Don't taze me, bro - video

[Sombeech]

opinions?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v2U1PVHQ5A

[JP]

Opinion to what; the story that happened short time ago or the way this media outlet viewed it?

[stefan]

i don't know about resisting being escorted out of the auditorium. i definitely believe disobedience has its moments, but ...

however, i really don't understand the cops use of force here. was there an initial warning? i know it's become commonplace to escort "problem people" out of speeches/Q&A/panel discussions, before the problem becomes persistent or escalates. but without seeing what happened before it's hard to evaluate.

[CarpeyBiggs]

Yes, there was a warning earlier in his questions, and the kid kept going. He never really wanted an answer, he just kept firing off all sorts of questions one after another. This just shows the last part of the whole scene. I think his questions from the podium lasted about 45 seconds longer than what is showed in this clip, maybe even a bit longer.

[rockgremlin]

The cops should be reprimanded. That's absurd. They could've easily escorted him outside the building, and that's the end of it. But no, they had to take him to the back of the auditorium and create a scene as they cuffed him, threw him to the floor and tazed him. Almost like they were trying to make a statement: If you want to speak out against prominent leaders, you will be subjected to 100,000 volts.

[CarpeyBiggs]

The cops should be reprimanded. That's absurd. They could've easily escorted him outside the building, and that's the end of it. But no, they had to take him to the back of the auditorium and create a scene as they cuffed him, threw him to the floor and tazed him. Almost like they were trying to make a statement: If you want to speak out against prominent leaders, you will be subjected to 100,000 volts.

Perhaps, but you have to agree he was resisting. Right or wrong, he was still resisting, and they were trying to get him out of the room. If he wouldn't have resisted, there would've been no other problems. The tazer? Probably over the line, but I hardly think they were trying to "make a statement." That would imply it was premeditated. It appears to me they just got caught up in the moment. I know you'll probably disagree, but all cops are not necessarily power-hungry chumps.

[rockgremlin]

Ya, you're right about them probably getting caught up in the moment. Tazer guns are pretty fun little items, and when you have some punk kid who just won't obey verbal commands...

I just think the tazer was over the line. In other words, there was ONE kid, and about FIFTEEN cops. 15 cops are physically unable to restrain and remove a kid from a room w/o the use of deadly force? I just don't buy that.

[Jaxx]

That guy was pretty out of control. Who cares what he asked. He was being escorted not "arrested" out of the auditorium. I didn't see any cuffs being put on him.
He overreacted and started going crazy trying to get away from the cops. A normal person would have left without making a scene. My guess is he would have been taken out and told to leave and that would have been the end of it.

It looks like his ego got a little high and he wanted to show his coolness by yelling "what did I do" " why am I being arrested".
I say taser when wanted ask questions later. I hope I never get tasered but I usually don't put myself in those postitions that a cop has to decide to taser me or not. Plus he challenged the college cops, what do you think is going to happen when you challenge a cop that can't make the ranks so he settles for college cop and now has to prove his worth as a "cop". Plus I always love watching taser videos. :2thumbs:

[rockgremlin]

Plus he challenged the college cops, what do you think is going to happen when you challenge a cop that can't make the ranks so he settles for college cop and now has to prove his worth as a "cop".

OMG you hit the nail on the head!! Excellent point!! College cops are the worst!! :roflol: :roflol:

[CarpeyBiggs]

deadly force?

:roflol: It's a tazer. It hurts. It doesn't kill.

[rockgremlin]

It can. What if they shot him in the eye, and they couldn't get it to turn off? :naughty:

[JP]

I just think the tazer was over the line. In other words, there was ONE kid, and about FIFTEEN cops. 15 cops are physically unable to restrain and remove a kid from a room w/o the use of deadly force? I just don't buy that.
One kid and 15, 15 are physically unable, deadly force.

Less people including the escortee will be injured when more people are there to escort the individual out and or arrest him. Police aren't paid to play the role of an Ultimate Fighter. Nor are they there to be injured, strength in numbers. It's easier to restrain someone with more people than by yourself. And you always have to keep in mind that the Po-Po is armed and any attempt to take or take that firearm from him is a case for deadly physical force. Again, everybody is less prone to injury. Hence the inception of the Tazer. Tazers are not "over the line", they are actually quite the opposite. When a person about to be arrested continues to struggle, fight or do whatever they feel it takes to get the Po-Po off of them, the Po-Po can step up the use of force to make that arrest. This leading to the arrestee getting injured and that of the police as well. So, when it escalates and the arrestee continues to be less than compliant with the situation at hand, ZAP, he complies now. Now the Po-Po could easily cuff this individual and nobody gets hurt. The ZAP, it goes away.

[Sombeech]

The dude was an idiot, even though he was questioning Kerry. :haha:

He was clearly resisting

BUT

Affirmative Action has forced the hiring of incapable law enforcement. Now, if you can call Campus Police law enforcement..... but still, if they have a job to do, they have to get people that are capable of that job.

It shouldn't have come to tazing. The "law" enforcement personnel should have been capable of physically subduing the offender and escorting them out.

This clearly shows the lack of skill held by these people, even though I'm not losing any sleep over him getting his due.

[basilone0331]

I think this guy was pulling publicity a stunt and got exactly what he wanted. Apparently several people around at the event said as soon as he was out of sight of cameras he became completely compliant with the officers. Also before he went off on his tirade he asked his friend if they were filming. I think he got what he deserved.

Here is the police report
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/0...ort.072274.pdf

[CarpeyBiggs]

I'd become completely compliant too, after being tazered.

Beech, you really think this is affirmative action's fault? C'mon, the guy was getting rowdy at John Kerry event. This could've happened anywhere, given the circumstances. I'm sure campus police were already more alert, seeing as a "controversial" political official would be speaking. The guy resisted, so they took him down. Why is it that everyone who works for "the man" is incompetent?

I don't see what is so surprising about the whole thing. It is exactly how I would expect it to go down. And what's with this 15 cops nonsense? There was two who escorted him, one of which was a WOMAN. Another officer pulled his gun and pointed it at him. The man was acting unpredictable, so the officers took care of it. The woman then let go and a bigger man came and two of them escorted him down the aisle. Y'all make it sound like 15 dogpiled on him. Two tackled him, then a few more surround the after he was on the ground. The guy start frantically throwing his arms around and trying to get away. Wuddya expect?

[JP]

as soon as he was out of sight of cameras he became completely compliant with the officers
It happened way before he was out of sight of the cameras, it happened the exact time the darts entered his body :haha:


I'd become completely compliant too, after being tazered.

Beech, you really think this is affirmative action's fault? C'mon, the guy was getting rowdy at John Kerry event...

I don't see what is so surprising about the whole thing. It is exactly how I would expect it to go down...
I cannot agree with you anymore with what you have said so far :mrgreen:

[rockgremlin]

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[basilone0331]

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[Sombeech]

Beech, you really think this is affirmative action's fault? C'mon, the guy was getting rowdy at John Kerry event.

I know, the dude's a jackass. I don't feel sorry for him at all. But I was able to observe the panic in the campus police.

We are so afraid to turn down somebody weak for a tough job now, or they may make a movie out of it. Some employers just need to say NO if the applicant is clearly not the right choice.

How short was that chick? She is the type you hear stories of where the gun was ripped out of her hand and used against her.

You just don't hire a computer programmer as a motivational speaker, that's all. We're not all right for any kind of job.

Real police would have the dude in submission and escorted out in a timely manner. No other excessive force would be necessary.

[CarpeyBiggs]

And the final resolution is....

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071030/D8SJHBQ00.html

[JP]

I'm sure he wants no more part of the business end of a Tazer :haha:

[Sombeech]

DON'T SUE ME, BRO!