Phelps Bogarting The Bong

[Last Child]

A word of advice to the kiddies....don't ever let anyone take pictures of you hitting the bong. :bandit2:

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Last-Child/phelpsbonghit.jpg

[DiscGo]

Between this picture and him having gotten a DUI a couple of years ago, I'd say it is too bad that he isn't a better role model.

[asdf]

or he is a normal person ... besides the fact that he is 70% fish.

[Deathcricket]

or he is a normal person ... besides the fact that he is 70% fish.

Quoted for agreement. Pot is probably better than tobacco for ya. Not saying it's good in any way though.

[Redpb]

It's for his cataract. All that chlorine in the pool plays havoc on your eyes.

[Ih8grvty]

Does anyone really care?
He is well over puberty, its not going to harm him. its much less harmful than having a beer.
I do not see what everyone is so pissy about. He smoked some wacky weed, big deal.

[DiscGo]

I don't have a problem with pot smokers, but I do believe that if people are going to be Olympic athletes representing our country and then getting millions from endorsements for being a stand up guy I would expect him to take his role as a "role model" more seriously.

That being said, I am constantly being let down by people like this. I was a little heart broken when I found out about his DUI. I just always expect a lot from people.

[Ih8grvty]

I do not see it as a let down, as I see it, a guy that happens to make millions now, went to a party and got high.
I can promise you, if I was rich, I would do the same thing, hell I am not rich and still do the same thing once in a while.
at some point, I hope to retire, when I do, you will find that weird old man that lives down the road, sitting on teh front porch, smoking a fatty.
Maybe by that day, people will grow up, get over the governments crap and the racist laws that led to its classification as illegal and repal it, make it illegal, then noone can say anything bad about me. At least not for THAT reason.
Did you know that what finally was able to make people upset enough and lead to it being declared illegal was that the government propaganda machine spit out that it led to white women having sexual relations with black men?
Its also led to me having alot of sex with women of various skin tones, and knowing a few really good people over my past.
The DUI, I agree with that, its stupid and 100% preventable. That being said if he had had a picture taken with a beer in his hand, and never gotten behind the wheel while intoxicated, noone would frown upon that. Beer is legal, pot isn't.

[DiscGo]

I feel like I come across as judgmental for saying anything so let me clarify again that I take no issue with people smoking pot. I just take issue with people who are supposed to be role models and are clearly examples to kids that have their behavior encourage those kids to break the law or experiment with drugs.


At one point in time most of my friends were pot smokers and some still are heavy pot users. I just take issue role models being bad role models.

[KapitanSparrow]

The only reason I don't smoke weed from time to time is because it is illegal, heh. I don't know where to get it and all that other crap about being careful while buying, possesing, etc. :ne_nau:

[Last Child]

I have to agree. B.F.D. Hey at least he's using a bong. :haha:

Mmmmmmmm Bong Hits!

This whole maryjane prohibition thing is a joke. It's a total waste of time, money, resources, jail space, etc. :frustrated:

As far as being a role model...I don't know man. Only if he wants to be one. Of course there will always be those who will look up to him, put him on some sort of pedestal and even try to emulate him. However, it is really up to parents to teach their kids what they want them to be taught. I don't think a person has to be considered a "role model" just because they happen to be an incredible athlete.

I remember bad boy Charles Barkley, back in the days when he used to throw guys though glass doors or windows, saying "I am not being paid to be a role model." Same is true with any athlete. Paid or not. Just because they excel in some sort of athletics does not require them to automatically be any sort of a role model.

When I get old I am going to drive around and try to find Ih8grvty toking it up on his front porch and go introduce myself.
After all....A friend with weed is a friend indeed. :mrgreen:

I'll bring the vaporizor. :naughty:

[DiscGo]

Paul McCartney is a huge advocate for legalizing marijuana because kids go to jail for doing marijuana and then get introduced to drugs which are far worse.

[denaliguide]

since when do athletes make good role models? i'm thinking micheal vick, micheal irving, charles barkley, dennis rodman. the last thing i want is for my kid to be looking at some jock as a role model. hell, our past and present presidents don't even make good role models. clinton lied, obama admitted to past drug use. you want role models then look to your parents. they are the ones that are supposed to be setting the good example for you. i know, i know, some aren't, but lots are.

and secondly, i doubt if pot could be considered a performance enhancing substance.

so he's hitting a bong, bfd. i bet he can afford the finest.

[Ih8grvty]

I feel like I come across as judgmental for saying anything so let me clarify again that I take no issue with people smoking pot. I just take issue with people who are supposed to be role models and are clearly examples to kids that have their behavior encourage those kids to break the law or experiment with drugs.


At one point in time most of my friends were pot smokers and some still are heavy pot users. I just take issue role models being bad role models.

pfffft, when I have a conversation like this on the net, I never assume that people are being judgmental or anything like that. Its impossible to convey emotion, no facial expressions, no varying tones of voice, so I just assume, we are having a conversation as adults and not just throwing crap at each other like a couple of monkeys. It takes more to offend me that anything you typed. We are all (or mostly all( adults here,I just take it for granted that we can behave and talk like adults with out being totally shitty to each other.
No worries Disco, none at all.

[Lizzard]

Anyone know where I can find the Phelps and Paris Hilton or Pamela Anderson sex tapes?

:roflol:

[DiscGo]

pfffft, when I have a conversation like this on the net, I never assume that people are being judgmental or anything like that. Its impossible to convey emotion, no facial expressions, no varying tones of voice, so I just assume, we are having a conversation as adults and not just throwing crap at each other like a couple of monkeys. It takes more to offend me that anything you typed. We are all (or mostly all( adults here,I just take it for granted that we can behave and talk like adults with out being totally shitty to each other.
No worries Disco, none at all.

Cool. And it is totally the fact that we don't have tones, facial expressions, and body language that makes me feel like I am coming across harder than I intend. Good to know that all is good. Thanks.

[Ih8grvty]

yeah I smoke, once in a while.
It may be 2 times in a month, it might be 1 time in 2 years.
I do not make a regular habit of it. I prefer to do it while backpacking, by a fire and a tent in the high (no pun intended) Unitas, under the stars with fresh brookies cooking on the fire.
I think if you do it on a regular basis, just like drinking, your an idiot.
All things in life require moderation.
In Jr High I got high for the first time. I smoked lbs upon lbs of it from then through about one or two years out of high school.
because of those experiences I do not think it should be open and easy to kids. It will or at least can screw stuff up in developing brains. I did countless drugs in the late 80s and early 90s, the list of what I didn't do is much shorter than those that I did.
that being said I am !00% against drug abuse, and think most of the substances now banned should be kept banned. pots the one exception, well OK pot and I wouldn't mind another trip through the looking glass with alice and a couple grams of shrooms.
The government lied for years about pot and its effects, independent studies show results far from what the govs results are.
This reminds me, ever see pineapple express? the first 2 minutes are fantastic! the whole movie made me laugh, but those first two minutes ....classic! Its been proven its not physically addictive (physical and mental are 2 very different things, it and nearly every substance and act on earth are possible to become mentally addicted to). It is impossible to overdose on. well impossibles a bad word, one study showed that its nearly impossible to overdose on, to overdose however you had to smoke an amazing amount, over a ton, in under 24 hours. so overdose is pretty damned unlikely.
I personally like it. if it were a legal substance Id smoke it damned near every weekend, even once in a while on week nights.
I can smoke a fatty, watch TV and go to bed, wake up fine in the morning and go to work. Hell an hour after I smoke some I can drive and am sober, try either of those with drinking.
My kids know I used to use it, and they know I am against them using it, they also know I support its legalization, or at the very least decriminalization with legalization for medical purposes.
I do not THINK they would believe I still use it occasionally.
That being said, if it were legal and regulated, and they were over say 21 because thats a nice number but I personally think it should be more like 25, I would have no problem knowing they were using it, especially if they were responsible about it, hell Id be proud to have one show up and give me a fat chronic blunt for fathers day and smoke it with me.

[asdf]

:roflol:

[Ih8grvty]

ad block :D so I missed that one! I am however glad you pointed it out, I would hate to have missed it forever.

[packfish]

Wasn't the article mainly the picture and said nothing about him actually smoking any pot? And then he came out and admitted it and made an apology. I commend him for fessing up. Most PRO athelets would have said it was flavored tabacco and then when the real truth came out made up another story like they were borrowing their high school buddies lungs so they really didn't inhale.

[catch22]

I have way more of an issue with the jackass that took the picture and then allowed to to leak out than Phelps for smoking, I could really give a damn about that. FWIW I have never and likely will never smoke pot myself, have accidentally tried some fine baked goods on a couple occasions though, you'll have that when you have a sweet tooth and attend parties with some pot smoking friends.

[Redpb]

Anyone know where I can find the Phelps and Paris Hilton or Pamela Anderson sex tapes?

:roflol:
How dare you put those two in the same sentence? Paris? F'ing Paris? Come on! I'm so disappointed in your taste for good porn.

[James_B_Wads2000]

since when do athletes make good role models? i'm thinking micheal vick, micheal irving, charles barkley, dennis rodman. the last thing i want is for my kid to be looking at some jock as a role model. hell, our past and present presidents don't even make good role models. clinton lied, obama admitted to past drug use. you want role models then look to your parents. they are the ones that are supposed to be setting the good example for you. i know, i

know, some aren't, but lots are.

and secondly, i doubt if pot could be considered a performance enhancing substance.

so he's hitting a bong, bfd. i bet he can afford the finest.
Just because he had done some drugs in the past Obama can't be a role model? That cancels out any thing else he has done?

I see you forgot that W. Used to be a drunk...

[DiscGo]

:roflol:

That ad is perfectly placed.

[abirken]

I have to agree. B.F.D. Hey at least he's using a bong. :haha:

Mmmmmmmm Bong Hits!

This whole maryjane prohibition thing is a joke. It's a total waste of time, money, resources, jail space, etc. :frustrated:

As far as being a role model...I don't know man. Only if he wants to be one. Of course there will always be those who will look up to him, put him on some sort of pedestal and even try to emulate him. However, it is really up to parents to teach their kids what they want them to be taught. I don't think a person has to be considered a "role model" just because they happen to be an incredible athlete.

I remember bad boy Charles Barkley, back in the days when he used to throw guys though glass doors or windows, saying "I am not being paid to be a role model." Same is true with any athlete. Paid or not. Just because they excel in some sort of athletics does not require them to automatically be any sort of a role model.

When I get old I am going to drive around and try to find Ih8grvty toking it up on his front porch and go introduce myself.
After all....A friend with weed is a friend indeed. :mrgreen:

I'll bring the vaporizor. :naughty:

You always say everything I want to say but better. :2thumbs: http://www.norml.org/
I don't participate in smoking it but I am all for legalizing pot. I guess I like booze too much. :lol8:

[trackrunner]

since when do athletes make good role models? i'm thinking micheal vick, micheal irving, charles barkley, dennis rodman. the last thing i want is for my kid to be looking at some jock as a role model. you want role models then look to your parents. they are the ones that are supposed to be setting the good example for you.

A big QFE!

[Don]

I have to agree. B.F.D. Hey at least he's using a bong. :haha:

Mmmmmmmm Bong Hits!

This whole maryjane prohibition thing is a joke. It's a total waste of time, money, resources, jail space, etc. :frustrated:

As far as being a role model...I don't know man. Only if he wants to be one. Of course there will always be those who will look up to him, put him on some sort of pedestal and even try to emulate him. However, it is really up to parents to teach their kids what they want them to be taught. I don't think a person has to be considered a "role model" just because they happen to be an incredible athlete.

I remember bad boy Charles Barkley, back in the days when he used to throw guys though glass doors or windows, saying "I am not being paid to be a role model." Same is true with any athlete. Paid or not. Just because they excel in some sort of athletics does not require them to automatically be any sort of a role model.

When I get old I am going to drive around and try to find Ih8grvty toking it up on his front porch and go introduce myself.
After all....A friend with weed is a friend indeed. :mrgreen:

I'll bring the vaporizor. :naughty:


Of course it would be nice if famous people were good roll models, but the world would be pretty boring...

I agree completely that marijuana should be legalized. It's only illegal because it was competition for big business (tobacco industry).
Legalize it, tax the shit out of it (money for education!) and release all prisoners with marijuana convictions (more money for education!) (And of course the prisoners only get out if marijuana was the only crime, add violence or weapons and they get to keep those crimes and sentences.)

[Don]

:roflol: Look who I found at Norml's Facebook page.

[abirken]

Repre-zentin! :roflol:

[LOAH]

If he's hittin' a bong now, the odds are that he was no stranger to the reefer before the Olympics.

It just goes to show how harmless marijuana really is if a "user" (I hate rehab words) can rise to the top of his field and dominate the world in an athletic sport. Get a grip, world.

I knew I would be able to log onto this site tonight and see someone posting about how disappointed they were to find out about the drug use of a supposed "role model". The dude is human. Who knew?

I say he can still be a good role model. Think about it; He has to condition himself extensively to be able to compete with other well conditioned people and he has the determination to be the most celebrated athlete in the recent Olympics. That's nothing to thumb your nose at.

As far as legalization,..PLEASE! Stop making the taxpaying American pay to enforce the ridiculous laws, prosecute, supervise, house, and feed these stoners that are really quite harmless to society. Hell, they even stimulate plenty of economy on their own with the music, video games, impulse novelty items, movies, soft drinks, and snack foods they constantly buy. (I know, that may be a stretch, but it happens.)

The real economic stimulus would come from the legalization and organization of the marijuana market.

As it stands, the law only catches a small percentage of stoners, a small percentage of the time (barring the few that are constantly in trouble and giving the entire culture a bad rep anyway). Therefore, they can only prosecute and generate revenue (fines, work services, etc) off a very small market of what's actually going on in the world. When these offenders are incarcerated, these fines don't even buffer the cost of housing them.

If pot was legal, the government would be in a position to legitimize the majority of the market by providing oversight and granting farmers (experienced pot farmers) permission to grow without fear of government reprisal. Allowing the distribution of marijuana to take place openly in a structured environment would allow growers to compete, making the prices go down and taking the control out of the real criminals' hands (the gangs and such that are willing to bring violence into the equation).

Now that it's being bought and sold openly (instead of underground), a tax can be placed on the product and the society as a whole can benefit from its free trade AND that tax would be generated from the entire market, rather than the few that get busted from time to time, otherwise.

In addition to what I've mentioned above, slap a minimum age (18? 21?) on its use and some other pertinent legislation (driving regulations, public use in unauthorized areas, etc) and you've got yourself a great new cash cow for the entire nation to generate revenue with.

In addition to all of THAT, it would also take funding away from the crime syndicate, and in effect, making the real criminals that much weaker.

Ah, it just seems too good to be true!

But that's only if you really think about it.

People will argue until they're blue that their children will be exposed to this horribly addictive (sarcasm there) substance that will lead to much harder drugs (the ones that should remain illegal...the toxic chemical drugs) and the nation will fall into chaos...fire and brimstone...blah, blah, blah.

Hooey!

The only reason marijuana is a gateway drug is because it's usually the first (or second...to alcohol) thing anyone gets exposed to. The world has created such a cloud of mystery around the illegal substances that once a person tries the rather benign marijuana, they can't help but realize that they've been lied to all of their lives about it (because they have been). They can only wonder then what else the world has been hiding from them.

If pot were legal for adults to enjoy, a very clear line could be drawn between what is natural and what was designed to addict and destroy.

As has been mentioned, alcohol and cigarettes are far worse for individuals and society, yet they remain legal while the faded are carted off to burn our tax money in a jail, where they are given cable TV, 3 meals hot, and a cot.

Oh yeah, Michael Phelps...World class athlete that burns. So F*cking What? It obviously doesn't affect him enough to keep him from breaking world records and winning gold medals left and right. Why should anyone even care? He's obviously not "addicted" to it, since he surely had to take a slew of drug tests to compete and marijuana takes so long to flush out.

Okay, my rant is over. Props to anyone who actually read all of that with an open mind.

[Last Child]

Of course it would be nice if famous people were good roll models, but the world would be pretty boring...

I agree completely that marijuana should be legalized. It's only illegal because it was competition for big business (tobacco industry).
Legalize it, tax the shit out of it (money for education!) and release all prisoners with marijuana convictions (more money for education!) (And of course the prisoners only get out if marijuana was the only crime, add violence or weapons and they get to keep those crimes and sentences.)

Yeah, I watched this thing on tv awhile back about pot in California. They spend over a billion dollars a year on eradication, law enforcing, prosecuting, and jailing over the ganja. With all of that it is still California's #1 cash crop at over $10 billion. With the total US home grown valued at over 35 billion. Making it the most valuable American grown commodity. More than corn, hay, and soybeans which come in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. In almost every state it ranks in at least the top 5 crops. So obviously we are failing miserably in this so called war. And for what?

Man that sure is a lot of cash. We could put a lot of people to work with that kind of taxation. We could do a hell of a lot of infrastructure work with that.

I would also say that it is not only the big business of tobacco lobbying against the herb but also the even bigger prescription drug companies. There are many many medical uses for the herb too.

It's time....LEGALIZE IT!

[Last Child]

:roflol: Look who I found at Norml's Facebook page.

Doing her part! :2thumbs: :five:

[blueeyes]

I like LOAH's idea....The real economic stimulus would come from the legalization and organization of the marijuana market.

I have only tried the stuff twice.... didn't care for it. Don't care if someone else does it.

One question.. How would you tax it if you can just grow it in your backyard?

[Last Child]

It would probably be government controlled growing. There would probably still be laws against growing. Even if that wasn't the case and you could grow your own not everyone would. Just like not everyone grows their own tobacco.

[Jaxx]

http://ohregina.com/drugsrbad.jpg

[LOAH]

Because people who smoke marijuana tend to prefer a good product. Not everyone with a backyard will be able to grow it well enough to satisfy their preferences.

Just like tomatoes, it takes a green thumb to make it worthwhile. We're all allowed to grow our own produce, yet we still end up going to the market because in truth, not too many people are actually very good at supplying themselves with enough goods to last very long.

There's actually a lot involved with making a good product and there are a lot of variables that contribute to whether or not you've got a viable crop.

Connoisseurs seem to prefer a seedless or nearly seedless bud since more of the plant's productive energy is focused on creating the coveted cannabinoid oils rather than seeds. To achieve such standards, it is best to have as much control of the variables (exposure to light, temperature, pollen, pests, soil and/or potting medium conditions and nutrients, etc). The best way to control the variables is to grow indoors, using hydroponics.

Now your average "Joe Stoner" probably isn't going to have the slightest clue how to ensure maximum yield of fine goods in his closet, so he'll probably still turn toward the market for his stash, as he always did.

I can't say that I agree with the idea that the tobacco companies would oppose the legalization of marijuana. In fact, I believe they would be in a great position to turn a dime from it. They already have the business connections for the distribution chains, packaging equipment, and monetary resource to obtain the necessary elements for mass production.

You can't tell me that there isn't a corporate fat cat plan to ensure every convenience store is well stocked with "Marlboro Greens". :ne_nau:

Everybody wins when we legalize freedom.

[LOAH]

Oops, double post.

(I'm not high...honest!) :lol8:

[Iceaxe]

They should legalize all drugs and then tax the shit out of them. They should also make you register to use many of the drugs that are currently classed as illegal....

This would reduce crime, eliminate a large part of organized crime and gangs. You could use the tax money to fund rehab programs. I can't believe the idiots that run our government are not smart enough to figure this out....

:soapbox:

[Ih8grvty]

I like LOAH's idea....The real economic stimulus would come from the legalization and organization of the marijuana market.

I have only tried the stuff twice.... didn't care for it. Don't care if someone else does it.

One question.. How would you tax it if you can just grow it in your backyard?

If you have an answer, i never saw it, I stopped reading and started typing before reading further.

You wouldn't be able to just grow it in your yard, or your closet lined in tin foil and grow lights like I did in high school (my mom SHIT when she went in my room and opened the closet to see why there was a odd light emanating from it, 6 foot high plants strong and green and doing far better than any house plant she ever had) Growing would require a license and registration with the state, or city or county or what ever.
To grow it would be a good market, many farmers would switch especially since its so easy to grow, it got the name weed for a reason ya know.
To grow you would need gov approval, and major farmers would have to agree to keep so many other crops instead of a direct swap, otherwise you would find a run on corn and other veggies as no one would grow them anymore.
That solves the growers problem and of course you have to pay for the license to grow. Now you take it to a special market to turn it in, a gov market. You are paid for it, and taxed on it. The government then distributes it to the public.
Say each adult over a specific age is allowed to possess 3 grams a month.
You buy stamps that are each equal to a quarter gram. You go to a state owned store, much like we do in utah for booze and turn in the stamps for your pot.
the state buys it form the feds, you buy it from the state with a additional tax from the state placed on it.
Now processing pot isn't free, you made jobs by opening processing and packaging plants. You always know because it comes form the regulated processing plants that its not laced, its not dirt weed and it does not have to be stored in a bag with orange peels for a week because its fresh an not dried out and would go up in a poof of smoke instead of a slow burn.
that is more jobs created! in addition to that you could buy a license to grow for home use only, say 3 plants at a time. Now the seeds are being sold at walmart, seed producers and packagers, new jobs.
Head shops become mainstream,new jobs. punishments for actual drugs double. the prisons empty out all pot smokers, taxes drop as we do not have to house some kid for 20 years that got caught with a fatty in his ashtray when he got pulled over for speeding.
New laws come into effect, driving while high is another DUI. At present time there are saliva tests that can detect its use if its been used in the last 2 hours or so. This solves the is he high now or did he use last weekend problem.
Its still illegal to use at work on school grounds, while driving, ect.
Some of the taxes made while the gov gets into selling pot goes to drug treatment programs, all that money spent on fighting it? it goes to fighting real drugs, and real criminals.
You want to smoke it? your of age? go buy your stamps and turn them in at a state store. You control the amount each person can legally use as your only allowed to get so many stamps per month. your name goes on a list, how many stamps you get are controlled, breaking those laws results in misdemeanors. all present laws on booze now apply to MJ. a pilot can not smoke with in 12 hours of flying, same for doctors. BTW, the use of it drops off drastically in a few years.
fewer people use instead of more. Amsterdam is proof of this.
less and less f the people there use it and its legal. few adults, mostly younger people and tourists are the main users and problems like meth? in a recent study people there have never heard of it, and its not been found at all in that society. Heroin is treated as a addiction disease, pot and shrooms and hash are legal and taxed.
Bakers would have a whole new line of products and goods to sell, new recipe books are printed and written.
I get to go camping and not worry about some ranger smelling my fagot one burning and hauling me 15 miles back to the road on a horse to send me to prison.

Ok, I shall stop fantasizing now but my ideas (ok not mine but others I have adopted as my own) can work, money can be made, the economy can be given a booster shot and people can be happy.
Medical uses can jump and studies can begin legally with out fear in its uses.

[Last Child]

Speaking of growing your own. :haha:

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww232/Last-Child/PONICS.jpg

[donny h]

Nice bong.





















I'd hit it. :banana: :banana: :banana:

[denaliguide]

Just because he had done some drugs in the past Obama can't be a role model?

he lays the fly on the water. he waits. the fish rises and BANG! fish on.

sometimes its just so easy its not even fun. :roflol: :roflol:

and if obama can be a role model after drug use so could phelps.

[LOAH]

Ih8grvty:

I'm glad you're on the wagon, so to speak, but getting the government too involved would be a bad thing. Stamps? 3 grams a month?

Hell, back in my real burning days, 3 grams wouldn't even last an evening between friends.

Placing all the restrictions on it would only encourage people to keep it underground. Call whatever you want "responsible use", but nobody that smokes will stick to 3 grams per month.

Aside from observational oversight and taxation, government wouldn't need to get involved. The taxation wouldn't even necessarily require much involvement, depending on how it was taxed. A sales tax is already in place for most places and that affects all commercial purchases. Marijuana would fall into that category already. It would generate revenue for the nation automatically in those states. Given its special nature, additional taxes may be implemented as in tobacco and alcohol.

The legalization of marijuana is about reclaiming a freedom that has been ripped from The People, not asking permission.

The FDA already has its fingers in the produce and the drug industries, so no additional agencies would need to sprout up...possibly a few more inspectors though.

Quality assurance wouldn't be much of an issue since it would be a consumer run industry anyway. The people growing would have to be highly skilled to keep afloat in the market (barring a gov't bailout :roll: ) since the consumer base will only tolerate good product.

[Ih8grvty]

Ih8grvty:

I'm glad you're on the wagon, so to speak, but getting the government too involved would be a bad thing. Stamps? 3 grams a month?

Hell, back in my real burning days, 3 grams wouldn't even last an evening between friends.

Placing all the restrictions on it would only encourage people to keep it underground. Call whatever you want "responsible use", but nobody that smokes will stick to 3 grams per month.

Aside from observational oversight and taxation, government wouldn't need to get involved. The taxation wouldn't even necessarily require much involvement, depending on how it was taxed. A sales tax is already in place for most places and that affects all commercial purchases. Marijuana would fall into that category already. It would generate revenue for the nation automatically in those states. Given its special nature, additional taxes may be implemented as in tobacco and alcohol.

The legalization of marijuana is about reclaiming a freedom that has been ripped from The People, not asking permission.

The FDA already has its fingers in the produce and the drug industries, so no additional agencies would need to sprout up...possibly a few more inspectors though.

Quality assurance wouldn't be much of an issue since it would be a consumer run industry anyway. The people growing would have to be highly skilled to keep afloat in the market (barring a gov't bailout :roll: ) since the consumer base will only tolerate good product.

See i think differently.
The long term goal is to get it legal.
the short is to do what it takes to make that happen.
The more control over it, the more likely it is to happen.
There was a time in oh about 87 to 91, I smoked out a half daily by myself. I know 3 is a small portion per month, but you have to start someplace, and honestly, I pulled all numbers outta my ass, they were not the model for what is fair or right, just a starting point to discuss.
People have been fed propaganda for so long that most of them have no idea the real effects or how safe it honestly is. If you set up a system that regulates it, I think more people are likely to give it a shot. You can always push for less regulation later on.
In my more recent past, a half oz (by the way I was thinking oz, I do not know why I typed gram, a gram is about 2 paper clips in weight that wont last anyone for more than a night and only a couple of hours at that) would last me for a month. I didnt do it all day each day, and some nights I skipped it entirely, some stormy weekends I sat in my house and smoked out from a wake and bake till I assed out (assed not passed, no typo there) that night after watching several movies and working around the house all day. Some times while camping from right after eating breakfast till bed and hiking and fishing all day long.Nothing as great as a 5 mile hike ripped to the gills looking at deep pines and rivers and deer.
I do not pretend to even think my idea is the only one or even the best one. Just a starting point to illustrate that it can be done effectively and safely.
I use even less now days than prior, if it were legal Id use more. an oz for each person (myself and wife) would do us for a long time, 3 oz a month? I would have a stash for when I coudl'nt afford it or when the line was too long and I was too lazy to stand in it.
Im greedy man, just thinking of myself.

[Iceaxe]

he lays the fly on the water. he waits. the fish rises and BANG! fish on.

:roflol:

[Last Child]

I think that I have to agree with gravity here. The goal would be to get it legalized first. I honestly don

[JP]

I'd say it is too bad that he isn't a better role model.
He's an athlete, he is good at what he does. He didn't ask to be a "Roll Model". People threw into that category without even asking him. If parents did a better job being parents, they wouldn't need to look elsewhere for better role models for their kids.

[KapitanSparrow]

I'd say it is too bad that he isn't a better role model.
He's an athlete, he is good at what he does. He didn't ask to be a "Roll Model". People threw into that category without even asking him. If parents did a better job being parents, they wouldn't need to look elsewhere for better role models for their kids.

True that. We can't expect athletes to be role models. If any group should be expected to be role models, it should be the politicians :roflol:

[packfish]

Did anyone catch the show last night about Pot and a major part of it was growing in Medicino Cty CA ? 60% of the people in that county have something to do with the industry- 1 household was leaving because there are 12 large gardens in their neighborhood. 50% of all fires in the county were directly related to indoor growing. It really was an interesting show .

[Deathcricket]

What show? I'll try and DVR it when they repeat it.

[stefan]

Did anyone catch the show last night about Pot and a major part of it was growing in Medicino Cty CA ? 60% of the people in that county have something to do with the industry- 1 household was leaving because there are 12 large gardens in their neighborhood. 50% of all fires in the county were directly related to indoor growing. It really was an interesting show .

that would be mendocino ... mendocino and humboldt counties are california's biggest producers of marijuana ... they're also the biggest logging counties in california ... remote land, long growing season, temperate climate, sufficient rainfall

[packfish]

It was on cable last night- channel 23 to me---- one of the cable news channels- I'll see if I can find it. The guy that told of the millions upon millions he smuggled into the US and how he did it was really good.
He did get caught and spent 9 years in prison though it looked liked he had stored a lot of $$$ off shore some where. He got caught because he wrote everything down about the operation and left the book in Dennys when he went for breakfast 1 day.

[blueeyes]

It was on cable last night- channel 23 to me---- one of the cable news channels- I'll see if I can find it. The guy that told of the millions upon millions he smuggled into the US and how he did it was really good.
He did get caught and spent 9 years in prison though it looked liked he had stored a lot of $$$ off shore some where. He got caught because he wrote everything down about the operation and left the book in Dennys when he went for breakfast 1 day.


That breakfast gave him indegestion.

[packfish]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28354324/

[Last Child]

It was on cable last night- channel 23 to me---- one of the cable news channels- I'll see if I can find it. The guy that told of the millions upon millions he smuggled into the US and how he did it was really good.
He did get caught and spent 9 years in prison though it looked liked he had stored a lot of $$$ off shore some where. He got caught because he wrote everything down about the operation and left the book in Dennys when he went for breakfast 1 day.


That breakfast gave him indegestion.

:haha:

[packfish]

[
that would be mendocino ... mendocino and humboldt counties are california's biggest producers of marijuana ... they're also the biggest logging counties in california ... remote land, long growing season, temperate climate, sufficient rainfall[/quote]

It wasn't in the back hill country- it was in homes, yards, underground buildings. The remote mt's were controlled by the Mexican cartel

[Ih8grvty]

[
that would be mendocino ... mendocino and humboldt counties are california's biggest producers of marijuana ... they're also the biggest logging counties in california ... remote land, long growing season, temperate climate, sufficient rainfall

It wasn't in the back hill country- it was in homes, yards, underground buildings. The remote mt's were controlled by the Mexican cartel[/quote]

One more reason to go legal. If it were legal, Noone would have to hide it, there would be no future in it for the mexican cartels (or any other cartel)

[Deathcricket]

I actually know a guy that quit his job to grow hydroponic mary J. He was only making 3k a month because the medical license only allows 3 plants. But then he got his GF to move and then got 2 supposed "roomates" and makes quite a bit o cash now. Completely legal medical grade, lol. If I still lived in Ca, I would be all over this.

Regardless, I found that story fascinating. Thanks for posting it.

[Ih8grvty]

All right, everyone who views this now owes me.
I told you item nine earlier?
Come hither and watch children, come hither.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euEcDv6vLXE&feature=related

Oh and uhhh probably best if its not viewed with children.

[Last Child]

I actually know a guy that quit his job to grow hydroponic mary J. He was only making 3k a month because the medical license only allows 3 plants. But then he got his GF to move and then got 2 supposed "roomates" and makes quite a bit o cash now. Completely legal medical grade, lol. If I still lived in Ca, I would be all over this.

Regardless, I found that story fascinating. Thanks for posting it.

3 Plants of medical grade should bring in more than $1000 each. Indica plants on average will yield approximately 1.5 pounds. Sativa plants (my preferred) on the other hand will average a yield of 3.0 pounds or more but take a little longer to mature because they can grow to be much bigger. That is why you will find more Indica type high quality weed now days. It matures quicker and is shorter so it is easier to grow indoors. Anyway I would think that they should be getting at least $1500/lb for anything that would be considered "high" quality and that would be considered cheap. $2500/lb is more realistic. But maybe since it is for the medical field they don't pay as much as the "stoners" do. :ne_nau:

[Deathcricket]

Hehe. I don't know the details sorry. My guess would be he got more than that for the plants but they took longer than a month to grow a decent size? All I know is he had converted his entire 3 car garage into an amazing grow area. He even had them sealed off so he could pump C02 or something in every 2-3 hours from these huge tanks. He pointed to a column and said "these 3 plants are mine, these next 3 are Cynthias, etc, etc". Then mentioned that each one pulls in 3k/ a month but they were only allowed 3 plants per license. He keeps all the money but lets his buddies live there rent free w/utilities and performs all the labor growing the product. So his roomates were happy to live in a huge house for free, and he was able to cover all expenses. Win/win.

At the time I was more interested in checking out his new R32 and probably should have paid more attention.
:ne_nau:

[Last Child]

Hehe. I don't know the details sorry. My guess would be he got more than that for the plants but they took longer than a month to grow a decent size? All I know is he had converted his entire 3 car garage into an amazing grow area. He even had them sealed off so he could pump C02 or something in every 2-3 hours from these huge tanks. He pointed to a column and said "these 3 plants are mine, these next 3 are Cynthias, etc, etc". Then mentioned that each one pulls in 3k/ a month but they were only allowed 3 plants per license. He keeps all the money but lets his buddies live there rent free w/utilities and performs all the labor growing the product. So his roomates were happy to live in a huge house for free, and he was able to cover all expenses. Win/win.

At the time I was more interested in checking out his new R32 and probably should have paid more attention.
:ne_nau:

Oh yeah. 3k a month. I read that wrong. That would be about right then. Wow what a great job. :mrgreen:

Hey! If I were to send him some seeds do you think he'd grow them for me? :naughty: I think I still have a few of some killer sticky red hair bud that I bought when I was living in Oregon. :haha:

[packfish]

Co2 promotes leaf growth but does little for THC content . Years ago I watched leafs sprout almost in front of my eyes. But it's that bud that's all important.

[donny h]

Indica plants on average will yield approximately 1.5 pounds. Sativa plants (my preferred) on the other hand will average a yield of 3.0 pounds or more but take a little longer to mature because they can grow to be much bigger.

Using cloning methods (Sea of Green), the yield drops to 1 ounce per plant, but the turnaround is much faster, and the clones take up much less space, 40 mature clones will fit on an 8'x8' flood table.

40 plants at 1 ounce each is 40 ounces, a mere 4 crops a year is 160 ounces or 10 pounds.

Wholesale at 3k per pound, that's 30K per year, and an 8'x8' table fits in one small bedroom.

A grower who knows his stuff can do Sea of Green in such a way that harvests happen every two weeks, and that would boost the annual gross income off that same table to 195K.






It's no wonder that pot is the number one industry in NorCal.

[Last Child]

I have never seen the "sea of green" method but I think I understand it. My friend in Oregon did clone but he grew the clones to full sized plants so as to get those huge colas.

Man all this weed talk is giving me the hankering for a hunk of skunk. I best be avoiding this topic or I am going to be finding myself with a major case of the munchies. :nod: :mrgreen:

[LOAH]

So what's with the windows in that video clip (Item 9)? Aren't they supposed to be underground?

(It was funny though.) :haha:

[Ih8grvty]

So what's with the windows in that video clip (Item 9)? Aren't they supposed to be underground?

(It was funny though.) :haha:

It was the underground testing to decide the legal illegal aspect of mary jane.
It had NOTHING to do wit the movie, but it was funny

[LOAH]

Oh, I know that. I just looks like about :33 into the clip, there are windows. Brightly lit windows.

It just struck me as odd, that's all.

[Last Child]

I don't think that those were windows. I think that they were actually lights that look like windows. :ne_nau:

On a side and unrelated note, other than he was in this movie, but I have been a pretty big James Remar fan ever since the Warriors. :2thumbs:

[Ih8grvty]

I don't think that those were windows. I think that they were actually lights that look like windows. :ne_nau:

On a side and unrelated note, other than he was in this movie, but I have been a pretty big James Remar fan ever since the Warriors. :2thumbs:

Does this mean you often walk around subways threatening to turn people into Popsicle?

[Last Child]

I don't think that those were windows. I think that they were actually lights that look like windows. :ne_nau:

On a side and unrelated note, other than he was in this movie, but I have been a pretty big James Remar fan ever since the Warriors. :2thumbs:

Does this mean you often walk around subways threatening to turn people into Popsicle?

:haha:

Yeah and I always get tired of running from wimps. You know how it is.

[Ih8grvty]

The scene with the bat, the one with the broken bottles on teh fingers... I shall never forget those, I do not think Iv seen that movie since it was on HBO in the late 70s over and over and over.
I grew tired of watching it, had now forgotten about it, but that instantly lept to my mind when I read your post.
Now I shall have to go steal that movie, I mean uhhmmm go see if its available for rent at block buster

[Last Child]

The scene with the bat, the one with the broken bottles on teh fingers... I shall never forget those, I do not think Iv seen that movie since it was on HBO in the late 70s over and over and over.
I grew tired of watching it, had now forgotten about it, but that instantly lept to my mind when I read your post.
Now I shall have to go steal that movie, I mean uhhmmm go see if its available for rent at block buster

I have it on DVD. My wife hates it, I quess I can understand why, so I can only watch it when she is not around. One of my all time favorites. My friends and I must have got baked and rented it a hundred times. On Beta no less :haha:

Warriors, come out to playeeaaay! :rockon:

[Scott Card]

Well, I just got hired to represent and visit an inmate who is in jail for marijuana and paraphernalia. Seems he has lost motivation and dropped out of school. Seems that jail has given him his wake up call and is now wanting something different. Just reminds me why they call this stuff "dope". I haven't seen anyone get smarter by using it. Helmet is on, flame on y'all. :flamer: :nod:

[Last Child]

You are a helmet! :mrgreen:

The only people I have seen get "demotivated" by smoking herb are those already prone to that type of behavior and I have been around it for over 30 years. I know way too many people who toke who are very motivated, graduated high school, got college degrees, hold down jobs etc. I know engineers, doctors, and yes even a couple of lawyers. So that argument doe not hold up. It is just a long standing scare tactic. I have never seen anyone who was motivated and had potential not progress in life because they toke. Never. I have seen many losers fall behind. But they were losers to begin with.

Hell I smoked heavily all through high school and college. It was "high" school for me. Every day all day long. I graduated with good grades. I have had great experiences with every company that I have ever worked for. Well except my dad. But he didn't judge me on performance until he fired me and then would realize how valuable I was and would hire me back. He did that 3 times thinking he was teaching me a lesson, I'm sure. What a dork. One company that I worked for knew that I was a toker and new that I smoked on the job. My boss didn't care. Of course this was in Oregon. In two years time I got promoted and pay raises to where I surpassed their longest hired employee of 10 years. Many were pissed. My boss simply said one day in a company meeting that when "they" could perform to my level then they would be paid the same. That shut them up for good. Problem was, they were not as motivated and did not want to put in the time that I did. Even lit up I could work circles around these guys. They were of the mind set that "because I have worked here longer I should be paid more". Well I had another argument and presented it to my boss and he agreed with me. More work per hour equals more pay per hour. There is even much more to this story but no need.

Of course herb doesn

[JP]

I haven't seen anyone get smarter by using it.
Me either :haha: But, just like a drunk would tell ya, they drive better hammered :roflol:

[fouristhenewone]

Using cloning methods (Sea of Green), the yield drops to 1 ounce per plant, but the turnaround is much faster, and the clones take up much less space, 40 mature clones will fit on an 8'x8' flood table.
40 plants at 1 ounce each is 40 ounces, a mere 4 crops a year is 160 ounces or 10 pounds.
Wholesale at 3k per pound, that's 30K per year, and an 8'x8' table fits in one small bedroom.
A grower who knows his stuff can do Sea of Green in such a way that harvests happen every two weeks, and that would boost the annual gross income off that same table to 195K.


I am at work, so I can't link ya, but if your not familiar with it already, check out the Scrogbox, or Screen of Green methods. Fantastic results.