the Most Intense Tattoo You'll Ever See (pic)

[accadacca]

http://data.tumblr.com/7678724_500.jpg

[RugerShooter]

Why would you do someting like that to yourself

[R]

I guess he decided at some point that he wanted to be unemployed for the rest of his life. :roflol:

[sparker1]

Some people care so little for themselves they commit suicide, or do this. I'm not sure which is worse.

[hank moon]

that's an AWESOME "tattoo"! Thanks for posting. Doesn't look permanent, though. Bet it's mostly facepaint. Incredible work, though...

[James_B_Wads2000]

I guess he decided at some point that he wanted to be unemployed for the rest of his life. :roflol:

Or he will be saying, "thanks for calling, how can I offer you excellent service today," into a phone for the rest of his career.

James

[JP]

I guess he decided at some point that he wanted to be unemployed for the rest of his life. :roflol:
That was a definite thought that sailed through my head :nod:



I'm not sure which is worse.
They're both permanent, but I guess if you were no longer here, nobody else can go through the pain of looking at ya :haha:

[hank moon]

I guess he decided at some point that he wanted to be unemployed for the rest of his life. :roflol:

Or he will be saying, "thanks for calling, how can I offer you excellent service today," into a phone for the rest of his career.

James


or...maybe he wants to be a tattoo artist. maybe he doesn't want to be a member of the 'The Matrix' human battery bank...

Anyway, I wonder what Acca's motivation was for posting this photo. To generate a chain of narrow-minded ridicule for a total stranger?

Acca, why did you post that photo?

[KillEmAll]

or...maybe he wants to be a tattoo artist. maybe he doesn't want to be a member of the 'The Matrix' human battery bank...

Anyway, I wonder what Acca's motivation was for posting this photo. To generate a chain of narrow-minded ridicule for a total stranger?

Acca, why did you post that photo?

Wow, thank heavens we have you around here to set us all straight. You really taught us all a valuable lesson about how it's bad to make fun of people that do really stupid things to themselves, when all they really want is to be the center of attention. Shame on us. From now on I vote hank our moral compass.

BTW, I didn't know acca had to answer to anyone 'round here.

[hank moon]

simmer down killemall and you will at least have the opportunity to realize

- i'm simply stating my opinion
- i'm only asking acca a question
- you're coming off defensive
- might ask yourself why that is...

:2thumbs:

p.s. thanks for the vote. don't know what to think...but at least i got voted in for something - if merely a compass...

[KillEmAll]

simmer down killemall and you will at least have the opportunity to realize

- i'm simply stating my opinion
- i'm only asking acca a question
- you're coming off defensive
- might ask yourself why that is...

:2thumbs:

p.s. thanks for the vote. don't know what to think...but at least i got voted in for something - if merely a compass...

what's your point? other than trolling. I already knew the answer to everything you posted. Just stating my opinion as well. I should know better than to feed the troll.

:2thumbs: :2thumbs:

[sparker1]

narrow-minded ridicule for a total stranger?


Hank, you sound a little defensive yourself. Don't tell me you have a similar tattoo. In any case, whether I'm narrow minded or not, I do honestly believe that fella is looking for ways to express his lack of concern for what anyone else thinks, as well as a remarkable absence of self-respect.

[hank moon]

simmer down killemall and you will at least have the opportunity to realize

- i'm simply stating my opinion
- i'm only asking acca a question
- you're coming off defensive
- might ask yourself why that is...

:2thumbs:

p.s. thanks for the vote. don't know what to think...but at least i got voted in for something - if merely a compass...

what's your point? other than trolling. I already knew the answer to everything you posted. Just stating my opinion as well. I should know better than to feed the troll.

:2thumbs: :2thumbs:


d'oh! i need to go see the simpson's movie, I guess. but, before I do, I think it is useful to state my definition(s) of a troll

Troll level 1: an insincere post, made for the purpose of sparking discussion. i.e. devil's advocate. A Troll level 1 post is made w/o any revelation of the poster's motive (e.g. "im just playing devil's lawyer here..."). When a pot-stirrer reveals his motivation up front, he is automatically exempt from troll status for that post.

Troll level 2: the level 1 Troll continues to post insincerely (within the same thread as the level 1 post) rather than engage with the discussion by revealing motive and dropping the troll mask. If a level 2 troll maintains consistency within his insincerity, he remains at level 2. However, if the insincerity decays into hypocrisy and self-contradiction, he morphs into...dum dum dummmm!

Level 3 troll - the most feared and despised of BBS monsters. Basically a sociopathic personality who gets off on conflict without ever expressing balance, acknowledging the validity of alternative views, etc. This type of troll is all too common on many BBS. Fortunately, they usually don't last very long...

[accadacca]

It was innocent I promise, just showing a pic I found in cyberspace. Anyone should know that there is never a heavy meaning to my posts, just a fun loving guy. Am I a troll now? :lol8:

[RugerShooter]

I smell a troll in this thread, don't you :ne_nau:

[stefan]

hmm ... i'm smellin' a little joe mccarthy of late :ne_nau:

[stefan]

i am guessing we need a trollfest thread ... you know, just to get anyone's rampant desire to paint people as trolls on this forum out of the system

[hank moon]

It was innocent I promise, just showing a pic I found in cyberspace. Anyone should know that there is never a heavy meaning to my posts, just a fun loving guy. Am I a troll now? :lol8:


Accadacca, you're waaaaay too obviously fun-oriented to ever be a troll. I figured you just thought it was a cool shot of a more-cool tattoo and decided to share it. I do that all the time.

[accadacca]

Accadacca, you're waaaaay too obviously fun-oriented to ever be a troll.
Fo sho! :hippy: :lol8:

[hank moon]

I smell a troll in this thread, don't you :ne_nau:

Hello davis_b_1

If you haven't read my TrollDefs (above), might be good to do so before reading any further. I am not a troll. That's why I put the defs up there - to make it clear (or clear-er) what I'm talking about when using "Troll."

You must have a differing conception of a troll b/c I'm here to tell you that all of my posts are as sincere as can be. i don't troll without saying that I'm trolling - or at least owning up to it when called out. So that's to say, yeah, I've done some trollin' in my day <ahep>

sure have.

But I haven't trolled at all in this thread. So, if I have been trolling by your reckoning, would you mind sharing your trollish viewpoint with me and the board?

would sho' be nahzzz...

hank "the boring troll" moon

P.S. Further proof that I am not a troll: wasn't this post rather dry and boring? If I were a troll, It'd be more fun.

[donny h]

the Most Intense Tattoo You'll Ever See

I saw this guy once, he's pretty intense.

The Enigma

[hank moon]

I saw this guy once, he's pretty intense.

ha! reminds me of "satan/im a writer" in Tenacious D's "Tribute" HBO special!

a must see...

[gonzo]

That first dude must looove The Misfits.

[JP]

I'm here to tell you that all of my posts are as sincere as can be
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[hank moon]

I'm here to tell you that all of my posts are as sincere as can be
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Might have to devise a new "troll level" for this one. Intent unclear - mild personal attack/ridicule likely - nothing else visible in there. Hmmm.

Could fit TL1 except it may be sincere. I'd give it a TL1- for questionable sincerity.

Clarification forthcoming?

[JP]

Might have to devise a new "troll level" for this one. Intent unclear - mild personal attack/ridicule likely - nothing else visible in there. Hmmm.
Intent unclear, oh easy there Hank the Angry Troll, mild personal attack :ne_nau:
This mild personal attack/ridicule likely should make it perfectly clear.



What crimes has he committed?

Among others, allowing you to post here. Where's his homeland security goons when you need 'em? :ne_nau:

Please Mr. Angry Troll, let's stop throwing stones at glass houses. If you cannot take what you dish out without getting angry, you might want to refrain from such activities.

[hank moon]

it's apples and oranges, JP.

Mine was not an attack - it was intended to be a joke at your expense and its absurdity made that obvious.

Yours, OTOH, seems to be directly ridiculing something I had said w/o explanation. yours is murky and not so obviously a joke. so, was it a joke? others put "j/k" when the intent is inclear - might i suggest you begin doing this when tossing murk?

Also, please stop calling me names. I've already explained why I am not a troll, yet you persist in calling me one. An angry one at that. Do you think that I am angry? If so, why? Please explain.

After I replied to your repeated "what are Bush's crimes" posts over at the impeachment corner, you suddenly fell silent. Was there too much content in the reply? Too little? All you wanted was to "force" me to post something first? If so, you are the winner, JP. What is your prize?

If I am WOB (way off base), please explain. It is frustrating to try to communicate with you via quips and smilies. I am wondering:

1. are you a troll?
2. are you capable of communicating in writing with constructive intent?
3. what do you "get" from posting name-calling, ASSumptions, etc?
4. Is it fair to say that "keep 'em guessing" often fuels your post content?
5. Are you a bit ADHD?
6. Do you post from a work environment where brevity is necessary?

Would love to hear something of substance - come back? You may decide to follow old habit and toss a quip, smiley, or name back, but wouldnt' that be a yawner?

[RugerShooter]

I smell a troll in this thread, don't you :ne_nau:

Hello davis_b_1

If you haven't read my TrollDefs (above), might be good to do so before reading any further. I am not a troll. That's why I put the defs up there - to make it clear (or clear-er) what I'm talking about when using "Troll."

You must have a differing conception of a troll b/c I'm here to tell you that all of my posts are as sincere as can be. i don't troll without saying that I'm trolling - or at least owning up to it when called out. So that's to say, yeah, I've done some trollin' in my day <ahep>

sure have.

But I haven't trolled at all in this thread. So, if I have been trolling by your reckoning, would you mind sharing your trollish viewpoint with me and the board?

would sho' be nahzzz...

hank "the boring troll" moon

P.S. Further proof that I am not a troll: wasn't this post rather dry and boring? If I were a troll, It'd be more fun.


Hank the comment I took as a Trolling comment was when you called everyone narrow-minded. If that's not trolling I don't know what is

[hank moon]

Hank the comment I took as a Trolling comment was when you called everyone narrow-minded. If that's not trolling I don't know what is

Hi davis_b_1

Thanks for the clarification - i now have a slightly better idea of what you think is "trollish" but far from a complete picture. To me, "trollish" implies insincerety. As I sincerely believe that "narrow-minded" was an appropriate descriptor of the post content (see below for more), I was not being insincere and hence not trollish. Please continue to refine your definition of "trollish" so we know what is being said when the word is used.

I see a distinction between "trolling" and characterizing the posting dynamic as I see it. The latter was my purpose with the "narrow minded" comment. Perhaps the choice of words was a bit inflammatory. Prior to my post, it seemed the post dynamics were focused exclusively on dissing the tattoo guy. I did not see any other viewpoint expressed. That's what I meant by narrow minded. I could have used "unbalanced" to express the same concept. My post was sincere and not a troll by my TrollDefs that I have clearly laid out in this thread. Comment?

[Iceaxe]

Tattoo's are how poor people invest in art.

:popcorn:

[stefan]

as a moderator, i would like to ask folks to refrain from calling other people TROLLS. i do think it constitutes name calling and a personal attack which goes against the rules of this forum.

on another note, since this is something i've seen more than once on this forum, i'd like to point out that Hank didn't specifically call anyone narrow-minded. narrow-minded modifies 'the ridicule' not any person. while i can understand that many might naturally transfer this to the folks who made the comment, assumptions are being made.

what is obvious on this forum is that folks here have their opinions and we are free to express those opinions on this forum. it's commonplace for negative opinions to flow here in relation to media and cyber content ... and ... it's NOT unreasonable to post those opinions NOR is it unreasonable for someone to *challenge* those opinions, if one plays by the forum rules. if things must erupt in the process, let the eruption play by the rules ...

FORUM RULES (http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5004)

[JP]

might i suggest you begin doing this when tossing murk?
Ever use that PM function?

[Jaxx]

WHO CARES IF SOMEONE IS BEING A "TROLL" !1!!1! THAT GUYS TAT IS INTENSE!

Ok I'm done with the yelling. I guess the intensity of the tatoo got to me.

I am going to have to agree with Hank it looks fake, like face paint.

[Scott Card]

I vote for Hank as moral compass. Just have him point me in the right direction and I'll go just we weeee bit to the right. :lol8: (disclaimer... this is intended to be humorous. It is not intended to be a slam in any way on Hank. My experience with Hank is that he is a decent guy. YMMV, this label is only to be removed by the consumer, slippery when wet, fdic insured....etc.)

[RugerShooter]

All I am saying is when somebody posts inflammatory comments I see that as being "Trollish" and it is just an attempt to start a flame war. But this thread is not about Trolls. It is about some guy that is all Tattoo'd up wether fake or real.

[asdf]

OH crap... did I open the canyonerring forum? :roflol:

[Scott Card]

OK, my opinion is that it is the most intense tatoo but it screams out to me, like others have said, "hey, I'm stooopid" or if he wants to be a tatoo artist, "Hey, I'm talented and stooopid"

[hank moon]

All I am saying is when somebody posts inflammatory comments I see that as being "Trollish" and it is just an attempt to start a flame war.

I didn't see my comments as inflammatory (very subjective word, btw) and certainly did not "attempt to start a flame war". And I did not, as you have claimed, call everyone "narrow-minded" As Stefan has pointed out (thank you), the content was described as "narrow-minded," not the people. This distinction is important b/c we all make narrow-minded comments from time to time, yet are not all narrow-minded by nature.

And hey...is this a "PC" issue? If I had said the comments were "lacking in balance" would that have been less inflammatory to you?

[Sombeech]

Serious? Is this thread seriously turning into a debate over this idiot? Really?

So, my freedom to call this guy a loser, is being attacked?

[DaveOU812]

You know Hank, this little argument has caused me to look back on all the posts you've made, and maybe I'm wrong, but most of the posts you have made have been, not necessarily derogitive but causing an argument. Trolling? I don't know. Agrivating? Very.

I agree with the Beech, how dare any one attack my freedom to say this guy is a frickin retard and his breeding lisence should be revoked. :frustrated:

[Mtnman1830]

davis_b_1

http://learning.cc.hccs.edu/Members/cschweitzer/images/troll.jpg

[Sombeech]

davis_b_1

http://learning.cc.hccs.edu/Members/cschweitzer/images/troll.jpg :lol8:

[stefan]

puhlease ... no one's freedom is being attacked here ... catchy buzzword though :haha:

[hank moon]

Serious? Is this thread seriously turning into a debate over this idiot? Really?

So, my freedom to call this guy a loser, is being attacked?

tch. silly silly beech. when have i ever? you guys can spray anything you want. sounds like you're attacking yourselves to me...

I think we're seeing the "PC of the right"

right here on this forum

hee hee....

[hank moon]

Trolling? I don't know. Agrivating? Very.

Truth stings...


I agree with the Beech, how dare any one attack my freedom to say this guy is a frickin retard and his breeding lisence should be revoked. :frustrated:

yowza yowza yowza! got a micro-mass-hysteria going on here. one guy cleverly frames the discussion as an attack on freedoms and

the micro-herd emerges...

watch out! stampede!

beech - y'otta be in politics. you'd be a great bad leader. already got the vader thing n' all... :mrgreen:

heck, i'd even vote for ya. do a better job than most, i reckon. give it some thought.

:popcorn:

[asdf]

I agree with the Beech, how dare any one attack my freedom to say this guy is a frickin retard and his breeding lisence should be revoked. :frustrated:

Humm... pretty rude thing to say about a person that you don't know. Sounds like good old fashioned labeling to me.

[Randi]

http://data.tumblr.com/7678724_500.jpg

Did anyone besides me notice how ***BEAUTIFUL*** his eyes are???? :mrgreen:

[epek]

Nope, I had a hard time looking beyond his acne. No bid deal about this guys tat, I think I am going to not do this to me however. I probably don't need to worry about this guy stealing my Ipod either.

[Jaxx]

I think this sums it up nicely.

[hank moon]

Apart from the obvious, what is the difference between trying to get attention through nutty tats vs. posting stuff on this board?

[Jaxx]

I think the difference is real life/reality and Cyberspace. I guess to some extent they overlap but by typing on here and posting "funny" stuff to get a few laughs ends when I turn my computer off and go back to real life. To me it seems very different.

EDIT: I just re-read your post and I guess I stated the obvious.

Apart from the obvious, what is the difference between trying to get attention through nutty tats vs. posting stuff on this board?

permanence, I'm not usually posting to get attention, I try to do things that respect my body (personal religion coming through) although typing on a forum that doesn't really come into play. Most of all, as I stated before, I can turn this off and go home and leave this all behind. Its not real life to me.

[hank moon]

I'm not usually posting to get attention

Maybe "attention" is not the right word...seems so negative to folks. but don't we all want attention from others?

Ok, instead let's say: don't we all want interaction with others? Isn't that why we are here? I know it is why I am here. I want people to read my posts and respond...up to a point. I am not strongly "invested" in that desire, but it is nice when it happens. Especially nice when the response is positive.

[hank moon]

I'm not usually posting to get attention

Maybe "attention" is not the right word...seems so negative to some folks. but don't we all want attention from others?

Ok, instead let's say: don't we all want interaction with others? Isn't that why we are here? I know it is why I am here. I want people to read my posts and respond...up to a point. I am not strongly "invested" in that desire, but it is nice when it happens. Especially nice when the response is positive.

[asdf]

I found and interview from the Artist that did the tat.

[quote]Disha: Frank, I came across your works when I saw the skull tattoo, inked by you on a guy

[Jaxx]

so it is real...wow

[Randi]

so it is real...wow

That's sad. I wonder how he's gonna feel when (and if) he changes his mind about wanting to look like death incarnate?

Or is he going for "the angel of death" look?
He does have BEAUTIFUL angelic eyes.

Ya gotta wonder what would drive a kid to do something like that?
Self-hatred? Desire to be different? The ultimate in usurping parental control? The shock and awe value?

I think that a person would have to have some extremely serious mental/emotional issues to go that far "outside" of social & societal norms.

My kids went through all kinds of phases with their "desires to be different". From mohawks, to shaved heads, and some pretty far out clothing. A desire to "stand out" and to "belong" are rational parts of being human and finding our way in life.

So even what I didn't condone (I choose my battles wisely), I put up with for the most part. My kids had (& still have) a ton of freedom.

I drew the line at tattoos and piercings however. My rationale was that it's a permanent label, which they may or may not regret once the "fad" is no longer appealing.


This kids desire was obviously to step FAAAAR outside the bounds of conformity, but what his motivation was is anyone

[Iceaxe]

Jenna Jameson and her tattoo's.... talk about the train falling off the track!

http://files.blogter.hu/user_files/22063/kepek/jenna_004.jpg

http://files.blogter.hu/user_files/22063/kepek/jenna_007.jpg

http://files.blogter.hu/user_files/22063/kepek/jenna_009.jpg

[asdf]

so it is real...wow
Or is he going for "the angel of death" look? The Crimson Ghost

Its The Crimson Ghost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crimson_Ghost) The poster for the Max's Kansas City show on 03/28/79 featured the first use of the Crimson Ghost by the band

[fouristhenewone]

I have to say, I think there have been some slightly ridiculous statements from some of you folks. I think that you should all remember that regardless of your speculation and personal opinion, you clearly have no idea what the motivation for this tattoo was. and that's the great thing about free will - we are free to decide for ourselves how we want to present ourselves, what modifications if any we want to make to ourselves, and especially think for ourselves. and yes, I know where this argument leads - back to "if it's free will then I'm free to speak my opinion, and that is that this guy is an idiot."

Fine. But Randi - you said
"Ya gotta wonder what would drive a kid to do something like that? Self-hatred? Desire to be different? The ultimate in usurping parental control? The shock and awe value? "

are those the only choices. just because those are the only things you can imagine, doesn't mean that those are the edges of the world we live in. people may think differently then you, and that's okay too.

Jaxx you said - "I try to do things that respect my body (personal religion coming through)"

Don't bring that into it. Again, you do what you want with your body, I'll do what I want with mine. Your entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean that you have a bead on what's right. it's opinion, and you know what they say about that -everybody's got one, and you know how it smells.

[hank moon]

Poor acccccaaaaaddddddaaaaccaaaaaaa

[Randi]

Fine. But Randi - you said
"Ya gotta wonder what would drive a kid to do something like that? Self-hatred? Desire to be different? The ultimate in usurping parental control? The shock and awe value? "

are those the only choices. just because those are the only things you can imagine, doesn't mean that those are the edges of the world we live in. people may think differently then you, and that's okay too.



Uhhhh...no those aren't the only choices. Why would a short speculative list be indicitive of the "only" reasons I might imagine he did that?

I also said: This kids desire was obviously to step FAAAAR outside the bounds of conformity, but what his motivation was is anyone

[fouristhenewone]

So tell me, would you be OK with it if your kid did this to his face? Maybe even proud of the fact that he had the balls to "think outside the box" or something?

well, to be honest, I'd hope that there would be no box for my child to have to think outside of. I'd be proud of my kid regardless of what kind of tattoo he got, or if he ha none at all. I'd hope that I'd have smart enough children that they could weigh the consequences of their actions and make whatever decision was right for them. and whatever that decision was, if it was well thought out, then certainly I'd be proud of them for making the decision that felt like the right one.

[Jaxx]

He can do whatever he wants, I could care less what he does to his own body. I said that because Hank asked what the difference was between him getting it and me posting on this forum.
I still the he looks like an idiot with a skull tattooed on his face, whatever his reason was. He really limited his choices on a career and ultimately supporting his family, mabey that doesn't matter because he wants to work at a Haunted house all his life, possibility.
From my experience (not personal but with people I've talked to) people usually regret getting tattoos as "kids" that might have meant something then but now it doesn't mean anything anymore. I personally think he looks ridiculous, that is my right just as much as it is his to do it.
You talk about wishing there wasn't a box to live outside of. Sorry but real life comes into play and there is a "box". I wish this kid nothing but the best. I hope he doesn't regret it when trying to explain to his grandkids why he is scary looking.

[Randi]

[quote]So tell me, would you be OK with it if your kid did this to his face? Maybe even proud of the fact that he had the balls to "think outside the box" or something?


well, to be honest, I'd hope that there would be no box for my child to have to think outside of.

In Utopia that might be possible, but every society has social norms or

[fouristhenewone]

you know, Randi, I started to write a long drawn out response to all of this. but ultimately it's not worth it. my point has been made, I said what I had to say. I will give you this piece of advice - when you start to dole out a lecture about the realities of child rearing, don't act like you have the market cornered. I don't take kindly to the way this conversation turned with you. you have no idea who I am, how old I am, how many children I have (in truth, I don't either, I try and make sure no ex-girlfriends track me down :) ). it's likely that my mindset towards raising kids differs wildly from you, and believe me I understand all the risks and consequences that people run into when they make decisions that can come back to bite them. I've made plenty myself.

my whole point here was just to remind y'all that you don't know this guy, so all of your opinions suffer from a lack of information.

oh, and if I see this guy, I'll be sure to pass on that you feel sad for him. I'm sure he'll appreciate that.

[Randi]

you know, Randi, I started to write a long drawn out response to all of this. but ultimately it's not worth it. my point has been made, I said what I had to say. I will give you this piece of advice - when you start to dole out a lecture about the realities of child rearing, don't act like you have the market cornered.

I know that I don

[donny h]

C'mon guys, really? This thread is controversial?

Getting a tatt on your face is a stupid act, it doesn't mean the person is stupid, but it's a foolish thing to do.

I know it. You know it. We all know it. It's always been that way, tatting the face is crossing a line, a big line.

It's a personal choice that an individual is free to make, but you can't be surprised when no one will rent to you, or hire you, and they talk about you like a sideshow freak. It will close more doors than it opens. It's not right or wrong, it's just the way it is.

Tatts on the neck and hands is also crossing a line, but a smaller line.

Getting tatts of the names of girl/boy friends and spouses is also foolish, many do it, and many regret it.

It is what it is.











Tattoo removal will be a multi-billion dollar industry in the coming years, you can bank on that prediction, to bad for this fella they can't use it near the eyes.

[JP]

Nothing wrong not wanting your kid to look like that :nono:

[hank moon]

i know something stupidier than tattoed faces:


persistent self-imposed ignorance

[hank moon]

[quote=Randi]~ Trust me on this, I

[Jaxx]

Just trolling.
do I see bewbs?

http://www.uutah.com/forum/files/250px-lippin_bei_den_sara.jpg

[Randi]

[quote=hank moon][quote=Randi]~ Trust me on this, I

[hank moon]

Doubt it all ya want hank.

i do.

knowing you, if you ever met the guy, you'd prolly engage in conversation, ask about tat history, etc. in short, get to know him a little. once that happened and he's no longer just a disturbing mass of pixels on a little computer screen, it's hard to imagine you'd then bust out with an expression of pity for his "obvious self-hatred."

Pity's generally reserved for those we do not know or respect...

[Randi]

Doubt it all ya want hank.

i do.

knowing you, if you ever met the guy, you'd prolly engage in conversation, ask about tat history, etc. in short, get to know him a little. once that happened and he's no longer just a disturbing mass of pixels on a little computer screen, it's hard to imagine you'd then bust out with an expression of pity for his "obvious self-hatred."

First off - I never said that "self hatred" was obvious. I speculated that a "death face" tatooed over your "regular" face could indicate self loathing (which it could).

And of course I'd engage him in conversation! And of course I'd ask him about his face, and the "why" of it. And yes you're right that I wouldn't just bust out with a "Hey man, do you hate yourself?" remark. But this isn't just any tatoo hank. And the pics you posted don't even come close to a "comparison". Nix the Maori and Burmese pics as those fall well within the bounds of societal acceptance within those cultures. As for the rest of the pics you posted : back and chest tats can be covered, nails can be cut, cowboy hats can be removed, drunk kitties can sober up....

What the kid has done (and he may never have a regret about it) is not undoable without a "face-off" scenerio.

And to each his own. I feel sorry him mainly due to the rejection, ridicule, ect. that he's bound to face for the rest of his days.

So let me pose the same Q to you that I did to Four****....would you condone this kind a tat on your kids face? I mean, if it felt like the right decision to him, would you have any reservations or concerns about it?

~R

[hank moon]

First off - I never said that "self hatred" was obvious.

didn't say you did. dislike that phrase, but seems so appropriate at times.


I wouldn't just bust out with a "Hey man, do you hate yourself?" remark.

so...you'd save it for a parting remark?

"Hey, great meeting you...btw I pity you."

At what point during this imaginary meeting would you tell him about the pity?


And to each his own. I feel sorry him mainly due to the rejection, ridicule, ect. that he's bound to face for the rest of his days.

is that the only scenario you can imagine?


So let me pose the same Q to you that I did to Four****....would you condone this kind a tat on your kids face? I mean, if it felt like the right decision to him, would you have any reservations or concerns about it?

Reality: i don't know...never had any kids.

but in theory, the kid's body is his/her own. tattoos are expensive. I can't see myself funding one w/o some major earning activity on the kid's part...but i wouldn't stand in the way.

[JP]

Reality: i don't know...never had any kids.

but in theory, the kid's body is his/her own. tattoos are expensive. I can't see myself funding one w/o some major earning activity on the kid's part...but i wouldn't stand in the way.
Theory :lol8:

[Randi]

First off - I never said that "self hatred" was obvious.

didn't say you did. dislike that phrase, but seems so appropriate at times.

Well many people do think they hate themselves. And many people do things to

[fouristhenewone]

And to each his own. I feel sorry him mainly due to the rejection, ridicule, ect. that he's bound to face for the rest of his days.

is that the only scenario you can imagine?


[quote]~ No. That

[donny h]

I no longer think this guy is a self-loathing, sad, "stuck in a small box" individual.

Speaking for myself, I think self-loathing is but one of many reasons to tatt up your face, and not all those reasons are negative, so I won't heap all that dogma upon his shoulders for making his choices.

I do think it's a foolish choice to make, though, unless he's a trustafarian who's never gonna leave NY/LA, it will make his life harder, and life is hard enough.

Hypothetical question: With his face, he drives a car from LA to Miami. How much time does he spend on the side of the road talking to cops? The cops may be narrow-minded, but that won't change the fact that he's on the side of the road talking to them. It is what it is.

Life is hard enough.

[fouristhenewone]

Life is hard enough.

agreed. but life is also too short to not do something you'd like to, just because it's unpopular.

[DaveOU812]

Hank...Randi...get a room. Your beating a dead horse here. :deadhorse:

[hank moon]

Hank...Randi...get a room. Your beating a dead horse here. :deadhorse:

ha.

one of my very favorite posts - the guy who posts to tell people to stop posting.

ha.

i guess you're the horse now, boah!

[opskmallory]

Hypothetical question: With his face, he drives a car from LA to Miami. How much time does he spend on the side of the road talking to cops? The cops may be narrow-minded, but that won't change the fact that he's on the side of the road talking to them. It is what it is.



As long as he obeys the traffic laws, his tags are current, and he has no visible equipment violations, the answer is ZERO.

[Randi]

What I was getting at, and I think what Hank is getting at, is that all the scenarios you have mentioned in your posts are negative scenarios. You've not, at least in your posts, left open the possibility that you would walk away from this imaginary conversation going - you know what, I was completely wrong.

~ Well, I certainly can

[donny h]

As long as he obeys the traffic laws, his tags are current, and he has no visible equipment violations, the answer is ZERO.

Seriously? While the majority of traffic stops are about traffic, plenty of people get pulled over based on looks.

Highway patrolman/state troopers all over the country make drug courier profiling stops based solely on appearance, although they're usually careful to find some minor infraction to justify the stop.

Utah does it, every state does it, it's big business.

Then you have the standard prejudices that'll get you pulled over in different parts of the country, especially small towns, like: driving while black, driving while brown, being a teenager, driving a beater car, driving a rental car, having plates from the wrong state on the car, having long hair, and having stickers on your car. (Ohio supreme court upheld stickers as probable cause)

Now I will add having a tattooo of a skull on your face to that list, on his trip from LA to Miami he better drive at night, or he will get a good look at America, while sitting on the side of the road while a cop runs his info, again.

Another way to get pulled over on looks: Some small town store clerks report people passing through they think are suspicious, I recall two cases of that in Utah, Nephi and Fillmore. Skullface there might motivate a nosy clerk to whip out her cell and call her cousin the deputy.

One time I got pulled over based on looks and it was downright funny, I was in Compton, in the hood, in the early a.m., when I got pulled over for being white. The polite deputy explained he was concerned for my safety, and made sure I knew my way to the closest freeway onramp.

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[JP]

some minor infraction to justify the stop.
Sorry Donny, that's all they need. All they need is something minor and they get to pull you over.

As far as getting pulled over, back and forth to Utah from Connecticut. 2200 miles of asphalt one way, 4400 round trip (not to mention the driving around that we do while we're in Utah) and never stopped by a nemesis in blue. Much more for a cop with nothing to do than find something minor to pull us over for, I mean after all, we're towing another vehicle. We've been doing this for a few years now. No, I have no tattoos that grace my face making me a pillar of the community. But, at night, who can tell if I do or do not?

[opskmallory]

[Highway patrolman/state troopers all over the country make drug courier profiling stops based solely on appearance, although they're usually careful to find some minor infraction to justify the stop.

Utah does it, every state does it, it's big business.



You said it yourself.

There are "reasons" for stops, and there are "justifications" for stops. Any of what you described can be reasons, but there has to be a legal justification for the stop to be legit. Cops constantly let people out of their sights, because of lack of justification. It's not worth it to be the subject of a civil rights lawsuit.

Realistically, he might get one or two stops, thanks to Suzy the Storekeep at 7-11, but you can't blame the officer for Suzy's ignorance. He's responding to a call for service and there is a certain expectation that he will act accordingly.

[JP]

thanks to Suzy the Storekeep at 7-11, but you can't blame the officer for Suzy's ignorance. He's responding to a call for service and there is a certain expectation that he will act accordingly.
What if Donny called the police about something that was suspicious and the cops didn't do anything about it? What then?

[donny h]

Donny called the police

I did what now?



That means someone's been killed, or I need a report for my insurance company.

[Jaxx]

this train got derailed :haha:

[Iceaxe]

http://www.yankees2000.com/y2k/uploaded_images/train_wreck-730041.jpg

[JP]

Get the entire quote, it wasn't all that long :haha: