach Whit's wife after the game.... pure class....



The postgame altercation involving Jamie Whittingham literally came into clearer focus when freelance photos confirmed an incident occurred.

The Salt Lake Tribune first reported Monday that Whittingham suffered a cut lip during an altercation on the field after the game. The photos, by a photographer with US Presswire, show an unidentified BYU fan latching on to Whittingham as he is being restrained by other fans. A second photo shows Whittingham and her daughter backpedaling from the altercation.

BYU police reported two different complaints were filed involving on-field scuffles in or near the

[Kent K25]

^Pathetic, what a loser of a fan (based on the limited info here).

I don't care what she may or may not have said or done. As far as I know it was entirely unprovoked, you just don't go laying hands on a woman unless you are stopping her from harming someone else which I doubt was the case here.

Now, can you link me to the article that says someone took a swing at her? All the info above says she suffered a cut lip in an altercation...and that someone latched on to her, you added the taking a swing part on your own based on what I see here, which certainly isn't all the info. I'd be curious to hear some witness accounts of it. The only things I've read say that the whole incident was started by Whittingham's son and that there have been 2 "complaints' filed against him. A whole lot of vague info flying around on this one.

My overall opinion on all of this...

There are classless fans on both sides. There are classless comments on both sides. This is not the beginning nor the end of it all.

[Kent K25]

If you are going to bring up Morgan Scalley's incident you should at least included that he publically gave out his phone number so that any BYU fan that was offended by his comment could contact him and he would personally apologize. When Max does this then you can claim it's the same thing.

He, or someone claiming to be him did post a number that was supposedly his.

Myself and several roommates called it to see what he would say. Our assumptions were correct. No one ever answered it, nor did it have any voicemail message attached to it.

I highly doubt it was his number and if it was...he wasn't answering calls. Just put the info out there to save some face.

Do I blame him for it? Nope. Maybe he answered calls at first, but it's ridiculous to say you're going to apologize to everyone who calls. You're going to get way too many calls and lots of them, if not most of them will be people just yelling/cussing at you.

Saying Max Hall needs to do the same is just as ridiculous. There is nothing to be gained by giving out your phone number just to get further harassment.

[Kent K25]

As a Utah fan there was one thing I really did enjoy about the game.... and that was watching the BYU fans rush the field.... that shows a lot of respect. Your fans don't rush the field for "just anther game". I don't follow BYU real close.... but I think it's been a long time since BYU fans rushed the field.

My guess is that them rushing the field was a product of the Rivalry and the way it ended. It wasn't a matter of Utah being some amazing team. It was an exciting finish to a rivalry game, enough said.

FYI - I'm not saying Utah isn't a good team, they've played well this year and gave BYU all they could handle. But if BYU had won by a TD or two in regulation I don't think you see fans rushing the field with no MWC title on the line.

p.s. Utah's future looks bright, Wynn could really develop into a great QB. BYU's future should be interesting.

[trackrunner]

Saying Max Hall needs to do the same is just as ridiculous. There is nothing to be gained by giving out your phone number just to get further harassment.

Actually did you read and see the context this was placed in. This was pre Max apology. I brought this up because Morgan did apologize for his comment and Max had not at the time. At the time you could not say there were the same statements because one was man enough to say he was wrong. Now that max has apologized you can consider the same and a moot point. I disagree Max apologizing is not ridiculous.

As for Whit's wife. Read a news story that this fan was taking pictures of Whit's young child's reactions after the game. Was asked to stop 2 times but continued, third time his phone was thrown and a fight happened.

Last time I remember a Y student getting in a fight with someone on the U side line the Y student was expelled from the Y. Ironically the U member transferred to the Y a few years later.

[Kent K25]

Saying Max Hall needs to do the same is just as ridiculous. There is nothing to be gained by giving out your phone number just to get further harassment.

Actually did you read and see the context this was placed in. This was pre Max apology. I brought this up because Morgan did apologize for his comment and Max had not at the time. At the time you could not say there were the same statements because one was man enough to say he was wrong. Now that max has apologized you can consider the same and a moot point. I disagree Max apologizing is not ridiculous.

As for Whit's wife. Read a news story that this fan was taking pictures of Whit's young child's reactions after the game. Was asked to stop 2 times but continued, third time his phone was thrown and a fight happened.

Last time I remember a Y student getting in a fight with someone on the U side line the Y student was expelled from the Y. Ironically the U member transferred to the Y a few years later.

Didn't realize you made your comment before the apology. I thought you were saying his apology wasn't as good as Morgan because Morgan actually reached out to all fans...my bad.

I never said Max apologizing was ridiculous...I was saying that giving out your phone number to apologize to every fan was a ridiculous concept. I'm sure that if it really was Morgan who put that number out, he quickly realized it was a bad idea. It wasn't going to accomplish anything. This wasn't what you were saying though, so it's moot.

As for Whit's wife, I read as well that the Y fan was taking pictures of the Whit's kids and that Whit's boy took the phone and/or damaged a camera. A lot of petty crap going on there, presumably started by a classless BYU fan taking those pics. It's one thing to sneak a pic because you think it's funny (though not a classy thing to do with kids involved) but once the parents or someone else involved sees you doing it and asks you to stop...be a man, stop.

[Iceaxe]

Best BYU/Utah fan beat down ever..... During the 1999 Holy War a BYU fan went onto the field and tackled Utah cheerleader Billy Priddis who then introduced the fan to his fists.


BYU Fan Jumps Utah Cheerleader - BYU vs. Utah 1999

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3PmgNj0D3g

And I had almost forgot about the ugliest uniforms ever.... the BYU baby bibs.

:cool2:

[Kent K25]

I was at that game...HILARIOUS. Who said male cheerleaders aren't tough?

[Iceaxe]

I was at that game...HILARIOUS. Who said male cheerleaders aren't tough?

I was also at that game.... this happened almost directly in front of us, we had a great view of the entire deal.

Funny thing was after the beat down the Utah crowd started ribbing the coug fans about.... "Even Utah cheerleaders kick Cougar ass".

:haha:

[DiscGo]

I was on my mission in 99. I never heard about that incident. What happened to the cheerleader?

[trackrunner]

I was on my mission in 99. I never heard about that incident. What happened to the cheerleader?

He was given the key to the city became a god to Utah fans.

Cheerleader did nothing wrong. He didn't attack he was attacked by the Y fan and the Y fan wouldn

[DiscGo]

Is that true?

Too funny.

[trackrunner]

Is that true?

Too funny.

No, he may or may not have gotten the key to the city. Everything else, yes, is true.

[trackrunner]

Looks like the same Ute walking off the field ran into a professional photographer and asked not to take his picture and shoved him. Looks like the photographer asked for charges not to be pressed.

actually bet this happens quite a bit. I remeber at the Olympics there was a French mdeia photographer trying to get pictures of this woman next to me. She asked him to stop and walked away but he followed her cut in front of her to take more pictures, so she shoved him too. He stopped. Don't blame either. He was doing his job and she didn't want her picture taken.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348297/2-citations-issued-at-Y-U-game.html


The second report came from a professional photographer who told police he was taking pictures of dejected Ute players when the same man came up to him and also told him to stop, Lemmon said.

The photographer told police the man then pushed the camera into his face while he was taking a picture. However, as of Monday afternoon, the matter had been resolved and the photographer asked BYU to drop the case, which it did, Lemmon said.

[accadacca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drFeD30vWsI

[Scott Card]

:jump_nutt: :party: 9 votes now for BYU.... (who is still voting????? Hey, I have a ticket to the BYU / Utah game last Saturday that I am willing to part with for face value. :haha: )

[Iceaxe]

:roflol:

[DiscGo]

:roflol:

I loved the Ted Bundy part of that video.

[accadacca]

Uhhhh. I just saw this from a friend on FB. A coincidence...I think not. This dood must really be a nut job. I guess you get spit on and have beer spilled on you everywhere but BYU. Oh yeah and everybody else is classless... This article is from Dec. 10th 2008.


"My uncle and my grandpa don't really like U of A," Hall said. "Playing at ASU and being spit on and having beer spilled on them, and all that stuff. ... But I think (Arizona) coach (Mike) Stoops has done a very good job with them. They're a classier program than they've been in the past. They're doing a lot of good things." ... But I think (Arizona) coach (Mike) Stoops has done a very good job with them. They're a classier program than they've been in the past. They're doing a lot of good things."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705269395/BYU-football-Hall-eager-to-face-his-other-rival-team.html

[accadacca]

Nice use of the words on the photo caption... :lol8:

"BYU quarterback Max Hall will lead the Cougars to the Las Vegas Bowl where he will face the school he grew up hating as a youngster in Mesa, Ariz."

[Reedus]

Have to throw this out there for you Ute fans.

[accadacca]

Have to throw this out there for you Ute fans.
Oh yeah, you guys won huh. :haha:

[Iceaxe]

Have to throw this out there for you Ute fans.

Classic pick worked to perfection.....

[CarpeyBiggs]

can you even buy beer at RES? or is he suggesting someone smuggled the beer in? :roflol:

[accadacca]

can you even buy beer at RES? or is he suggesting someone smuggled the beer in? :roflol:
Smuggling beer into RES? Never! :haha:

[Iceaxe]

can you even buy beer at RES? or is he suggesting someone smuggled the beer in?

The "beer" statement was one of the remarks that made Hall look like a tool to drinkers.... for all you teetotalers let me explain....

NO ONE!!! has beer inside RES, it doesn't make sense... beer is big, bulky and difficult to smuggle

[CarpeyBiggs]

Oh the madness! The outrage!!! Alex Smith has NO CLASS. Classless!

"I'm much more into it this year," Smith says. "I really hate them. Playing in the game helped me understand. They are the most arrogant people. It's the whole church and state thing. They're the 'good kids'. We're the 'bad kids.' I didn't feel it in my gut last year like I do now."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=1927159

:roflol:

[Iceaxe]

"I'm much more into it this year," Smith says. "I really hate them. Playing in the game helped me understand. They are the most arrogant people. It's the whole church and state thing. They're the 'good kids'. We're the 'bad kids.' I didn't feel it in my gut last year like I do now."

IMHO.... It was not the "hate" word that got Hall in trouble.... it was the Tom Cruise type presentation that made him look like a complete idiot.

As most of you know, I coach football. And I can tell you this.... most the players my team hate our rival after a couple of years. It's not that they hate any individual player.... but they hate (and respect) what the other team represents. Any player who did not feel this way after a couple years is probably sitting somewhere on the bench. This hate/respect is what makes rivalries such a great part of the sport.

And a little FWIW: I listened to an interview with Morgan Scalley the other day.... and he mentioned his little tirade was a huge mistake... he said he still has to apologize at least once a day for his sin..... and in my book Scalley's rant was a row boat to Hall's Titanic.....

.....just my 2 cents.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRbhE3GRiUE

[Scott Card]

And a little FWIW: I listened to an interview with Morgan Scalley the other day.... and he mentioned his little tirade was a huge mistake... he said he still has to apologize at least once a day for his sin..... and in my book Scalley's rant was a row boat to Hall's Titanic.....



Larger boat, same result. :haha: Your statement is evidence of the rivalry. Each side sees the other side's transgressions as much bigger than those of their own team's.

[Iceaxe]

Larger boat, same result. :haha: Your statement is evidence of the rivalry. Each side sees the other side's transgressions as much bigger than those of their own team's.

Touch

[accadacca]

The whole point is that the comments were made by a BYU player. We know what they represent and what the Utes do not. No arguments there. Hell, the Utes are just a bunch of classless, beer drinking hell raisers that spill beer and spit on people...oh wait Arizona does that too. :lol8:


At the end of the day it was some seriously bad PR for Brigham Young University and not something that they are proud of. No arguments there either.

[CarpeyBiggs]

Hahahaha! Now this is classy!

http://mealex.com/images/Dos-Equis.jpg

[CarpeyBiggs]

more classy hall footage...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nil4lScqOw

[CarpeyBiggs]

i gotta hand it to the ute fans, some of this stuff is pretty funny... :haha:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs3kzhNQghM&NR=1

[accadacca]

Cougar fans you might wanna pick a couple of these up for the Vegas Bowl Part 5. I hear those Beaver fans like to spill beer too. :lol8:

[Scott Card]

Oh finally, free beer googles(with poncho) without having to get drunk. That is helpful! They should make the Utes a little more pleasing to look at. :haha:

[Iceaxe]

They had better bury Max Hall with a poncho and googles because I'm going to piss on his grave..... :lol8:

[trackrunner]

:popcorn:

[Kent K25]

For a trackrunner you sure did come in late on that one....check several posts up from you. We already got the Dos Equis gag.

[CarpeyBiggs]

more info comes out in the classy case of ute fans, and the whittinghams. remember how mrs. whitt said she was hit in the face in provo? the whittinghams will not confirm what really happened, but the pieces have come close enough together now to confirm what a few byu fans said happened who witnessed the altercation.

the real story - one of the whittingham kids took a byu fan's blackberry for taking pictures of him when he was pouting/crying. he tossed the fan's blackberry into the stands. a scuffle ensued, and mrs. whitt tried to break up the apparent headlock-grapple, and she was hit.

of course, now, everyone is tight lipped, including those who filed the police reports, and won't comment on what REALLY happened. wonder why? my suspicion is whitt payed 'em off. makes you wonder how much the whitt's had to pay to keep this one quiet. lots of evidence that has unfolded over the last few weeks to confirm this is the real story... reports from the tribune seem to substantiate it, without completely confirming it.

http://blogs.sltrib.com/byu/index.php?p=7447&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

[accadacca]

more info comes out in the classy case of ute fans, and the whittinghams. remember how mrs. whitt said she was hit in the face in provo? the whittinghams will not confirm what really happened, but the pieces have come close enough together now to confirm what a few byu fans said happened who witnessed the altercation.

the real story - one of the whittingham kids took a byu fan's blackberry for taking pictures of him when he was pouting/crying. he tossed the fan's blackberry into the stands. a scuffle ensued, and mrs. whitt tried to break up the apparent headlock-grapple, and she was hit.

of course, now, everyone is tight lipped, including those who filed the police reports, and won't comment on what REALLY happened. wonder why? my suspicion is whitt payed 'em off. makes you wonder how much the whitt's had to pay to keep this one quiet. lots of evidence that has unfolded over the last few weeks to confirm this is the real story... reports from the tribune seem to substantiate it, without completely confirming it.

http://blogs.sltrib.com/byu/index.php?p=7447&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Who cares? :ne_nau: What would you do if someone was taking pictures of your kid crying and you told them to stop but they kept doing it? I might do worse then chuck their phone on the field. Big deal. :roll:

[trackrunner]

of course, now, everyone is tight lipped, including those who filed the police reports, and won't comment on what REALLY happened. wonder why? my suspicion is whitt payed 'em off. makes you wonder how much the whitt's had to pay to keep this one quiet. lots of evidence that has unfolded over the last few weeks to confirm this is the real story... reports from the tribune seem to substantiate it, without completely confirming it.


Really? :ne_nau: This may be hard to believe, but some people can resolve their differences behind closed doors and out of the spotlight of the media and not demand big cash payouts. I thought it was wise for the Whits to not have talked since the beginning (even if they did absolutely nothing wrong). It doesn

[CarpeyBiggs]

[quote=CarpeyBiggs]
of course, now, everyone is tight lipped, including those who filed the police reports, and won't comment on what REALLY happened. wonder why? my suspicion is whitt payed 'em off. makes you wonder how much the whitt's had to pay to keep this one quiet. lots of evidence that has unfolded over the last few weeks to confirm this is the real story... reports from the tribune seem to substantiate it, without completely confirming it.


Really? :ne_nau: This may be hard to believe, but some people can resolve their differences behind closed doors and out of the spotlight of the media and not demand big cash payouts. I thought it was wise for the Whits to not have talked since the beginning (even if they did absolutely nothing wrong). It doesn

[accadacca]

Dood, you cant seriously believe the stuff that you read on the internet. :nono: :haha: