Anyone want a dog?

[Deathcricket]

This might seem a little weird to post this. I want to get rid of one of my dogs, but also want to get make sure he goes to a nice home. This seems to be a great community so I'll try here first. If not then I'll check ksl.com or something like that I guess...

My dog's name is Dexter. He's a very good dog and is about 3 years old and 11 lbs. The breed is called a piebald minature daschshund. He's super cuddly and loves people, other dogs, even cats.

I guess before I go into why he's a good dog I guess I should say why we're getting rid of him. He hates small children. He's not bitten my child (yet) but he growls and barks at our new son. Our Jack Rusell does just fine being poked prodded and sat upon, but this guy is not into it. I've tried beating him when he growls, pushing him away, giving him timeouts, having my child sit on him (and other dominating tactics), but am at my whits end. Even though he's a little dog, if he ever where to bite my child I don't think he would survive the incident. So having tried for about 10 months to remedy the situation, we've just decided to get rid of him and get a more kid friendly dog instead.

He also has a smaller problem that is livable, but I just want whoever has this dog to have full disclosure. For some strange reason, whenever guests come over, they look at him and say "what a cute little doggie" and reach down to pet him. He gets scared and pee's. I've also been unable to break him of this but I just tell guests as soon as they come in to ignore the dog and not touch him for 5 mins and he's fine. Just for some reason when they 1st come in the door it's a problem.

So anyways, other than the dealbreaker which is hating children. He loves adults and older kids fine. It would also be good if you have another dog, he really gets along with ours and I would hate to see him alone. He's also a AKC purebred with papers, but being neutered I guess not such a big deal. Status maybe? :P It does show his bloodline which is very interesting. He has his dew claws removed and "the chip" implanted, just in case. He also is a good little hiker despite his small size. And he's obedient enough that I leave him off lease pretty much anywhere except when walking on sidewalks in town. He's also what I would call a "lapdog" he'll sit on your lap all night and watch tv with ya no problem at all. He would probably sleep in our bed with us if we let him, lol. He also has all his shots. He did have a dental checkup about 2 months ago and had to have a tooth pulled. It seemed odd a dog only 3 years old would have a rotten tooth but he checked out fine otherwise. Might be a breed thing?

So anyways..


1. No kids under lets say 10.
2. He needs a backyard of some sort. He likes to lay in the sun in the AM. If you live in an apartment and are going to leave him cooped up all day he won't be happy.
3. Another dog (or dogs) would be good (but not required). He and our Jack are best buddies.
4. Free to a good home. I'm in the St. george area but maybe can meet ya half way if you live far. I'm hoping for a St George location since he doesn't like snow that much. He only has 1 inch of clearance and I can understand not wanting your weener dipping in the snow.

Here's some pics I took about 10 mins ago. I'm just really concerned finding him the right place to live where he'll be happy. Send me a PM or post here and maybe we can work something out?

Edit: Oh yeah and if you live next to shlingdawg and want something to annoy him, he's your dog!

Just kidding, he only barks when someone knocks on the door.

[Jaxx]

Cute dog. I hope my wife does't see this 2 is enough. Hope he finds a good home. Good luck.

[abirken]

AWWWWWWWWW..........he is sooooooo cute. Sorry to hear he's not that great with kids b/c I would CONSIDER it. But then I have a very chaotic house with 3 cats, 4 birds and my two boys. Not to mention, we have snow here in the mountains. I wonder if he wouldn't be best with maybe an older couple or person that has a very mellow household??? Maybe check with a retirement community? Good luck Dexter!! :nod:

[sparker1]

No need to check with this retirement community. The grand-kids, ya know?

[Deathcricket]

Hehe, I guess I should clarify a couple things just a little. He's not agrressive, he won't attack or something like that. Just for some reason when infants or small children come up to him and start pulling his ears or pinching him is when he gets aggro. You know how little kids are, then aren't exactly "nice" when playing. In my opinion a dog should not growl or bark, even when being "abused" (for lack of a better word) by an infant. I'm sure the baby probably pulled his ear too hard or did something to instigate the bad feelings in the first place. But I would rather have a dog that "yelps" ouch instead of a dog that "growls" GTF away from me you little *&#$@%^.
:haha:

I was actually thinking an older couple would be good too. As long as the grandkids are older there would be no troubles. Maybe 10 was a little old. My nephew is 7 and they get along perfect. But for sure no one under 5. Infants who aren't exactly "nice" is what need to stay way from him. But if they were to visit, just put him in the backyard or his kennel. That's what we do.

And lastly snow is not a dealbreaker, he just can't go out in it. But that's pretty much true for all little dogs under 10 lbs I would guess. He's 11 lbs, but it's all his length. He's a low rider for sure.

I guess I will try the want ads, if you guys have any other ideas on where I could find him a good home, I'm totally open to advice. My last resort would be like a no kill animal shelter. I'm sure he'll get snatched up pretty quick being such a rare purebred. No one can resist the face!.

[abirken]

Hehe, I guess I should clarify a couple things just a little. He's not agrressive, he won't attack or something like that. Just for some reason when infants or small children come up to him and start pulling his ears or pinching him is when he gets aggro. You know how little kids are, then aren't exactly "nice" when playing. In my opinion a dog should not growl or bark, even when being "abused" (for lack of a better word) by an infant. I'm sure the baby probably pulled his ear too hard or did something to instigate the bad feelings in the first place. But I would rather have a dog that "yelps" ouch instead of a dog that "growls" GTF away from me you little *&#$@%^.
:haha:

I was actually thinking an older couple would be good too. As long as the grandkids are older there would be no troubles. Maybe 10 was a little old. My nephew is 7 and they get along perfect. But for sure no one under 5. Infants who aren't exactly "nice" is what need to stay way from him. But if they were to visit, just put him in the backyard or his kennel. That's what we do.

And lastly snow is not a dealbreaker, he just can't go out in it. But that's pretty much true for all little dogs under 10 lbs I would guess. He's 11 lbs, but it's all his length. He's a low rider for sure.

I guess I will try the want ads, if you guys have any other ideas on where I could find him a good home, I'm totally open to advice. My last resort would be like a no kill animal shelter. I'm sure he'll get snatched up pretty quick being such a rare purebred. No one can resist the face!.


If I were closer, I'd come meet him. But considering the reason why I am getting my carpets cleaned today (cat pee), it's best I don't take on another animal. My husband would then seriously consider divorce court. It's like ALISONS WILD KINGDOM in my house. :roflol:

[abirken]

This is why I can't have another feathered or furry family member:

[KapitanSparrow]

What's the relationship between your cats and birdies? My cats want to kill anything that flies. I mean I can't say what would happen if it came down to fighting a pigeon face to face but flies and other bugs stand no chance.

[abirken]

My kitties are terrified of the birds. The claws and beaks are quite scarey. HAHA!!! But my birds are the funniest family members I own. When I open the oven door, my African Grey mimics the fire alarm!! It's hilarious.

[KapitanSparrow]

My kitties are terrified of the birds. The claws and beaks are quite scarey. HAHA!!! But my birds are the funniest family members I own. When I open the oven door, my African Grey mimics the fire alarm!! It's hilarious.

Get it on video!

[BruteForce]

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Poor guy trying to sell his little weaner dog and suddenly pics of birds and cats!

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[KapitanSparrow]

I'd love to help out and offer him a home but:

I know weiner dogs very well - my mom has one;

The little guy would have a bad time in my apt with only balcony to hang out on. Plus I don't think I can have more than 2 pets ;-(

[abirken]

sorry wasn't trying to hijack the thread. just an honest explaination of why i can't take the little dexter. i prob should have shrunk the photos down a bit.
Dexter sure cute though! i really think a nice older couple would be best. :) with wooden floors. :lol8:

[Rev. Coyote]

In my opinion a dog should not growl or bark, even when being "abused" (for lack of a better word) by an infant. I'm sure the baby probably pulled his ear too hard or did something to instigate the bad feelings in the first place. But I would rather have a dog that "yelps" ouch instead of a dog that "growls" GTF away from me you little *&#$@%^.

I hope you won't take any of my following comments too personally, but the above statement is unrealistic. Any dog pushed to the point of pain will defend itself, as well it should. The result with a kid should be that the kid learns a valuable lesson about respect and compassion. I learned it as a little kid when one of my grandfather's hunting dogs bit the snot out of me. I deserved it because I pushed the dog beyond her limit.

Fundamentally, I believe you're missing on the training detail. Pummeling a dog, yelling, asking your child to sit on it, and ESPECIALLY "time-out" won't do a bit of good and may actually exacerbate issues. I know it sounds silly, but "the Dog Whisperer" understands behavior training in dogs as well as anyone I've seen. I was glad to see his show come on, because I've used those techniques many years doing rehab work with abused and abandoned dogs.

Simply, you need to establish your position as pack leader (to use Milan's term). When the dog growls, bites, or threatens without legitimate provocation, he is trying to take the pack leader position. This must be addressed immediately in the moment, but without violence or angry outbursts. You roll the dog on his back, and hold him down gently but firmly with nothing more than your index finger or thumb between the trachea and the mass of tendons to the side of the trachea. Hold him there until he goes completely submissive. You may have to repeat this a number of times until he understands his role in your pack.

Speak directly to the dog and keep a tight rein. Don't even let him enter a room in front of you.

I can tell, however, you are wanting to get rid of this guy. Might be for the better, but if you're going to have dogs -- any dogs -- you really need to understand your pack leader role. Once you get the hang of it, you can literally work with any dog. I only know this because I've had the opportunity to work this way one-on-one with dozens of dogs over the years.

If you want to discuss this further in personal messages or a phone call, that would be fine with me. And watch that show! It's great.

[BruteForce]

In my opinion a dog should not growl or bark, even when being "abused" (for lack of a better word) by an infant. I'm sure the baby probably pulled his ear too hard or did something to instigate the bad feelings in the first place. But I would rather have a dog that "yelps" ouch instead of a dog that "growls" GTF away from me you little *&#$@%^.

I hope you won't take any of my following comments too personally, but the above statement is unrealistic. Any dog pushed to the point of pain will defend itself, as well it should. The result with a kid should be that the kid learns a valuable lesson about respect and compassion. I learned it as a little kid when one of my grandfather's hunting dogs bit the snot out of me. I deserved it because I pushed the dog beyond her limit.

Fundamentally, I believe you're missing on the training detail. Pummeling a dog, yelling, asking your child to sit on it, and ESPECIALLY "time-out" won't do a bit of good and may actually exacerbate issues. I know it sounds silly, but "the Dog Whisperer" understands behavior training in dogs as well as anyone I've seen. I was glad to see his show come on, because I've used those techniques many years doing rehab work with abused and abandoned dogs.

Simply, you need to establish your position as pack leader (to use Milan's term). When the dog growls, bites, or threatens without legitimate provocation, he is trying to take the pack leader position. This must be addressed immediately in the moment, but without violence or angry outbursts. You roll the dog on his back, and hold him down gently but firmly with nothing more than your index finger or thumb between the trachea and the mass of tendons to the side of the trachea. Hold him there until he goes completely submissive. You may have to repeat this a number of times until he understands his role in your pack.

Speak directly to the dog and keep a tight rein. Don't even let him enter a room in front of you.

I can tell, however, you are wanting to get rid of this guy. Might be for the better, but if you're going to have dogs -- any dogs -- you really need to understand your pack leader role. Once you get the hang of it, you can literally work with any dog. I only know this because I've had the opportunity to work this way one-on-one with dozens of dogs over the years.

If you want to discuss this further in personal messages or a phone call, that would be fine with me. And watch that show! It's great.

Concur on everything (except I haven't seen the Dog Whisperer).

I have two large dogs and it didn't take much to establish myself as the pack leader. As odd as it may sound, the following tricks have worked for all my dogs:

- Be kind, do pet it occasionally
- Sit on it, in a mounted type position (without actually applying your weight)
- If it attempts to be dominate, bite (gently) it on the ear or neck
- Use the same commands to indicate bad behavior, good behavior, etc. (I just say "NO!: Or "Good Boy") While the animal doesn't understand the words, they eventually associate the behavior with the sounds.

[KapitanSparrow]

That's some nice insight on dog training Rev. Do you think it would work on cats? They also must have some sort of alpha, beta, etc. system. How do I get them to stop waking me up before the alarm clock goes off? Can I teach them to understand that I'm hungry too when I come home from work and stop them from screaming for chow? Heh.

[Rev. Coyote]

That's some nice insight on dog training Rev. Do you think it would work on cats? They also must have some sort of alpha, beta, etc. system. How do I get them to stop waking me up before the alarm clock goes off? Can I teach them to understand that I'm hungry too when I come home from work and stop the from screaming for chow? Heh.

Cats don't listen. One cat is a pack. An army of one.

[Deathcricket]

I hope you won't take any of my following comments too personally, but the above statement is unrealistic. Any dog pushed to the point of pain will defend itself, as well it should. The result with a kid should be that the kid learns a valuable lesson about respect and compassion. I learned it as a little kid when one of my grandfather's hunting dogs bit the snot out of me. I deserved it because I pushed the dog beyond her limit.

Fundamentally, I believe you're missing on the training detail. Pummeling a dog, yelling, asking your child to sit on it, and ESPECIALLY "time-out" won't do a bit of good and may actually exacerbate issues. I know it sounds silly, but "the Dog Whisperer" understands behavior training in dogs as well as anyone I've seen. I was glad to see his show come on, because I've used those techniques many years doing rehab work with abused and abandoned dogs.

Simply, you need to establish your position as pack leader (to use Milan's term). When the dog growls, bites, or threatens without legitimate provocation, he is trying to take the pack leader position. This must be addressed immediately in the moment, but without violence or angry outbursts. You roll the dog on his back, and hold him down gently but firmly with nothing more than your index finger or thumb between the trachea and the mass of tendons to the side of the trachea. Hold him there until he goes completely submissive. You may have to repeat this a number of times until he understands his role in your pack.

Speak directly to the dog and keep a tight rein. Don't even let him enter a room in front of you.

I can tell, however, you are wanting to get rid of this guy. Might be for the better, but if you're going to have dogs -- any dogs -- you really need to understand your pack leader role. Once you get the hang of it, you can literally work with any dog. I only know this because I've had the opportunity to work this way one-on-one with dozens of dogs over the years.

If you want to discuss this further in personal messages or a phone call, that would be fine with me. And watch that show! It's great.

First, I totally appreciate the advice and completely agree. A lot of these issues I can take the blame for. But let me explain a little more and perhaps we're on the same page? I also watch the dog whisperer and it has changed the way I deal with my dogs in the last couple years. I love that guy and everything he stands for. I even own one of his books.

Second you'll see (in the pic) I also own a Jack Russell this dog is very headstrong and super active. Maybe a little tornado is a good way to describe him. So when I raised him it was with a firm hand. Now I don't hit my dogs, but I do give them small kicks and slaps just like you see on the dog whisperer, so that's what I mean by beating. More like a distraction than an actual spanking, well you've watched the show so you know exactly what I'm saying i dont need to go into detail. But this is a super mellow dog and I probably treated him like the Jack Rusell and am convinced that is why he does the submissiive peeing when people 1st come over. So that is my fault but I've been unsuccessful in bringing his confidence level up.

The dog accepts everyone in the house as master except the baby. Maybe it's because he came last I'm not sure. So I tried having the child sit on him as a domination exercise. Just like your suggestion of using "the claw" technique, until he submits. My child is not even 2 so I'm kind of limited how and what I can do with him. And again the dog accepts everyone else as master so if he was older it wouldnt be an issue. I did actually put him on his back a couple times, that works awesome with my Jack Russell, but Dexter just gets scared and pees all over the place after the 2nd or 3rd time. I've learned he is already a VERY submissive dog and giving strong corrections doesn't work like it would with all the headstrong dogs you see on Milan's show.

Now, what I do not agree on is that it is ok for a dog to ever bite a human. Not even when provoked by getting their ears pulled or whatever. Dogs have 3 modes right? Fight, flight, and submit. So obviously my dog is not in the right mode with my son, but everyone else on the planet. He still thinks he's the pack leader for my son. I take him for walks everyday and my son in the stroller is always in front. I have my son go out the door first and he goes last. Basically everything you can think of, I've tried. :(

The "time outs" have actually been the most successful. This dog is a total people dog and he loves being around adults. So when he acts bad and I put him by himself for a time it actually does wonders. A couple times he has even come back to the group and sat right next to my son almost saying "hey I understand I have to be next to him if I want to stay with the pack". But it never lasts, the next day he'll be back to growling when my son walks over to him. The best I've been able to achieve is he runs away anytime my son comes near instead of growling. It might also be because he is such a little dog, he fears getting hurt more than lets say, a bigger dog who would be tougher. But sooner or later he will be sleeping and my son will get close, or he will be cornered on the couch and the growling starts again. :(

So basically I've convinced this dog and my son are not compatible. Hopefully I explained it enough, not sure I gave you enough details, but lets just say I have tried dog whisperer techniques and this dog is tooo submissive to adults and just barely not submissive enough to infants. Besides growling at my son (and the peeing for guests which is easily fixed) he's a very good dog though and think he'll be just fine in a house without babies. He definately wants to please and is perfect otherwise. I've tried a bunch of stuff for about 10 months. Letting him go is a hard decision, but I'll make sure to get a more headstrong dog like my Jack that is easier to deal with next time.

This is my Jack over at a friends house with their children, any dog that cant pass this test can't live at our house :(


Edit: I just re-read bruteforce's suggestion. You know, I have not tried biting him on the ear. I'm willing to try anything at this point. Maybe I can get my son to bite him on the ear? :P Of course he wouldnt know when to and when not to, so it probably wouldnt work.