Sex In Wyoming

[rockgremlin]

Here's a little story highlighting your tax dollars at work here in Wyoming.

My wife has a friend who has a daughter who is a senior in the local high school here in Green River. We'll call her daughter "Stacy." Stacy is attending a healthy lifestyles course as an elective to finish out her senior year. The final semester the teacher gives the students the opportunity to choose what they want to study. So, of course they choose......SEX.

Stacy comes home reporting that her teacher is showing videos of CAT scanned images of married couples having sex to demonstrate what happens during an orgasm. The married couples also discussed how they indulge in pornography to enhance their sexual experience. They are also discussing what a "G-spot" is, and how to stimulate it. Then the teacher had the students bring into the class pop music that contained lyrics that alluded to sexual intercourse. Everyone took turns listening to each others songs during classtime. Stacy expressed that she felt "dirty" after each class, and was being ridiculed by the rest of the class because she was too much of a "prude."

Of course Stacy's mother is upset. She goes to the principal, but is brushed off.

[opinion on] Now I don't have a problem with teachers in public schools teaching about sex as long as the curriculum is objective and academic. Teaching about STDs, contraception, and tolerance towards others with differing sexual orientations is all good by me. But showing videos of orgasms, teaching how to sexually stimulate a woman, glorifying pornography, and playing music containing explicit lyrics as a part of the curriculum is inappropriate and just plain ridiculous. All of that stuff kids do in their spare time when their parents are away on vacation -- it shouldn't be pushed through our public school system under the label of "education." [opinion off]

So what do you think? Am I way off base? What do you think is the best course of action here?

[DiscGo]

I think you have just explained what many fear about sex education in school instead of the home. Instead of being taught the science behind it and the responsibilities and consequences and use of protection it turns into an orgy planning meeting :)


(I am so immature. I started giggling as soon as I had typed that last sentence) But seriously that is inappropriate.

[Last Child]

People from Wyoming should stop having sex.

[CrazyFinn]

Thats pretty wild. I agree with your opinion on it. Sure gives Sex Ed a bad name but also school in general. They are getting pretty far away from what most people want their kids to be taught. Makes you wonder what else gets taught. :frustrated:

[greyhair biker]

Not only that rockgremlin, but in Green River, in 7th GRADE mind you, the school health program is teaching the kids how to put on a condom...to do reports on STD's...the list goes on. You as a parent can demand that the school put your student in a separate curriculum and they have to do it, otherwise you CHILD will be taught things you may deem inappropriate at that age...or you will be teaching your child about sex at an earlier age :ne_nau:

[JP]

They're going to learn about it one way or another. Parents better step up to the plate and prepare their kids. I have a problem with schools stepping away from traditional learning and venturing into areas that become conflicts with morals, politics, etc.
If they pick a course that the curriculum is spelled out, students and parents alike shouldn't be surprised.

[rockgremlin]

I have a problem with schools stepping away from traditional learning and venturing into areas that become conflicts with morals, politics, etc. If they pick a course that the curriculum is spelled out, students and parents alike shouldn't be surprised.

Agreed. Teach them the fundamentals and what is considered appropriate.

Since when is it important for high school seniors to know how to stimulate the G spot? It's like sex ed. ala Carrie Bradshaw (played by Sarah Jessica Parker in Sex in the City for those whose heads that joke flew over).

[JP]

Since when is it important for high school seniors to know how to stimulate the G spot?
Nothing like being well-informed :lol8:

[accadacca]

Wow! Wyoming, the state with drive up liquor and maybe drive up porn too. Not surprised. Do they have private schools?

[KapitanSparrow]

The subject of this thread is very misleading and I am dissapointed :ne_nau: Certainly not what I was expecting. :roflol: Hey, what ever happened to that idea of a Bogley dating section?

[rockgremlin]

The subject of this thread is very misleading and I am dissapointed :ne_nau: Certainly not what I was expecting.

What were you expecting.....Brokeback Mountain? :roflol:

[Last Child]

The subject of this thread is very misleading and I am disappointed :ne_nau: Certainly not what I was expecting.

What were you expecting.....Brokeback Mountain? :roflol:


Nah, probably the same thing that first came to my mind.

Sex in Wyoming means happy sheep. :naughty:


Kind of ironic that we have had two post about Utah being #1 in porn consumption and now this about sex ed. If we weren't so darned uptight about sex it wouldn't be that big of a deal. When you make sex out to be this big taboo thing all it does is spark the imagination and curiosity.

Porn and teen pregnancy a little high around these parts it seems.

Most parents don't talk to their kids about sex. At all.

I would think that most ladies would be happy to have the men folk knowing how to find and work the G spot. I mean, the guys are going to enjoy themselves pretty much guaranteed. What's wrong with knowing not only knowing how to do it but how to do it right and add even more enjoyment? Ahhh, that's probably it. We don't wan't the kiddies to know just how enjoyable it is.

Sure would have saved me a couple of years and a few "hey whats this do's?". People are so uptight about it all that even when you're with someone they may be to embarrassed to say...

no, no...you're not even close. It's over here and you do it like this.

Man how many times have we all heard that?

[KapitanSparrow]

I don't care about sex right now - the new Empire: Total War game just came out! :roflol:

[rockgremlin]

What's wrong with knowing not only knowing how to do it but how to do it right and add even more enjoyment? Ahhh, that's probably it. We don't wan't the kiddies to know just how enjoyable it is.



I don't have a problem with that at all. Just don't do it in our publicly funded school system. If you wanna enroll your kids in a pornography and smutfest class in a private school -- by all means knock yourself out. Good for you and your sexually active kiddies.


You have to admit that Stacy probably didn't expect much less want to see orgasms and talk about G spots when she enrolled in a healthy lifestyles class in her high school.

[Iceaxe]

I think we send our children out into the dating world extremely uninformed when it comes to sex..... they should know about STD's, they should know how to put a condom on.... they should know what an orgasm is....

As for learning through music maybe it's not the best way.... but I can't think of a better way to attack the subject. The kids already listen to the music and if the leacture is to clinical the kids just tune it out.

And I can only hope my kids feel a little "uncomfortable" when they learn about sex.... otherwise they are being told a little too late.... I'd rather my daughters feel a little discomfort in the class room then come home knocked-up....

And on a side note, which I'm sure doesn't apply to any of the men on Bogley :roll: ....most men could use a good class in satisfying a woman. I know I sure could have at one time in my life.... I learned like this.... I think I was about 24 at the time....

Cougar: What are you doing?
Ice: Satisfying you!
Cougar: Oh.... so you know where my G-spot is?
Ice: Sure do.
Cougar: Well it's about 2" from where you think it is.....

:giveit:

So.... if they let you opt out of having your kids in the class what's your bitch? I'd prefer my kids no too much then too little...

:cool2:

[Jaxx]

I learned how to put a condom on in 7th grade. No biggie, most of the kids in the class knew how already. STD's, condoms, etc. I think need to be talked about around 6th grade. Junior high was the most filthy mouthed, perverted time of my life. Walking the Junior High halls was like being in a R to X rated movie on most days. Kids know those things at that age. I think parents should use the sex ed class at school to start discussions and give a serious talk to their kids around 6th grade. Learning about the period should be enough to keep young boys away from the girls for a while. :haha:

I think learning the ins and outs should be on the parents. Gspot, that may be a little far for me if this is a mixed class. Although that would have helped me out in high school.
I am a fairly open minded parent so I would say this sounds ok if my daughter was in the class for the most part. The pornography thing takes it too far for me. I draw the line at promoting porn in school classes. I have never seen it do any good in someone's life, actually the exact opposite.

Good for Stacy for sticking up for what she thought was wrong. Mabey she should talk with the teacher and ask if she can be excused from class when things come up that she doesn't want to hear.

The music thing just sounds like a waste of time. I think the teacher was just trying to get a bigger music selection for his "nasty time" mix tape. :getiton:

[rockgremlin]

The music thing just sounds like a waste of time. I think the teacher was just trying to get a bigger music selection for his "nasty time" mix tape. :getiton:


:roflol: :roflol:


Great points guys. To me it sounds like the teacher is letting the students control the content being presented instead of vice versa -- which is never a good idea.

I am colossally disappointed at the banner ads for this thread. All this talk about sex, and the only banner ad I get is for the University of Phoenix. :roll:

[Last Child]

What's wrong with knowing not only knowing how to do it but how to do it right and add even more enjoyment? Ahhh, that's probably it. We don't wan't the kiddies to know just how enjoyable it is.



I don't have a problem with that at all. Just don't do it in our publicly funded school system. If you wanna enroll your kids in a pornography and smutfest class in a private school -- by all means knock yourself out. Good for you and your sexually active kiddies.


You have to admit that Stacy probably didn't expect much less want to see orgasms and talk about G spots when she enrolled in a healthy lifestyles class in her high school.

So let me get this straight. Because "my kids" who are better informed about the sexual procedure, std's, how to prevent std's and pregnancy they are automatically going to be "sexually active"?

Or are they going to make better and wiser choices because they are educated and know all about these things. Add to that the fact that they are probably going to be closer and more open to me because I have the respect to teach and prepare them for difficult life choices and we can talk about the uncomfortable comfortably.

Do you think Stacy would have been "uncomfortable" if you had already had these discussions with her and she was already prepared for this?

It's only sex. Good grief.

Kind of weird how our kids can watch literally thousands of killings, murders, etc. every year on tv, movies, internet, etc. But Janet Jackson shows some areola and the world must stop spinning. Our values are all F'D UP in my opinion.

[James_B_Wads2000]

They are also discussing what a "G-spot" is, and how to stimulate it.

This myth and the myth of evolution should not be taught in public schools. :haha:



James

[rockgremlin]

So let me get this straight. Because "my kids" who are better informed about the sexual procedure, std's, how to prevent std's and pregnancy they are automatically going to be "sexually active"?

Or are they going to make better and wiser choices because they are educated and know all about these things. Add to that the fact that they are probably going to be closer and more open to me because I have the respect to teach and prepare them for difficult life choices and we can talk about the uncomfortable comfortably.

Do you think Stacy would have been "uncomfortable" if you had already had these discussions with her and she was already prepared for this?

It's only sex. Good grief.

Kind of weird how our kids can watch literally thousands of killings, murders, etc. every year on tv, movies, internet, etc. But Janet Jackson shows some areola and the world must stop spinning. Our values are all F'D UP in my opinion.


You're not hearing what I'm saying. Hey man -- I AGREE with everything you just said here. Especially that last paragraph -- violence and drugs are OK, but as soon as they roll out the boobies on TV, then that's just unacceptable. ??? F'ed up for sure.

What I'm saying is -- teaching our kids about orgasms, and playing explicit music in class is not academically meaningful. It's a waste of time. If you're gonna teach about std's and contraception fine - I don't have a problem with that, but leave the porn, orgasms and gspots out of it.

[Sombeech]

Hey kids, this is what boobs look like. It's very important you learn what they look like here in class.

Because if you don't learn what a nude woman looks like, you'll never in your life have the opportunity to see it on your own.

This is why tax dollars are spent teaching this stuff.

[Iceaxe]

This thread should be dropped quicker than a prom dress......

:lol8:

[Last Child]

You're not hearing what I'm saying. Hey man -- I AGREE with everything you just said here. Especially that last paragraph -- violence and drugs are OK, but as soon as they roll out the boobies on TV, then that's just unacceptable. ??? F'ed up for sure.

What I'm saying is -- teaching our kids about orgasms, and playing explicit music in class is not academically meaningful. It's a waste of time. If you're gonna teach about std's and contraception fine - I don't have a problem with that, but leave the porn, orgasms and gspots out of it.

I have the feeling that learning anything be it positive or negative is a good thing. Academically speaking....knowledge is power. All knowledge.

Apparently this has opened discussions between you and your child. That is a good thing. You can take the so called "bad" and talk about it and possibly get some good out of it. Can you not? Maybe you can use this as an opportunity to teach your child how to handle an uncomfortable situation. This won't be the last one she will have to encounter.

Have you approached the teacher to find out their point of view and why they felt the need to teach certain things and/or why they chose to use certain "teaching aids"? Or did you just head right to the principle? If you have a problem with someone you should approach that person first and discuss and then go higher up if need be. Who knows maybe you might learn something in the process.

Sounds to me like you guys just wanted to get this person in trouble instead of trying to understand and/or express your concerns. Is this the lesson you want to teach your child? If offended ignore the offender. Isn't this part of the problem. Not communicating. I think that a good learning experience for your daughter, your wife, and you would be to get together and go have a "civil" discussion with the teacher. Maybe the teacher will also learn something in the process and adjust the curriculum somewhat.

And seriously... porn? If there was porn involved here this teacher would not have a job right now. A little exaggerative here aren't we? How many other parents and or children are having issues with this class or teacher?

It's totally up to you on what type of learning experience your daughter has here. Make the best of it man.

[Last Child]

This thread should be dropped quicker than a prom dress...... :lol8:

Okay, that's funny on so many levels. Well done. :2thumbs: :haha:

[rockgremlin]

Apparently this has opened discussions between you and your child....



Actually, I don't have a teenage daughter. I have three little boys, oldest is age 8. But this is happening in my community, so I feel I have somewhat of a vested interest. I like your points...all valid. Anything controversial is an opportunity for open discussion, and hopefully something positive may be gleaned in the end. Not trying to get the teacher in trouble...just a little skeptical of his teaching methods and of his ability to control a very emotional topic. High school teens and sex....give em an inch....ya know?

[oldno7]

I would have 2 potential major concerns here, maybe 3.





















1) Is the teacher female?
2) Is she cute?
3) If answers to 1&2 are yes, When is the next scheduled parent teacher conference? I think many bogley guys and maybe some girls, would travel to Green River to find out more about this "G" spot. Does she also teach about bigfoot? :popcorn:

[rockgremlin]

3) If answers to 1&2 are yes, When is the next scheduled parent teacher conference? I think many bogley guys and maybe some girls, would travel to Green River to find out more about this "G" spot. Does she also teach about bigfoot? :popcorn:


:roflol:

[denaliguide]

you lost me at "my wife has a friend who has a daughter". like we have never heard that before. :roflol:

oh yea and did james say something? :roflol:

seriously now, did she sign up for the class voluntarily? or were there no other options? i'm sure she thought that healthy lifestyles was supposed to be about eating right and lowering your carbon footprint.

[rockgremlin]

you lost me at "my wife has a friend who has a daughter". like we have never heard that before. :roflol:




Question for all of those on this forum who know me well (Accadacca, Sombeech, Greyhair Biker, Kyrell, Iceaxe, etc):


Exactly how many teenage daughters do I have?

[Jaxx]

you lost me at "my wife has a friend who has a daughter". like we have never heard that before. :roflol:




Question for all of those on this forum who know me well (Accadacca, Sombeech, Greyhair Biker, Kyrell, Iceaxe, etc):


Exactly how many teenage daughters do I have?

I know for a fact you have

































2

[rockgremlin]

I know for a fact you have 2


:lol8: Oh you lie like a rug Jaxx. Besides, I didn't list your name as "someone who knows me well."



"...let me change that. Let me buy you a Heineken."

[Last Child]

you lost me at "my wife has a friend who has a daughter". like we have never heard that before. :roflol:




Question for all of those on this forum who know me well (Accadacca, Sombeech, Greyhair Biker, Kyrell, Iceaxe, etc):


Exactly how many teenage daughters do I have?

Oops my bad there. By the time I got the the end of the op and saw how upset you were I got upset and completely forgot that Stacy wasn't your daughter.

Sorry for that!

Still though, I get so upset with people who won't take responsibility. It's totally the parents responsibility and fault here.There is no reason a high school aged child should be embarrassed about sexual talk. And why were the parents so uninvolved in the child's schooling that they didn't know what the class curriculum was/is? I know parents that do that. Whatever lesson Stacy learns from this will also be on the shoulders of the parents. I have a feeling that she will come away from this still a "prude", blaming someone else, and still afraid to, or not knowing how to, handle an uncomfortable situation so as to make it into a comfortable one.

I see so many good lessons that could be taught to Stacy here. But hey it's better to just bitch about it and try to raise hell than to take the time and interest in a child to try to really teach them something useful. :roll:

It's always someone else's fault.

Anyways....off my soapbox.

[rockgremlin]

Still though, I get so upset with people who won't take responsibility.


Totally agree here. If it were my daughter, we'd be having a sit-down. Actually, we would've had a sit down long before she was a senior in high school. While I still maintain the teacher's methods are questionable, sex is definitely something that the parents should be teaching in the home. I suppose it is possible that Stacey was appalled because of the lack of instruction in the home.

[double moo]

To paraphrase a morning radio show last week:

We mandate that our kids take several years of math in High School - most of them can't ballance a checkbook, or make correct change.

We make them take 4 years of English - and most can't speak in whole sentences or communicate without texting - let alone formulate legible thoughts in essay form.

Driver's Ed... speaks for itself.

2 years of applied sciences and most can't pick out earth on a basic solar system model... or explain the difference between mass and volume.

So please elaborate on which part of sex you think they will get right if we make them take a sex class? Maybe teen pregnancy will drop off due to all of them doing it wrong!!

[greyhair biker]

I think one thing that was glazed over here was the fact that the sex curriculum was NOT approved by the parents of the students involved. This school district has a history of not informing the parents as well as they could. They ruffle the feathers of a lot of parents. The least the district could do is to inform the parents in either a letter or meeting/PTC...anything, to get the curriculum agenda/topics/whatever so the parents can make an informed decision...not the students at the grade 7 level. The highschool has in the past sent parental consent letters home for them to sign so the student can either A. be allowed to view/study said curriculum or B. be given an alternative equal subject/study time activity to participate in and not be penalized for not taking said sex instruction. If you as a parent are not taking charge of your childs education you ARE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE. :nod:

[JP]

So please elaborate
You have some good points there :haha:

[rockgremlin]

So please elaborate on which part of sex you think they will get right if we make them take a sex class? Maybe teen pregnancy will drop off due to all of them doing it wrong!!


OH BROTHER! Are you serious? English, math, science.....are all borrrrring for teenagers. But the second you say "let's talk about sex," their ears prick right up!

Please, the teacher ASKED them what they wanted to study, and almost the entire class chose SEX. Hmmm. I wonder why they didn't choose math or science or english? Weird.

[Last Child]

I think one thing that was glazed over here was the fact that the sex curriculum was NOT approved by the parents of the students involved. This school district has a history of not informing the parents as well as they could. They ruffle the feathers of a lot of parents. The least the district could do is to inform the parents in either a letter or meeting/PTC...anything, to get the curriculum agenda/topics/whatever so the parents can make an informed decision...not the students at the grade 7 level. The highschool has in the past sent parental consent letters home for them to sign so the student can either A. be allowed to view/study said curriculum or B. be given an alternative equal subject/study time activity to participate in and not be penalized for not taking said sex instruction. If you as a parent are not taking charge of your childs education you ARE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE. :nod:

I don't think that it is the school responsibility here. It's 100% the parents. Anyone can find out what each class is going to teach simply by ASKING. But geeze that takes too much time and means parents have to get involved. Also then, the parents won't have someone else to blame.

[rockgremlin]

If you as a parent are not taking charge of your childs education you ARE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE. :nod:

I don't think that it is the school responsibility here. It's 100% the parents.


I think if we look closely, we're all on the same page for the most part.

[Last Child]

To paraphrase a morning radio show last week:

We mandate that our kids take several years of math in High School - most of them can't ballance a checkbook, or make correct change.

We make them take 4 years of English - and most can't speak in whole sentences or communicate without texting - let alone formulate legible thoughts in essay form.

Driver's Ed... speaks for itself.

2 years of applied sciences and most can't pick out earth on a basic solar system model... or explain the difference between mass and volume.

So please elaborate on which part of sex you think they will get right if we make them take a sex class? Maybe teen pregnancy will drop off due to all of them doing it wrong!!

Wow! This is the most intelligent post ever written.

I know I believe everything I hear on the morning radio talk shows. Hmmm? I wonder what kind of education it takes to have a morning talk show and talk sh!t? Just because the host made it through high school without learning anything doesn't mean "most" do the same. The problem is that kids now days are lazy and entitled. The parents are to blame.

Just like in little league sports. Everyone has to be a winner and get a trophy. Or even better yet, lets not even keep score. We don't want to hurt the little peoples feelings. We don't want to teach little Stacy that some win and some loose. That there are winners and losers in life and that if you want to be a winner then you have to work harder so that next time you will come out on top. We are raising a generation of whining, lazy, entitled, self absorbed pussies. But hey, it's the schools fault.

And hell yeah, lets not even try to teach people stuff because they probably won't learn anyway. :roll:

[Last Child]

If you as a parent are not taking charge of your childs education you ARE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE. :nod:

I don't think that it is the school responsibility here. It's 100% the parents.


I think if we look closely, we're all on the same page for the most part.

Yep, I'm with ya. I heard greyhair's comment and couldn't agree more. This is just one of those things that really gets to me. I can't stand people that won't take responsibility for their own or their child's actions and want someone else to blame. I was raised in a family like that and it is so absolutely sickening. The problem with doing that is that you never learn from your mistakes because it was never your fault to begin with.

Okay, for the second time.....off my soapbox.

[accadacca]

This thread is hilarious... :roflol: