UFC 87 Anyone?

[JP]

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It's on :popcorn:

All I can say is, Lesner MANHANDLED Herring. There is no other way to describe that domination :2thumbs:

[Kent K25]

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It's on :popcorn:

All I can say is, Lesner MANHANDLED Herring. There is no other way to describe that domination :2thumbs:

He manhandled him and made a fool of himself to finish it off. I don't mind guys being cocky and proud, but you don't disrespect your opponent after the fight the way he did. You're not in the WWE anymore bro.

GSP had a great fight with Fitch and when it was over showed him tons of respect. Now that's a good fighter. He controlled the whole fight but didn't act like he was the greatest thing on earth when it was over.

[SLCmntjunkie]

Lesner got in a great punch and then laid on top of him the entire time, the most boring fight of the night. Lesner had his back for a majority of the time and didn't even go for a choke or do anything to try and end the fight.

Now GSP dominated. Fitch is one tough dude, I can't believe he stayed conscious after some of the shots he took. Overall it was a great night of fights, even the undercard bouts were really good.

[JP]

Fool or no fool, there are many fighters that do it. I don't agree with it, but it happens. And it's gotta be a rewarding thing to dominate such a veteran of the ring and only your third fight in the UFC. As far as ending him quickly, why? What the hell would have that proven? He went the full three rounds and control the action the entire time. His size, strength, quickness and wrestling skills were very apparent there. Staying the entire three rounds as the aggressor and the dominator over a legit fighter speaks volumes to his up and coming opponents. And as far as that one punch; it was the same kind of punch that did the exact same thing to Mir, knocked him off his feet. That speaks volumes when you think that both fighters that were knocked off their feet are 250lb fighters. And for a fighter that was punched "once" Herrings face seemed to be completely swollen by the end of the fight, not to mention the knees to the ribs, those puppies gotta to be pretty sore this morning.

The ST. Pierre fight went the way I figured it would and does continue to show that Fitch has one hell of a heart. He wasn't able to get things going for himself, hats of to GSP for that.

I wasn't impressed with Florian. He didn't even have that killer instinct in the ring this time, almost like he was scared. He was no aggressor in that fight ad my hats off to Huerta to pushing it. That fight lacked the explosion it was docked up to be and that was thanks to Florian. He won backpedaling that fight, that was boring. Florian won, but impressive it wasn't. I hate when fighters back away from their opponents just like when a boxer, hugs their opponent the entire fight. For Florian running his mouth as such a bad arse (which he is), he showed in this fight he was scared. To bad Huerta didn't recognize that, if there is a second fight between the two, I believe Huerta will be on top.

[SLCmntjunkie]

I didnt say he was punched once, I said he got 1 great shot in, Lesner had just enough strikes on the ground to keep the ref from standing them up. Sure it's impressive that he came into the UFC and won a fight, but laying on top of a guy for 3 rounds and not taking advantage of opportunities to end a fight is not, it's just boring. Why end the fight? because that is the whole point, maybe you like decisions but I don't

I didn't say he should end it early either, he should just try to end it at some time, which he didn't. He didn't posture up and try to ground and pound him and he didn't try any submissions. He was not impressive to me. Initially I thought Frank Mir got lucky but after last night I don't.

His antics were ridiculous though, I can see getting pumped up but pointing and laughing at the guy? He's bad for the sport, a lot of people who aren't familiar with MMA thinks it's fake like wrestling and him acting the way he did won't help that at all.

Florian wasn't impressive, he definitely won but played it safe the entire third round.

[JP]

Why end the fight? because that is the whole point, maybe you like decisions but I don't

He didn't posture up and try to ground and pound him and he didn't try any submissions. He was not impressive to me. Initially I thought Frank Mir got lucky but after last night I don't.

He's bad for the sport, a lot of people who aren't familiar with MMA thinks it's fake like wrestling and him acting the way he did won't help that at all.
The whole point to a fight is to win and if you could show complete domination over the entire time period and having your opponent to where they cannot do a single thing is letting the rest of the class understand what is in store for future fights. Yes, he could of postured up, but he chose not to. Ground and pound is what he did, he just didn't posture up.

Mir is not "lucky" with his submissions. He is probably one of the only heavyweights that is gifted when it comes to his ability to submit people. I had a feeling that was the way he was going to win his fight over Lesner, it wasn't gonna be a decision for Mir, nor was Mir knocking him out. Mir's forte is submissions and he is great with them, not lucky. If you heard Mir's comments after the fight, he attempted to go for the arms, but was unable to, he knew the leg was his only bet and set it up nicely. Lesner was too wound up to see that coming. Mir is a pretty cocky guy (which he has every right to be) and he finds ways to talk a fighter's ability down. He must have some serious respect for Lesner, because even after beating him, he stays away from being negative about Lesner. I saw a different Lesner in the ring, one who was a little more composed and one that knew his opponent was a very capable fighter. He lacked that when going against Mir. He just figured he was going to steamroll over Mir. That loss may have done him a favor and to respect the ability of others.

Even people who do not watch MMA fights all that often, are not going to think it's fake. I do see people not liking Lesner because he was in the WWE and his size. So, here is a "fake" wrestler (even though he was at the top of the wrestling game in college) walking into the MMA world and MANHANDLING people. We're not talking small guys either, 250+ pounders. What you may fail to see is a person that is driven by competition and could not satisfy that once he left college. He walked away from million dollar contracts with the WWE, because it wasn't real competition, it didn't satisfy his competitive drive. Couture needed to satisfy his drive for competition as well as Fitch and quite a few others. They're not there for the money as sooo many are. They need to satisfy that drive for competition and to continue to push themselves. As far as Lesner being bad for the sport, I think he will bring in some that would never have watched MMA fights. If he does that, he's bringing more in, which will educate the new and be good for the sport.

Listening to Herring in his pre-fight interview was pretty amusing and it didn't seem he was taking this "fake" wrestler seriously. He fought bigger, stronger, better wrestlers... Watching that fight, you definitely wouldn't think so.

So, who's next for Lesner? Let's face it, his fights will end up on the ground and he will fall back to his wrestling skills. Who will be able to get out from under him? Who will be able to stop that explosiveness that leads people to their backs? It will be a thing to see and I still believe his inexperience will cost him in some of his fights to come, but as he continues to train in the MMA community and fight, he will eventually become a force for anyone to reckon with. He might already be that now. Time will tell.

[SLCmntjunkie]

You can say whatever you want about him, it was a boring fight. Something is wrong when a guy dominates a fight, it goes 3 rounds and they only have one punch to show during the highlights (they did show him knee herring in the back in one highlight). If I wanted to watch a guy get mounted from behind for 15 minutes I'd watch gay porn.

There is a reason there isn't a "real" profesional wrestling league, it's boring.

[Deathcricket]

So, who's next for Lesner? Let's face it, his fights will end up on the ground and he will fall back to his wrestling skills. Who will be able to get out from under him? Who will be able to stop that explosiveness that leads people to their backs? It will be a thing to see and I still believe his inexperience will cost him in some of his fights to come, but as he continues to train in the MMA community and fight, he will eventually become a force for anyone to reckon with. He might already be that now. Time will tell.

Totally agreed!

First. I really enjoyed the fight. I thought it was great and not boring at all. The kenny fight though i was yawning. I picked brock to win also (see http://www.bogley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10430 ) but thought he was going to finish the fight by TKO. Some of my observations.

1. Super strong and really quick for his size. The opening "flying knee" he threw out was amazing. He looked like one of the 165 pounders doing that. And of course the big punch he did land not only knocked the guy on his booty, but rolled him back and over. Shockingly beautiful.
2. Great fitness level. He looked a bit tired towards the end of round 3 but for a heavyweight he didnt seem to be "winded" like most people his size do.
3. He needs a huge boost in the technical level. With his strength and size going for him, his technique sucked. I think it's normal since he is so new to the sport. But he didn't really have a game plan once he got his opponent to the mat and even a full mount. His wrestling definately helped him control the flow, but he needs to go the next step. I could almost picture him saying "ok I got him here, now what?". I think his size is a hunderance for him doing the couple chokes he did try. His arms are just too big to get to the windpipe and arteries. If he can perfect hsi ground and pound, he will be a force to be reconned with. I really think he could force and armbar since he has so much torque and leverage going for him. If I was his trainer I would have him learn a couple "finishing moves" for his next fight.

[JP]

Something is wrong when a guy dominates a fight

There is a reason there isn't a "real" profesional wrestling league, it's boring.
I guess you never wrestled.

We'll see. I predicted he will draw a huge fan base no matter how boring you say it is :nod:


Totally agreed!

First. I really enjoyed the fight. I thought it was great and not boring at all. The kenny fight though i was yawning.

1. Super strong and really quick for his size....
2. Great fitness level. He looked a bit tired towards the end of round 3 but for a heavyweight he didnt seem to be "winded" like most people his size do.
3. He needs a huge boost in the technical level.... I think it's normal since he is so new to the sport.
But he didn't really have a game plan once he got his opponent to the mat and even a full mount. His wrestling

I think his size is a hunderance for him doing the couple chokes he did try. His arms are just too big to get to the windpipe and arteries. If he can perfect hsi ground and pound, he will be a force to be reconned with.

I would have him learn a couple "finishing moves" for his next fight.
Agreed; that Florian fight was boring, I thought Huerta needed a pillow for some of that.

1. Agree
2. Agree
3. Agree on his needing to still work on his technical skills outside of his very impressive wrestling ones. He is training everyday, which is a good thing to hear. His game plan was basically to do what he did. His arms are not too big to choke somebody out :haha: Herring defended that somewhat, if he continued attempting the choke, fatigue would have set in on Herring and a choke could have happened. As far as posturing up and raining down those fists and elbows, he very well could have...Herring just gave up his back to prevent that exact scenario. And again, he's training other aspects of the MMA world, time will tell :2thumbs: