Spry canyon 8/18/07

[Jaxx]

Me, Chabadiah and our wives headed down to Zion for some canyon fun. We made it to the visitors center in Zion from Orem in 4 hours. We had known that Pinecreek was out of permits so we decided Spry would be a good one. None of us had done Spry before.
We picked up a Keyhole permit for that night just in case. We hadn't had dinner but we decided to hit keyhole anyway. We started from the pull-off toward Keyhole at about 8:30 PM. It was a ton of fun in the dark. We finished up at 10:30 PM and headed to mosquito cove. Hung up our wet gear and went to bed.

We woke up at about 6 am to some sprinkles so we through all our stuff in the car and pulled a tarp over us and went back to sleep. We were worried about the forecast of 40% chance of rain. We woke up at about 7:30 and the clouds were moving pretty fast and didn't look to bad so we thought we would try it out and if it looked scary we could bail.
It took us a couple of hours to get breakfast and put all our gear back together and we were at the Spry trailhead at about 10 am.
I couldn't figure out the terrain from my topo map. I am not very good at reading them in the first place but usually I can make sense of it. This time we hiked up some steep slickrock for about 45 minutes thanks to my superior map reading skills. We ended at a cliff and after some discussion we realized that the river bed at the bottom of the cliff was actually Pine Creek. We had gone up the wrong drainage. I hate to admit it but we did. We hike back down looking for somewhere to make our way into Pine creek. We eventually made it back down to our car and started on the right path at 11 AM. Adding almost a mile to our trip. Note: Just for reference, when pine creek goes under the road the tunnel is big enough to walk through that is how you know you are on the right track. The drainage just up the road to the East has two pipes that drain under the road, that is the wrong one. The guy at ZAC said that there are some owls up that drainage but we saw none.
Our path http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1245379

So now we are sure we are on the right path and everyone is pissed that we just wasted an hour. In all the Beta and guidebooks we read it doesn't mention the difficulty of the climb in, except for one website (climb-utah.com) that mentions 4th class pitches. So I am telling anyone who tries this canyon. Get an early start the 4th class pitches last for about 2 1/2 hours. My wife told me that she would rather do the entry hike to Mystery from weeping rock than do that again. I would disagree with that but that puts the difficulty into perspective.
The hike in the creek bed was shaded and nice. The route up on the slick rock was pretty obvious to us. After we found it we noticed a cairn and were happy that we were on the right track.
I didn't take any pictures of this part of the hike because I was too dillusional from the mass amounts of elevation gain to remember to take a picture for reference. We did not find the petroglyphs.
We got to the top and started our bushwack down into the mouth of Spry. A few clouds started to move in that looked a little hairy but we didn't think they would be a problem. We ate lunch at the first rap and watched the clouds. We felt good about it so I set up the first "rap" with our two 60 m ropes.
The first rappel is more like a walk down a slight slope to a stanky pothole then a small rappel to the bottom into a big stinky pothole. The canyon at this point is pretty wide so we weren't worried about the rain.
We made it to the second rappel and the water looked really gross. Chabadiah and I decided to check out the trail around the pothole. We could see how awesome the small section of narrows was after the rappels so we decided to tell the girls that we couldn't hike around and we had to go in.
The second rap was into a deep and long pothole that ended at a log jam where you set up the third rappel into a cool, almost subway section of very short narrows. The third rap was pretty tricky and required a flip upside down to get over a stuck log.
The fourth rap was kindof weird. The bolts were set up on the opposite wall from where you stand and you have to lean over a drop. I would estimate the drop at about 35 feet. So you have to start the rap on the wall across from you then turn around because that wall ends shortly then it turns to an overhang. It was a fun rappel.
The fifth rap was a really cool one from three bolts into a really dark slot.
The sixth rap was almost immediately after the fifth one. It was from a chokestone into a deep pool then over the edge to another pool. Our 60m rope reached all the way.
The seventh rap was a shorter double rap as well. Down to a knee deep pool then over into another pool.
The Eighth rap was into the stinkiest pool in the whole canyon. I think Chabadia said he got pictures of green bubbles from that pothole. To make it worse it smelled like dead fish. This rap was also a double. Down and then into a narrow spot. Swim to the end of that one and there were anchors for the ninth rap.
The 9th was a cool rappel with a little water running down because of people in the pothole behind you.
At the bottom of the 9th rap there is a large pothole that is very shallow, like ankle deep. I walked to the end of it and noticed a bunch of rope burns over the side. I could not find any anchors. At first I thought to tie the two 60m ropes we had. I didn't think that would be a good pull though. There is a large chunk of rock that was sticking out on the left side that I could see a rope burn on. I was going to set up some webbing for an anchor there but when I climbed to the top of the ledge on the left I notice there was already an anchor about 15 feet to the south on two trees.
The 10th rap puts you into the boulder field. Walking down we made it to the last rap after what felt like an hour. It wasn't really that long until we made it to the 11th and final rap.
We were worried about the time because we rented some wetsuits for the girls and I rented some 5.10's from the Zion Adventure Center. So it made the last little bit of the canyon a semi rush.
The 11th rap was a really fun one. It is an overhang from almost the start. I may west bunnied my backpack and it made a world of difference from other free-hanging raps I have done.
We made it to the road in about 45 minutes and I heard Iceaxe talk about making a sign for hitchhiking. I got my brand new laminated "Next Trailhead" sign out and the first car to pass us stopped.
Chabadiah hitched a ride with the two gypsy girls and brought our car back down. We raced back to the ZAC and made it at about 8:57. We were worried that they wouldn't let us return the stuff since we were supposed to have it back by 8 pm. They were awesome and stayed a little later for us so we didn't have to drive back from Cedar City in the morning, where we had reservations for a hotel. We were too late to play in the pool or hot tub but everyone was happy to have a warm shower and comfy bed that night.
Since renting the 5.10's from ZAC I have decided they are a must have. Can't wait to get me a pair!
Spry was an awesome canyon and worth the entry hike in my opinion. It has a few technical spots that keep you thinking and enough rappels to keep your attention. 10 out of 10 in my book.

Now for the pictures.
Sorry I didn't get any of the 10th or 11th rap. My battery died. Hopefully Chabadiah will have some.

muddy river by misquito cove
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/3muddyriver.jpg

view of Pincreek canyon from top of hike
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/13viewfromtopofpinecreek.jpg

View of Spry from top
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/14Sprycanyonfromtop.jpg

Clouds over Spry
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/23cloudsoverspry.jpg

Steph on first rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/29Stephonfirstrap.jpg

cool cliff after first rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/38Coolcanyoncliff.jpg

Em in pool after second rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/45Eminwatersecondrap.jpg

Steph and Em in subway part after 3rd rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/58EmandStephinsubwayafter3rdrap.jpg

Chad on weird 4th rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/66Chadon4thrap.jpg

View from the 4th rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/67Viewfrom4thrap.jpg

Balancing rock
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/69coolbalancerock.jpg

group at bottom of 5th rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/77ChadEmStephbottomof5thrap.jpg

6th rap anchor
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/86anchorfor6thrap.jpg

Steph on the first part of 6th rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/88Stehon6thrap.jpg

Chad starting second part of 7th rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/89Chadon7thrap.jpg

Steph on 9th rap
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/94Stephon9thrap.jpg

[Jaxx]

I forgot to put that Chabadiah and I didn't wear wetsuits and the girls wore farmer jons with jackets. It got alittle chilly when the sun went down but other than that I was fine.

[AFI]

Nice! Looks fun

[Scott Card]

Very nice. Thanks for posting.

[oldno7]

nice TR

I got this one booked for Oct. :2thumbs:

[Jaxx]

nice TR

I got this one booked for Oct. :2thumbs:

I'm jealous I want to go back already.

[chabidiah]

This trip was definitely a good one and now that I have gotten home and rested I would agree that I am ready to return. :five:

[accadacca]

That looks like a fun canyon. Nice fotos! :five:

[ratagonia]

So now we are sure we are on the right path and everyone is pissed that we just wasted an hour. In all the Beta and guidebooks we read it doesn't mention the difficulty of the climb in, except for one website (climb-utah.com) that mentions 4th class pitches. So I am telling anyone who tries this canyon. Get an early start the 4th class pitches last for about 2 1/2 hours. My wife told me that she would rather do the entry hike to Mystery from weeping rock than do that again. I would disagree with that but that puts the difficulty into perspective.


Uh? Huh? "Exit the bed of the canyon left up a 4th class slickrock watercourse..." "Climb the center of the bowl (4th class)..." (page 173, Zion:Canyoneering). The climb to the pass usually takes about 1 hour. Which way did YOU go? Perhaps you'd like to buy a guidebook.

Finding cairns does not mean you are on the right path. People who are lost also build cairns.

Tom

[Iceaxe]

The climb to the pass usually takes about 1 hour. Which way did YOU go?

Jaxx posted his GPS bread crumbs here
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1245379

Which I think is pretty cool.... easy to see where they lost 1.5 hours.

We always joke when we see a cairn.... "Oh look, somebody else is also lost". :haha:

[Jaxx]

Uh? Huh? "Exit the bed of the canyon left up a 4th class slickrock watercourse..." "Climb the center of the bowl (4th class)..." (page 173, Zion:Canyoneering). The climb to the pass usually takes about 1 hour. Which way did YOU go? Perhaps you'd like to buy a guidebook.

Finding cairns does not mean you are on the right path. People who are lost also build cairns.

Tom

I should mention that we only had one guidebook and it wasn't yours or Shane's. Sorry, I didn't mean to be negative toward your book, indirectly. We did buy your book when we picked up permits but we didn't really read it in detail. I had already had another book and we read a bunch of beta so we figured we kindof knew. Mostly it was online stuff that I was referring to and I'm not sure why but we didn't read on canyoneering usa, now I know why we went wrong, we didnt read any of your stuff. :roflol:

Mabey we are just slow hikers. It would be appreciated if you check out our path and let me know where we went wrong. Here is the link http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1245379
I definitely want to do this canyon again, and if we took the wrong way I would love to be corrected.

Thanks

[Jaxx]

after looking at the map on canyoneeringusa.com and climb-utah.com I have decided that we started up the slick rock sooner than normal. We had hiked for about 20 minutes in the wash so we figured it must be the spot. We were probably walking a little slower than normal since we had already been up the wrong drainage.
Well atleast we built some extra character that trip. On top of taking the wrong drainage we started up the rock too soon, I need to take a map reading class :haha:

[Brian in SLC]

The climb to the pass usually takes about 1 hour. Which way did YOU go?
Jaxx posted his GPS bread crumbs here
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1245379
Which I think is pretty cool.... easy to see where they lost 1.5 hours.

Wow, holy technology batman, that IS really cool.

From my hazy memory (and notes posted below from when Tom, downtown Mel Brown and I did this rig back in December 2000), you mighta coulda gone a tech more north (and just slightly west). Seems like we ended up descending right below Twin Bro, and down climbed into a slot that ran right into the canyon and to the first rap.

-Brian in SLC

From my TR:

After passing through the Zion-Mount Carmel tunnel, we parked the car at a small pull out just east of the bridge over Pine Creek on Route 9. At 10:00am, we followed a faint trail on the east side of the Pine Creek drainage and dropped off the side of the bridge into the sandy stream course. Looking back downstream, we marveled at the old bridge, an intact, beautiful span of hewn sandstone blocks. We followed the Pine Creek drainage, due north, for 20 minutes until a sandstone ramp appeared on the left (west). Just upstream, the drainage looked blocked and scratchy and this sandstone ramp, guarded by a large pine tree with three flat rocks at its base, appears as the easiest escape option to the pass at the head of our intended descent. This ramp is steep enough to require light fingertips for balance but is mostly steep hiking. We took care to ensure we had good footing on this exposed ramp.

Hiking and scrambling up fun, slickrock bowls and ramps, we arrived at the pass at the head of the descent canyon at 11:00am. From this location, the canyon below runs due east between the Twin Brothers and the East Temple. We hiked around to the right to near the head of a small slot coming in from the north. Finding an easy down climb, we descended into the small slot and followed it to the flat, sandy head of the main canyon. Hiking a short distance down stream, we arrived at the first long, low angle rappel at 11:30am.

[Scott Card]

People who are lost also build cairns.

Tom

:roflol: :roflol: Ain't that the truth. Oh, and the guide book is great.

[chabidiah]

Maybe in the guide books where it reads "4th class slick rock", it should have a side note that says(4th class slick rock aka: "Backside of Hell") All in all the beta we had was good, we just didn't expect to be climbing that slick rock in the hottest part of the day. Which I'm sure made a big difference in the amount of time it took us to get to the ridge. But I bought Tom's book at ZAC and read it all the way home. I thought it was interesting how he had accident reports in the back of the book. It's crazy what a danger inexperience can be in the canyons.
We are talking about taking a trip down Kolob Creek next year, looks awesome. I would love to read some TR's if anyone has the energy to send me the links, I'm really lazy....

[chabidiah]

Just a few more pics

[chabidiah]

I posted those bass ackwards but you get the jist

[Jaxx]

here is a video of Chabadia and I jumping in on of the potholes. I have the red shirt on

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/th_MOV00526.jpg (http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/jaxpb03/Spry/?action=view&current=MOV00526.flv)

[oldno7]

So your car to car time was about 9hrs?

[Jaxx]

yep 9 hrs. Others have said that we could have shaved off an hour on the approach if we went the right way. There are some semi technical double raps in there that took a little extra time. there are also 11 or so raps and 3 or 4 of them are doubles.
Also, we hiked up to the upper parking lot at the end, not down to the pinecreek TH one to hitch our ride.

[ratagonia]

Maybe in the guide books where it reads "4th class slick rock", it should have a side note that says(4th class slick rock aka: "Backside of Hell") All in all the beta we had was good, we just didn't expect to be climbing that slick rock in the hottest part of the day. Which I'm sure made a big difference in the amount of time it took us to get to the ridge. But I bought Tom's book at ZAC and read it all the way home. I thought it was interesting how he had accident reports in the back of the book. It's crazy what a danger inexperience can be in the canyons.
We are talking about taking a trip down Kolob Creek next year, looks awesome. I would love to read some TR's if anyone has the energy to send me the links, I'm really lazy....

Actually, I would say that the beta you had was not so good. You got lost following it, ipso facto, ta da, whatever!

"Best done in spring or fall, or with an early start in summer".

Ummmm, how do I say this politely. Ummmm, wait, which forum am I on? OK, no need. If'n you don't want to make the back of the second edition, you might want to develop some more skills before tackling something substantial like Kolob.

My first reaction to your trip report is: Great Pictures!, lots of water! Looks like you had lots of fun. But you also rapped a couple spots where it is easier to downclimb, took a really long time, and missed a couple of tricks. (Although, admittedly, *tricks* are my forte, and with 10+ trips through Spry, I know ALL the tricks).

So, just some friendly advice. Spry is a nice, easy, half-day canyon. When it is a nice, easy, half-day canyon for you, then you might be up for a full-day canyon like Kolob. I know you already know this, but working your way through the easy stuff to develop your skills is a good idea. Jumping into the bigees because you want them really bad - not a good idea.

Tom

[ratagonia]

yep 9 hrs. Others have said that we could have shaved off an hour on the approach if we went the right way. There are some semi technical double raps in there that took a little extra time. there are also 11 or so raps and 3 or 4 of them are doubles.
Also, we hiked up to the upper parking lot at the end, not down to the pinecreek TH one to hitch our ride.

Longest rap other than the first is the last, at about 95 feet.

Total rap count "usual route" is 10. From the pictures, looks like you rapped two additional places.

Not to say you should not have. You should do what is appropriate for your group, and what is appropriate for your skills and basically any way you want to just because you want to. Free country, all that (though the canyon will cost you a couple bucks).

Tom

[alusul]

Here's hoping we can legally descend kolob sometime soon

[chabidiah]

Wow, friendly group eh? Whatever... :blahblah:

[chabidiah]

:ne_nau:

[chabidiah]

beta was good! map reading skills...not so good. plus we thought we spotted the trail head the night before in the dark. thought it would save time in the morning. :nono: I guess it was not such a good idea.. live and learn... :mrgreen:

[Brian in SLC]

So, just some friendly advice. Spry is a nice, easy, half-day canyon. When it is a nice, easy, half-day canyon for you, then you might be up for a full-day canyon like Kolob. I know you already know this, but working your way through the easy stuff to develop your skills is a good idea. Jumping into the bigees because you want them really bad - not a good idea.

Good advice.

But, 9 hours, car to car, with a larger group? That's not terrible. Two extra rappels? Ehhh, I dunno.

When Tom and I (and Mel, our savior that trip on a chilly december day, as he was the only one with any cold water protection: dry suit) did Spry, onsite, so to speak, we were 7 hours car to car with a hiking diversion at the end of the trip. So, really only about 5.5 hours to the last rappel finish. And, was significant ice on the first rappel that took us some time to negotiate. Can't recall exactly how much beta we had, but, I don't think any of us had done it before. We had word-of-mouth beta? Something along those lines. And we rappelled 10 times.

Being climbers, we kinda nailed the approach, but, weren't going to be denied if it got a bit harder either. For most non climbers, 4th class should be hard, especially to down climb. Heck, it is for me usually.

We rappelled 180 feet on the first rappel to avoid ice in the potholes.

Balance of the rappels were all single rope (single 60m). 90 feet the longest.

So, I dunno. How does one decide when one is ready for stepping it up? Kolob isn't that hard a canyon in "easy" conditions (ie, low flow, long day light, no wierd conditions requiring extra effort). Much longer cold water exposure. And, depending on how you exit, a loooong day (or two full days) either way (MIA or the beauty of hiking out the bottom to the Temple of S.).

One thing about Kolob...it'd be much harder in the dark. So, moving slow isn't optimal in that canyon. If you did get benighted, then, you'd just get that much slower, and, because your in the water so much, colder too. Kolob tends to be a canyon where you want to err on the side of caution and stack the deck in your favor. Get a really early start. Move efficiently and quickly. And, try to go as light as possible (ie, trim the overnight gear to the essentials. Maybe leave those three pairs of blue jeans home this trip).

Anyhoo, some thoughts...

-Brian in SLC

[Jaxx]

Actually, I would say that the beta you had was not so good. You got lost following it, ipso facto, ta da, whatever!

"Best done in spring or fall, or with an early start in summer".

Ummmm, how do I say this politely. Ummmm, wait, which forum am I on? OK, no need. If'n you don't want to make the back of the second edition, you might want to develop some more skills before tackling something substantial like Kolob.

My first reaction to your trip report is: Great Pictures!, lots of water! Looks like you had lots of fun. But you also rapped a couple spots where it is easier to downclimb, took a really long time, and missed a couple of tricks. (Although, admittedly, *tricks* are my forte, and with 10+ trips through Spry, I know ALL the tricks).

So, just some friendly advice. Spry is a nice, easy, half-day canyon. When it is a nice, easy, half-day canyon for you, then you might be up for a full-day canyon like Kolob. I know you already know this, but working your way through the easy stuff to develop your skills is a good idea. Jumping into the bigees because you want them really bad - not a good idea.

Tom

I dont pretend to be a canyon pro. I will openly admit that I am a noob. Spry was my 5th canyon.
I should point out that we take our time on purpose through the canyons. Stopping to take pictures, a really long lunch, enjoy the scenery, etc.

Chabadiah is defininetly a better climber than I am. I remember a couple spots that we talked about down climbing but decided to rap because we couldn't spot our wives because of the height or water being at the bottom and floating while spotting doesn't work to well. That doesn't mean that I think I am a good down climber. I need to work on, well everything.

I was told from a little bird that it took you 8 hours to get through the canyon with the group this person was in. I guess a big difference is made by what the group consists of.

I suppose if Chabadiah and I went we could probably do it faster. Me being the one to slow him down, but again I don't like to rush in canyons. I only get to do a few might as well make a day out of it.

All in all we had an awesome trip. I do appreciate your input and criticism, there may be better ways for you to express it but to each his own. I am a big boy I can handle it. I know I need it.
I would love to go through some canyons with you and learn your tricks some day. Actually there are quite a few people on here that I would love to meet in person and learn from them. Most of the people on here to be honest. And if anyone wants to point out a few things we could change then post up or PM me, I would love to hear it.

[Brian in SLC]

And if anyone wants to point out a few things we could change then post up or PM me, I would love to hear it.

Well, ok them. Kinda fun. Neat that you invite comments. Take them with a grain.


We woke up at about 6 am to some sprinkles so we through all our stuff in the car and pulled a tarp over us and went back to sleep. We were worried about the forecast of 40% chance of rain.

I guess I'm pretty conservative. That might be too much of a forecast for me to go down a technical slot canyon. That said, you guys watched the weather and whether you knew it or not, that canyon doesn't have a huge drainage system way out of view (or, way upstream). So, if you had to roll the dice on the weather, its not a bad row to hoe.


It took us a couple of hours to get breakfast and put all our gear back together and we were at the Spry trailhead at about 10 am.

Bit late for a start on a new canyon (ok, same time as us and with more daylight, so, pot-kettle-black!).


I couldn't figure out the terrain from my topo map. I am not very good at reading them in the first place but usually I can make sense of it.

My opinion, and, I'm not a map readin' expert, but, the terrain for Spry is really simple as far as topo maps and navigating go. I'd highly suggest a tad more map work, or, finding someone who can mentor you a tad and show you features, map, features, ect. Some more experience. Its fun!


We eventually made it back down to our car and started on the right path at 11 AM.

This is most unmale-esque and might get you barred from some he-man type clubs. But...wow, great decision. I hardly ever go back to the start, but, stubbornly charge ahead. Kudos.


Get an early start the 4th class pitches last for about 2 1/2 hours.

The 4th class seemed pretty short to me. Everyone in the group should feel comfy on this terrain. Mighta takin' some unnessessary risk with downclimbing the center of the bowl. I kinda wonder what the "penalty points" were. What if...someone had fallen? Did you guys anchor and belay people? Maybe something to consider.


After we found it we noticed a cairn and were happy that we were on the right track.

Can mean the opposite. As pointed out earlier in this thread.


We ate lunch at the first rap and watched the clouds. We felt good about it so I set up the first "rap" with our two 60 m ropes.

Yeah, but. Always a tough call. I got nailed the other night (on Devil's Castle here in the Wasatch) thinkin' the clouds were going to miss me. Nah, didn't. Pretty hard to accurately predict especially from in a canyon, methinks. I'm a worry wart when it comes to flash floods, and, microburst type activity can be swift, severe and come out of no where. Convervative approach means sometimes making the decision to go another day.


At the bottom of the 9th rap there is a large pothole that is very shallow, like ankle deep. I walked to the end of it and noticed a bunch of rope burns over the side. I could not find any anchors. At first I thought to tie the two 60m ropes we had. I didn't think that would be a good pull though. There is a large chunk of rock that was sticking out on the left side that I could see a rope burn on. I was going to set up some webbing for an anchor there but when I climbed to the top of the ledge on the left I notice there was already an anchor about 15 feet to the south on two trees.

Good work. I like having a good idear where the next rappel is before I finish the one I'm at, but, you did good finding the anchor. I think sometimes folks get in trouble when they set their own anchors, as, a bunch of "stuff" can start going wrong. Uhhh, like Employee (aka Lodge) Canyon, right next door. Missing a rap anchor there might be fatal (and has been in the past).


We raced back to the ZAC and made it at about 8:57.

Kind of a late finish and not much margin for error. Earlier start, and, if you need to reload and loose some time, sometimes its better to bail and do it the next day (or trip) than try to finish. Coming out in the dark is much more risky, especially finishing on a loose, steep slope where its hard to see rockfall, etc.

Couple of other comments from looking quickly at some of the pictures.

How much emergency or standard gear do you guys each carry on your harnesses when you're rappelling? I didn't see much. Could you stop in mid rappel and rig for ascent, if need be? Could you anchor in to the next anchor if required? As a standard, I always carry a set of Prusik loops, and several shoulder length slings and a few carabiners on my harness, at the ready, able to grab them with either hand. Also, an extra rap device in the group is a good idear. Anyone have a knife stowed on their person? Also, where was the position of the spare (backup) rope compared to the team position? Always ready to help, or, down first (or second) where its not as deployable in an emergency?

Looked like a great trip. Thanks for opening up for discussion and criticism. Take 'er with a grain of sand(stone) and make it fun.

Cheers!

-Brian in SLC

[Jaxx]

Thanks Brian.

The late start had us a little worried as well. We planned on waking up at about 6 am but since it was raining with 40% rain in the forcast we weren't to hopefull about doing the canyon that day. We woke up about an hour later and we had blue skies. perfectly clear. I have to admit, I am glad we slept in, since we did Keyhole late the night before and got to sleep around 1 am I was happy to have the extra hour.

We planned on having all our gear ready to get a quick start but since doing keyhole we wanted to dry out everything that we could.

I usually do pretty well with topo maps. When we went in the wrong drain I just had a map of the pine creek area. That is why I couldn't find it on my map. I should have gotten out my big National Geographic map from the start, live and learn. That is why it took us so long on the hike in, I think we should have stayed in the creek bed a little longer, now I know.

The 4th class pitches weren't really a scary problem. We didn't deploy any ropes on the way up, none of us were worried about it. Do people usually tie together or something like that on the way up?


My wife and I always carry 2 prussic loops on us they are hanging on our harnesses. I usually have a sling or two as well but I just had the one on me that I was using to hook to anchors. Chabadiah and his wife had knives on their harnesses. We all had an extra biner or two with us. I usually carry more on me but didn't this time. Because of your recommendation I always will now, plus it looks cooler.

We usually had the second rope (me) in the back, but a few times we did have one rope in front of us while others were rapping. I didn't think about needing a second rope at the top. I was just usually last and Chabadiah used his rope and I had mine on me. We are lucky we didn't need it and I was at the bottom. I will be more aware of that now. Thanks again.

[rockgremlin]

Wow, friendly group eh? Whatever... :blahblah:


Don't mind the ratagonia...he's done everything in Zion backwards and with his eyes closed....not to mention Heaps + Imlay in less than 24 hours. He's a walking Zion encyclopedia...he gives good advice, but admittedly can come across callous at times. Don't take it personal - we've all borne the brunt of his axe at some point...it's almost like initiation.

[Scott Card]

Wow, friendly group eh? Whatever... :blahblah:


Don't mind the ratagonia...he's done everything in Zion backwards and with his eyes closed....not to mention Heaps + Imlay in less than 24 hours. He's a walking Zion encyclopedia...he gives good advice, but admittedly can come across callous at times. Don't take it personal - we've all borne the brunt of his axe at some point...it's almost like initiation.
Yep. I got e-smacked twice in one day from two different posts by the emperor. Except I never got free gear... dang. :haha: Tom knows his stuff. Just swallow a bit of male ego and you really can learn from what he is saying. :2thumbs:

[chabidiah]

Well, at least we didn't get our ropes stuck... could have been worse :haha:

[ratagonia]

But, 9 hours, car to car, with a larger group? That's not terrible. Two extra rappels? Ehhh, I dunno.

When Tom and I (and Mel, our savior that trip on a chilly december day, as he was the only one with any cold water protection: dry suit) did Spry, onsite, so to speak, we were 7 hours car to car with a hiking diversion at the end of the trip. So, really only about 5.5 hours to the last rappel finish. And, was significant ice on the first rappel that took us some time to negotiate. Can't recall exactly how much beta we had, but, I don't think any of us had done it before. We had word-of-mouth beta? Something along those lines. And we rappelled 10 times.

Being climbers, we kinda nailed the approach, but, weren't going to be denied if it got a bit harder either. For most non climbers, 4th class should be hard, especially to down climb. Heck, it is for me usually.

We rappelled 180 feet on the first rappel to avoid ice in the potholes.

Balance of the rappels were all single rope (single 60m). 90 feet the longest.

-Brian in SLC

For our trip, I had done it once before, in mid-summer, a couple years prior. So, Yeah, I had done it ONCE, but with my memory, that's pretty close to on-sight.

Our first rap was the same as usual first rap these days, with is 180'. If you rap 165' you are at the other edge of that second pothole.

Was I in a surly mood or what?

Tom

[ratagonia]

Wow, friendly group eh? Whatever... :blahblah:

Don't mind the ratagonia...he's done everything in Zion backwards and with his eyes closed....not to mention Heaps + Imlay in less than 24 hours. He's a walking Zion encyclopedia...he gives good advice, but admittedly can come across callous at times. Don't take it personal - we've all borne the brunt of his axe at some point...it's almost like initiation.

Yeah, yeah. Thanks, I guess. I also get cranky once in a while.

The main point I was TRYING to make is, Spry is a great canyon, but it is not particularly long or difficult. If'n you worked hard to get through it in 9 hrs car to car, then you need to work on skills and proficiency before stepping up to bigger projects like Kolob.

And thanks, Brian, for taking this poorly prepared noob through Kolob. We had a great time, and I learned a lot (like, a "shortee", even two of them, is not the same as a "wetsuit").

Tom

[Chungy22]

that is pretty funny because I got Esmacked from Tom on my first post as well. It was a little different because well you can just look it up under "Wayne County Search and Rescue", but I very much appreciate being helped out by the seniors on here! I really look forward to going through some canyons with the veterans of bogley!! Thank you to everyone who posts and helps the noobs get there baring. I really love reading about all of the cool canyons that everyone has done and I really like the criticism that we all get. It is pretty hard to take it sometimes because of that dang male-ego, but I really do appreciate it. THANKS :nod:

[Chungy22]

I didn't even mention the trip report! Thanks Jaxx that was an awesome TR! I love reading your TRs because they are always so detailed and give you a very good image of what is happening. That sounds like a really good canyon for noobs....... I will have to go in there and take my wife too!!

[ratagonia]

worth a read again? :naughty:

[Jaxx]

worth a read again? :naughty:

Since you posed that as a question, I will answer. No.

[Felicia]

Since you posed that as a question, I will answer. No.

Actually, I did re-read and it was worth it. Of course being trapped in the car for five hours is motivating.

:-)

[Felicia]

People who are lost also build cairns.

Tom

Love this as we say it all the time.