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Baby Sitters Videotaped Themselves in Sex Acts With Kids, Police Say
Saturday , March 14, 2009
VEEDERSBURG, Ind.
KapitanSparrow
03-14-2009, 09:58 AM
Yep, I've got no problem with DP in this case. Fcuk'em!
Or life sentence without the possibility of parole.
Or life sentence without the possibility of parole.
No reason to keep these two alive.
KapitanSparrow
03-14-2009, 10:20 AM
That's why NASA should look into likely-to-fail manned space missions featuring people like these. :roflol: The criminals should do their part for science. Send them into space in search of new planets to colonize :roflol:
Deuce
03-14-2009, 10:32 AM
Or life sentence without the possibility of parole.
No reason to keep these two alive.
EXACTLY, I have no desire to have the government spend tax dollars keeping these pieces of chit alive on my dime for the next 50ish years.
DiscGo
03-14-2009, 11:21 AM
Surprise surprise: I believe they should receive the death penalty.
denaliguide
03-14-2009, 11:32 AM
do it!
hank moon
03-14-2009, 11:47 AM
If death for these guys, then how about death to all the millions of crappy parents in the world that mess up their kids (many for life) on a daily basis?
Death to the child-molesting clergy!
Death to all members of churches that ever supported said clergy!
Death to tithers!
And to the tax collectors, barrel makers, and tissue paper salesmen!
hank moon
03-14-2009, 11:49 AM
EXACTLY, I have no desire to have the government spend tax dollars keeping these pieces of chit alive on my dime for the next 50ish years.
I imagine that DP prisoners cost taxpayers more in the long run...maybe CardShark has some data?
Nothing like supporting baby rapers :roll: Oh, wait...I almost forgot. They must be victims themselves.... :roll:
Deuce
03-14-2009, 06:38 PM
If death for these guys, then how about death to all the millions of crappy parents in the world that mess up their kids (many for life) on a daily basis?
Death to the child-molesting clergy!
Death to all members of churches that ever supported said clergy!
Death to tithers!
And to the tax collectors, barrel makers, and tissue paper salesmen!
Mr. Moon....I will assume you are trolling with your comments....so I will bite.....
You cannot differentiate the difference between what these individuals did and "general" poor parenting.....support of criminals, tithers....bla..bla...bla....?????
The unfortunate thing is all of this is the overall costs to the taxpayer.... Costs more to prosecute a death penalty case.....costs more to go through all the appeals process(automatic)....costs more to house on death row....and to ultimately carry out the process....bla...bla...bla.....
IMO....video evidence, witnesses/victims to corroborate....for lack of better words, open and shut case.... Take them out in the desert, put them down, leave them for the family or the varmints.....
I would be considered VERY liberal by most on this forum.....but this is one area that my views................ Are you phucking kidding me, they videoed themselves sexually molesting infants...... Yea, time for the dirt nap....
psl53
03-14-2009, 08:12 PM
If death for these guys, then how about death to all the millions of crappy parents in the world that mess up their kids (many for life) on a daily basis?
Death to the child-molesting clergy!
Death to all members of churches that ever supported said clergy!
Death to tithers!
And to the tax collectors, barrel makers, and tissue paper salesmen!
Hank,
You're on the right track, it's a good start. :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:
Peter
hank moon
03-14-2009, 08:49 PM
You cannot differentiate the difference between what these individuals did and "general" poor parenting...
I do not know what they did. A critical reading of the tidbit JP offered could mean only that the couple taped themselves having sex in the presence of the children. Very little facts here...lots of hasty conclusions.
Deuce
03-14-2009, 09:52 PM
You cannot differentiate the difference between what these individuals did and "general" poor parenting...
I do not know what they did. A critical reading of the tidbit JP offered could mean only that the couple taped themselves having sex in the presence of the children. Very little facts here...lots of hasty conclusions.
You cannot really believe that someone was charged felony child molestation for making a innocent "home porno" and a child entered the room, which we know how the tape would play out...........
Again.....I will go back to my original post.....assuming you were not just trolling for entertainment.... Fire away and tell me if you can tell the difference between these crimes....
These people raped infants, please do not tell me your argument is semantics...... :roll:
hank moon
03-14-2009, 10:30 PM
You cannot really believe that someone was charged felony child molestation for making a innocent "home porno" and a child entered the room, which we know how the tape would play out.
Seriously, Deuce. I neither said nor implied the above. I said that facts are lacking. You say "these people raped infants" yet you do not know this (unless you have info other than that already presented - if so, please share). It seems that those hollering for the death penalty have reached conclusions w/o facts. Is this an online form of "herd mentality," "crowd hysteria" or the like?
Where did you learn that anyone involved was charged with "felony child molestation"? Suspects must be charged in order to be held for any length of time. That's part of the so-called "rule of law" here in the U.S.A. Charges don't mean much unless they stick in the end (i.e. conviction is obtained). Of course, you guys might be right in guessing these folks are "baby rapists," but that is not yet established as fact.
hank
Deuce
03-14-2009, 10:51 PM
Seriously, Deuce. I neither said nor implied the above. I said that facts are lacking.
No, you made an ignorant argument in an attempt to troll IMO.....
You say "these people raped infants" yet you do not know this (unless you have info other than that already presented - if so, please share).
A couple who ran a baby-sitting service out of their home videotaped themselves performing sex acts with children, some as young as 2 months old, police said Friday.
Stephen E. Quick, 31, and Samantha Light, 25, both of Veedersburg in western Indiana, were being held on $100,000 bond in Fountain County Jail. Both faced preliminary charges of child molestation and child exploitation. Jail staff did not know whether either one had an attorney.
Police who searched the couple's home found a videotape depicting sex acts involving Quick and Light and at least four different children between the ages of 2 months and 6 years old, said Fountain County Sheriff's Deputy Bob Kemp.
"In 15 years of doing this job, it's the worst thing I've ever seen or imagined," he told WRTV. "Just horrible, just horrible It's a new low."
Where did you learn that anyone involved was charged with "felony child molestation"? Suspects must be charged in order to be held for any length of time. That's part of the so-called "rule of law" here in the U.S.A. Charges don't mean much unless they stick in the end (i.e. conviction is obtained). Of course, you guys might be right in guessing these folks are "baby rapists," but that is not yet established as fact.
No....they would be held for 72 hours while the DA looked at the PC(probable cause statement)....when it would be decided if a case could be made.... Fact is, with what we have here.....(most would be kept out of the public eye and saved for a possible trial) this is a done deal....
Again....IMO, you were trolling....and I jumped in.....still waiting for any substantial rebuttal...... :roll:
Fact is, I have the fortunate.....or unfortunate....opportunity to have some direct contact with individuals in this arena. When comments are made, like the one I enlarged above......this is live changing, not only for the victims and the victims families.....but even for the individuals who have to be directly involved in these cases. This chit doesn't go away when they clock out a the end of the day.....
hank moon
03-14-2009, 11:07 PM
Repeating news stories, allegations and police quotes does not establish any facts...
even with big fonts and stuff.
Substantial rebuttal? Hard to do without facts.
Deuce
03-14-2009, 11:10 PM
Mr. Moon,
Just as a clarification.....and to put this in perspective..... I am no angry with you or sitting on this end of the computer with fire and brimstone, sweat on the brow and whatever else....
I do not think you are a sympathizer of those that prey on children or the like..... I do not mean to imply that if you felt that was my intention.....
I just thought you made a ignorant comment and replied.....nothing more or less.....
Deuce
03-14-2009, 11:18 PM
Repeating news stories, allegations and police quotes does not establish any facts...
even with big fonts and stuff.
Substantial rebuttal? Hard to do without facts.
You are back-peddling...... :ne_nau:
Of course we do not have facts.....we are talking on an Internet forum....reading a news report. What we have is a police report(not only victim statement, but video evidence) released to the public, which will end up in court....and two individuals booked into a jail and apparently charged with a few crimes.....
What more do you want....? We are not going to try the case here.......
We have what we have......if this was all a dream and we didn't have the video tape, victim/witnesses and police that watched it and interviews them......we could just assume it was all just a sick joke, right?
hank moon
03-14-2009, 11:23 PM
No worries, Deuce. I'm not clear on what you are calling "ignorant" - perhaps it was the hyperbolic stuff. That was done in jest to highlight the irrationality of calling for killing w/o knowing the facts of the matter.
JP: couldn't this just be another trick of the liberal media? :haha:
I have to say that mass hysteria often overcomes reason in situations like this. I don't know why people are so eager to believe cops, who are just people like you and me, and call for suspects to be summarily executed before they've had a trial. Crimes like this are appalling, and when people are convicted of crimes like these, they need to be punished. But need I remind you of the "ritual" sexual abuse mass hysteria that went on in the 1980s and early 1990s? Dozens of innocent people's lives were ruined because the public convicted them with the help of television, and with the help of the psychiatric community, who not only profited from such a mass delirium, but who are also kind of screwed up themselves.
Before you convict me, please read these pages all the way through...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_care_sexual_abuse_hysteria
http://www.fmsfonline.org/
Only after all the evidence is in should you be calling for the death penalty, or any penalty. Having a cop say that someone is guilty of a crime doesn't make it true.
Deuce
03-15-2009, 08:17 AM
I have to say that mass hysteria often overcomes reason in situations like this. I don't know why people are so eager to believe cops, who are just people like you and me, and call for suspects to be summarily executed before they've had a trial. Crimes like this are appalling, and when people are convicted of crimes like these, they need to be punished. But need I remind you of the "ritual" sexual abuse mass hysteria that went on in the 1980s and early 1990s? Dozens of innocent people's lives were ruined because the public convicted them with the help of television, and with the help of the psychiatric community, who not only profited from such a mass delirium, but who are also kind of screwed up themselves.
Before you convict me, please read these pages all the way through...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_care_sexual_abuse_hysteria
http://www.fmsfonline.org/
Only after all the evidence is in should you be calling for the death penalty, or any penalty. Having a cop say that someone is guilty of a crime doesn't make it true.
Richard, I think everyone will agree that every individual has a right to a fair trial and to respond to the charges against them....and the fact is, none of us are judge, jury or executioner..... This is not mass hysteria, it is just a bunch of individuals reading an article and making a comment.... Everyone is responding to the facts as they have been presented and making comment as if that is how it will play out. There is no other way to do it here.....
Someone posts a discussion point and then everyone keeps quiet because we all know that there are facts that we are not aware of and there is a chance that some of what was reported was misrepresented? Couldn't we say to everything posted to discuss, "you should not form an opinion, you do not know all the facts."
It appears that we are not talking about a "he said, she said" in this case, but have video evidence..... So it is a bit apples to oranges to compare to those cases mentioned in wiki.....
IMO, there is a substantial difference in reading "an individual has been accused by another" as opposed to "videotape depicting sex acts involving Quick and Light and at least four different children between the ages of 2 months and 6 years old"
It is MUCH easier to form a strong opinion.....to think there is less chance that there are mitigating circumstances ect....
Only after all the evidence is in should you be calling for the death penalty, or any penalty. Having a cop say that someone is guilty of a crime doesn't make it true.
I could not agree more..... Assuming you mean people that actually have juice in this, not just a bunch of anonymous people on the Internet discussing an article that was posted.....
IMO, there is a substantial difference in reading "an individual has been accused by another" as opposed to "videotape depicting sex acts involving Quick and Light and at least four different children between the ages of 2 months and 6 years old"
Don't get me wrong; if these people are convicted, I would pull the switch on the electric chair. It's just that the quote above is a sound bite from a news story, not a trial transcript. I am frequently distrustful of news stories that come from today's media, and I am also distrustful of some elements of the law enforcement community. Keep in mind that I am a media member, and I can tell you from the inside that today's media, especially television, gives the public just the right dose of sound bites and pullout quotes to inflame the reader or viewer into wanting more. You can never ever let anyone get convicted by the media.
JP: couldn't this just be another trick of the liberal media? :haha:
Why yes Hank, it's the victimization thingy. Come on, it's a headline grabber. Sure had it's effect in here. :mrgreen: Even most Liberal's get a hair to stand up when a child is raped (There's a few like you that do not seem to :haha: ) But, all kidding aside, I do see where you are coming from. There's been no trial. Yes, they are innocent until proven guilty and I really don't think you advocate the raping of children. But, even with the videotaped evidence and they are found guilty, these child predators will never see the death penalty. One child being molested is outrageous, but years worth of trusting parents dropping their children off for daycare is heinous and deserving to ride the lightning or whatever is set up for the death penalty. But, for Deuce and I, the death sentence they'll be facing walking into a prison will be far more pain than the legal quick way the government has in place. I'd love to be a fly on the wall with a video camera on their prison judgment day :mrgreen:
I don't know why people are so eager to believe cops, who are just people like you and me, and call for suspects to be summarily executed before they've had a trial.
Because Richard, cops are not like you and me. They are held to a higher standard than you and I. They're reasonably prudent people and we're less than reasonable and that's the way society and the courts hold them to. For a season investigator to make a comment as he did, it's something that the average lay person cannot conceivably comprehend. It's out of your grasp. An investigator sees rape on all levels, murder at all levels and other crimes against society that you may get a clip from the paper you work for. Reporters don't see these cases as cops do.
I do not know what they did. A critical reading of the tidbit JP offered could mean only that the couple taped themselves having sex in the presence of the children. Very little facts here...lots of hasty conclusions.
A couple who ran a baby-sitting service out of their home videotaped themselves performing sex acts with children, some as young as 2 months old, police said Friday.
Police who searched the couple's home found a videotape depicting sex acts involving Quick and Light and at least four different children between the ages of 2 months and 6 years old, said Fountain County Sheriff's Deputy Bob Kemp.
"In 15 years of doing this job, it's the worst thing I've ever seen or imagined," he told WRTV. "Just horrible, just horrible It's a new low."
Police searched the couple's home after the parents of a 3-year-old girl reported that she told them Quick and Light had touched her inappropriately and photographed her at their home on Feb. 28.
Deputies seized several computers, cameras, a video camera, pornographic materials, drugs and drug paraphernalia. Several sex toys that appeared in the video were seized during a second search, police said.
Quick and Light were arrested March 5. Neither has a criminal history.
Authorities have removed the couple's daughter from their home.
It says that they were performing acts with the children. They video taped it. A 3 year old said they touched and photographed her.
Now a 3 year old can be a difficult witness. But I believe her over the druggies.
I also support DP for all molesters/rapers, especially if the victims are children. All church leaders included. You are really stretching it saying all tith payers, church members, etc. That can only be taken as a troll. No logical person could be serious about that. So I will assume that you were just trying to point out some other points of view. No matter how crazy they sound.
Deathcricket
03-16-2009, 09:53 AM
No brainer. I'd like to quote Roarshak from Watchmen for my response.
"Men go to jail, dogs get put down". It has better meaning when the guy he's talking to has a cleaver sticking out of his forehead, but ya get my drift I'm sure.
:haha:
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