What makes a man or woman attractive?

[tanya]

There are a lot of tests out these days with altered faces. For me on these tests I always choose the male face that is the most masculine. That is what is attractive to me and what I think should be attractive to all females. What I don't understand is why some females go for the less masculine looking face - like Prince, Jackson, etc... I have always said I like the big ugly types. That would be the more masculine --- more cave man looking -- more natural --- ! It's not the more model looking type at all, but the ones that are as far from what I would consider feminine as possible.

I have always wondered why some men try and look feminine? Is it to attract those types of women who do not want the more masculine type of man? Why else would a man wear jewelry, earrings, wear their hair so styled instead of a shorter more masculine cut, etc... I know the trend today is to get men to wear pink, to embrace their more feminine side and such, but why!!!!! Do women really want this?

On the other side of the coin, why do women try and look masculine? What is 'looking masculine?' I detest long fingernails, overly painted faces, lipstick, tons of jewelry, plastic surgery and fancy clothes. Does this make me less feminine than those that wear and do those things? Is the athletic woman who is toned and muscular more feminine than women who look nice (and lacking lots of muscle) but use artificial things like high heels and clothes to give a desired appearance? Do men really get into skinny women with fake breasts and nose jobs or does it not matter as long as the woman looks good in the end?

If a man is large, tall and or muscular are they more comfortable with an athletic woman? Are shorter, unfit, skinny or fat men intimidated by those kind of women and thus look for something who is less threatening to them? Do some women want big strong men because they feel less feminine and thus try and find the most extreme male types they can? Thoughts?

Or is it none of that and how a woman or man acts that matters?
A Face Test
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/faceperception1
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More...
What makes a man attractive according to science
Curiously enough, there seems to be emerging a single standard of beauty for men today: a hypermasculine, muscled, powerfully shaped body--the Soloflex man. It's an open question whether that standard will become as punishing for men as has women's superthin standard.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=35038


What makes a woman attractive according to science
Previously, waist-to-hip ratio was thought of as the attraction factor - but these researchers conclude that "BMI is even more critical, accounting for 75 per cent of body attractiveness." What's more being over this figure is "more attractive" than being under.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2004/02/04/ecnbeauty04.xml

[Iceaxe]

All of the above. :2thumbs:

I just like women. :ahh:

[tanya]

We already know that you are attacted to just about anything :roll: female....


..So ladies.....


Does that make Shane much less attractive to you? :twisted:


For me it does. I like men that are far more selective and go for exactly what they want. :haha:

[R]

There are lots of beautiful women in the world, and I'll probably never tire of watching them - it's fun and harmless. But the thing I find most attractive and compelling about the woman I love is that Abby looks and sounds and smells like home to me. I was thinking about that this morning after my alarm had gone off and I hit the snooze button so I could have nine more minutes in her arms - that there was no other place that I would rather be. It's a mystery of human chemistry, but it is what it is. She is home.

[tanya]

Speaking of men's hair....

I went up to Cirrus's hotel room one night to say hi quickly since we had never met... he had not showered yet and looked HOT!!! His hair was a mess and he had been out hiking for days.

http://bogley.com/forum/images/avatars/924794783478999a43c07f.jpg

I left, went to belly dance. Then came back to again say hi for a few minutes and he had showered and combed it. Dang! I really liked the natural look. :naughty:

Alex has a very masculine hair cut. I love it! He also has that neanderthal type of face. (which is odd since modern man in not related to neanderthal but women love that look?)

Sombeech and Kevin also have that same type of face. Justin use to have that same sort of cut and it looked masculine. That masculine look goes a long way!

http://utahbp.com/albums/ww/IMGP0237.sized.jpg

[accadacca]

Would be hard for me to vote on ONE of those options only. It's a combination of things. For me I married my best friend. Of course she is hot and I was very attracted to her, but not just her body. Sure any guy likes a hot looking girl, but that is lust, not love. It wears off after like what 30 seconds. :lol8: A strong healthy friendship/partnership can last forever. :2thumbs:

[CarpeyBiggs]

neanderthal? is that a compliment?

[tanya]

Would be hard for me to vote on ONE of those options only. It's a combination of things. For me I married my best friend. Of course she is hot and I was very attracted to her, but not just her body. Sure any guy likes a hot looking girl, but that is lust, not love. It wears off after like what 30 seconds. :lol8: A strong healthy friendship/partnership can last forever. :2thumbs:


I know most of you are young and thinking wife, family, kids -- this is forever. But - consider! Right now you are in your child making phase of life! What you are chosing is a mother and a companion for life.

Now think.... you are a little older. All your kids are raised. Your wife is gone.

What do you want in a woman --- ! This has nothing at all to do with kids or staying with her for the rest of your life so personalities have to mesh and all that.

What really is attractive to you. There is usually something that you look for beyond all other things and even if you go out and have sex that lust goes away quickly when it's not there. Some men have a foot fetish, other have ... whatever, but there is usually something.

[accadacca]

BTW. . .nice ad at the bottom. :roflol:

[tanya]

neanderthal? is that a compliment?


Oh YEAH! And I did think of you when I said it. :naughty:

[tanya]

There are lots of beautiful women in the world, and I'll probably never tire of watching them - it's fun and harmless. But the thing I find most attractive and compelling about the woman I love is that Abby looks and sounds and smells like home to me. I was thinking about that this morning after my alarm had gone off and I hit the snooze button so I could have nine more minutes in her arms - that there was no other place that I would rather be. It's a mystery of human chemistry, but it is what it is. She is home.


But if she were gone. What would you look for in another woman?

[tanya]

All of the above. :2thumbs:

I just like women. :ahh:


Even you must look for a certain things that make you go WOW! --- when other women just make you go... oh wow!

[Iceaxe]

Even you must look for a certain things that make you go WOW! --- when other women just make you go... oh wow!

We talking short term as in "gosh, I'd like to lay on top of you and gaze into your eyes".... or we talking long term as in "gosh, can we go this again and again and again"?

Different things about different women trip my trigger.... but honestly, if a woman expects to go long term with me she had better be blessed with a great sense of humor, a laid back personality and a party on attitude.

I'm young for my age, or that just may be a case of chronic immaturity... I can't say for sure.

:smoking:

[R]

There are lots of beautiful women in the world, and I'll probably never tire of watching them - it's fun and harmless. But the thing I find most attractive and compelling about the woman I love is that Abby looks and sounds and smells like home to me. I was thinking about that this morning after my alarm had gone off and I hit the snooze button so I could have nine more minutes in her arms - that there was no other place that I would rather be. It's a mystery of human chemistry, but it is what it is. She is home.


But if she were gone. What would you look for in another woman?

It is painful to think about Abby being gone. Often I can't. I guess I will just cross that bridge if I ever come to it.

To help answer your question about attractiveness, though, I guess you could say that I look for the following: bright, intelligent eyes; soft-looking hair, long or short; soft, slender hands and feet; fair skin (usually); an honest smile that comes as much from the eyes as the mouth; a neck that has a certain kissable look. Those are all visual cues - almost immediately I start listening, since looks are only the surface. I listen for intelligent, independent thought, ideas that make sense, humour that makes me laugh. And of course I discard all of that if she isn't interested in me.

Abby has all that, of course. And more. Much of how she attracts me is ethereal, ineffable, even mysterious.

[tanya]

Even you must look for a certain things that make you go WOW! --- when other women just make you go... oh wow!

We talking short term as in "gosh, I'd like to lay on top of you and gaze into your eyes".... or we talking long term as in "gosh, can we go this again and again and again"?

Different things about different women trip my trigger.... but honestly, if a woman expects to go long term with me she had better be blessed with a great sense of humor, a laid back personality and a party on attitude.

I'm young for my age, or that just may be a case of chronic immaturity... I can't say for sure.

:smoking:

I have always wondered what makes you tick and wondered is your comments on the net are just that or if its the real you. It seems to be the real you.

I would not say you are immature or young for your age.

You are different from many in here I am sure. You married a stripper and brag about it and I can't see you spending your Sunday's in church and reading the bible at night. It's all about what makes us happy and you do what makes you happy just like others do. There is nothing wrong with that! You seem to be a happy man. :)


As for what you like in women it seems clear that you just like most attractive women and most of all a woman that not only lets you do what you enjoy but joins you in doing it most of the time.

Did I get that all right or am I off base?

[tanya]

It is painful to think about Abby being gone. Often I can't. I guess I will just cross that bridge if I ever come to it.

To help answer your question about attractiveness, though, I guess you could say that I look for the following: bright, intelligent eyes; soft-looking hair, long or short; soft, slender hands and feet; fair skin (usually); an honest smile that comes as much from the eyes as the mouth; a neck that has a certain kissable look. Those are all visual cues - almost immediately I start listening, since looks are only the surface. I listen for intelligent, independent thought, ideas that make sense, humour that makes me laugh. And of course I discard all of that if she isn't interested in me.

Abby has all that, of course. And more. Much of how she attracts me is ethereal, ineffable, even mysterious.

So like most of us, you like someone that appears similar to yourself.

[R]

So like most of us, you like someone that appears similar to yourself.

Well, not exactly. Abby was not the first woman I loved deeply. The others didn't look like Abby at all, but had those same characteristics. For example, when I say "bright, intelligent eyes," I don't mean blue or green eyes, but eyes that are expressive and convey the light that is inside.

K: from the late 1980s, she had super-dark hair and wore glasses. Tall like Abby, but bigger-boned, of Czech stock.

P: in 1992 I was crazy for her for a while. She was a quarter Cherokee, so she was dark-complexioned, and was tiny in stature, just 5' 2" and might have weighed 100 pounds soaking wet.

M: by 1997, I was seeing her. She was also small, but a little rounder. She had really dark hair too, and pearl-black eyes.

You've all seen pictures of my wife, and she doesn't look much like these women from my past. Maybe the most attractive thing about my wife, even from before we were dating, was the way we looked at each other. There is some kind of communication that goes beyond conversation or physical features that calls each other to us.

[Iceaxe]

You are different from many in here I am sure. You married a stripper and brag about it

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

My wife was not really a stripper..... but what makes my wife special is she will laugh her ass off when I show this to her.

My wife was a sweet, young, innocent thing until she met me and I corropted her.


Did I get that all right or am I off base?

You are so far off base it's hilarious.... you are not even in the correct zip code. :lol8:

You will never understand.... it's a guy thing....

:five:

[tanya]

The men I have been with over the years do not look alike either, but they all have that one thing in common.... they have a VERY masculine appearance. They have been various sizes, heights, musculature, but all very masculine. So... at least for me there is one thing that all men that I have found very attractive have in common.

I guess though that it's not the same with others.

[tanya]

You are different from many in here I am sure. You married a stripper and brag about it

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

My wife was not really a stripper..... but what makes my wife special is she will laugh her ass off when I show this to her.

My wife was a sweet, young, innocent thing until she met me and I corropted her.


Did I get that all right or am I off base?

You are so far off base it's hilarious.... you are not even in the correct zip code. :lol8:

You will never understand.... it's a guy thing....

:five:


Why can't a woman understand men? Tell me how it really is then.

[accadacca]

You mean to tell me that people are not always the same in person compared to the interwebs? Preposterous. . . :nono: :haha:

[tanya]

I think on the net we actually say a lot more about ourselves than we do to those around us. I can't imagine the locals ladies here knowing anything about me at all! --- but those in this group actually know quite a bit.

I use to talk on messenger A LOT! --- and told people more than I have ever told anyone.

But I agree with what you are saying too --- people on the net are not only the person that they want to project but they are also the person that we feel they are projecting. It's an odd place to be!

You and Justin, however, were exactly like I thought you would be.

By the way... do you know where that 'mugs' thread is?

[R]

You know, Tanya and everybody, I think it would be way cool if Abby and I could meet some of you one of these days. T, if we ever get to Zion, could we come by? Do you think you'd recognize us if we walked in?

(It's easier for you Utahites than for us in the nether regions. I only touch beehive soil two or three times a year.)

[tanya]

Of course you can come by. Just stop at the Thunderbird. Someone there always knows where I am at. I usually post where I am hiking each week too and you are always welcome to join us!

As for knowing you if you walk in.... I am so bad with faces! I can talk to someone for an hour and not know them next time I see them. :mrgreen:

[sparker1]

It's easier to rule out certain characteristics...fat, ugly, stupid, stuck-up, high maintenance, lazy, humorless, unsociable, etc, etc...than to define those that turn me on. I'd say it is a combination of the positives and an absence of the negatives. You're right, Tanya, she has to look good in the end. :bootyshake:

[tanya]

It's easier to rule out certain characteristics...fat, ugly, stupid, stuck-up, high maintenance, lazy, humorless, unsociable, etc, etc...than to define those that turn me on. I'd say it is a combination of the positives and an absence of the negatives. You're right, Tanya, she has to look good in the end. :bootyshake:


Good Point!

But I do like those ugly, unsociable characters. :lol8: I could live without these though: stupid, stuck-up, high maintenance, lazy, humorless



A big bruiser that keeps to himself is rather attractive to me. :mrgreen:

[Cirrus2000]

Hot in my unshowered hiking hair? :oops:

Yup, I'm neanderthal. In fact, I joke about my neanderthal brow frequently! I can see what you mean, Tanya, about the similar neanderthal-esqueness about some of us on here. Alex, 'beech, and yeah, Dan too. Solid strong features, nothing "fine" about them. Your discussion of that type of face cracks me up. And I've been thinking that my hair needs to be more brush-cut than it is - kind of like Alex's in that photo you posted.

By the way, I wonder whether that shot of 'beech with his Jeep is hiding a mullet... :roflol:

About the online personalities vs real life, Tanya and I talked about that a bit when we visited last fall. Tanya was much quieter in real life than I had expected. I only hope I was less of an opinionated asshole than I am on here... :haha:

Richard, I'd say drop by when you're through Mt. Carmel Junction. Tanya's incredibly nice and a pleasure to visit with. And the T-bird Lodge is a lovely place to stay!!! I'll bet that she'd recognize you if you showed up.

[tanya]

Hot in my unshowered hiking hair? :oops:


VERY!

Yup, I'm neanderthal. In fact, I joke about my neanderthal brow frequently! I can see what you mean, Tanya, about the similar neanderthal-esqueness about some of us on here. Alex, 'beech, and yeah, Dan too. Solid strong features, nothing "fine" about them. Your discussion of that type of face cracks me up. And I've been thinking that my hair needs to be more brush-cut than it is - kind of like Alex's in that photo you posted.

Yes, I would LOVE your hair like that!

By the way, I wonder whether that shot of 'beech with his Jeep is hiding a mullet... :roflol:

About the online personalities vs real life, Tanya and I talked about that a bit when we visited last fall. Tanya was much quieter in real life than I had expected. I only hope I was less of an opinionated asshole than I am on here... :haha:

You were great, but we spent little time together. It's sort of scary being in a hotel room alone with a handsome man when your hubby is the GM and has a key to all the rooms . I am quiet. I am more of a touch-er than talker. :lol8:


Richard, I'd say drop by when you're through Mt. Carmel Junction. Tanya's incredibly nice and a pleasure to visit with. And the T-bird Lodge is a lovely place to stay!!! I'll bet that she'd recognize you if you showed up.

[Iceaxe]

It's easier to rule out certain characteristics...fat, ugly, stupid, stuck-up, high maintenance, lazy, humorless, unsociable, etc, etc...

I see you have met my ex-girlfriend..... Crazy Tish the Dish. :lol8:

Well... exceot for the fat and ugly part... One day I'll have to tell the story about Crazy Tish trying to run me down with a car...

:roflol: :roflol:

[tanya]

It's easier to rule out certain characteristics...fat, ugly, stupid, stuck-up, high maintenance, lazy, humorless, unsociable, etc, etc...

I see you have met my ex-girlfriend..... Crazy Tish the Dish. :lol8:

Well... exceot for the fat and ugly part... One day I'll have to tell the story about Crazy Tish trying to run me down with a car...

:roflol: :roflol:


Go ahead... we are listening :nod:

[sparker1]

Crazy Tish trying to run me down with a car...


Depending on her other qualities, it may be worth getting run over. :lol8:

[Iceaxe]

Why can't a woman understand men? Tell me how it really is then.

I want a beer and I want to see something naked....

:five:

[Iceaxe]

Depending on her other qualities, it may be worth getting run over. :lol8:

She had an ass that would bring tears to your eyes..... still not worth it. :lol8:

That chick was a few fries short of a happy meal.

:nod:

[tanya]

Why can't a woman understand men? Tell me how it really is then.

I want a beer and I want to see something naked....

:five:

:roll: Okay .. here is at least half of your wish.

http://www.mattandtandi.com/wedding/crack.jpg

[greyhair biker]

Different attributes are attractive in women for different reasons...dont mean to state the obvious but physical attraction will only get you so far. I love a woman who is not afraid to be herself with you - confident, strong, funny definitely, personable...athletic...a woman who takes care of hersef...all very attractive qualities in the right mix. I have a number of women friends that are very attractive and none of them are even remotely alike. I will say though that the thought of long dark hair, smokey dark eyes and a beautiful smile are wonderful to look at...the smell of freshness in their hair, the natural scent from the back of the ear/neck region...need I go on?? :naughty:

[Iceaxe]

http://www.mattandtandi.com/wedding/crack.jpg

nelsonccc?!!??!!

http://www.bogley.com/forum/files/img_2546__medium_.jpg

[tanya]

I see you have a serious relationship going here. :lol8:

[tanya]

Different attributes are attractive in women for different reasons...dont mean to state the obvious but physical attraction will only get you so far. I love a woman who is not afraid to be herself with you - confident, strong, funny definitely, personable...athletic...a woman who takes care of hersef...all very attractive qualities in the right mix. I have a number of women friends that are very attractive and none of them are even remotely alike. I will say though that the thought of long dark hair, smokey dark eyes and a beautiful smile are wonderful to look at...the smell of freshness in their hair, the natural scent from the back of the ear/neck region...need I go on?? :naughty:

I know your type too. :nod:

http://www.hawaiiweb.com/images/kodak_hula_show10.jpg

[savanna3313]

You will never understand.... it's a guy thing....

:five:



Why can't a woman understand men? Tell me how it really is then.

Girl!! Are you serious??? :haha: I don't think women will ever FULLY understand men anymore than men will ever FULLY understand women. Oh - they say they do, but it's not true. I think the only way women will ever be able to fully understand men is to grow a penis......after all, that's what most men think with anyway. :lol8:

I think I'll pass. :haha:

[greyhair biker]

Different attributes are attractive in women for different reasons...dont mean to state the obvious but physical attraction will only get you so far. I love a woman who is not afraid to be herself with you - confident, strong, funny definitely, personable...athletic...a woman who takes care of hersef...all very attractive qualities in the right mix. I have a number of women friends that are very attractive and none of them are even remotely alike. I will say though that the thought of long dark hair, smokey dark eyes and a beautiful smile are wonderful to look at...the smell of freshness in their hair, the natural scent from the back of the ear/neck region...need I go on?? :naughty:

I know your type too. :nod:

http://www.hawaiiweb.com/images/kodak_hula_show10.jpg

Ahhh...you're not too far off Tanya. :haha: ....in fact, one of my friends is a hula dancer (named Tawny)...yes, beautiful...dark hair, deep pools for eyes...infectious smile. BUT, if I couldnt get to know the personality behind the looks it would be short lived lust. I want to fall in love with a womans' mind. No amount of good looks can cover up a creep for a personality :nod:

[tanya]

You will never understand.... it's a guy thing....

:five:



Why can't a woman understand men? Tell me how it really is then.

Girl!! Are you serious??? :haha: I don't think women will ever FULLY understand men anymore than men will ever FULLY understand women. Oh - they say they do, but it's not true. I think the only way women will ever be able to fully understand men is to grow a penis......after all, that's what most men think with anyway. :lol8:

I think I'll pass. :haha:

I think, as USUAL, you are right on target! :five:

I guess we should just quit trying and just enjoy what they are. :twisted:

[tanya]

Different attributes are attractive in women for different reasons...dont mean to state the obvious but physical attraction will only get you so far. I love a woman who is not afraid to be herself with you - confident, strong, funny definitely, personable...athletic...a woman who takes care of hersef...all very attractive qualities in the right mix. I have a number of women friends that are very attractive and none of them are even remotely alike. I will say though that the thought of long dark hair, smokey dark eyes and a beautiful smile are wonderful to look at...the smell of freshness in their hair, the natural scent from the back of the ear/neck region...need I go on?? :naughty:

I know your type too. :nod:


Ahhh...you're not too far off Tanya. :haha: ....in fact, one of my friends is a hula dancer (named Tawny)...yes, beautiful...dark hair, deep pools for eyes...infectious smile. BUT, if I couldnt get to know the personality behind the looks it would be short lived lust. I want to fall in love with a womans' mind. No amount of good looks can cover up a creep for a personality :nod:

Yet, you fantasize about the islands and women from them all the time. I think --- that is what you really want and you will not be happy until you find one. --- if your wife lets you. :lol8:

[savanna3313]

I think, as USUAL, you are right on target! :five:

I guess we should just quit trying and just enjoy what they are. :twisted :

Agreed. :five:

This thread reminds me of one of my employees from years back. She was a cute little black lady, and was in an abusive on again off again relationship. One day I was standing out there talking with her and my manager (John). She was going on and on about her "man" and how bad he was, etc. John finally asked her why she put up with such nonsense from this jerk of a boyfriend. She got this cute little mischievous look on her face and replied "John.....it's the penis John....it's the penis....womens just gots to have it!" :twisted:

:lol8:

[greyhair biker]

Tawny is young but as you have seen my 'page', you've seen than she is a wonderful person.
BTW, I do more than fantasize about the islands, I am head over heels in love with the islands. In fact, the ONLY reason I dont live there is because I still have boys at home. I just about have property over there now and will eventually live there. Last time I left there I nearly cried and it had little to do with the women there :haha: I will be the first to admit that I truly enjoy being around women, talking to women, having very good friends that are women. I will never appologize for that. side note: if you look on my profile page you'll see a woman on there who goes by 'yeah baby' - she is by far my best friend...and not what you'd classify as 'my type' Ive known her for over 20 years. She has the most beautiful personality and I love her dearly.......then there's 'trudy'...fitness model in California...and an old girlfriend who I went to school with.....neither woman is REMOTELY close to each other in looks :ne_nau:

[Sombeech]

By the way, I wonder whether that shot of 'beech with his Jeep is hiding a mullet... :roflol:

It's a legit haircut in that picture. I shortly got married after that, then grew my hair right back out.

I'll see if I can dig up any of my wedding photos to show what I look like with short hair.

[Randi]

[color=white] I have always said I like the big ugly types. That would be the more masculine --- more cave man looking -- more natural --- ! It's not the more model looking type at all, but the ones that are as far from what I would consider feminine as possible.

I have always wondered why some men try and look feminine? Is it to attract those types of women who do not want the more masculine type of man? Why else would a man wear jewelry, earrings, wear their hair so styled instead of a shorter more masculine cut, etc... I know the trend today is to get men to wear pink, to embrace their more feminine side and such, but why!!!!! Do women really want this?



It all depends on the guy and what type of attraction it is,
but for a romantic attraction, I

[greyhair biker]

...just keep peelng back the layers of us men....each one is more complex than the last :haha: :popcorn: